{"id":27586,"date":"2013-06-16T00:21:10","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:21:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=27586"},"modified":"2019-06-26T16:53:43","modified_gmt":"2019-06-26T23:53:43","slug":"q787","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27586","title":{"rendered":"Q787 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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(Note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Freya Kory. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (starts mid-sentence) \u2013 they got that stuff, junk piled in one\u2013 the, the (stumbles over words) the far end of the piggery, you\u2019ve got stuff just piled in there\u2013 All, all up\u2013 Just looks like somebody throwed junk in that one corner.<\/p>\n

Female Voice: <\/b>Wanda and Eve never been good\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What\u2019s that? Wanda and Eve never been good housekeepers? Well then\u2013 Well, the inspection committee\u2019s gonna have to teach people what good, organized procedure is<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Female Voice: <\/b>It\u2019s true. It\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (too low)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>In the first<\/i> place, you shoulda told me there was no cattle there, and no hogs there. I wouldna have bothered to taken them, because it looked a much<\/i> better from a distance than it did present. And if we hadn\u2019t come back here and had good results in the medical<\/i> field \u2013 and they saw all those Guyanese getting help\u2013 I\u2019da\u2013 I\u2019da\u2013 he\u2019da\u2013 he wasn\u2019t impressed. He was not impressed. I just have to tell it as it is. He was not<\/i> impressed with that piggery.<\/p>\n

Unidentified Male 1: <\/b>The whole point is that sometimes the faster way is\u2013 is more than\u2013 more than\u2013 You know, most<\/i> of the time, the faster way is the\u2013 is the sloppiest<\/i> way, and if people would take time and stack stuff, like she said the wood and everything, and just do everything so it looks right when you get it done the first time, \u2018cause things just get worse, they don\u2019t get better. And I\u2019m sure the place would look a lot better.<\/p>\n

Female voice: <\/b>That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Unidentified Male 1: <\/b>That\u2019s right. You never do<\/i> know when somebody is<\/i> gonna be coming.<\/p>\n

Female voice: <\/b>That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Voice too low to hear beginning of sentence)\u2013 \u2019cause those newsmen, they say they were there on time. That\u2019s a bad thing. You don\u2019t mess with newsmen. You got \u2018em there. You better use the sons of bitches. Although it won\u2019t come out like you said it (sigh)\u2013 Yes, uh, Al\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd:<\/b> (unintelligible comment about \u201cgeneral manager\u201d)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>General manager? (Sighs) He\u2019s uh, he\u2019s in town tryin\u2019 to get us a big naval vessel. I mean a big boat, 350 ton. So in the meantime, he wa\u2013 he, he in\u2013 uh, he wouldn\u2019t have\u2013 it wouldn\u2019t<\/i> have been his responsibility, it uh\u2013 I<\/i> don\u2019t know. I said, I presume<\/i>, it would be Guy\u2019s<\/i> [Guy Mitchell] responsibility. All<\/i> of them. Uh, really<\/i>, it\u2019s all<\/i> of your responsibility. You should all<\/i> take it\u2013 and I\u2019m holdin\u2019 all of you responsible in the future. When you see that thing comin\u2019, if you don\u2019t see the uh, maintenance person, uh, the\u2013 the manager per\u2013 uh, uh, who\u2019s in charge, you\u2013 we will hold all of you responsible. You don\u2019t get that through the channels. And that should come directly to the radio office in the future. People like Christine [Talley]. When you see a mess like that, come right<\/i> to that radio room and say Fa\u2013 Dad\u2013 Father, that is a mess<\/i> down there. Write it up.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>But I mean, bring it to me<\/i>\u2013 Bring it into letter, \u2018cause that\u2013 See, if we woulda had a chance to clean that up\u2013 The pigs<\/i> were swarmin\u2019 with files, inspection\u2013 They shoulda been dug so that the uh, water was not ha\u2013 uh, as muddy and murky as it was on that occasion. There should have been a lot<\/i> of, uh, ins\u2013 uh, killing of flies before<\/i> the Russians got down there. Inspection knew the tour, or they shoulda asked<\/i> about the tour. And, uh, insecticide people should have asked about the tour\u2013 (Pause) It\u2019s all<\/i> your responsibility to be concerned<\/i> about that. Just like when I was faced Sunday night, sitting there at the table, talkin\u2019 to the Russians, on the most sensitive question of all: Why did you come to the United States? And I\u2019m trying to talk for black<\/i> people, (Pause) alienated and how they woulda got into violence and got killed, and I\u2019m talkin\u2019, and there\u2019s nobody there to talk but one<\/i>. That is baaad news. Baaad news. Some of you left me high and dry there, and that was wrong<\/i>. He looked around\u2013 he looked<\/i>, he took a look\u2013 I, I think I came through it reasonably, but he\u2013 he took a look around and he went, what the hell is this, you know.You can just see, he\u2019s a very observant person. I\u2019m trying to tell how black people would\u2019ve been killed in the streets, if they\u2019d have come in there with guns like they\u2019re doin\u2019 and done all these harassing things, that we\u2013 we would have reacted<\/i>, and there would have been a premature<\/i> violence that would have been counter<\/i>-revolutionary because there was no revolutionary ferment<\/i>, there was no revolutionary coalition<\/i>. There was no organization<\/i>. So all<\/i> woulda happened would been bloodbath, and we were probably being set up to create<\/i> that bloodbath. But everybody needs to s\u2013 feel like this place belongs<\/i> to you, \u2018cause I don\u2019t give a damn what they do to me. Not one damn. All I want is the final translation out of this miserable thing called life. But people just go on about your lives like this damn place don\u2019t belong to you, and I\u2019m supposed to keep it. I been keepin\u2019 people for twenty-five years and more. For twenty-eight<\/i> years, since I started the movement, I\u2019ve been keepin\u2019 people fulltime, and that\u2019s why I resent this damn thing as some of you people want to get into these shackin\u2019 situations, and no responsibility. Back to that<\/i> point. I resent it because, you know, if a fuck<\/i> was all that a person needed, I could maintain this organization by goin\u2019 down five\u2013 four hours and I\u2019d have mosta\u2013 of the people fucked<\/i> that needed fucked. But that\u2019s not what people need\u2013 They need s\u2013 they need talk<\/i>, they need counsel<\/i>, they need help<\/i>, they need, uh, someone to hear<\/i> them, to feel<\/i>, to listen<\/i>\u2013<\/p>\n

