{"id":28105,"date":"2013-07-25T04:54:09","date_gmt":"2013-07-25T04:54:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28105"},"modified":"2020-09-06T15:48:33","modified_gmt":"2020-09-06T22:48:33","slug":"262-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28105","title":{"rendered":"Q262 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>Labeled in part \u201cPeoples Ralley [Rally] 7-9-78\u201d<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Likely July 11 or July 12 (Rockefeller death on July 10, 1978)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/em>
\nKarl Marx, German economist, father of communism
\n 
\nBen Chavis, civil rights activist
\nMarcus Garvey, Pan-African black nationalist
\nJesse Jackson, civil rights activist
\nMartin Luther King, civil rights activist
\nMalcolm X, black activist with Nation of Islam
\nElijah Muhammad, leader of Nation of Islam
\nWallace Deen Muhammad, leader of Nation of Islam
\nRoy Wilkins, head of the NAACPJohn D. Rockefeller, III, member of family of capitalist titans
\n 
\nThomas Fleming, editor of Sun Reporter
\nHuey Newton, leader of Black Panther Party
\nElaine Brown, Member of Black Panthers
\n 
\nDennis R. Denny, Mendocino county social services director
\nCharles Garry, Temple attorney
\nDonneter Lane, head of the Council of Churches
\nJohn V Moore, father of two Temple members<\/div>\n
Unknown:<\/i>
\nPaul Avery (phonetic)
\nKatie Coleman (phonetic)<\/p>\n

Temple adversaries; members of Concerned Relatives:<\/i>
\nJack Arnold
\nDebby Layton Blakey
\nGrace Stoen
\nTim Stoen<\/p>\n

Temple members not in Jonestown:<\/i>
\nBonnie Beck
\nSandy Bradshaw
\nHarold Hill
\nJim Randolph
\nDanny Rodriguez<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents:<\/i>
\nJack Beam
\nTommy Beikman
\nPatty Cartmell
\nGene Chaikin
\nHarold Cordell
\nRick Cordell
\nEbony Duncan (by reference)
\nRegina Duncan
\nShirelle Evans
\nTom Grubbs (by reference)
\nPhyllis Houston
\nStephan Jones
\nCarolyn Layton
\nMike Prokes
\nCharlie Touchette
\nWalter Williams<\/div>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/strong> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0None<\/p>\n

Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Nicole Bissett. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

Jim Jones leads a community meeting in Jonestown in mid-July 1978. While there are a number of tape edits that rob the meeting of its complete context \u2013 is Jones quizzing his followers on recent news stories and then elaborating upon their answers? Is he fielding questions from the people in attendance? Did he plan to speak on specific issues beyond his main news, or was it stream of consciousness? \u2013 there is no doubt that the Temple leader has called everyone together to discuss the lawsuit<\/a> which his attorneys in California have filed against former member Tim Stoen.<\/p>\n

The lawsuit is liberating in a number of ways. It represents a counter-attack to the actions that Stoen has taken. While it seeks financial damages, its real purpose is to put a number of charges against Stoen on the public record so that the Temple can\u2019t be sued for repeating them. The charges \u2013 if substantiated in court \u2013 will also hurt Stoen where it counts, according to Jones, in that it could result in his disbarment. \u201cThis is better than bullets<\/em>, baby,\u201d Jones exults at one point. \u201cThis is better<\/em> than bullets.\u201d<\/p>\n

And the charges Jones discusses are serious. According to Jones, Stoen advised people how to avoid paying taxes, he took custody of hundreds of guns from Temple members \u2013 guns that never showed up in Jonestown \u2013 and he used his position in the DA\u2019s office of Mendocino County to threaten lawsuits in order to accomplish his own purposes.<\/p>\n

\u201cHis fucking name is gonna be ruined, and that\u2019s worse than him dying,\u201d Jones adds at another point. \u201cWe don\u2019t kill a little old piece of white ass like his. Let him suffer to death!\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones spends time on other topics as well. He has discussed the attractiveness of the people who have given their lives to the cause in other tapes \u2013 and he refers to that here as well \u2013 but he spend more time on the flip side of the coin, criticizing those people who spend time trying to beautify themselves, and reminding them how the physical assets of which they\u2019re so proud will eventually shrivel and fail, and how ugly they will become.<\/p>\n

There are other sexual references in this tape. He reminds his followers about the sexual sacrifices he\u2019s made for the cause. Dying would have been easier, he says. The sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross was less painful than his own, because Jesus\u2019 ordeal ended in the finality of death, whereas his own torment goes on.<\/p>\n

Finally, there are several references to death sprinkled throughout the evening, but his references to suicide are negative. He reports early in the tape that many car accidents are actually suicides of people who \u201cwere tired of \u2026 feeling all the misery of US living,\u201d but if he were to die that way, he\u2019d make sure to find a way to take out a white driver of a big black Cadillac with him. Still, he adds, \u201csuicide \u2026 is wrong, because you owe a debt to society, as long as black people are sufferin\u2019, you haven\u2019t got no right to die and get out of your pain, \u2018till everybody can be out of their pain.\u201d His final words on the tape are also about suicide \u2013 \u201cwe don\u2019t believe in suicide, and that\u2019s the damn truth\u201d \u2013 but this was more likely a talking point for Jonestown residents to tell outsiders.<\/p>\n

Nevertheless, while he never speaks the words \u201crevolutionary suicide,\u201d he uses the same language in an offhand way that he would use on Jonestown\u2019s final day. In a casual and familiar tone, Jones talks about the success of their project and how it might end. \u201cWe\u2019ve had a purpose, and as Jack Beam said, if it didn\u2019t last a day, at least we tried to do something, and we showed an example of what life oughta be, and we stood up and spoke up against the goddamn system, and we laid it out that we were socialist,\u201d he says halfway through the tape, and then a moment later adds, \u201cSo why not die for somethin\u2019 right, rather than die for no reason at all? That\u2019s one thing for sure. You know if you die here, you\u2019ve died for somethin\u2019 right.\u201d<\/p>\n

It is unknown whether Jones was suffering from the impairment of either alcohol of drugs during the evening, although his voice suggests he might have been. His stream of consciousness discourse also seems slightly more exaggerated here than usual. A long discussion about Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, the Black Muslim movement and the Back-to-Africa movement of Marcus Garvey leads Jones to speculate what genuine good King could have done, had he embraced socialism as Jones did, which leads him to discuss how the Temple did it in the states, but how they had to leave before they were taken down by the system, and how well they have done in Jonestown, without the fears they had in their home country.<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 6\/11\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On May 30, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B93-8. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

JIM JONES at \u201cPeople\u2019s Rally\u201d with questions, answers, and criticisms. Announcements follow concerning the TIM STOEN law suit, the death of Rockefeller and a \u201cNew Times\u201d magazine article on HUEY NEWTON, the Black Panther Party (BPP) and ELAINE BROWN..<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted January 2013<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read the Tape Transcript, click here. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1, Pt. 2). To return to the Tape Index, click here. FBI Catalogue\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0Jones Speaking FBI preliminary tape identification note: Labeled in part \u201cPeoples Ralley [Rally] […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":124,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-28105","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28105","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28105"}],"version-history":[{"count":21,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28105\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":101992,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28105\/revisions\/101992"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28105"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}