{"id":28054,"date":"2013-06-16T00:18:12","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:18:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28054"},"modified":"2024-07-15T17:22:58","modified_gmt":"2024-07-16T00:22:58","slug":"161-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28054","title":{"rendered":"Q161 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here.<\/a> Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/b>: Jones speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>Labeled in part “10\/3\/74 Peoples Rally”<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/b> Early November 1978<\/p>\n

People named:<\/b><\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/i>
\nVladimir Lenin, father of Russian Revolution
\nJosef Stalin, Soviet dictator
\nRep. Leo J. Ryan
\nW.E.B. duBois, American black leader (by reference)
\nSamora Machel, president of Mozambique (by reference)
\nMargaret Ackman, leader in Guyana\u2019s People National Congress
\nForbes Burnham, Guyana\u2019s prime minister<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents, full name unknown:<\/i>
\nJohnny (probably Johnny Moss Brown, aka Johnny Jones)
\nJonathan
\nMike (numerous)
\nPatty (several, probably Patty Cartmell)
\nRaymond<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents:<\/i>
\nKarl (most likely Karl Barnett, could be Carlos Bell)
\nMark Cordell (speaks)<\/b>
\nCalvin Douglas
\nTom Grubbs (speaks)<\/b>
\nJann Gurvich (speaks)<\/b>
\nJohn Harris
\nLee Ingram (speaks)<\/b>
\nGwendolyn Johnson (speaks)<\/b>
\nJames Warren Jones, Jr.
\nLew Eric Jones (by reference)
\nMarceline Jones (speaks)<\/b>
\nStephan Gandhi Jones
\nTimothy Glenn Tupper Jones (speaks)<\/b>
\nTish Leroy
\nTeddy (most likely Theodore McMurry)
\nJane Mutschmann
\nKen Norton
\nDale Parks
\nJoyce Parks
\nCynthia Pursley
\nMarilyn Pursley (speaks)<\/b>
\nLarry Schacht
\nWalter Williams<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/b> None<\/p>\n

Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

This tape of a Jonestown meeting from mid-November 1978 \u2013 probably less than ten days before the arrival of Congressman Leo Ryan and the deaths that followed \u2013 shows both the mundane aspects of the community\u2019s existence, as well as the complexities and seemingly contradictory issues which consumed the people\u2019s attention and time.<\/p>\n

Before Jim Jones takes up the issues of the day, Marilyn Pursley \u2013 who has just escorted her developmentally-disabled daughter to Jonestown \u2013 speaks of her remarkable experience in the community during her stay. Marceline Jones follows up the woman\u2019s comments with thanks for her support over the years.<\/p>\n

Following the relatively brief exchange, a young man delivers a speech in dramatic form, portraying an accused political dissenter standing before a firing squad. The sequence ends with the sound of three gunshots. It is difficult to tell if this was a theatrical presentation or an impromptu skit, but it does speak to the tensions and feelings of persecution and defiance which many Jonestown residents expressed in the final days.<\/p>\n

Jim Jones leads the meeting for the balance of the tape. His voice sounds tired at first, but as he warms to the subjects under discussion, he becomes stronger and more certain.<\/p>\n

He begins by saying that, for the third time, someone has tried to poison him. He is tired of the assassination attempts, he says, and if he ever finds out who is behind them, “I\u2019m going to hang you on the highest tree I can find.” He adds that people seem to have forgotten, he is not an ordinary man. The subject remains on his mind, as he returns to the subject several times over the course of the tape.<\/p>\n

His first announcement of import is that a congressman wants to come visit Jonestown. He follows the news with a note of defiance.<\/p>\n

Jones expresses admiration for Lenin, the father of the Russian Revolution, and admits he doesn\u2019t have the capacity that Lenin did to be the hope of the world. He says that he would have liked to have fought by Lenin\u2019s side. Jones segues into a reference to reincarnation, but warns his followers not to talk to outsiders about that. He draws one parallel between his life and Lenin\u2019s, which is the both survived assassination attempts: “they shot him with two bullets with cyanide.”<\/p>\n