Female in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2013by God. And uh, then\u2013 then the assistance with children. And I want it very<\/i> understood and clearly<\/i> understood situation on this thing, one time and for all, how we\u2019re going to conduct<\/i> this situation, what<\/i> are the limits of responsibility, who<\/i> (draws out word) is going to be participant there at\u2013 We had a vote, but the vote\u2013 And I think\u2013 A lot of people think you voted against it, and so that gives you [the] right to do what the hell you want<\/i>. We said<\/i> that the majority would rule for six months<\/i>\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>\u2013and all<\/i> people would abide by that majority decision \u2013 I think it was six months \u2013 until it was reviewed.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And so don\u2019t<\/i> try to think just \u2018cause you voted<\/i> against the system \u2013 and a lot of people were not there so we\u2019ll take the vote again<\/i>\u2013 And we want to understand exactly<\/i> what\u2019s gonna happen in a relationship. We\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll<\/i> vote this again. But if the people are going to stay here\u2013 What\u2019s the matter? (speaks to someone off mike, unintelligible) (Back to mike) Yeah, well, I hope they don\u2019t wait there too long, because, uh, those press, that press will leave\u2013 (Pause) The press\u2019 idea?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I don\u2019t know\u2013 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The press\u2019 idea? I want to know if it\u2019s the press\u2019<\/i> idea. It\u2019s not the press\u2019 idea. They\u2019d have busy people. It\u2019s uh, end of the day. Five o\u2019clock\u2013 They ain\u2019t gonna stay\u2013 (Pause) Press Democrat<\/i>. Good. That\u2019s good. They oughta arrive\u2013 (Pause) It\u2019s ridiculous to be constantly besieged with these bastards, and it won\u2019t come out right as it is\u2013 It won\u2019t come out right\u2013 Yes? (Pause) (Resolved tone) All right. I\u2019ve only gone on, it\u2019s about ten minutes. (Pause) If you are having a relationship\u2013 (Pause) Are we living together? If not, if we\u2019re going to have relationships that do not live together, I want clear<\/i> definitions of what those relationships are gonna be. You have a child, you assume responsibility. If you don\u2019t have a child, you get your ass in that nursery. If you\u2019re a male and assume responsibility with children, you wash diapers (Pause) and you deal<\/i> with children. This thing of go\u2013 wantin\u2019 to use people, I wish to hell, you\u2013 you\u2013 this is what it boils down to: A lot of you guys want sex and no<\/i> responsibility.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now, I have never had that opportunity, and I got more sex to deal with than any of you got to deal with. N\u2013 None<\/i> of you have had the problem that I\u2019ve had. I\u2019ve never been able to have sex without responsibility.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What is it? (unintelligible aside) (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It has fallen<\/i> into the Himalaya Mountains and promises to pour radiation debris that they have no way<\/i> to calculate its lethal effect in the Ri\u2013 in the Ganges Ree\u2013 uh, River throughout India, and In\u2013 and all the Ganges River is used for drinking purposes, baptisms, bathing and all sorts of things. And drinking. (Pause) Three quarters of the population, yes, I was getting ready to say\u2013 I didn\u2019t know that exact statistics, so it, uh, was a sensory device to be able to tell what was happening in China, and it was done without the Indian government\u2019s approval<\/i>. And now it\u2019s collapsed and gone into the\u2013 It collapsed in the mountains and promises to \u2013 with the rain, with the melting of the snow \u2013 it said, radiation debris would be pouring into the Ganges River. You can be glad<\/i> that you are where you\u2019re at, and we want work<\/i> to get our people here instead of infighting and shit<\/i>, because it\u2019s gonna be over, friends. It\u2019s gonna be over.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>The Soviet Union today denounced their concept of peaceful detente. They said that it will not\u2013 it has proven since the time of Premier Kresh\u2013 [Nikita] Khrushchev, that it has been unacceptable, said it has opened us to many charges of revisionism<\/i>, but we are now back to the position where we have had to face that you cannot<\/i> deal with capitalism, that the concept of gradualism and that change can come through democracy and that coexistence is possible between capitalism and socialism is in grave dispute<\/i> in the Soviet government. Now, I may be quoting just slightly off, but that\u2019s about it. Now, that\u2019s bad news, too. (Pause) They\u2019re on a war<\/i> footing, honey. Don\u2019t know what the hell\u2019s going to come out of it all but that\u2019s\u2013 I don\u2019t know what else to say in the way of news. There\u2019s so damn much news we just can\u2019t keep up with all of it\u2013<\/p>\n

