{"id":28222,"date":"2013-07-25T04:54:08","date_gmt":"2013-07-25T04:54:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28222"},"modified":"2024-07-16T14:46:05","modified_gmt":"2024-07-16T21:46:05","slug":"644-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28222","title":{"rendered":"Q644 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>. To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/b>: Tapes Not Summarized<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>One Certron C-60 \/ April 12 1978 Meeting #10<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/b>\u00a0 February 16, 1978 (Edith Roller\u2019s journal)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/b><\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/i>
\nGriffin Bell, U.S. Attorney General (by reference)
\nPart 2:<\/b> Mahatma Gandhi<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents, full name unknown:<\/i>
\nStanley (either Stanley Gieg or Stanley Clayton)<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents:<\/i>
\nKarl Barnett
\nAngela Connesero (by reference)
\nJames Edwards (\u201cReb\u201d)
\nIsaac Edwards
\nLee Ingram (speaks)<\/b>
\nJohn Harris, aka Peter Holmes (speaks)<\/b>
\nStephan Jones
\nChuck Kirkendall
\nPatty Parks
\nVersie Perkins
\nChris Rozynko
\nAl Simon
\nKivin “Freeze Dry” Smith
\nCharlie Touchette
\nMike Touchette<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/b><\/p>\n

\u201cEverybody\u2019s got this white religious shit till it comes time to eat the flesh and drink the blood. And that\u2019s what Jesus said. Jesus did say it. The Lord Jesus did say it. He said, they eat my flesh and drink my blood\u2026 That\u2019s what Jesus said, eat of my flesh and drink of my blood.\u201d (John 6:47-57. Also, Matthew 26:26-29; Mark 14:22-25; Luke 22:14-20.)<\/p>\n

\u201cAnd when you look at it, one said, 2000 years ago, I looked at the last enemy, death. And I overcame it.\u201d (1 Corinthians 15:26, \u201cThe last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cNeither\u2013 what? Death? Nor the grave. Nothing has any dominion over me. It\u2019s lost its dominion.\u201d (Romans 6:8-10, esp. Romans 6:9, \u201cdeath hath no more dominion over him.\u201d)<\/p>\n

Part 2 (spoken by Temple Bible study leader, not Jim Jones)<\/b>
\n\u201cThe Messiah arrives, Israel will rejoice for God will have (unintelligible word) dwell in their midst\u2026 Many nations will be joined to the Lord that day. They will be my<\/i> people, and I shall dwell in your midst. Israel will be restored to its holy land.\u201d (Zechariah 2:10-12, \u201cSing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee. And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cThen follows an episode in which the messianic people would call the brand plucked from the fire, which means that they will have fire from the state of Israel, there will have been a tremendous disaster that has felled the Jewish people\u2026 [A] stage of purification may lead to the enduring messianic fulfillment. Israel will implicitly obey God\u2019s law\u2026. Then indeed will Israel walk among the angels and be men worthy of the miracles, again emphasizing the universal aspect of the messiah\u2026 that will affect all<\/i> of mankind. All<\/i> of mankind will get this universal peace, they will all benefit from it. Then every man will sit safely under this big tree.\u201d (Zechariah 3)<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

The tape consists of two sections. The first part is the conclusion of a White Night in February 1978 \u2013 the most serious White Night since the previous September, Jim Jones says at one point in Q 642<\/a> \u2013 that extends over four tapes (preceded by Q 641<\/a>, Q 642<\/a> and Q 643<\/a>). The second part is an undated Bible study class, an older tape which was reused for the White Night.<\/p>\n

The tape opens with a continuation of the conversation, started on tape Q 643<\/a>, about repairing a pump which has failed due to human error. The momentary anger over the screw-up has subsided \u2013 except for a few recriminations expressed by several of Jones\u2019 unidentified lieutenants \u2013 and it has turned into an administrative problem which is handled in a few minutes.<\/p>\n

