{"id":27583,"date":"2013-06-16T00:21:07","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:21:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27583"},"modified":"2014-04-02T21:48:31","modified_gmt":"2014-04-02T21:48:31","slug":"q779","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27583","title":{"rendered":"Q779 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

This tape was transcribed by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here.<\/a>
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Part I<\/strong><\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> So, uh, (clears throat) what\u2019s Bob Davis, just getting sloppy or\u2013<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> Bob Davis. Is he getting sloppy, or what\u2019s his story?<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> (unintelligible sentences) he didn\u2019t do that growth and tumors, and Saturday, he had growth and tumors mentioned about four times in one testimony.<\/p>\n

Man 1:<\/strong> And he\u2019s aware<\/em> that that\u2019s (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Man 2:<\/strong> Yeah, he\u2019s aware. I just don\u2019t know where his mind is (unintelligible )<\/p>\n

Man 3:<\/strong> He is out of his mind. (pause) (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

(silence for several minutes)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part II (90-second story on letter from Symbionese Liberation Army to KPFA)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Van Amberg:<\/strong> \u2013the new letter, but there had been a lot<\/em> of doubts about it, that there was. NewsScene Jim Vargas has been there working on it all day for us. He\u2019s in the East Bay right now. We\u2019ll get the latest on the situation. Jim? What is the situation on the letter?<\/p>\n

Jim Vargas:<\/strong> Van, just a little while ago, I was told that KPFA radio did not<\/em> receive any communication today from the Symbionese Liberation Army, although since mid-morning, about two dozen newsmen have gathered in front of uh, the Berkeley radio station\u2019s offices under the presumption that something had<\/em> been received. It\u2019s possible<\/em> that a letter approximating an SLA-type communiqu\u00e9 came in today\u2019s mail. KPFA isn\u2019t saying. At any rate, if there was such a similar letter, it proved to be false. A KPFA spokesman told me uh, a little while also that they had received hundreds<\/em> of letters, mostly sympathizing with the Hearst family, some with donations, just like other TV and radio stations have. Everything has been forwarded to Hillsborough.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> All right, Jim, we do know that there had been crank letters. As a matter of fact, uh, we received one here at NewsScene, that the uh, San Francisco Police Department were able to break and find the man responsible for it, so as of this moment, no new letter from the Symbionese Liberation Army. Thank you, Jim.<\/p>\n

Standing by right now at the Hearst home in Burlingame is NewsScene\u2019s John Lester. We understand the Hearsts have just arrived there, and John has a late report on that. John?<\/p>\n

Lester:<\/strong> Van\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> \u2013three. Testing, testing, testing.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part III (5-minute story on psychological profiling of Patty Hearst, unrelated to Peoples Temple)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> \u2013Monterey, and Tideman (phonetic) had these comments on the original Patty Hearst tape. Listen.<\/p>\n

Patricia Hearst:<\/strong> Mom, Dad. I\u2019m okay. (tape edit) I\u2019m\u2013 I had a few scrapes and stuff, but uh, (unintelligible word) washed them up and they\u2019re doing okay, and I caught a cold, but they\u2019re giving me pills for that.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Okay, what do you think of that, Tommy?<\/p>\n

Tom Tideman:<\/strong> Well, I mean, more of\u2013 other than the mom and dad, I\u2019m okay, I\u2019m more interested in the fact that she says that she has received some medication, uh, given some pills for it. Uh\u2013 I would say that she does not<\/em> have a cold. The medication given is probably for the uh, scrapes and bruises she had received originally. Maybe she caught a slight infection, she\u2019s taking an antibiotic.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> What does the cold (unintelligible word)?<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> I uh\u2013 It\u2019s\u2013 Yes, as I said, (unintelligible word) to say, but I\u2013 probably that pertains to the uh, circumstances under which she was kept, possibly in unheated room or a cold place, a barn, warehouse, something like that.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> She might be trying to say something.<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> Uh, it could very well be.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> Uh, she\u2019s not lying, but she\u2019s not telling the truth<\/em>. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> But she is deceiving?<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> She is uh, deceiving, absolutely.<\/p>\n

Patricia:<\/strong> I\u2019m not being starved or beaten or (pause) unnecessarily frightened.<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> Our indications (unintelligible) there, as she said, she\u2019s not being starved. She\u2019s certainly not being (unintelligible word) in the manner in which she\u2019s accustomed. She\u2019s hurting, uh, but nothing stark per se<\/em>. Uh, no, there\u2013 she\u2019s not being beaten, there\u2019s no indication that uh, she\u2019s been physically abused. (Pause) Frightened? Sure, she\u2019s frightened, but this is a\u2013 a normal thing.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Patricia:<\/strong> Uh, I heard some press reports (unintelligible) are okay, that no one was really hurt, and, I also know that the SLA members here are very upset about press distortions, that\u2013<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> I wonder, uh, we got a reaction there. The SLA is certainly disturbed, not<\/em> over press distortions. I have no idea what the disturbed (unintelligible word), it\u2019s not press distortions<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> So she again is\u2013 is\u2013 is not telling the truth.<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> She\u2019s not telling the truth at all. Not on that.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Patricia:<\/strong> What\u2019s been happening, it had nothing to do with the August Seventh Movement (unintelligible)\u2013<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> All right, let\u2019s stop it right there. The August Seventh Movement\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown man: <\/strong>Pretty good.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Very, very good. I would say uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown man: <\/strong>(unintelligible) She doesn\u2019t believe that to be true.<\/p>\n