(Music from another track competes with conversation)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We will make significant impact ourselves, I had an opportunity to do something through this movement in Central America, and within a few days, I ought to be able to tell you something about it.<\/p>\n

(Music stops. Burst of static)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>So we don\u2019t just sit here and idle our\u2013 I\u2019m tired of this idling shit and talkin\u2019 on news so we have, uh, devised certain uh\u2013 certain modus operandi that will hel\u2013 will help liberation in other places, at least to some degree.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>(Light applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Okay. I can\u2019t think of any other damn news that is relevant.<\/p>\n

(Drum\/Latin Music plays on separate track)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Starts in mid-sentence) \u2013these uh, the ca\u2013 The Chinese seg\u2013 sector of the population of general in Vietnam is rebelling against, uh, People\u2019s Republic of China\u2019s renegade foreign policy, and the People\u2019s Republic was forced in Peking to say that they will withdraw from the camp Ho-Chi [phonetic] and uh, the uh, Vietnamese border dispute, but they are demanding that USSR stay out of Vietnam, and does\u2013 the USSR didn\u2019t even respond to them. They said they did not respond to them. But China still got her ass in Somalia, tryin\u2019 to back and further intensify and gave pledges of support to the aggressive, fascist regime of Somalia. Now that\u2019s a strange (draws out word) kind of goddamn communism. I know there\u2019re people here that appreciate communism in Guyana\u2013 in China, but I don\u2019t know how they can appreciate it any further than its domestic effects, because it has been, not<\/i> and\u2013\u00a0lib\u2013 an international communism, it\u2019s been a nationalistic communism. If we<\/i> were here seated<\/i> in this Jonestown community without any<\/i> consideration for the medical people \u2013 and some of you get a little impatient, you\u2019re not friendly, we have forty or fifty people, we don\u2019t know how in the hell we\u2019re going to afford it \u2013 but if you look at those precious, dear people waiting in medical lines, and we didn\u2019t offer them some of our free assistance, I don\u2019t know how we would live<\/i> with ourselves. In spite of those CIA, that element that says in this government that we don\u2019t do it. We go ahead and do it and fuck<\/i> them!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If we<\/i> were to maintain ourselves alone\u2013 certainly you have to de\u2013 defend your base. That was Leninist philosophy. That was his philosophy as opposed to Trotskyite views. [Leon] Trotsky said export revolution before it\u2019s even worked out in the Soviet Union. You\u2019ve got<\/i> to build your own base. You\u2019ve got to deliver your own people, liberate them, sustain them, before you can extend help and assistance for liberation to other quarters<\/i>. But if we<\/i> in this particular time were to cut ourselves from giving assistance, our meals on Sunday, to these precious people who come in from outlaying areas, we would be guilty of the kind of policy that China is following. Although China\u2019s policies of communism is not as pure as ours, because their ruling<\/i> class still have very special interest. They have special uh, facilities, homes and luxuries and uh, travel allowances, that\u2019s something you don\u2019t see me take. If you see me taking any<\/i> privilege, you bring it out here, and I will deal with it. I don\u2019t know what it is\u2013 I don\u2019t know what it is\u2013 I\u2019m just damned near perfect as you can be. I know one thing: I do care and I do get myself involved and I sensitively listen and I don\u2019t follow my ass<\/i>.<\/p>\n

