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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (sings) I\u2019m so glad that I found Jim Jones in time.
\nI\u2019m so glad I found Jim Jones in time.
\nI\u2019m so glad that I found Jim Jones in time.
\nOh my God, oh my God<\/i>, what shall I do?
\nI\u2019m so glad trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nI\u2019m so glad trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nI\u2019m so glad trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nOh my God, oh my God<\/i>, what shall I do?<\/p>\n

(Cries out) One more\u2014<\/p>\n

(Sings)
\nI\u2019m so glad that trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nI\u2019m so glad trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nI\u2019m so glad trouble don\u2019t last always.
\nOh my (voice fades) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Calls out) Amen. Amen. (Pause) Because of your prayers, your kind wishes and thoughts, my young son who had both<\/i> legs broken is walking again.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Uh-huh. Uh-huh. (Pause) On April 12\u2014\u00a0On April 12, when this horrible thing happened, I was told, don\u2019t worry. Don\u2019t worry. And I know<\/i> that I speak with great authority when I say that trouble won\u2019t last always. (Pause) I think the last time I was here we were talking about how this, as a result of federal<\/i> action, we had been denied<\/i> 4000 jobs for the young people of this city. We made special appeals to businesses, to churches, to other organizations, to at least come up with uh, as much as they possibly could afford, to provide job opportunities, for young people who were willing to work, who didn\u2019t want to face the hellishness<\/i> of poverty another season. The very first establishmen<\/i>t to come through with flying colors was the Peoples Temple, led by my<\/i> Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Sustained cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> And it wasn\u2019t long\u2014\u00a0And it wasn\u2019t long\u2014 And it wasn\u2019t long after that, it wasn\u2019t long after that, that we received the intelligence that the evilness<\/i> in the heart of those administrators on a federal level had been softened, and we got<\/i> our 4000 jobs, a great many of those administered by our own brother John Brown.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Uh-huh. (Pause) One of the great<\/i> reasons\u2014 One of the many<\/i> reasons that I enjoy the dynamic ministry of Pastor Jim Jones is because of the truth<\/i>, because of the eloquence, because of the realist\u2014 realist<\/i> approach to the things<\/i> that we need. He often talks about fascism. Now “fascism” is a word that most people just think is something bad<\/i>. But the definition of fascism, friends, is rule<\/i> by the most reactionary segment of organized financed capital \u2014 this is what it means \u2014 where they absolute complete reign, police department, everything like that, but they don\u2019t have their own way. They don\u2019t have their own way, and from the crevasse that they least expected, out jumps the Watergate, and exposes<\/i> them for their evildoing, where\u2014 (Pause) but Christian friends, let me tell you something. Don\u2019t<\/i> be deceived. As far as I\u2019m concerned, this Watergate business could very easily be a circus. It could be a\u2014\u00a0easy circus, and it is like a man being accused of murder, rape and robbery, the most heinous<\/i> of all human crimes, being tried for a traffic ticket. You see?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> I\u2019d like to speak, if you would bear with me, about the allies<\/i> of fascism. The allies<\/i>. Who are those\u2014\u00a0Who are we that help (unintelligible word) to make it possible for the enemies<\/i> of all decency and dignity to go their merry way. I say, friends, those of us who would stoop to violence against his neighbor on a racial basis, whether he knows<\/i> it or not, he\u2019s contributing to this, and he\u2019s an ally of fascism.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> I\u2019d say those of us (Pause) who happen to live in a spanking brand new housing project or something like that, and will sit idly by with a transistor radio playing while we\u2019re sitting in litter up to our ankles, and watch\u2014 (coughs) Some water please\u2014 And watch young children destroy property before the paint is dry on it, these are contributors. These people are helping fascism. (Coughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Aside) I\u2014 I shouldn\u2019t have eaten that cake. (Laughs) (Clears throat, back to congregation) The hospitality\u2019s so good, they were feeding me c\u2014 cake downstairs. And see, all the crumbs got into me. But I\u2019ll be all right<\/i>. (Clears throat) You see, we have people who are so frustrated, they\u2019ll get on to the Muni bus, and slash the seats up. (Pause) These are contributing, because people will choose tyranny<\/i> over anarchy. You see, the evil<\/i> element will see a young black kid, who\u2019s throwing rocks out of a window, who\u2019ll walk and dump a garbage can over, and they\u2019ll say these are hoodlums and they should be put in a special place. And people will<\/i> choose tyranny over anarchy, when they are afraid, if they don\u2019t know the difference. And I\u2019m suggesting to you that you must let<\/i> your light shine. (Cries out) You must continue to do the thing you\u2019re doing. You follow the brave and dignified leadership of a man like Jim Jones, and we can walk down life\u2019s path, with the dignity of a first class citizen, where our character, not our color, is applied to earn our respectability. And are you afraid of making a few enemies? Don\u2019t<\/i> ever be afraid of making enemies. (Pause) It\u2019s a matter of what\u2019s right, not who\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Ministerial cadence) People talk about freedom. The greatest pleasure is not in some kind of crazy freedom, the greatest pleasure is in obedience. You\u2019ve got to have something you respect. You\u2019ve got to have something that you love. You\u2019ve got to have leadership<\/i> that you can follow.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Moderates tone) If the question is asked, will the racist succeed? Will the fascist-minded people succeed? I say they will not, because God has placed an obstacle in the path of such an adventure.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> If every\u2014 Quoting the words of the immortal Frederick Douglass, “If every pencil, paper, periodical and pamphlet were burned, and their ashes given to the four winds of the heaven, there would still be no peace for the racist. By the wind<\/i>, the breeze that soothes and the thunder that startles, he would be awakened. Thou art guilty<\/i>.” And I\u2019m saying to you, Christian friends, every single day, we\u2019re seeing how these people in their ivory towers, questioning our<\/i> patriotism, if you please, questioning our<\/i> patriotism, and they<\/i> would sell grain, they\u2019d sell lumber, they\u2019d do anything to the highest bidder. You see, there\u2019s such a thing as balance. They\u2019re calling the Russians all of the names in the world, but it was our<\/i> people\u2014 see, the Russians are off\u2014\u00a0operating off of the order, to some extent, of the Jim Jones thing. They had one group negotiating for the Soviet Union, but they were negotiating with private, little, greedy people who were outbidding each other. And so they sold too cheaply, and now they must make the American people make up their losses. This<\/i> is the way that happens, this is why we\u2019re having the problems, to make up for the losses of some greedy, little, money-hungry men. (Pause) And I\u2019m saying to you, Christian friends, you can\u2019t afford the luxury of ignorance, because ignorance<\/i> is an ally<\/i> of fascism.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> I salute\u2014 I salute Jim Jones for the beautiful work he\u2019s doing, especially with the students. He\u2019s not suggesting\u2014 You see, because there is<\/i> no generation gap. You\u2019re helping the young, and you\u2019re helping the old, helping people to have a survival kit in this cruel and vicious jungle in which we live. (Calls out) But because of the things that you\u2019re doing, I\u2019m so glad that trouble won\u2019t last always. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Today, Christian friends, you see\u2014 You hear a lot of talk about black English. (Pause) Black English, if you please. I didn\u2019t hear about black Spanish, black Japanese. They don\u2019t say that the people from the Appalachians uh, speak only white English. People speak differently in New York, Boston, New Orleans or California. (Pause) It has nothing<\/i> to do with color. But if you go for this nonsense about black English, they would take the idiotic utterings of people who\u2019ve been cursed by the hellishnuf\u2014 hellishness of poverty, and call that<\/i> black. Then they\u2019re lowering standards instead of lowering barriers. And they<\/i> are allies of fascism. See?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Unintelligible aside) (Pause) A poet [Anton Alexander Von Auersperg] once said, Enemies?<\/p>\n

You have no enemies, so you say.