(As a contextual aside: In earlier tapes, as well as in letters from Carolyn Layton, Jones had not only talked extensively about reincarnation, but suggested that he was the reincarnation of Lenin. In addition, he may have emulated Lenin on the final day, since he was one of only two people whose deaths at Jonestown were confirmed as being by gunshot wounds. Jones\u2019 autopsy did not reveal any cyanide in his body, although the process of embalming erased the evidence of cyanide from everyone else who was known to have died of cyanide poisoning.)<\/p>\n

While Jones speaks highly of the Soviet Union, his praise is not unconditional. He says that he believes Josef Stalin was a great leader, even if the current leadership of the USSR reviles him, and nothing that anyone can say or demonstrate about Stalin will change his opinion.<\/p>\n

And just as Stalin stood with the Soviet people against Hitler\u2019s Nazis, Jones continues, so will he stand with his own people. However \u2013\u00a0and Jones says this is an advantage the people of Jonestown have \u2013\u00a0they are not afraid to die. Jones does not put this in terms of a suicide threat, per se, but rather speaks of resistance. “We are not defeated. We are not going to be defeated. I don\u2019t give a goddamn how many of you want to defeat us, we shall overcome.”<\/p>\n

The vow to survive persists throughout the evening. Halfway through the tape, Jones again expresses a desire to live: “Twenty-nine years I\u2019ve sweat to build a communist movement, and I did not sweat to have it come over here and die in no fuckin\u2019 jungle.”<\/p>\n

As much as they want to survive, though, the community faces some tough decisions. One is whether they can cut costs by getting rid of the animals at Jonestown, either by killing them or by releasing them back into the wild, which, as Jones points out, amounts to the same thing. Jones opposes the proposal on numerous grounds, ranging from the negligible cost the animals represent, to the joy that they bring, to the cruelty of destroying them, to their basic right to live. He feels as passionately about the animals as he does about the residents. “I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019ve got a complex about me, anybody that comes to me, animal, human, I feel a responsibility.”<\/p>\n

Not only does he plead for the lives of the community\u2019s animals, but in the next portion of the tape, he chastises a child for pulling the wings off a bug. “The world is so full of pain. And that poor bug was still alive when you finished. Still alive. Did you\u2013\u00a0did you tear his wing off? \u2026 [There\u2019s enough] pain in the world without torturing people, or animals.” He recommends first that the young boy go into counseling, then issues a stronger warning: “You go around here and tease dogs, and you tease cats, and by God, we\u2019re going to tease you<\/i>, if you don\u2019t stop it. And we\u2019re going to tease you in the Public Service Union [Jonestown\u2019s disciplinary unit].”<\/p>\n

Continuing in the vein of deploring violence and animal cruelty, Jones talks about the brutality to chickens as they are about to be slaughtered, and says that someday he would like to be a vegetarian. Still later, he talks of resigning his leadership position in Jonestown and going to Africa to fight against U.S. mercenaries. The tone is neither mocking nor threatening, and the words are not of a man who seems to be contemplating his imminent death.<\/p>\n

Jones talks about the upcoming visits from Guyanese government officials, and demands that everyone listen to the tape on Guyana\u2019s political parties. He also reminds them to tell every visitor they meet that they\u2019re happy in Jonestown and wouldn\u2019t live anyplace else, because you never can tell if the visitor “may be a CIA trying to provoke some situation..”<\/p>\n