(Music stops)<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I don\u2019t do that. I don\u2019t allow that to happen. And I could<\/i>. That\u2019s what really disturbs me with someone like you. You think \u2018cause you\u2019re young and I\u2019m old, that you\u2013 you\u2013 you\u2019ve got the sex drive. You haven\u2019t got any sex drive, and I keep repeatin\u2019 it. You\u2019ve got<\/i> no sex drive, some of you two-minute wonders. You haven\u2019t got<\/i> any. You haven\u2019t got a sex drive, and I\u2019ve still<\/i> got one, but I do not allow it, and it\u2019s a strong one. I wish to hell it was just a simple sexual matter, you could just, instead of counseling, just go down. I could take care of people who needed to feel good about themselves, I could take care of thirty in a night. But I don\u2019t think that\u2019s what people need. I think they need something more than that. Maybe social acceptance begins there, but by God, it doesn\u2019t end there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right\u2013<\/p>\n

(Latin music starts again)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It doesn\u2019t end there. \u2018Cause some of you guys think that you\u2013 you\u2019re too much. You think all with your prick\u2013 you walk around with your prick that it\u2019s greatly desired. And you lose<\/i> that way\u2013 you lose<\/i> that way. Absolutely<\/i> you lose that way. You want a quick fuck? I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want you\u2013 I\u2013 I can\u2019t imagine wantin\u2019 to fuck just a body. I hope<\/i> there\u2019s more to it here. I hope<\/i> that these\u2013 these kinds of uh, programs that we\u2019re, uh, involving ourselves in, we see taking place in the ca\u2013 community, uh, superficial relationships, breaking down of the family\u2013 I think that you cannot extend the larger family unless you extend the smaller<\/i> family. If you don\u2019t have a unit somewhere to br\u2013 to measure caring and sharing, I don\u2019t believe that this\u2013 that we can ever extend this on a larger basis. Now if you really want a free fuck, I think it ought to be, uh, extended<\/i> to more than just a casual meeting. Then get a house, and let every man\u2019s wife be open season. (Pause) All<\/i> women\u2013 and then you have to follow\u2013 you have to follow, except those who don\u2019t want any participation in it, but that will not be the man\u2019s decision. I think you women need to cool<\/i> some of this shit. I think you need to say, the next time you fuckers start this shit, I<\/i> am going around and fuck anybody<\/i> I please in the entire, goddamned community.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

(Tape distortion)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And nobody better do it without my permission. You need to get liberated from this shit. We\u2019ve been asked to take in some children (unintelligible under other track) \u2018cause some of you women can\u2019t get emancipated. You can\u2019t do it. You think there too many men, you\u2019re giving them this cocky<\/i>-ass attitude. I\u2019ll<\/i> bring in some people who\u2019ve been through revolution that\u2019ll be far more humble, be humble<\/i> in their role because they know what it is to nearly die and nearly destroyed by the fascists in Chile and were tortured some of them, and I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll bring them in, \u2018cause we\u2019re not going to have this kind of shit. You men are gettin\u2019 a cocky-ass attitude. I said a (Draws out phrase) cocky-ass attitude, and you sisters ought not be so hard-up when\u2013 they\u2013 you talk about these goddamned fucks, we go through them all the time, these two or three minute fuck. Shit! You ought to go\u2013 you ought to get you a sugar<\/i> cane, go down and g\u2013 get some sugar cane and cut it, and then make it sweet on top of it\u2013<\/p>\n