\nBut alas, my friend, your boast is poor.
\nFor he who has mingled in the fray
\nthat the brave endure,
\nmust have made foes. If you\u2019ve made none,
\nsmall is the work that you\u2019ve done.
\nYou\u2019ve never faced a hostile horde,
\nnor pac\u2014\u00a0placed your principles clear and above board,
\nyou\u2019ve never changed the wrong to right,
\nyou\u2019ve been a traitor in the fight.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Laughs) See?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> So Jim Jones, don\u2019t worry about [Lester] Kinsolving. (Laughs) He\u2019s a little man. Don\u2019t worry about these kind of people, because Jim Jones is walking down the life\u2019s path, and he\u2019s taught us how to enjoy<\/i> the trip. Enjoy<\/i> the trip. (Calls out) Work together, children. Work together, children. Work together!<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> There is no way that we can possibly lose, because, as I\u2019ve said before, my friends, this concept is certainly an island of democracy in a whole ocean of bigotry and hate. You see?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> (Conversational tone) And some day, some day, my friends, when my friend Jim Jones\u2019 hair has been dusted with streaks of gray, as a result of many<\/i> years of great service in the betterment of mankind, he shall be able to say to my young brothers and sisters, and everyone around him,<\/p>\n

You shall know, my sons, you shall know, (Calls out)
\nwhy I leave the song unsung,
\nthe book unread, the work undone,
\nthe rest beneath the sod.
\nWeep no more.
\nWhy lies and smears were framed,
\nthe tears I shed and the hurt I bore,
\nfor all the world shall be proclaimed,
\nand the earth shall smile,
\nand green above my resting place
\nand all the killing end,
\nthe world rejoice and brotherhood and peace,
\nwork and build, my sons,
\nthe monument to peace and love and joy
\nand that faith<\/i> that I keep
\nfor you, my sons, for you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

[Paraphrase of poem, “Saengchai Sunthornwat: In Memory,” by Ethel Rosenberg]<\/p>\n

Play softly, dear.
\nAn old man traveled a lonely highway.
\nHe came at evening cold and gray
\nto a chasm, vast deep and wide,
\nthat he had to cross to the other side.
\nThat old man crossed in the twilight dim,
\nfor the sullen stream held no fears for Jim.
\nBut he turned<\/i> as he crossed to the other side,
\nand began to build a bridge to span the tide.
\nA pilgrim who was standing there,
\nsaid old man, you\u2019re wasting your time building here.
\nYour journey will end at the close of this day,
\nand you never again will come this way.
\nYou\u2019ve crossed the chasm vast, deep and wide.
\nWhy build a bridge at evening tide?
\nBut Jim Jones lifted his proud, proud head.
\nGood<\/i> friend, the path that I\u2019ve come, he said,
\nthere followeth me a youth someday,
\nwhose feet must also pass this way,
\nthis stream that has meant nothing to me,
\nto my young friend a pitfall might be.
\nHe too must cross in the twilight dim.
\nGood friends, I am building the bridge for him.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

[Paraphrase of poem, “The Bridge Builder,” by Will Allen Dromgoole]<\/p>\n

Amen<\/i>. Ha-ha-hah! (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Thank you, sister. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Silence for several moments)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That was\u2014 (silence for moment) had recognized it. Our Los Angeles Temple, as you know, is very large, and it\u2019s filled on Thursday nights in our miracle service, and it was the two hundred and twelfth<\/i> time that such an unfoldment has taken place there. Not one\u2014\u00a0not one since we have exercised<\/i>\u2014\u00a0not theorized<\/i>, but exercised, and manifested the Godship degree, not one person has ever died that has not been resurrected in my presence.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) That isn\u2019t a matter for you to theorize<\/i> about. Because hypothetically, that\u2019s difficult to embrace. I can realize the significance of how difficult that would be to embrace. But we have doctors who are members of our church. Just a wonderful letter written by Dr. Massey [Dr. J. Bruce Massey], of\u2014\u00a0he said I have examined and have seen these expectorated growths, and he said I know, that in spite of my own thoughts<\/i>, this man is able to bring out cancers out of bodies and make them every would whole.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The same was said of Dr. Perkins, the head of the hospital, he said, beyond all shadow<\/i> of a doubt, this man is able to perform cures that are believed by science to be impossible, because, he said, I have seen the lame walk, \u2018cause the day he was there, the last time that he wrote the letter, a man left a wheelchair that\u2019d been paralyzed for nine long years. And it was wonderful, this last Sunday, when Samuel Goldwyn Mayer studios was making the movie of us, two<\/i> left their wheelchairs, people dropped their crutches, dropped their back braces, and were healed all over the assembly. Today the studio called, and they said it is\u2014 now, I\u2019m saying what they said to our secretary, Mrs. [Lisa] Layton and to others. They said, it is Hollywood material. It looks almost so unbelievable that it looks like a dramatization, but said, we know it\u2019s real, because we were there.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Sustained cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They said, we went to healer after healer, we sought out religious science, (unintelligible word), we sought out [evangelist Kathryn] Kuhlman, [evangelist Oral] Roberts, and of all the great name healers, and we could not find one<\/i> healing, and they said, you gave us in five<\/i> minutes more healings than we ever heard<\/i> about, much less, never saw.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So it\u2019s a good\u2014 It\u2019s a good thing on the record to have that. The film will be released to 60 television stations. It\u2019ll appear here, as it\u2019s gotten together. We\u2019re going over the final draft, (unintelligible word) the next few days, with the CBS minister who\u2019s now in our church, who was a network CBS, uh, manager, [Mike Prokes] he will be going over it to see that it is in the finest form that it can possibly be in rev\u2014\u00a0revelation of the people<\/i>, because we want it to demonstrate integration and unity, as well as healings. Certainly\u2014 It\u2019s no doubt about it, when you see someone in a wheelchair, come out of the wheelchair, when you see people that were crippled for years, immediately healed, a man who had had an injury to his back that had left him permanently crippled, just straightened up and looked before the television eyes in wonderment, (tone of wonder) “It\u2019s gone.”<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s gone. (Pause) And we do these things. We do these things, not only because we are desirous to heal sick bodies, and indeed we are, but we do<\/i> these things as signs<\/i> that follow the believers in democratic socialism, in black liberation, we do<\/i> these as attention means, to bring people to the wholeness<\/i> of mind, to the healing<\/i> of mind that we have, that will not only change bodies, but will change the nation.