The conversation turns to exhibition sports \u2013 such as boxing, archery, rugby, tennis and Ping-Pong \u2013 in which Jonestown might be able to field teams to compete with the Guyanese. It is the upcoming basketball tournament in Georgetown that is the subject of the most discussion, though. Jones talks about his past as a basketball player, and gives the team various strategies to pursue, both in terms of plays and in demonstrations of sportsmanship. He suggests, for example, that Jonestown players embrace their opponents before a game starts, and that every time the opponents score during the game, the Jonestown players applaud. Not only does it show appreciation for the other team\u2019s play, Jones says, but it\u2019ll confuse them with kindness. “It\u2019ll blow their minds,” he says several times. The micromanaged coaching style for a tournament more than a week and a distance of 250 miles away continues off and on for thirty minutes.<\/p>\n

There is an object lesson to his advice, he says. If they show “character and grace,” if they respect their opponents, if they decline to argue with the referee, that superiority will communize some of those youth on the competing teams.<\/p>\n

Some of the players resist Jones\u2019 efforts to dictate their playing style, and some openly question Jones\u2019 coaching ideas. That\u2019s not how they play, one says. They use intimidation to gain an advantage over their opponent. Another says taking the time to applaud the other team\u2019s play puts them at a disadvantage with the clock and the fast pace of the game. Still another complains that anyone embracing another player will make the opponent think that the Jonestown player is a “fag.”<\/p>\n

(It should be noted that the members of the basketball team survived the deaths in Jonestown, because they were playing at the tournament mentioned in this tape. It should also be noted that some observers feel the deaths might not have taken place if the team had not been in Georgetown that November weekend, because that meant some of the strongest voices of dissent \u2013 such as those heard on this tape \u2013\u00a0were absent during Congressman Ryan\u2019s visit.)<\/p>\n

Jones replies to the criticisms calmly for the most part (“Okay\u2013 I\u2019m not condemning you\u2026 You can win us lots<\/i> of friends”), although he later flares at the continuing resistance (“I mean it. I\u2019m damned serious about this. \u2018Cause you\u2019ve got in your hands the opportunity to make or break Jonestown”).<\/p>\n

Jones also warns the basketball players about the vices of Georgetown. He reminds one player that everyone knows about his problem of stealing \u2013 a problem that is completely unfathomable, since Jim Jones had saved his life \u2013 and that everyone will be responsible for the young man\u2019s conduct. He tells them to stay away from the girls, and for the girls of Peoples Temple to stay away from the boys during the pre-tournament meetings and parties. “It\u2019s between boys, they\u2019re trying to make fellowship\u2026 And the girls will only be a distraction\u2026 I don\u2019t want somebody get one or more in a corner and getting the damn sex play going, so they won\u2019t be watching our brothers trying to sow good will.”<\/p>\n

The tournament is important to Jones, and he is candid in explaining why: “You can open up the whole door of Guyana to us, to the people. Once the people are behind you, it don\u2019t make no difference what the politicians want\u2026 If these young people go in and make a good name for us, nobody\u2019ll be able to harm us\u2026 [Even] if you lose every game, I don\u2019t give a goddamn, you\u2019ll still have won something in the minds of those people.”<\/p>\n

The subjects of incoming guests \u2013\u00a0including “Americans who will be coming” \u2013\u00a0returns late in the conversation. Jones reiterates the need for people to say they\u2019re glad they\u2019re there, and coaches them on how to answer questions about their diet. He is emphatic in his demand (“Do you all understand that? You better say it, \u2018cause you\u2019ll regret the day you didn\u2019t say it”), because, repeating what he said earlier, “there could be a CIA anywhere.”<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 6\/13\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On May 24, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B68-12. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

A congratulatory speech by a female visitor to Jonestown identified as CYNTHY\u2019s mother on the first few minutes of the tape. This is followed by JIM JONES critizing [criticizing] two boys for killing insects. JONES comments that, “I heard some Congressman wants to come here. I think I\u2019ll tell him to stick it!” The tape concludes with JONES giving the basketball team a pep talk for their upcoming tournament in Georgetown.<\/p>\n

This tape was reviewed and nothing was contained thereon which was considered to be of evidentiary nature or beneficial to the investigation of the murder of Congressman RYAN.<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted February 2003<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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