Marceline Jones:<\/b> Right. Or a banana.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And you can move it much faster than two minutes, I\u2019m sure\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughs<\/p>\n

(Someone tests recording equipment, perhaps over a separate track, with periodic interruptions of \u201ctesting 1, 2\u201d)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I\u2019d\u2013 I\u2019d like to say this: If a (unintelligible word) woman gets liberated from her man \u2013 I\u2019m talking about in a relationship \u2013 I mean, makes them hold the line and be other than chauvinistic, and the rest of you, if you\u2019d quit standin\u2019 on the sidelines, w\u2013 with your arms wide open so he can walk right into \u2018em, we<\/i> might get some of these men grown up.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Laughter, then applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Agitated tone) I\u2019m gonna tell ya, you better, because we<\/i> got mercenaries out there. This goddamned press can\u2019t even answer the mercenaries. They won\u2019t even deal<\/i> with them. They\u2019ve nothing to say because they in\u2013 they\u2019re involved in it, they\u2019ve consulted with it, the press has heard it privately<\/i> and it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a threat to cru\u2013 commit a criminal<\/i> violation, to kidnap and to invade<\/i> a sovereign territory. And that\u2019s how bad off America is, that the press will consult<\/i> with these motherfuckers and not report them to the proper authorities. It\u2019s criminal<\/i>! It\u2019s a criminal act of conspiracy to talk about coming in to a\u2013 a sovereign<\/i> territory or anyplace<\/i> and taking, by force, to kill, dead<\/i> or alive, and take them back by mercenaries \u2013 mercenaries, everyone knows that mercenary means murderer \u2013 and if you don\u2019t get this thing under control and get your heads down to zero<\/i>, where I\u2019m at, some of you fuckers, it carries over, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 ya. I\u2019m telling you, and I\u2019ve fucked people for seven hours<\/i> for this cause, but I\u2019m going to tell you, if you don\u2019t keep yourself at an operation zero in your sex life, it\u2019ll affect all<\/i> your other judgments!<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>If you think somebody needs<\/i> you, and is attracted to your prick, and I\u2013 I\u2019ll tell ya, I wouldn\u2019t talk, if some of you motherfuckers with two or three minutes, I would shut<\/i> up!<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Agitated) And you dumb bitches that go for two or three minutes, you\u2019re as\u2013 you\u2019re sadistic, \u2018cause you don\u2019t even get warmed up and you\u2019re the ones that\u2019s gonna get the pregnancy because we\u2019re runnin\u2019 out of pills! You\u2019re gonna get pregnant by somebody that won\u2019t give a shit, that won\u2019t diaper the child, will never even look at the child and pass it up every goddamned Sunday!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applauds<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And I\u2019m gonna come down on you bitches. If you lay your ass down, you better know<\/i> you\u2019re gonna get it!<\/p>\n

Marceline: <\/b>(competes with Jones) I\u2013 I agree\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Agitated) Because you hold the key! You\u2019re the oppressed class! You\u2019re the oppressed class! I\u2019ll finish in just a minute\u2013 You are the oppressed<\/i> class! It would not for the white man to organize the black people. If we\u2019da waited on the white man to organize us, blacks and Indians, we never woulda got our shit together. We<\/i> had to take it in our own ranks and militantly come together and come over here, and if you women are waitin\u2019 for you oppressor to give you deliverance, and goddammit<\/i>, <\/b>you\u2019re gonna have to get delivered, you\u2019re an oppressed class and you\u2019re gonna have to take your deliverance!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> Applauds, cheers<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(Calms slightly) Now we talk about free fucks later. We\u2019ll talk about that. You want an international, communal fuck<\/i>? Then okay, it goes both ways. Sisters can take care of more men than\u2013 than men can take care of women, I can assure you.<\/p>\n