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> For many years, I looked out on this wide extended plain, and I viewed the dilemmas of um, humanity and all of their incongruous religions. One Baptist church setting on one corner, and another Baptist on the other, each saying that the other was going to hell, that kind of division, even amongst the Baptist churches. And I heard all these voices of religion, and I wondered, why<\/i> is it that they can hold<\/i> the people in their stance that they can, an impossible<\/i> immobilization and falls in the mind of people, when they take religion that has to do with the future world. They\u2019re uh, incapacitated<\/i>. They\u2019re immobilized<\/i>. They will do nothing<\/i> about the circumstances about the here and now. And I looked<\/i> as a child at the erroneousness<\/i> of it all. All I could see was preachers getting Cadillacs, and Roll-Royces, unfortunately even some of those who call themselves leaders<\/i> today in emancipated<\/i> churches, their leaders will have Rolls-Royces. Did you hear what I said?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Yes. Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Emancipated leaders will have Rolls-Royces and Cadillacs. They cannot be emancipated leaders and own Rowl\u2014 Rolls-Royces and Cadillacs. They\u2019ll have to come as I, and use choir robes or something akin to it, and put the money in the people\u2019s hands, for land, jobs, industry, businesses, and social justice in the courts.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I say to you, this is what your conscience will have to deal with. I say no true leader of the people would drive around in a new Cadillac. I cannot even own<\/i> a car in good conscience. And I could not own a Cadillac, though some of you do\u2014 you did it before you knew me, or if you didn\u2019t, you should ashamed of yourself. Because anyone that can drive around in Cadillacs and Rolls-Royces, when one<\/i>-half of the black population today are jobless, that person is not capable of leading you anywhere but to hell.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now you\u2014\u00a0you stir up your own pure conscience\u2014\u00a0You just stir up your own pure conscience. If you did not wish to believe me for my work\u2019s<\/i> sake\u2014\u00a0and we brought seven people out of wheelchairs in the last few days, and we brought one lady back from the dead last night, that was bleeding in her eighties, and she came back, could not move, her eyes set against the ceiling, her tongue hanging out. I mean, she had every loss of vital sign, I wouldn\u2019t\u2019ve believed it myself, if I hadn\u2019t seen it demonstrated over and over again, I would say it\u2019s impossible. And as I looked out over the array of religious systems, and saw what people achieve with nothing\u2014 they achieved all this by promising them furniture in heaven<\/i>, or pie in the sky in the sweet bye and bye. And I looked<\/i> around, and all these churches had empty vessels. Their wells were like empty cisterns, as the old Proverbs said, the Proverbs of Allah and the Proverbs of Jehovah Jarra. They were empty cisterns. They couldn\u2019t do a thing. All the preachers could do was drive around in the Cadillac. (Voice rises to ministerial cadence) So I said at that moment, if there\u2019s any God in the universe, let it be deposited in me. If there\u2019s any energy in the universe, let it be combusted in me. And that moment, it happened. And ever since that moment\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Ever since that moment, I have seen<\/i> myself as God, and I have seen my children as gods, and because we see<\/i> God, we have not been dying<\/i>, and we have not had one\u2014\u00a0not one person\u2014 Peace. We have not had one person suffer a stroke in all these years since I<\/i> came on the scene. The one that did have it, Sister Moore, she\u2019s dancing around these days, healed, because I touched her. She was paralyzed on her side, and Sister [Rose] Shelton was paralyzed on her side, but not one<\/i>, since I have said there\u2019s no God in these empty churches, so I will get on with the business of being what they say they\u2019re looking for.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now you say, you say some kind of blasphemy. No, I say, the science of Christianity, the science of Mohammadism, the science of Buddhism, the science of Judaism, it says, as a man thinketh in his mind, so is he. In my mind, I know<\/i> I\u2019m God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Sustained cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019ll shake you up, didn\u2019t it, sister? That\u2019ll shake you up. Pray a little bit about that.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Calls out) And it\u2019s working. (Conversational) You know, they say, when everything works justifiably and for goodness, use it. If it doesn\u2019t work, then don\u2019t<\/i> use it. But if it works, use<\/i> it, employ<\/i> it, if it is of goodness<\/i> and if it is of righteousness<\/i>, whatsoever thing is lovely, whatsoever thing is good. Use<\/i> it. Well, I\u2019m using this consciousness. And it\u2019s nothing more than your Scripture spoke about. When they came to nail Jesus on the cross, he didn\u2019t have as keen perception as I have these days. Man came down the aisle a few Sundays ago to shoot me, and I\u2019d already taken his gun away from him.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Didn\u2019t he? Come running down, and he said, “If I\u2019d had my gun,” but his gun was gone. (Pause) His gun was gone, because I had already had the ushers to slip up and get the gun from him, because I knew he had the gun, the weapon, and they\u2014 he got in the building with the weapon. And I said, because of this, so that others will not try to harm this work\u2014\u00a0Not that I mind dying, because when you get in the Godship degree, you don\u2019t care whether you live<\/i> or you die, you only want to serve. And so I said, it matters not what is done to me, but the people still need me, as they needed some others here, and so I said, because of it, I\u2019m going to cause you to lose your mind, so you will not be able to say a word. Have you seen him on the streets? He\u2019s babbling, picking things out of the air. He\u2019s still<\/i> babbling, and he\u2019ll continue to babble, until the thing gets uh, corrected in his mind, and then I\u2019ll bring him back in here, and he\u2019ll be able to talk straight again.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The head of the mayor\u2019s youth commission can tell you, Reverend Brown can tell you, he saw him just yesterday, and he said he was mumbling in unknown languages, picking things out of the sky. That\u2019s<\/i> what he got, because he meddled with something you don\u2019t believe in. But you see, I<\/i> believe in it, and some of my people believe in it, and you better not mess<\/i> with it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s wonderful. (Pause) Our business is healing, our business is deliverance, our business is emancipation. We don\u2019t like to talk about those things. You say, why do you talk of the destructive side? Well, you\u2019ve got some mean people. (Pause) They\u2014 They\u2019re mean because they\u2019ve never been treated nicely. And before you can get their attention, you sometimes have to stop<\/i> them with their own method. Get their attention with their own method. That would be a negative way. Young woman in this group, now one of our sweet sisters, she was\u2014\u00a0she\u2019d stolen a thousand dollars off of people that couldn\u2019t afford it. I couldn\u2019t reach her through love, so I struck her dead on this platform.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yeah. She sits in our choir today. She made restitution of that money, and she said she would\u2019ve have never learned<\/i> it. She never learned it through goodness. She sit under my ministry for months<\/i> and never found it through the osmosis of goodness. Not one time did she respond to goodness. But when she fell dead, she did respond.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

