{"id":28015,"date":"2013-06-16T00:18:02","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:18:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28015"},"modified":"2024-10-19T15:06:12","modified_gmt":"2024-10-19T22:06:12","slug":"1024-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28015","title":{"rendered":"Q1024 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.\u00a0Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>, Pt. 3<\/a>).<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/strong>\u00a0Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>None<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/strong>\u00a0Fall 1974 (Nelson Rockefeller nominated as Vice President)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Temple members in congregation, full name unknown:<\/em>
\nDon
\nJanet
\nLisa
\nVelma
\nSharon (numerous in Temple)
\nDaughter of Sally Stapleton
\nRose, sister of Eva Pugh
\nSister Swinney, sister of Eva Pugh<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Temple members:<\/em>
\nGeraldine Bailey
\nTeddy Ballard
\nChristine Bates
\nJack Beam (speaks)<\/strong>
\nFrances Buckley (speaks)<\/strong>
\nLuna M. Buckley, aka Minnie Buckley (speaks)<\/strong>
\nTerri Buford
\nMary Ann Casanova
\nAva Cobb, aka Ava Brown
\nHazel Dashiell
\nDebbie Evans
\nPat Grunnet
\nArchie Ijames (speaks)<\/strong>
\nRosie Ijames
\nClara Jackson
\nMarceline Jones
\nMarceline LeTourneau (speaks)<\/strong>
\nAlice Moton
\nEva Pugh
\nJames Pugh
\nEdith Roller (speaks)<\/strong>
\nLaurence Schacht
\nSally Stapleton
\nTim Stoen
\nJoe Swinney
\nVirginia Vera Taylor (speaks)<\/strong>
\nMary Tschetter
\nDiane Wilkinson speaks)<\/strong>
\nJoe Wilson<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/em>
\nPresident Richard Nixon
\nJohn F. Kennedy, former president
\nFranklin D. Roosevelt, former president
\nEleanor Roosevelt, wife of FDR<\/div>\n
Robert F. Kennedy, assassinated U.S. Senator
\nU.S. Senator Edward M. \u201cTed\u201d Kennedy (D-Mass.)
\nFormer U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-Wisc.)
\nU.S. Senator George McGovern (D-S.D.)
\nU.S. Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.V.)Henry Kissinger, National Security Adviser, Secretary of State
\nGeorge Wallace, Alabama governor, presidential candidate
\nNelson Rockefeller, vice presidential nomineeAdolf Hitler
\nFrancisco Franco, dictator of Spain
\nNikita Khrushchev, Soviet Premier
\nJawaharlal Nehru, first Prime Minister of IndiaDavid Berg, aka Moses David, leader of Children of GodBrother Poole, preacher
\nMaddie B. Poole, wife of Brother Poole
\nBishop Crane, President of the Baptist Churches of Texas<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Temple adversaries; members of Concerned Relatives:<\/em>
\nSteve Buckmaster [phonetic]
\nJim Cobb
\nTerri Cobb Pietela
\nClara Phillips (by reference)
\nJanet Phillips
\nWayne Pietela
\nLinda Swaney
\nMickey Touchette<\/div>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>
\nBible verses cited:<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Editor’s note<\/strong>: The verses below appear in order of biblical reference, not as they appear in Jim Jones\u2019 address. For a complete scriptural index to the sermons of Jim Jones, click here<\/a>.)<\/i><\/p>\n

    “Get to know your leader, get to know your God. By so doing, you\u2019ll be\u00a0like\u00a0him, and maybe reproduce something greater in your own likeness.” (reference to Genesis 1:26, “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness\u2026”)<\/p>\n

    \u201cBe your brother and sister\u2019s keeper\u2026 That\u2019s what we need to be, brothers\u2019 and sisters\u2019 keepers.\u201d (Genesis 4:9, \u201cAnd the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper?\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cTalk about God and make the rain, and God stop the sun.\u201d (Joshua 10:12-14)<\/p>\n

    References to sexual passages in Song of Solomon and Book of Ruth.<\/p>\n

    \u201c[The Bible] even tells, kill your children, it\u2019s all right, it\u2019s in the Book. Let the she-bears eat up the children, yeah. Old Elisha, bald-headed Elisha. Somebody come by the way and laughed at him because he had a bald head. Little children sometimes tease people with bald heads, so they laughed at him and said \u201cbald-headed man.\u201d All they said, you\u2019re a bald headed man. He called down the she-bears, he got Jehovah God, the Lord thy God, he called him down, had all those children killed up. All those children eaten up by the she-bears.\u201d (2 Kings 2:23-24, \u201cand as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cThere was only one judgment of the Christians given in Matthew 25. It was, did you feed the hungry, did you clothe the naked, did you take in the stranger, did you go to the prisons and let the captives free? \u2026 If you don\u2019t know anything in that Bible, know that one scripture, Matthew 25. Read it well. There\u2019s only one place that Jesus ever separated the bad folk from the good folk, the sheep from the goats, and he did it on one basis: What did you do for the poor? What did you do for the hungry? What did you do for the naked? What did you do for those in prison?\u201d (Matthew 25, esp. Matthew 25: 32-46)<\/p>\n