Men in audience:<\/b> That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I\u2013 I would like to propose right now, though, that the woman<\/i> (Pause) who is standing and waiting on the sidelines for the man<\/i> that is going to be untrue or whatever is\u2013 whatever word you wanna use, to the person that they\u2019re committed to at that moment, the woman that opens her arms and her legs to that man, will get the same<\/i> discipline as the man who went to her!<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> (Cheers and applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(calms throughout) In the first<\/i> place, the press can say nothing about these mercenaries \u2018cause they\u2019re on their way\u2013 Now wha\u2013 You guys, if you don\u2019t keep down humble\u2013 (crunches ice) Shit. I don\u2019t know what you think you\u2013 why\u2013 why you can\u2019t\u2013 you can\u2019t see. If you don\u2019t keep humble in your sex life, male or female, it will carry over to everything. Be cynical about everything that comes down your path. That\u2019s the only way I\u2019ve been able to protect you. I don\u2019t believe anybody\u2019s statement. I investigate everybody\u2019s statement. Nothing<\/i> that comes across my path do I take for granted. If I had, I\u2019da long since got the goddamned biggest head in this place, \u2018cause half the church, at one point or another, would try to blow smoke up my ass and tell me they wanted to fuck with me. But I wouldn\u2019t let that shit get to my head.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I always<\/i> go \u2018round with a cynicism. And if you<\/i> guys, you<\/i> brothers, you who\u2019ve been trained, women have not been put in that position, you\u2019ve been trained to fight \u2013 the women are gonna get<\/i> trained to fight \u2013 but if you don\u2019t get your ass together, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you, you don\u2019t\u2013 I\u2019m not tryin\u2019 to penalize you. But if you don\u2019t know where the hell you are in your sex life, you\u2019re not gonna know anything else about yourself.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Nothing. And if you want to take this gamble of gettin\u2019 a baby and gettin\u2019 the hostility, you oughta have some of this shit. You can\u2019t fuck good enough to not get the hostility you\u2019ll get when it\u2019s over.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You better be sure<\/i> what you\u2019re openin\u2019, you want\u2013 (pause) \u2018Cause it\u2013 you\u2019re not gettin\u2019 away with sex. The woman is seeking you for some kind of damn image thing, \u2018cause a woman is sexually driven, she cannot get her orgasm in no few minutes. No<\/i> way\u2013 So somethin\u2019<\/i> else that the\u2013 you women are doin\u2019 with this sex business\u2013 and why is it that you have to do it here? I don\u2019t understand it. (pause) I don\u2019t know why you want to take such a chance\u2013 What<\/i> kinda fuck is worth it? What\u2019re you gonna do when the pills<\/i> run out? These pills are horribly expensive. I don\u2019t know what the pharmacist can tell us, but it\u2019s very, very\u2013 they\u2019re very low. So what\u2019s gonna happen then? You brothers gonna have to use rubbers, and that\u2019ll take care of half of our jobs\u2013 \u2018Cause we\u2019re gonna penalize everybody that uh, gets pregnant. We can\u2019t afford pregnancies now. We owe more than that to our people. What we gonna do if we got 50 pregnant women when the war comes?<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>We ought not to be, uh, afraid of fighting. The Cubans had to fight.<\/p>\n