End of side one<\/strong><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Side 2<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Conversational) Take care of them. When they do that, they\u2019ll be all right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m not only working in here<\/i>, but some people outside of this room of course believe in what I represent, and so I just gave a promise to somebody that is in a condition that seems to be death<\/i>, but they\u2019ll be all right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Calls out) It matters not\u2014 (Tone moderates) Now, if you had come along some time ago, we might have listened to you. But you people, you come along with books<\/i> that don\u2019t even make sense, your black book was written by a white king, that was written by a racist king at that, who sent the first Good Ship Jesus to Africa to bring back slaves. In the name<\/i> of Jesus, he brought your ancestors here. In the name<\/i> of Jesus, he killed and crucified my<\/i> ancestors, the Indians. In the name of Jesus, King James murdered the early white colonists, even, that opposed his system. Now you people come with a little black book, that doesn\u2019t know which way heaven is, it can\u2019t even tell you how Jesus was born<\/i>. It is so confused, that black book you\u2019ve got, called the King James Bible, it\u2019s so confused \u2014 and I\u2019m talking about the books of Mohammed and every one of the rest of them, all<\/i> the books of Abraham, they\u2019re so confused<\/i>, that if you read them, you\u2019ll find that Abraham gets younger<\/i> as his children get older<\/i>. Or if you read about Jesus, you will find that Jesus has one set of grandparents in Luke, and he\u2019s got another set of grandparents in Matthew, and\u2014\u00a0but he\u2019s got 15 more grandparents, as you trace him back to Abraham, in Luke 3, as he does in Matthew 1. It doesn\u2019t know whether Jesus\u2014\u00a0what he was born, went to Egypt to flee from King Herod, or whether he stayed and kept the feast of the Passover every year in Jerusalem with his parent, because one chapter in the Bible said he c\u2014\u00a0stayed every year, and kept the feast of the Passover. The other chapter says he went over to Egypt. One chapter says he died amixed three\u2014\u00a0amongst three thieves. And all three thieves railed<\/i> upon him. Another chapter says, only one refused to. The ones rebuked the others, and Jesus said to that thief, this day, thou shall be with me in Paradise. Your Bible, your King James Bible, written by the racist king of England, who brought the first ship Jesus to bring back our people in chains, in slavery, he said so many things in so many different places, he was like the town gossip<\/i>. You don\u2019t know what was true or what wasn\u2019t true. He said Jesus would be three<\/i> days in the belly of the earth. He would be dead for three days, this temple will lay three<\/i> days, and then it\u2019ll rise. Yet you have a Good<\/i> Friday service at high noon, and you celebrate his rising on Sunday morning, and the Bible said that he died on Friday and he rose on Sunday. (Pause) That, my child, only means about a day and a half. If you can stretch Friday evening, or Friday at 3 or noon, if you can stretch that from Sunday morning at 6, if you can stretch that into three days, then you\u2019re a bigger liar than King James.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So you see, what you need to get today is something that works<\/i>. And I would say that I\u2019m\u2014 am in admiration of many people who have found their own black religion and their own Indian religions these days. They have found Indian religions, particularly an Indian group, where the leader\u2014\u00a0one of the leaders [mostly likely Dennis Banks], I\u2019m in contact<\/i> with him, just sent him some supplies to Wounded Knee, they were trying to conduct their religious festival in South Dakota, and the governor [Richard F. Kneip] refused to let them have their ancient festival this year, first time in all the history, and the FBI and the Treasury Department all stopped them, and walled them around, so that they cannot worship the Great Spirit. But he is a leader that has\u2014\u00a0is living primitively<\/i>, living without anything, giving to his people. And I\u2019m all<\/i> for you getting a religion that will work. I\u2019m only here, because I have not found anything else that would work better<\/i>. I wanted to join the Muslims, but the\u2014 they would tell me that uh, as on last Sunday, I had to jump off this t\u2014 pulpit and run down there, because they called one of my sisters over there, who is black, they called\u2014\u00a0one of their men called her a yellow bitch. (Pause) Over there she is. And I walked down and I said, uh what\u2014 uh what kind of business is this, that we call peoples names like this? Well, the person who said it, naturally, it\u2019s not our will<\/i> that we do this. Well, I went on upstairs and I had a few words with the leader, and I said we can\u2019t ha\u2014 we can\u2019t cooperate<\/i> that way. And now, when we build a racism in reverse, that begins to look at the shade of somebody\u2019s skin, and because one is a little lighter black, and we call them a yellow bitch, there[\u2018s] no way I can get with this. Because I was very interested in becoming a part of the Muslim movement<\/i>. Well, that\u2019s going to shock some of you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I wanted to make a identification and a communication with the Muslims<\/i>, because I saw them doing something<\/i> to give black identify and black pride. But the problem is, (stumbles over words) it\u2019s good for them, and it\u2019s workable for many conscientious people there, but I don\u2019t like seeing that Rolls Royce sitting out on the street out here, every Sunday. That Rolls Royce worth thirty-five or forty thousand dollars bothers<\/i> me. I think we could use<\/i> that more acceptably<\/i> for land. And I understand that many of their leaders, or many of their workers, have that kind of feeling, that the leaders should have this. I don\u2019t think we need leaders in Rolls Royces. I think we need leaders<\/i> down on the level with their people. Now, don\u2019t get mixed up by these robes. It\u2019s a old workshirt under here. These are used robes that folks had when they were in far worse churches than Muslims. Now if I were going to join any