Tideman:<\/strong> She<\/em> believes that they do have nothing to do with that August Seventh program. It\u2019s a non-stress statement.<\/p>\n

(End of recorded segment)<\/p>\n

Newscaster: <\/strong>And so it went. (unintelligible) said several other statements, uh, including the statement that uh, they were responsible for shooting down a helicopter was not true, and that uh, she seemed to be trying to communicate certain clues<\/em>. But she was not terrified<\/em>, but she was coping with the situation of her captors uh, rather well. Uh, he said a number of other statements are clearly false or misleading, but he feels it\u2019s not in\u2013 in her best interest for our\u2013\u00a0our\u2013\u00a0us to discuss those uh, publicly at this time. We\u2019d like to make clear at this point that Mr. Tideman\u2019s [phonetic] uh, comments are entirely his own opinions, and that we had no reason to either believe or disbelieve uh, the accuracy or the effectiveness of this psychological stress evaluator. I\u2019ve done a little background, uh, and\u2013 and find that it\u2019s in rather common use with the FBI and law enforcement agencies all over the country, and uh, it\u2019s one of those new electronic tools that you either\u2013\u00a0you either trust implicitly or you throw up and say, we just don\u2019t know. And\u2013\u00a0and uh, according to the people who make<\/em> it, uh, uh, the uh, uh, electronic outfit back in Springfield, Virginia, I believe, uh, they say that it\u2019s 99 percent uh, positive, if<\/em> the person really knows tapes or has had to evaluate it. Mr. Tideman took a ten-month course from them, uh, spent ten months learning how to interpret the graphs, so he should know.<\/p>\n

Newscaster 2: <\/strong>Okay, well, he made some uh, statements in there that interest me. He says uh, a non-stress statement uh, they\u2019re looking for something like you\u2019d look<\/em> on a polygraph, it is a\u2013 a lie detector for<\/em> a piece of tape<\/em> that was recorded and uh, as I understand it, they say this is uh, more<\/em> infallible than uh, the lie detector test given on a person because there aren\u2019t the stress points all over the body.<\/p>\n

Newscaster: <\/strong>He said that\u2019s the whole point. He said that the uh\u2013 there is no way that the person can deceive<\/em> this machine. Uh\u2013 He said, for example, I had a brown shirt on. He said if you<\/em> say \u2013 and I did<\/em> \u2013\u00a0(stumbles over words) and he showed me how. I say\u2013\u00a0He said, what color is your shirt<\/em>? And I said brown. And he said, you see? That\u2019s wrong. He said, that\u2019s an untruthful answer, because it\u2019s not brown, it\u2019s brown-and- white.<\/p>\n

Newscaster 2: <\/strong>It\u2019s a check. Right.<\/p>\n

(two men talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Newscaster: <\/strong>It\u2019s that close and uh\u2013 So a lot of people do have faith in the machine, and uh, a lot of people are doing things with it, and we wanted to show you that there were some things said, again as Jerry [Jensen] said, that\u2013 that could not be stated now, uh, from the tapes that he found, but they will go into the hands of the proper authorities.<\/p>\n

Newscaster 2: <\/strong>Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part IV: (4-minute segment)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> The brother of one of the Hearst kidnapping suspects will talk to the mother of the other, and we\u2019ll listen to Patricia Hearst tape as it goes through the psychological stress evaluator. The full story next, right here, on Channel Seven NewsScene.<\/p>\n

(News intro)<\/p>\n

(Unrelated stories, although two on alleged Patty Hearst kidnappers, cut off)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part V: (60-second story on Peoples Temple offer to serve as hostages)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible word) quickly to get this story together. Earlier this week, the Peoples Temple Christian Church of California donated two thousand dollars to the Hearst family. We were there the night that they did it. Tonight<\/em>, the members of the multi-racial congregation are now offering themselves<\/em> as hostages, if and when the SLA demands to leave the country.<\/p>\n

(Several people applaud in room at recording end)<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Their leader is the Reverend Jim Jones, and he talked about it to us.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019re offering to be hostages, if it would serve the purpose to this group. We had done it privately last week to the Hearsts, but somehow it leaked out. We feel that uh, if an interracial group that has great concern for social justice would be willing to serve as hostages, particularly probably when it comes to the time that they\u2019ll want uh, as most revolutionary groups, to be uh, released from the country, we would be glad to serve in that capacity.<\/p>\n

Newscaster:<\/strong> Reverend Jones also told us that the Peoples Temple Christian Church hopes that by speaking out like they\u2019re doing, they\u2019ll influence the SLA now to release Patricia Hearst.<\/p>\n

Lots more coming up on NewsScene. Frank Sinatra\u2019s going to take one more\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape cut off)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part VI: (5-minute story on distribution of food as part of Hearst kidnapping negotiations)<\/strong><\/p>\n

(End of tape)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted January 2013<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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