Man in<\/b> Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>United States had to fight the goddamned British, and everybody\u2019s been fightin\u2019, the Indians and the blacks, we\u2019ve always<\/i> been on our back\u2013 haunches, facing enemies, common enemies ever since the goddamned western civilization began. Now we<\/i> are not out of war. And you women better not get yourself knocked up without clearance.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you, if you\u2019re gonna have a baby, it better be planned<\/i>. It\u2019s been miracle<\/i> after miracle that all<\/i> these babies came over here with all<\/i> kinds of conditions inside the m\u2013 mother\u2019s s\u2013 system, all<\/i> kinds of shit because the US medicine don\u2019t give a fuck about poor white or<\/i> black, and it\u2019s been a miracle<\/i> every one of these babies has been born healthy.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>A miracle. And we are not,<\/i> at this time with mercenaries maybe out there now\u2013 we have no<\/i> goddamned business of gettin\u2019 some woman pregnant so she can\u2019t go out. And have to be pampered, she can\u2019t move, and there\u2019s a lot of bullshit in that too. And a lot\u2013 and maybe that\u2019s why some of these women are gettin\u2019 pregnant, brothers, so be careful. And I\u2019m gonna pull a stop to that shit, because in the Soviet Union and in China, they work up to the eighth goddamned month and they do a productive work, and it\u2019s all bullshit that you have to go around bein\u2019 pampered at three<\/i> weeks.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right! (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>What the hell you gonna (unintelligible word).We\u2019re gonna have to make it more difficult. I think there must be somethin\u2019 goin\u2019 on here, because, uh, uh, if it was made as difficult as it should<\/i> be in a war period, we wouldn\u2019t have so many people wantin\u2019 to get pregnant. And they (unintelligible word) your ass, a lot of ma\u2013 why women have got the feeling<\/i> that all they are is a baby factory. That\u2019s one of the old<\/i> holdovers of the un-emancipated female. And I don\u2019t know why\u2013 It\u2019s just as\u2013 It\u2019s just as bad, woman \u2013 you be\u2013 goddamned women better hear me \u2013 it\u2019s just as bad. Don\u2019t you ever criticize a black person for sayin\u2019 yessuh, no sir, because as you go along with that concept, you are just as bad as Stepin Fetchit, you are just as much an Uncle Tom and Aunt Jane as any one of those suckers, when you go along bein\u2019 a baby factory, doin\u2019 all the damn housework, doin\u2019 all<\/i> the goddamned diaper work, takin\u2019 care of the baby and lettin\u2019 mister strut-ass walk up and down the aisles, talk at four people at the same time.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in<\/b> crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>And fuckin\u2019 none of them, and gettin\u2019 all the glory.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in<\/b> crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right! (Applause)<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> I\u2013 I think one of the problems might be that, uh, we do have this Lamaze method, and our women have been very<\/i> strong through childbirth. But that doesn\u2019t mean it doesn\u2019t hurt. For you women that are lookin\u2019 on and you men<\/i> that are lookin\u2019 on, it hurts to have a baby. We talk about having babies, not<\/i> without pain, but without drugs. And anyone here that\u2019s had one since they\u2019ve been here, Lamaze or whatever, it hurts<\/i>. So just because you don\u2019t hear the screams and all that, and you see \u2018em being stoic and gettin\u2019 up and walkin\u2019 away from the delivery room table, I want you to know it hurts. Okay?<\/p>\n

Scattered voices in<\/b> crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right! Right!<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Ain\u2019t this the miserable goddamned shits. I uh, I uh, I\u2013 miserable goddamned shits. I don\u2019t know what to do with these people. (Sighs) I don\u2019t know what they\u2013 (Srumbles over words) I\u2019m gone be hon\u2013 honest with you, brothers will be good when you emancipate \u2018em, but I\u2013 if you don\u2019t emancipate \u2018em, they ain\u2019t worth shit. And you\u2019re not gonna get them emancipated till they do. Now I gotta bring another man down here \u2018cause he can\u2019t figure out, he got, get on the fuckin\u2019\u2013 We got a crisis, the mercenaries gotta get on to talk to two women at the same time and, uh, you dumb bitches, you<\/i> dumb.<\/p>\n

Female voice in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You dumb bitches. (Pause) One of my main leaders [Hue Fortson], one of my main leaders back there, why you fuck with him, women? Why do you fuck with these men when they got\u2013 Then they can\u2019t decide who they want? And they want to talk to both of them right in the middle of a crisis. I just love<\/i> these kinda people. Right in the fuckin\u2019 midst of commentary, gotta\u2013 Now I got no one, I got no black leader now\u2013 \u2018cause he\u2019s gone apeshit. (Pause) (Sighs) (Stumbles over words)\u2013 Back, back on to you\u2013 Uh, where is this sister? Where is this sister? Where is this sister was with him?<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> (Too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>No, no, no, no, no, no. I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about this sister with Ro\u2013 with Hue Fortson.<\/p>\n

Voices:<\/b> (Off mike, too low)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now I hope you know what you\u2019ve created. I hope to hell you know what you created.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> (mike cuts in) \u2013Hue Fortson, I wasn\u2019t even\u2013 uh, I had just came to the cause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>I see\u2013<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> \u2013and he explained\u2013 he\u2013 he told me that\u2013 him and his\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It was probably of\u2013 of\u2013 officially authorized\u2013 or\u2013 or what? What\u2019d he tell you?<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> He told me that him and his wife were no long\u2013 you know.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You women! That\u2019s the first thing they tell you!<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>It\u2019s been cleared by me, or it\u2019s all right, or they\u2019re separated<\/i> until she gets\u2013 until she comes home\u2013<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Rhonda Fortson:<\/b> You didn\u2019t come and ask me<\/i>\u2013 You didn\u2019t ask. You didn\u2019t want<\/i> to know the answer.<\/p>\n

Voices in<\/b> crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right\u2013<\/p>\n