church, it\u2019d be the Muslims. But I can\u2019t join the Muslims, because of some things like that. I can\u2019t join the Muslims because they don\u2019t keep a tight enough control on some of their leaders. The man next door who was a kindly sort of hippie, he\u2019s beat nearly to death two days ago. He lays in a bed. I went over to visit him. And of course, there\u2019s two sides of every story. But I\u2019ve never seen him raise a finger<\/i> to anyone. I\u2019ve never seen him do a harm<\/i> to anyone. And I went down and talked to the brothers today, and I said, why<\/i> is he beaten like that? Said, well he\u2019d said something to one of our sisters. Well, uh, a\u2014 indeed, that\u2019s all right. I think we need to protect<\/i> our sisters. Long enough we haven\u2019t. But if\u2014 ah, in front of our church is a white parking zone, front of their<\/i> church is a white parking zone. They\u2019re not supposed to use ours, we don\u2019t use theirs. And this man\u2019s church next to ours, he has a white parking zone. And someone was parking at\u2014 in\u2014 in that zone. Well, as a result of him asking to move, or whatever he did, he was beaten<\/i> within an inch of his life. I saw<\/i> him today, and my sisters were out there and saw what happened. They not only stopped<\/i> him, but they beat him so badly that his ear<\/i> is off, part of his ear, with a claw hammer. They beat him so badly that a\u2014 the backbone<\/i> shattered in\u2014 and nearly severed his spine. Now I feel that we need blacks with power, and we need<\/i> black identity, and we need to have a determination that nobody\u2019s going to walk over us, but we should not let violence<\/i> get out of control, (voice strengthens) and that\u2019s what some of our people are doing today, they\u2019re letting violence get out of control.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. Now as I say, the CIA can plant some people in any movement. [An] Intelligence agency is quite capable of planting a bad person in a Muslim faith as they are planting one in here. She looks very nice, elderly sister, and claps her hands, you would think she thinks I\u2019m God, but she don\u2019t<\/i> know that I am<\/i> God, and I know what the hell she\u2019s up to.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. See, God<\/i> is a static principle that anyone can find. Anyone can determine to be God, if they wish to be<\/i>. If you\u2019ll sacrifice your own selfishness, and lay down your own will, then you<\/i> can have this abstract principle as an incarnate reality in your body. Oh, it doesn\u2019t come easily. Don\u2019t think it will. It comes through much<\/i> self-denial in practice. It comes through much<\/i> struggle and suffering. It comes through the giving of yourself entirely to principle, to justice, to goodness. God, they say, is love<\/i>. Then you must give yourself wholeheartedly to that principle.<\/p>\n

Now, I have given it so much that you saw them stab me, and you saw me get right up. You saw them shoot<\/i> me one time, in our annual meeting, before 400 of you, they shot<\/i> me, and I didn\u2019t even want the uh, the person to be hurt. Because I do<\/i> have love that wants to restore. And even though the people put their fingers through the holes\u2014 and there were three<\/i> of them, they said, I didn\u2019t bother to look, \u2018cause I don\u2019t find help<\/i> by looking at holes. My help does not come from looking at holes. But they dug them out, and said, you\u2019ve got<\/i> to get to a doctor. I said, if I do, I\u2019ll end up being what I am. Not for you, you should use doctors. You should use them completely. But I\u2019ve reached to a certain place that\u2014 and uh, at that moment a doctor couldn\u2019t have helped me an inch<\/i>. He\u2019da got nervous<\/i>. And he might have made me<\/i> nervous. All I needed was just a few faithful people, and one of the most faithful things, they brought my old dog up beside me. And my dog licked me, and I knew that nobody\u2019d be as good to my old dog as I was, and Sister Inez over there, she said s\u2014 a few words, I don\u2019t remember, I went unconscious for a minute, I don\u2019t remember what she said. But you said, oh, you can\u2019t go, or something, my God, my God, you can\u2019t go, and you kept saying something over me, as they\u2014 as the blood was flowing out of my chest. What<\/i> was it you said?<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> (Reply too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You reminded me of who I was. I remember that.<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> I was repeating Ezekiel 16 and 6, that says, as I pass by thee, Jim Jones, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee, live. Yea, I said unto thee, when thou wast in thy blood, live, and I just kept repeating\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Say\u2014\u00a0say that again, now, loudly, because when you<\/i> said that, it renewed\u2014 (Pause) Will you say it now?<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> As I pass by thee, Jim Jones\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You see\u2014 you see, I\u2019ve got power like that. I can just hit<\/i> microphones. I can just hit<\/i> a microphone, because I\u2019m silly<\/i> enough to believe<\/i> in what I am. And if it works, honey, you better get on my team.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> As I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now this is not just one time, I do that all the time. How many have seen me do it at least 500 times? All right.<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> As I passed by thee, Jim Jones, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee, live. Yea, I said unto thee, when thou wast\u2014 when thou wast in<\/i> thy blood, live. And I kept repeating that, because I knew it would stop blood. That\u2014 I have done it with other people.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You believed in me<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> I<\/i> believed you. I believed you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And you believe in what I was\u2014<\/p>\n

Inez:<\/b> That\u2019s right\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014and you reminded<\/i> me of what I was, and because of that, I heard that cry going out, a cry of desperation, and so when the registered nurses and the medical people were putting their\u2014 swabbing out those holes, I said, leave<\/i> them alone. That\u2019s what I said. I don\u2019t recommend that for anyone but me, but it works for me. I said, leave<\/i> them alone. I went back into the meeting, and a young man back there, standing on the wall, he had epileptic seizure after epileptic seizure, but I\u2019ve never had to heal him once since then, he\u2019s never had another epileptic seizure in my<\/i> midst. That night, he went into a terrible seizure, and I healed him, and I preached the whole<\/i> night long. All I did was just drink a lot of water<\/i>, but I stayed on the scene.