Following the interruption, the conversation turns back to the main points under discussion that night, which are the options the people of Jonestown would have, should they be invaded. It may be due to the lateness of the hour, or the fact that \u2013 by now \u2013 the arguments are repetitive, or the fact that people keep making choices to live rather than opt for revolutionary suicide, but both the residents expressing their opinions and the people in the Temple leadership questioning those opinions seem increasingly testy. When an elderly black man is asked to defend his choice to stand and fight, he replies brusquely: \u201cWhat I<\/i> would do, if it was just me<\/i> is a different thing. Now I just came over to work, okay? People have been here, they work, they build this place up, I wouldn\u2019t dare run away from all we built up.\u201d The challenges continue, people pepper him with questions without allowing him to reply, other issues come and go, and finally, some time later, he gets in his last word: \u201cI\u2019m thinkin\u2019 that if we stay here, we will win one thing. We\u2019ll win the fight that we weren\u2019t coward, and we believed in what we believed in to death.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones also talks about putting up a spirited defense of the community, a shift from his advocacy of revolutionary suicide as the only option. He talks about undefined \u201ctactical strategies,\u201d but he also talks about their weaponry. \u201c[W]e\u2019d have some machine guns\u2026 we got better, more high-powered, longer range somethings than they have\u2026 we don\u2019t have everybody equipped \u2013 would to goodness we had \u2013 but we\u2019ve got enough firepower to make some use\u2026 [T]hey\u2019d be a little more reluctant to come after us [if we had] some more automatic equipment.\u201d<\/p>\n

This line of conversation apparently makes people as uneasy as the earlier discussion of suicide. \u201cI bet if some of the people knew they gone get in on this kinda shit, they\u2019da jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge,\u201d Jones says. \u201cAnd I tell you, I didn\u2019t intend for you to get any of this shit. But I knew one thing, we had to be true.\u201d<\/p>\n

Another uncomfortable subject \u2013\u00a0cannibalism \u2013 arises immediately afterwards. Jones talks about eating one of the invaders, if it comes to that. He reminds the community that they have done it before. \u201cHell, we been through it. We shot \u2018em and we ate \u2018em, the other time round\u2026 [S]ome thought they had beef, some thought they had chicken, some thought they had fish.\u201d He asks if anyone is bothered by that, but \u2013 since he adds that anyone who won\u2019t join in the practice is \u201cgoing to join the pot too\u201d \u2013 no one admits to any reluctance.<\/p>\n

The meeting starts to break up, and Jones announces the breakfast schedule for the following day before the \u201cstrategy\u201d meeting resumes at noon. He then reminds the people of the \u201cfour alternatives\u201d they have been discussing throughout the night, and concludes with the one he has championed: \u201cOr just say that there\u2019s nothing moral we can do, but to lay our lives down, and see if we can trust a brigade to go back and help our people there [to do the same], \u2018cause our people already know that possibility.\u201d<\/p>\n

He ends the meeting by returning to a thought he expressed earlier in the evening on Q 643<\/a>, by belittling the dreams that people may have had in coming to Jonestown. \u201c[W]hen we do build a revolution,\u201d he says, \u201cit\u2019ll be a right<\/i> one, because we started without dreams that were pipe<\/i> dreams. We didn\u2019t have illusions. We didn\u2019t have hallucinations. It was based on reality.\u201d<\/p>\n

Part 2 of the tape is a short portion of an undated Bible study taught by an unidentified Temple leader. Jim Jones is not present during the study, but the theology is his. The leader tears down the notion of Jesus\u2019 divinity, and alludes to another person who will come as the true Messiah. The contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible which the class discusses are in line with those in The Letter Killeth<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 3\/15\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On March 6, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B47-89, and nothing was contained thereon which was considered to be of evidentiary nature or beneficial to the investigation of Congressman RYAN.<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

There is nothing to compare between the two summaries, since the FBI did not write anything for this, or 64 other tapes which bear the notation \u201cTapes Not Summarized.\u201d These tapes seems to have little on them which the FBI could use for its purposes of investigating crimes arising from the Jonestown tragedy, but then again, that describes many other tapes as well. The difference seems to be that one or two FBI agents catalogued this set of tapes \u2013 as evidenced by the typewriter used in writing the reports \u2013 and that generally, the transcriptions were made early in the process, before someone may have asked for greater detail in the reports.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 2006<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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