    “But enemies never can hurt you until they get somebody from within.\u00a0Always\u00a0treason begins within. Takes a\u00a0Judas\u00a0inside.” (Gospel accounts of Judas’ betrayal\u00a0in\u00a0Matthew\u00a026-27, Mark 14, Luke 22 and John 13)<\/p>\n

    \u201cThat\u2019s why I say, separate yourself from the flesh. Separate yourself from the family ties.\u201d (Luke 14:33, \u201cSo likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cIf you think about who your neighbor is next door to you out in the highways and hedges, \u2026 everybody around here\u2019ll look better<\/em> to you.\u201d (Luke 14, Parable of the Great Dinner, esp. Luke 14:23, \u201cAnd the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI remind myself of that father. If you\u2019re too forgiving, remember that old father in the proverb, his son went out in the pig sty, and he had to get damn low, too, before he realized he needed his father. And when he got back, the son that had stayed<\/em> got mad, because the one that\u2019d been in the pig sty recognized what he had lost. \u2018Course there\u2019s some aspects of the story was stupid<\/em>, you don\u2019t pay somebody for disloyalty, but at least the person who\u2019s made a mistake ought to be able to get back, yet I got a feelin\u2019<\/em> that if some folk did<\/em> come back in this place, others\u2019d get mad and go out. It\u2019s a hell of a job<\/em> bein\u2019 in this role. (The parable of the Prodigal Son, Luke 15:11-32)<\/p>\n

    \u201cPaul [talked about] dung.\u201d (Philippians 3:8, \u201cYea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cDemocrats and Republicans support the system that it\u2019s right to make a profit, no matter who it hurts. The right to love money, which is the root of all evil.\u201d (1 Timothy 6:10, “For the love of money is the root of all evil.\u201d)<\/ol>\n

    Summary<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

    (Editor’s note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Freya Kory. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em>
    \n\u00a0<\/em>
    \nThis sermon, likely recorded in the fall of 1974 in the Redwood Valley sanctuary of Peoples Temple, contains many elements of a Jim Jones address from the period: he excoriates his enemies, especially the traitors who have left the church in the recent past; he speaks of his own divinity, including one suggestion that he is the reincarnation of Christ; he details the sacrifices he has made for the people of the Temple while insisting he hates the praise and adulation he receives in return; and he presents the church as representing the vanguard of Christian socialism. The unique attribute of this tape is that \u2013 in its length of more than two hours \u2013 it includes both the beginning and the end of his remarks, although the tape does not include the beginning of the service itself. Also rare is the tone of the address: while Jones does criticize those who would betray him, his voice rarely rises above the conversational, and at times, becomes almost wistful in introspection.<\/p>\n

    After an unidentified woman offers a testimonial for an introduction, Jones begins his address with a description of a New Religious Movement called the Children of God, and a comparison between that group and his. The two share things in common \u2013 they both protest fascistic tendencies of America, which is why they are both persecuted by the government \u2013 but the Children of God is more hedonistic, and is led by a man known as Moses David who has chosen to separate himself from his followers and to live comfortably in Switzerland. The group supports itself in part by selling David\u2019s poetry which \u2013 as Jones then demonstrates with a reading \u2013 borders on pornographic.<\/p>\n

    Most of those in the congregation join Jones in laughter at the poem\u2019s unconventional imagery. Jones teases that he\u2019ll continue to read \u201cuntil everybody\u2019s smiling, honey,\u201d and then \u2013 a moment later \u2013 adds, \u201cYou\u2019re still not smiling so we\u2019re gonna continue.\u201d He eventually loses a little patience with the holdouts, although his tone is still one of quiet conversation when he says, \u201cYou know it\u2019s a funny thing about you people, you never got bothered when this was in Solomon. Solomon\u2019s full of this. And Solomon couldn\u2019t even rhyme as well as this guy.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Jones eventually singles out one woman who has not applauded, although his complaint about her \u201clack of enthusiasm\u201d initially focuses on another issue.\u00a0 Minnie Buckley stands before the congregation for some time, answering their questions and concerns, but Jones returns several times to her silence in the pews. \u201cMinnie? Minnie? Minnie? You don\u2019t clap when I say things like that. Now that makes us nervous,\u201d he says, \u201c\u2026when I say somethin\u2019 that there\u2019s gonna be judgment visited upon them by the spirit of truth, I want everybody in this house to clap, or I wanna know why<\/em> they\u2019re not clappin\u2019.\u201d A few moments later \u2013 with Minnie Buckley still before the gathering \u2013 Jones makes his command more general: \u201cI\u2019m gonna say this, and I mean this, I mean this seriously for your welfare. Anytime you notice anyone not clapping, anytime you notice anyone not singing, anytime you notice anyone not standing, for their<\/em> sake and<\/em> the group\u2019s sake, you better notice<\/em> them and report it immediately, \u2026 and I mean you\u2019re not being a fink<\/em> to report when you notice people\u2019s bad attitudes.\u201d These exhortations would extend all the way through the last days of Jonestown.<\/p>\n