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, it\u2019s indeed beautiful to find<\/i> that this principle is as incarnatable as the smile of a child. It is incarnatable, if you will practice it. But you have to practice to be the virtuoso of Godship degree. You can get a sixty percent level, the Scripture speaks of it, sixty-fold, thirty-fold, but there\u2019s a hundredfold, a place where you\u2019re one hundred percent in the mind<\/i>, and the mind<\/i> is in you, and the energy of God become identical<\/i> with your nature, and your will<\/i> become identical with the will of the (unintelligible; phonetically, “sunnom bunnom”) of the highest order of existence, the will of Truth, the will of Justice, the will of Socialism. Now it is so effective\u2014 it is so effective that that is only one<\/i> time out of many. My young man who\u2019s in the sheriff department was shot in the head, but I stopped it, and he got up and walked away from the mayflower\u2019s\u2014 and he\u2019s someplace around now in the building. Two of our sisters\u2019 sons were shot, brains shattered with bullets. They got up upon my command, upon my word, they got up, and walked away from their hospital. Sister Peterson [probably Rosa Lee Peterson], what is it\u2014\u00a0(Pause) her son, and Sister\u2014\u00a0what\u2019s the other sister? What\u2019s the other sister, the Indian sister? Well, you know who I\u2019m speaking of. She testified last night. Another miracle. Because she believes<\/i> in me. Had some other dramatic miracle. Somebody\u2019s back was healed. \u2018Cause we had a great miracle last night, a sister had a\u2014\u00a0was told by this sister of a healing she\u2019d<\/i> received, and been told about this gun that had shot and been fired into the body of this person\u2019s head, and they got up and walked away, when they said they would never walk or talk again<\/i>, and this woman had a broken back. She said, let me have the picture of this man. And they put her (laughs)\u2014 They put the\u2014\u00a0She put that picture in, what\u2014 Oklahoma, was it, Oklahoma City, put that picture (draws out word) all around her\u2014 her back, and got up<\/i>. She got up and she went out, and they said to her, you better see another doctor. She got out and she made them cut that cast off her back, (Pause) and she went to another doctor, and the doctor said uh\u2014 She said, my back\u2019s been broken. He looked at her and said, no, it hasn\u2019t. Then she said, well, it\u2014\u00a0They said<\/i> it was, and said, I got healed. He said, you\u2019re crazy woman, it has not. She said, well, I\u2014 I (stumbles over words) tell you, I was over at the hospital, and he called up and jawed the hospital. He said, you put a woman in a cast that never had her back broken. And she said, I just laughed, and let them argue, because she said, I<\/i> know it was broken, they wouldn\u2019t have put<\/i> me in the cast and put me in the hospital<\/i> and hung me up there in traction, but she said, she got herself out\u2014 she had to first crawl<\/i> to do it. She started to crawl, but by the time she got on the street, she was even moving that cast, because she was believing in God being in me, and (calls out) it caused God to come out in her.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Haven\u2019t you got enough pictures? (Pause) You people got enough pictures now that ought to chase all the rats away in every town.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) It\u2019s truly wonderful. (Pause) And I would like to teach somehow to do this, and I\u2019m working on that, I\u2019m working on teaching a school of gods, but it\u2014\u00a0some of them are slow learners. (Pause) They don\u2019t have enough faith in themselves in that area. They\u2019re tremendous geniuses in other areas, but they don\u2019t have enough faith<\/i> in that area. But after a while, I\u2019ll get somebody, because I have promised you that I will always be sitting here, (Pause) that my voice and my ideas and my justice-sense, and my emancipation-courage<\/i> will always be sitting here. I\u2019ve said<\/i> that. So if this body happens to be utilized just a bit too much by all the energy I put out, I\u2019m going to have somebody else to sit here and be able to know the thoughts like I have, be able to discern the intents of the hearts like I have, and be able to cause the cripples to get up out of the wheelchairs like I did just this yesterday, and the service the other Sunday. I\u2019ll have somebody to do it, because I made you a promise, and I prophesy according to my measure of faith<\/i>. I said to you three weeks before Dr. Ellsberg [Daniel Ellsberg, Pentagon analyst who leaked Pentagon Papers] was released, I said, I\u2019ve had enough<\/i> of that. I\u2019ve had enough of him being the whipping boy for Mr. [Richard] Nixon. I said, I\u2019m gonna f\u2014 free<\/i> him in three weeks without a trial. And I did it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. (Pause) I said to you that I was going to bring this Watergate, and I was going mix up mu\u2014 uh\u2014\u00a0Nixon. It\u2019s gonna start in his stomach, gonna end in his mind. (Pause) You\u2019re going to find him loony<\/i> before it\u2019s through.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Very well, my child. There\u2019s<\/i> the young man that was uh, saved that was shot<\/i>, walking right there, one of the sheriff\u2019s officers. Shot in the head. Came wi\u2014 right out of the scene without any harm, trying to protect someone\u2019s life, and he got shot in the head. Now you look in his eyes, you that don\u2019t believe things, you look in his eyes. I know it seems weird. Just walk up and down. (Pause) Just look at him. On your life, you\u2019re telling, that\u2019s the truth, isn\u2019t it, my son. All right, now, take a look, \u2018cause I want to stir up a faith in you, not<\/i> necessarily to get you healed of your arthritis or your back aches, but to get you healed of this racist<\/i> image that you hold of yourself, so that you can get emancipated, and be able to go out there and turn this world<\/i> upside down.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So I\u2019m declaring unto you, to find that which works, and to hold on to it. If you can find any leader better than I, you let me go to him. I\u2019ll teach him some of the things that I only can do in the world today, through this great spirit, this great spirit of socialism. That\u2019s what the great Indian spirit was. They put the tribes<\/i>\u2014\u00a0the collective above the individual competition. They didn\u2019t believe that individuals should cutthroat<\/i> each other to try to get ahead, they believed in cooperation, and a bunch of honkies came over here, and destroyed a great utopian dream<\/i>. Well, I\u2019m reviving it. My Indian spirit has certain acumen that you\u2014 you won\u2019t be able to find anywhere. You won\u2019t find<\/i> anyone that can raise the dead like I can. You won\u2019t find<\/i> anyone that can do these miracles. You won\u2019t find<\/i> anyone that can walk on water, like I did before your eyes. You\u2019re not going to find<\/i> anyone that can do some of these stunts<\/i>\u2014 (short laugh) I\u2019m dealing with somebody back there that understand “stunt.” Whatever you want to call it, it\u2019s quite a trick<\/i>, baby, to walk out, and cause the sharks to move.