{"id":28202,"date":"2013-08-10T21:28:08","date_gmt":"2013-08-10T21:28:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28202"},"modified":"2016-05-02T13:49:31","modified_gmt":"2016-05-02T20:49:31","slug":"618-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28202","title":{"rendered":"Q618 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>. To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/b>: Identified Individuals Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>One Tracs 60\/4 aped 2 \u00bd x 4 cards attached Gary Lanbrev & Liz Forman<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/b> Spring 1976 (Jones recently spoke with Rosalyn Carter)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/b><\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/i>
\nRep. Burton (either John or Phil), San Francisco congressman
\nJimmy Carter, Democratic presidential candidate (by reference)
\nRosalyn Carter, wife of Jimmy Carter
\nBetty Ford, wife of President Gerald Ford (by reference)
\nGeorge Moscone, San Francisco Mayor (by reference)<\/p>\n

Temple members:<\/i>
\nSharon Amos
\nJean Brown
\nLiz Forman (speaks)<\/b>
\nMarceline Jones
\nTeresa King
\nGarry Lambrev (speaks)<\/b>
\nSandy Parks
\nJoe Phillips
\nGrace Stoen
\nAlan Swanson
\nLinda Swinney<\/p>\n

Unknown:<\/i>
\nBev
\nBruce
\nDianne
\nEva (speaks)<\/b>
\nLiz Forman\u2019s mother (by reference)
\nMrs. Lytell
\nRen\u00e9 (numerous in Peoples Temple)
\nRosa (numerous in Peoples Temple)
\nBert Satz
\nLinda Swinney\u2019s daughter
\nVicky
\nWes Wilson<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/b> None<\/p>\n

Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

(Note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Michael Bellefountaine. The editors gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n

This tape contains a series of phone calls during which Peoples Temple member Garry Lambrev tracks down and then speaks with a friend, Liz Forman, who has recently left the Temple to start a life outside the church. In his efforts, Lambrev cajoles, pleads, lectures, promises and commiserates with Forman. He speaks to her out of the longtime friendship that they have shared, but he also has a somewhat scripted message he needs to deliver from Jim Jones and the Temple leadership. Forman understands his motivations and his predicament \u2013\u00a0she was \u201cused\u201d by Jones and the church several times when Lambrev left the fold \u2013 and says she understands that she is outside of Jones\u2019 \u201cprotection\u201d. Nevertheless, she does not yield.<\/p>\n

The conversation between two old friends is full of affection and gentle bantering, although Lambrev lies to her early in the tape when he tells her that the conversation is not being recorded. In addition, his assigned task to deliver the message from Jim and Marceline gives him a curt tone at times. He starts by saying, \u201cI want you to hear this message. Like, could you just listen to it straight.\u201d At one point several moments later, after they have strayed from the subject at hand, he struggles to return to his task. \u201cNow listen,\u201d he says, \u201cwhy don\u2019t you just let me finish this. I want you to get a coherent idea of what this message is. And if we both bog it down, it\u2019ll make it harder for you to really put the things together.\u201d She responds with quiet encouragement to continue what he has to say.<\/p>\n

As for the message itself, Forman likely knows what it is. Lambrev acknowledges her work, and reminds her of what it\u2019s meant. \u201c[C]onsidering the work that you\u2019ve done\u2026 after all the years of your life that you\u2019ve put in, after all the hells that you\u2019ve been through,\u201d he asks, how can she just throw it away.<\/p>\n

The two return several times to the protection that Jim Jones offers his followers. \u201cJim hates to see you make this mistake,\u201d Lambrev says. \u201cWe really hate to see you burn your bridges behind you, kid. We really do.\u201d This is especially troubling to Lambrev because of the health issues which Forman faces. The woman says she\u2019s no longer troubled by the problems and has made her peace with the possibility of dying as a result of them. \u201cThe thing is, we don\u2019t have choice over the way you\u2019re going to die, Liz,\u201d Lambrev responds. \u201cIt\u2019s likely to be slow and drawn-out, \u2026 just extreme suffering\u2026 You could be lying in a hospital bed for years dying of paralysis, unable to communicate that you\u2019re in pain.\u201d<\/p>\n

Forman\u00a0 acknowledges all of it, but holds to her decision. She asks Lambrev to help her get mail forwarded, she asks his assistance in dealing with some dogs in a shelter, she tells him where some of the materials she used for her Temple work can be found for her successor.<\/p>\n

She also explains her decision on numerous occasions as not being alienated from the principles and goals of the church, but rather questions her own dedication, commitment, and productivity. She is no longer disciplined enough to do what\u2019s expected of her, she says, she\u2019s tired and stressed, and that made her rebellious. And all of it made her feel guilty.<\/p>\n

Lambrev\u2019s concessions don\u2019t help. Jim has told him personally, he says, that Forman can live alone, that she doesn\u2019t have to live communally, that she can return to the larger fold at her own pace. \u201cHe\u2019s beautiful about that,\u201d Forman replies, \u201cbut how do you think I\u2019d feel? Making a special case of myself. Oh, Liz Forman has to live alone because she can\u2019t handle it. What a fucker she is.\u201d<\/p>\n

She also doesn\u2019t want to come back just because she\u2019s sick and needy, and that\u2019s when the conversation becomes passionate. She gives her old friend some of the details of her illness, to which Lambrev replies, \u201cGoddamn it, Liz, you need his protection. You\u2019re worse than a fool.\u201d<\/p>\n

Forman agrees. \u201cSee, the thing is, Garry, I know I need his protection, but I don\u2019t want it anymore. Even if I wanted it, it would be cheap to take it\u2026 I don\u2019t like it when people come back because they are scared.\u201d She disagrees that it\u2019s her ego that\u2019s fragile. On the contrary, she says at the end of the tape, \u201cif I can\u2019t be there for a high reason, then I have no right to be there out of wanting to protect my stupid little body, you see? That\u2019s a very stupid, cheap reason to be in the Temple or to come back to the Temple.\u201d<\/p>\n

[Ed. note: Forman did not return to the Temple, and Lambrev eventually left. They have remained friends over the years.]<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 3\/5\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On March 1, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B47 #63. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

Side A – Telephone conversation of GARY (last name unknown) trying to convince LIZ (last name unknown) to \u201creturn to the group\u201d<\/p>\n

Side B – Blank<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

The summary is accurate \u2013 other than its misspelling of Garry Lambrev\u2019s name \u2013 and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted February 2005<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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