    By this point in the service, Jones has begun to recite the list of people who have betrayed him, emphasizing the two major defections of the previous year: the Eight Revolutionaries; and a smaller number, led by trusted aide, Linda Swaney.<\/p>\n

    The Eight Revolutionaries, he says, not only betrayed the Temple and the cause for which the Temple stands, but they betrayed \u2013 and continue to betray \u2013 each other. The Temple has them on tape \u2013 including tapes made in bed \u2013 of them plotting against each other, \u201ctalking about killing each other.\u201d But the plotters made the tapes themselves, he adds after a pause, and furnished them to the Temple. \u201cWe don\u2019t sneak in, put no tapes on people. We don\u2019t believe in that. We don\u2019t believe in puttin\u2019 bugs. They gave us their tapes.\u201d<\/p>\n

    He wishes he could have helped the young poeople among the Eight Revolutionaries, just as he wishes he could have done something for Linda Swaney: \u201cshe obviously was telling other people she wanted to go to bed with me, and I didn\u2019t respond to it. I wish I\u2019d even done that. Maybe some way, through the contact, she would\u2019ve felt other than rejected.\u201d He knows he \u201ccan function better sexually than anybody,\u201d he says a moment later, and reflecting upon the fact that he didn\u2019t see her need, \u201cI must say I have some guilt<\/em>. I wish I\u2019da tried it \u2018cause if you go to bed with me, you learn<\/em> somethin\u2019 about yourself.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Despite his claimed prowess, he doesn\u2019t consider it anything other than a tool he has in his toolbox of healing: \u201cit\u2019s all psychotherapy when you\u2019re with me, in bed or at the table or over a cup of tea, it\u2019s all psychotherapy.\u201d He understands frustration and aggression, he says, and whatever it takes to find and root out the cause, that\u2019s what he\u2019s willing to do.<\/p>\n

    Nevertheless, he has already placed the onus of asking for assistance upon the individual Temple member. If someone starts to get caught up in him- or herself, and feels \u201cdefensive\u201d about something \u2013 even if the member has been committed or a good worker \u2013 \u201cmaybe it\u2019s something that we neglected [and] can help you with\u2026<\/p>\n

    \u201cWe want to be your friend,\u201d Jones continues. \u201cWe want to be your comrade. We don\u2019t want to see you get in the hell that [our enemies] are in.\u2026 [E]nemies never can hurt you until they get somebody from within. Always treason begins within. Takes a Judas inside.\u201d<\/p>\n

    During the more contemplative moments in the address, he speaks about the work he has done to ease people\u2019s burdens, the people he has saved and \u2013 throughout it all \u2013 the guilt he can never shed. He praises those who have joined him in working hard for the movement, although he himself would rather not be praised. \u201cI hate<\/em> to be praised,\u201d he says towards the end of the address. \u201cI hate<\/em> to be the centerpiece of the clockwork. I hate to have to set up here and everything revolve around me as the founder of socialism. I hate<\/em> that.\u201d Recognizing that that might run counter to what he has said earlier, he adds, \u201cI never need your claps\u2026 [Y]ou thought I needed your claps, you underestimate my perfection. I\u2019m way beyond that. I don\u2019t need your claps. Only as staging<\/em> for our enemies. That\u2019s the only time I need you to clap.\u201d<\/p>\n

    It is the cause which is holy to him, and to which he call people to have faith. He describes the Temple as the only truly Christian church, because \u2013 as he quotes Jesus \u2013 there is only one criterion upon which Christians will be judged: did they feed the hungry; did they clothe the naked; did they visit the sick and those in jail? Those in Peoples Temple can all answer yes.<\/p>\n

    Moreover, he says he is up front about both their mission and their methods for achieving them. \u201cThey better not get me on the witness stand. I\u2019ll answer their questions. I\u2019ll answer \u2018em very sharply.\u2026 If anybody gets me up and asks me any questions about, what did you do with your healing ministry? And were you using the church to lead people into socialism? I\u2019ll say sure<\/em>! \u2026 So don\u2019t tell me that you haven\u2019t heard. Don\u2019t come up to me and say some time in some court that I took your<\/em> money under false pretenses. Honey, I told you every step of the way<\/em> what I was doin\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n

    As he adds near the end of the address \u2013 summarizing much of what he has said during the evening \u2013 \u201cI been tellin\u2019 you I\u2019d do anything<\/em> \u2013 anything! I said I\u2019d run you through to socialism on my back<\/em> or through my dick<\/em> or wherever I have to bring you, I\u2019ll bring<\/em> you, honey. I said it!\u201d<\/p>\n

    FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

    Date of transcription: 7\/2\/79<\/p>\n

    In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

    On June 14, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B107-36. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

    A recording of a peoples rally led by JIM JONES.<\/p>\n

    Differences with FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

    The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

    Tape originally posted March 2010<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read the Tape Transcript, click here.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here. To return to the Tape Index, click here.\u00a0Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1,\u00a0Pt. 2, Pt. 3). FBI Catalogue\u00a0Jones Speaking FBI preliminary tape identification note: None Date […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":686,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-28015","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28015","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28015"}],"version-history":[{"count":38,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28015\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":128793,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28015\/revisions\/128793"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28015"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}