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what I did last year in Mexico. (Pause) All of us wanted to vacation, and I vacation with all of our people, because I don\u2019t believe<\/i> in having something that my people can\u2019t have. This week\u00a0next, we\u2019re going on a vacation together, gonna go all through the nation, gonna go to Washington, going to go into Congress. We\u2019re the only church that ever sit in the House of Representatives, in the seats where the congressmen sit on one of the\u2014\u00a0We were the first church that did so, and we\u2019re going back to see several of them this time, and tell them what we want for the people. Then we\u2019re going to tour around\u2014\u00a0But last year, we went to Mexico, to have a little time of vacation. Got down there, and there was no sun. That\u2019s not any fun, when there\u2019s no sun. (Pause) So I said, let there be light. And the light came. We had sun. You<\/i> were there. You<\/i> know.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We got pictures of it. They\u2019ve got pictures of it. I think you can see<\/i> some of them downstairs, they\u2019ll let you see them, where the sun comes out\u2014 someone happened to capture it with a picture, as the sun\u2019s coming out. I said\u2014 You mean you caused the sun to shine. Whether I caused the sun to shine or moved clouds, have you found anybody lately that can move clouds?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> No. (Laughter)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Don\u2019t you worry about what I did. We got the sun on the beach, and we were the only<\/i> beach that had it, so Mexicans were coming up to use our beach, because one hundred yards down, there was clouds<\/i>. One hundred yards up, there were clouds<\/i>. But right where we were, wherever one of my followers who\u2019s 98 years of age took her first swim in the ocean\u2014\u00a0she was dying when she came to me, she came sight unseen. But she believed there was God. And she left Philadelphia and drug herself here. Now she\u2019s 98 years, cookin\u2019 in our senior citizen uh\u2014\u00a0home every<\/i> day, cooking, making other people happy, our black sister up here.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So I say, use<\/i> what works for you. That worked for us. We had a shark problem down there. So I walked out on the water, and I said to the sharks\u2014 sharks listen to me better than people, I\u2019ve got some people down here painting their nails when they should be listening, and some of them chewing<\/i> their nails. And one sister don\u2019t know whether to run\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s holding her Bible tight.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter, light applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You gotta go by love, child. There only one thing to test anything\u2014 even Jesus<\/i> said, whosoever loveth is born of God. By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, because you have love. Jesus denied the Bible. Jesus throwed a ringer around that Bible and said, get rid of it. Yes, he did. Nehemiah and Numbers said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth<\/i> for a tooth. Jesus come along, and he said, no<\/i> longer so. Said, we\u2019re going to have to reason together. You\u2019ve got to love<\/i> your enemies, and do good to those that despitefully use you. Now you may not like his teaching, but it\u2019s contrary to the old Bible. The old<\/i> Bible said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, a hanging for a hanging. Murder for murder. Jesus said, no. Resist<\/i> not evil. He said, it\u2019s been said of old times \u2014\u00a0you remember what he said \u2014\u00a0it\u2019s been said of old times, that meant it was said in the Bible, it\u2019s been said in the old Bible, of old times that you do this, but he said, I say, it\u2019s no longer so<\/i>. So Jesus threw out Bibles that didn\u2019t work for him, and I\u2019m throwing out some Bibles that don\u2019t work for me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Jesus did not choose<\/i> to live by an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth doctrine. And they followed<\/i> that doctrine through Martin Luther King. Clear up, they been trying that doctrine. And I live by that doctrine, up till Martin Luther King. And I was getting shot every other week, or poisoned. General Hospital said, what was it, I\u2019ve forgotten, how many\u2014<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/b>(unintelligible word) \u2014kill ten horses.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Enough to kill ten horses, and I had to go through that. And I was living very conscientiously by that Bible that you are saying is so important, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, I said, that\u2019s the Old<\/i> Testament, we can\u2019t live that way. We\u2019re going to try to live by love. And we\u2019re going to love, and we\u2019re going to overcome evil with good, and if the people slap us on the one cheek, we\u2019re gone turn the other. Well, I turned this cheek, I turned that cheek, I turned both cheeks of my rear end\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I run out of cheeks<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m being foolish, but you are saved by the foolishness of preaching, I\u2019ve got a parable of meaning here. Now I say that they were shooting<\/i> me, they run over me with a truck and twisted my leg till you wouldn\u2019t want to look at it, and I healed it. And you remember when I jumped off that embassy, I said, you people need a leader, and it can\u2019t be\u2014 unfortunately<\/i>, I can\u2019t be crippled and lead you, because you\u2019re in that mind where\u2014\u00a0if I had a good mind, I would still have to have a good body p\u2014 some people are so superficial. So with all<\/i> the pain that was in my body, I leaped<\/i> off that embassy\u2014 no, I mean off of the Benjamin Franklin Auditorium, and leaped<\/i> onto that cement, because I\u2019ve just been foolish enough to try that which works, and from that moment on, I been running like a deer, and the doctor said that I would never<\/i> be able to run again. But I did, and you saw it, and it was as big as a small elephant\u2019s leg, but I\u2019ve been running on it ever since, and it sure doesn\u2019t have one little scratch or one little blue<\/i> mark on it, and if you think you can outrun me, some of these boys that are 17 or 18 are not able to outrun me, and if you uh, want to really see me run, just call one of my sisters like was called last Sunday, and I was down to the church in one minute flat, and upstairs. I can get awfully fast and get where I want to go pretty<\/i> rapidly, when someone picks on my children. And you should get a leader that looks after you. If you can find one that looks after you better than I do, then you let me know who he is, and I\u2019ll join him. But I been looking everywhere. As I said, I set down to confer with the Muslims about coming in, and they said, I cannot bring this one or that one in. They wanted to reject one that was a Greek<\/i>. Why, he\u2019s the best freedom fighter I\u2019ve got. I couldn\u2019t reject my Greek. He wanted me to reject\u2014 They wanted me to reject my Jewish\u2014 I\u2019ve got\u2014\u00a0The best black liberationist in this church are Jewish. Dr. [Richard] Tropp down here, who\u2019s lost 60<\/i> of his relatives, 60<\/i> of his people were burned in the gas oven. He fights for blacks, he fights for Jewish, he fights for every underprivileged\u2014\u00a0Arabs<\/i>, no matter who<\/i> they are. You think I\u2019m going to join something that my people can\u2019t join? No<\/i>. So that\u2019s why I\u2019m still here. But the day\u2014\u00a0the day they\u2019ll stop putting their leaders in Rolls Royces, the day they stop putting so much money in things that the honky system builds, the day that they will say, if you act like black in heart, if you will act free in heart, don\u2019t make any difference how much you\u2019re mixed up\u2014\u00a0\u2018cause everybody got a little mixture. (Pause) I look at Elijah Muhammad, and Elijah Muhammad don\u2019t look like he\u2019s all black. (Pause) If he\u2019s all black, somebody<\/i> slipped in there\u2014\u00a0with somebody\u2014\u00a0somewhere. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Voice rises throughout) And I know<\/i> that I\u2019m black, and I\u2019ve got a little bit of this and I\u2019ve got a little bit of that, I got a little Indian, I got a little Jewish, and I\u2019ve a little Scotch, and I\u2019ve got some Welsh, but I recognize that I couldn\u2019t begin to identify what I am. So black is a consciousness<\/i>. Black is a disposition<\/i>. To act against evil<\/i>. To do good. So I\u2019m not going to sa\u2014\u00a0uh\u2014\u00a0to\u00a0typify<\/i> people and labelfy\u2014\u00a0uh, label people and typecast. S\u2014 One of the blonde-headed woman here was the first one to join me against the racist mob. She got out there and fought with her bare hands. She proved she was black. So I cannot join anybody that won\u2019t accept all of you. I wish I could<\/i>, because we need to get the Muslims, and we need to get the Temple, and we need to get the fine, liberal groups that are in the Jewish<\/i> community, and all those that are radical Protestants, we need to get them together, but everybody wants to do their own thing. We\u2019ve got to get together and unify, or we\u2019re going to be overwhelmed by a common enemy.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We<\/i> get along in here. One of the chief elders in our Los Angeles church is Muslim. He goes to his Muslim worship, and has his reverence for Allah. He in fact says that I am the person of\u2014\u00a0he meant this\u2014\u00a0yu\u2014 gentleman Farad, some time ago, and he declares that I am He, because he says I look like him. Well, I could care less who I am. What I do<\/i> is the important thing. But in my Temple in Los Angeles, our Temple has many<\/i> Muslims, and they\u2019re the best<\/i>. And I\u2019ve got a Buddhist sister here, who was once in a wheelchair. She sees me as Buddha<\/i>. She couldn\u2019t ha\u2014\u00a0she couldn\u2019t get anything<\/i> work for her, if she saw me as Jesus. Said, didn\u2019t work, till she saw me as Buddha<\/i>. And the brother down there that got healed of a cancer, who was a Muslim, and he\u2019d gone to his mosque faithfully, he was dying of cancer, he had three operations, last night, he was given another revelation, called up, you know, at the end of the aw\u2014 the meeting. That man said, I could\u2019ve never got anything<\/i> from you, seeing you as Jesus, because, he said, I\u2019d seen a white Jesus shoved down my throat too long. But he said, one day, that you said, I\u2019ve come in the spirit of Allah, Jehovah and every other good<\/i> thing, he said, that was it<\/i>, and I got healed<\/i> when I saw you as Allah<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I don\u2019t care what you see me as. You can see me as a pussycat<\/i>. If pussycats work for you, child, then you see me as a pussycat, and I\u2019ll just meow till I get you free<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Ministerial fervor) I won\u2019t be particular of what you call me, as long as it works good for you. I won\u2019t care what you say to me, as long as it makes you a better person. (Pause) (Conversational)Now some of these people, these Christians\u2014 these Christians get nervous, and it\u2019s amazing that blacks get nervous about Christianity quicker than whites. (Small laugh) Now white people will sit, and they\u2019ll listen to me, but black people get nervous. You\u2019d act like\u2014\u00a0You\u2019re acting like you\u2019re defending your faith. (Pause) You act like you are defending your faith<\/i>. You remember how you became Christian, don\u2019t you? (Pause) The b\u2014 writer of the Bible that you carry around\u2014 one woman carried it up here one day, and I had to protect one of my brothers, Johnny. She had it in the front row. She gonna protect that Bible, said, he\u2019s talking against the Bible, and pulled out a icepick, and if I hadn\u2019t stopped her dumb, she\u2019da stabbed him to death. (Pause) She was black, and she was defending Christianity. (Voice rises to ministerial cadence) She forgot that Christians<\/i> brought our black people here in chains<\/i>. We were the proudest and the freest<\/i>. We had a great<\/i> culture. We had a great<\/i> civilization. They brought our princes<\/i> and our kings<\/i> here, and they couldn\u2019t do anything with the first lot. They killed \u2018em off right and left. But the next<\/i> lot, they set \u2018em down and gave \u2018em a dose of white man\u2019s religion.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Chained us\u2014\u00a0Chained our grandparents. I know, my\u2014\u00a0one of my leading secretaries here, her grandmother refused. They tried to teach us stuff on the boat. She said, I won\u2019t have it. Sister Collier [probably Leona Collier]. Said jumped\u2014\u00a0She jumped off the boat with her chains on, and died. She didn\u2019t want to be any white man\u2019s nigger. She\u2019d rather die. And that\u2019s what the Jews determined in Warsaw. They\u2019d rather die<\/i> than become Jews for fascism. But a lot of folk got over here, and they thought they\u2019ll hold on to life. Now that\u2019s\u2014\u00a0we got\u2014\u00a0why I say, we gotta change<\/i> our tone now. I\u2019ve reverted back to this. I am no longer going to turn<\/i> every other cheek. I will say, I will never pick up the knife. I will never pick up the gun. But Jesus\u2019 teachings don\u2019t work today in America.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirring.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Peace. They don\u2019t work today in America. When I was turning my cheek, those hillbillies, and those Okies, those honkies from Yellow Flaps were coming out of the hills, shooting me, poisoning me every other day, \u2018cause they said, Jim Jones will always<\/i> turn the other cheek. But when I announced that I\u2019d turned my cheek, I said, I\u2019ve run out of cheeks. (Pause) We\u2019ve had one-one-hundredth of the assassination attempts that we had formerly. If I stood here and told people, when they was trying to give us\u2014 people tried to do harm to us, even in this town\u2014 There\u2019s one reason they don\u2019t both us. They know we\u2019re gentle. They know we wouldn\u2019t hurt anybody. We pick up every little wounded animal, every little wounded bird, we\u2019ve got \u2018em in baskets back here, every service, healing<\/i> them, nursing them, bringing them back to health. We won\u2019t touch one<\/i> of you. But if you touch one of us, you\u2019d better be prepared to die.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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