Rhonda:<\/b> You didn\u2019t ask me<\/i>. I knew<\/i> that he was going to your house, and I talked to him about that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Well, we got a mess now\u2013 Here he come\u2013 We\u2019ll have to bring his ass in here. He was pretty good in the pulpit. A lot of folk that can be good in the pulpit, but ain\u2019t worth shit<\/i> in their routine, when women don\u2019t give them some help<\/i>\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>Did you break it off when you found out he was<\/i> married?<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> I knew<\/i> he was married, but he told me that him and his wife was not together.<\/p>\n

Woman in crowd: <\/b>And you believed it.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Oh, you women! How many times we heard this? You\u2019re new, all right, but what is it? You don\u2019t want him? So I\u2019m gonna have to tell him some damn thing. (Pause) Gotta talk to\u2013 Right in the middle of a goddamned crisis! Gotta talk<\/i> to somebody. Right in the middle\u2013 And it don\u2019t make no difference if we\u2019re talkin\u2019 to 85 news people and the whole fuckin\u2019 radio band. Goin\u2019 apeshit! Gotta talk. Call long distance<\/i> to talk collect<\/i> at sixteen bucks for three minutes.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Cries out)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>He hasn\u2019t got a dime! He hasn\u2019t got a penny! I\u2019m<\/i> payin\u2019 it. (Pause) Baby, sweet darling, been here for months<\/i>, you\u2013<\/p>\n

Male in crowd:<\/b> (too low)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah, that shows there\u2019s\u2013 there\u2019s a point, uh, you\u2019ve made a point. He\u2019s got his goddamned balls on his mind, he took that fuckin\u2019 petition on the front steps and he asked me why (stammers over words)\u2013 If he hadn\u2019t taken it, I wouldna had to\u2013 they wanted me to address myself to a goddamned petition I\u2019ve never even seen<\/i>! He took it, but wa\u2013 nobody knows where it is! (Pause) \u2018Cause he\u2019s got his mind on his balls, and you<\/i>, sister, you\u2019re new. How<\/i> new are you?<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> I uh, came to the cause in October of last year.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>(calms) Okay. October of last<\/i> year\u2013<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> October\u2013 this past October\u2013 This just past October.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>A year ago last\u2013 While I was here\u2013 while I was here\u2013<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>While I was gone.<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/b> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Yeah. Then. All right, (stumbles over words), okay, that\u2013 that puts lots of things in perspective.<\/p>\n

Marceline<\/b>: (off mike) I only want to\u2013 I only want to say (unintelligible) she probably didn\u2019t realize (on mike) that, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>That\u2019s probably the only one that he could find<\/i>, though. You know that, darlin\u2019? He picked somebody that\u2013 that was new<\/i>. He picked somebody was new \u2018cause they wouldna have fall for that shit.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/b> There were hours that I didn\u2019t know where he was. I got to where he checked in when he left, and he checked in when he came in, after I raised quite a lot of hell with Hue. But I knew well where he was, he was with you\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>You see what you\u2019re doin? You see what you women do? It\u2019s the\u2013 it\u2019s the same old story. Same old story, we\u2019ve been through it fifty times. Fifty goddamned times we\u2019ve been or\u2013 been through it. Why don\u2019t you women be strong<\/i>? They will be true to you, and they will\u2013 you will make them<\/i> strong, because they have been weakened<\/i> by the fact that they\u2019ve been pampered.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Strong doesn\u2019t mean just chew ass every second. But I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about being strong<\/i>. Give some intellectual content and substance. (Pause) Don\u2019t just look moony-eyed. They\u2019ll leave you\u2013 (stumbles over words), they\u2019ll move from one moony-eyed to the next.<\/p>\n

Voices in crowd: <\/b>That\u2019s right!<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/b>Now he wants to see if he hasn\u2019t shit in Rhonda\u2019s nest. \u2018Cause he worried\u2013 Hue worried about that Rhonda\u2019s gonna know about this. She already knows<\/i> about it \u2018cause he call\u2013 callin\u2019 for you<\/i>. Now I can\u2019t control that. I wouldn\u2019t let her be hurt. But it\u2019s too late! He\u2019s already called, callin\u2019 for you. I, I didn\u2019t bring it out on you, because you said you were new, but you\u2019re gonna have to deal with the damn thing now, so I\u2019m glad that you are<\/i> here since last Oc[tober]\u2013<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/b><\/p>\n

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