{"id":28143,"date":"2013-06-16T00:18:28","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:18:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28143"},"modified":"2017-03-09T14:38:48","modified_gmt":"2017-03-09T22:38:48","slug":"380-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28143","title":{"rendered":"Q380 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>Labeled in part \u201cComments Oct. 14\u201d<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Contents consistent with identification note<\/p>\n

People named:<\/strong><\/p>\n

People in attendance at Peoples Temple service<\/em>
\nLouise (last name unknown, died in Indianapolis)
\nMrs. PearsonTemple adversaries; members of Concerned Relatives:<\/em>
\nJim Cobb
\nTim Stoen
\nJoe Mazor (by reference)Other Temple members:<\/em>
\nJim Randolph<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents, full name unknown:<\/em>
\nDiane (numerous in Jonestown)
\nPat (numerous in Jonestown)<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents:<\/em>
\nJohnny Moss Brown
\nEdith Cordell
\nRicky Johnson (speaks)<\/strong>
\nLew Jones
\nMarceline Jones
\nKay Nelson
\nEva Pugh (speaks)<\/strong>
\nAurora Rodriguez
\nMichael Simon
\nTeri Smart (by reference)<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Bible verses cited:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cThe main issue is how you handle the shit. And that is, turn the other cheek.\u201d (Matthew 5:39, \u201cBut I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.\u201d See also Luke 6:29)<\/div>\n

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Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

(Note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Vicki Perry. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

During a meeting in mid-October 1978, Jim Jones faces a Jonestown community that includes some members so unhappy and hostile, that they have attempted to run away or to commit suicide. The leader approaches the crisis in a number of different ways, reminding the would-be suicide that it doesn\u2019t work \u2013 they\u2019ll be back in another life \u2013 telling the people of his own problems, recalling the miracles he has performed over the years, and explaining how true socialists behave, but the theme he returns to the most is how to deal with dissidents.<\/p>\n

While Jones\u2019 attention eventually focuses on the two young men before him, the tape opens with him addressing the crowd as a whole with his oft-repeated critique of how sexual relationships ruin people for socialism. He eventually includes other culprits, such as pop music \u2013 another familiar target \u2013 and explains how even buying an ice cream cone or Coca-Cola supports capitalism and detracts from their mission.<\/p>\n

But the most important message to the community at large that night is that they are avoiding responsibility \u2013 \u201cAll night long I\u2019ve heard people covering their ass\u201d \u2013 and that means, they aren\u2019t communist or even on the road to communism. All that behavior shows how much each person looks out for himself or herself, and that means they still have ego. \u201cCommunism is the end of ego,\u201d he says. \u201cReplace socialist-centric behavior for ego-centric behavior.\u201d<\/p>\n

He deplores the lack of honesty, the refusal of some people to confess their faults, and especially their insistence that they are doing the best they can. \u201cNobody can stand in my face and tell such a lie like that,\u201d he warns, then adds, \u201cWhen are we going to grow up? Are we going to lose this revolution?\u201d The only way to win the revolution, he says a few moments later, is to follow the \u201cgoddamn rules.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones returns to the theme of personal responsibility more than once. After one tape edit \u2013 which apparently has eliminated a contextual introduction \u2013 Jones says he does not have a personal vendetta against Tim Stoen. \u201cI don\u2019t retaliate out of vindictiveness. I don\u2019t seek to avenge my enemies.\u201d Instead, he says, \u201cI seek to find the class enemy and destroy the class enemy.\u201d And Stoen is the class enemy.<\/p>\n

More importantly, though, the people of Jonestown shouldn\u2019t pattern their own behavior on what Stoen has done, or what anyone else does. Socialism does not depend on anything but what each of them does. \u201c[Y]ou sacrifice yourself and to hell with what the rest of people do.\u201d<\/p>\n

Another important piece of the socialist consciousness is guilt, Jones says later. In describing some of his miracles, he says he doesn\u2019t understand his power \u2013 how he does what he does \u2013 but he is compelled to use it. If he didn\u2019t, or if he did and failed, he\u2019d feel guilt. But he also feels the guilt that others have (or should have), just as they themselves should feel the guilt and use that to their benefit. \u201cAs you take guilt and appropriate it in work and appreciation, it becomes the biggest determiner for communism. If you take guilt and resent it and don\u2019t appropriate it properly, it can do nothing for you or anyone else\u2026 [Guilt] is the only thing that can keep an organization moving to the pure goal of socialism.\u201d<\/p>\n

But the problem at hand is the attempted runaway and the attempted suicide. He says that the young men demonstrated signs of insanity \u2013 \u201cIt\u2019s insane to run away three times in a jungle, filled with snakes and perhaps mercenaries\u201d \u2013 and any \u201csane society\u201d has to respond with appropriate measures.<\/p>\n

The remedy is in closed and measured language. \u201cI have a strong feeling that people act like this should never even get out. I think that we want to change the hospital unit \u2026 and give them one whole capacity and we\u2019ll treat you just like do in mental patients.\u201d Later he describes the boys as \u201ctwo basket cases,\u201d and suggests that it\u2019s going to take a while \u2013 he mentions a period of \u201csixteen months\u201d \u2013 to bring them back to stability.<\/p>\n

It is unclear what Jones is specifically proposing to ensure they never get out, or to predict the length of time of some incapacitation, but reports from this time period in Jonestown\u2019s history suggests several dissidents were sedated or drugged.<\/p>\n

Towards the end of the tape, Jones recalls some of the miracles he has performed, even if it is in granting release to people who are suffering from terminal and difficult diseases. He discusses his own thoughts on how he approaches miracles, and the way he feels as he\u2019s performing them.<\/p>\n

He also discusses some of his own spiritual beliefs. \u201cI\u2019m telling you, I don\u2019t believe in anything loving in the universe,\u201d he says, then returns to the subject later. \u201cI don\u2019t believe in ordered universe. I don\u2019t believe any love\u2019s up there that I\u2019ve been able to perceive because it is absolutely unloving.\u201d How can he, he says, when there is so much pain in the world, so much disease and hunger.<\/p>\n

But the discussion has a deeper purpose. Each time he talks about what may or may not be in the universe \u2013 no matter that \u201cI\u2019m a skeptic and a cynic, and no matter how many victories I win, I\u2019m still a skeptic and a cynic\u201d \u2013 there is one thing of which he is sure: The mind doesn\u2019t die with a suicide, but comes back. He describes that characteristic of the universe\u2019s treatment of suicides as \u201cperverse\u201d at one point, and as \u201cdiabolical\u201d at another point, but it is certain: \u201cthe mind supersedes the body\u2026 it goes out of body, it lives on.\u201d Returning to his argument against suicide, he warns, \u201cyou will accomplish nothing by trying to kill yourself.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019m just saying,\u201d he says near the end of the tape, \u201cdon\u2019t fuck with suicide.\u201d<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 6\/18\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On June 4, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B93-111. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

A lecture by JIM JONES on how the people in Jonestown should turn the other cheek.<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 2008<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read the Tape Transcript, click here. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1, Pt. 2). To return to the Tape Index, click here. FBI Catalogue\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jones Speaking FBI preliminary tape identification note: Labeled in part \u201cComments Oct. […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":206,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-28143","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28143","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28143"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28143\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":68748,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28143\/revisions\/68748"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28143"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}