{"id":28334,"date":"2013-06-16T00:18:56","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:18:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28334"},"modified":"2019-02-22T16:03:41","modified_gmt":"2019-02-23T00:03:41","slug":"965-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28334","title":{"rendered":"Q965 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/b>: Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:\u00a0<\/b>1976 (reference to Docker’s Labour Club\u00a0 v Race Relations Board)<\/i><\/p>\n

People named:<\/b><\/p>\n

People in attendance at Peoples Temple service <\/i>
\nSister Martin
\nSister Mitchell
\nSister Rose (probably Rose Shelton)
\nBrother Smith<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Walter Cartmell
\nJames “Rev.” Edwards (speaks<\/b>)
\nEver Rejoicing, aka Amanda Pointdexter
\nArchie Ijames
\nMarceline Jones
\nBea Morton, aka Bea Orsot
\nAmeal Staten<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/i>
\nPresident Gerald Ford
\nSecretary of State Henry Kissinger
\nGen. Park Chung Hee, President of South Korea (by reference)<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Socrates, Greek philosopher
\nWilliam Randolph Hearst, newspaper publisher
\nCarlton Goodlett, newspaper publisher
\nRev. Sun Myung Moon, head of Unification Church
\nAngela Davis, university professor, member of Communist Party
\nWalter Cronkite, CBS newscaster
\nAuguste Rodin, French sculptor (by reference)Anthony Sherman, British union worker (phonetic)<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Bible verses cited: <\/b><\/p>\n

(Editor’s note<\/strong>: The verses below appear in order of biblical reference, not as they appear in Jim Jones\u2019 address. For a complete scriptural index to the sermons of Jim Jones, click here<\/a>.)<\/i><\/p>\n

    “Old gossip, men and women dealing in fables and gossip, and nothing h\u2013 more hateful in the consciousness of this revolutionary God than talebearers.\u2026\u00a0But every time I find one of those nit picking talebearers, they\u2019re\u00a0always\u00a0anti-socialist, anti-Christ.” (Leviticus 19:16, “Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the\u00a0Lord<\/span>.”)<\/p>\n

    \u201cOh, Heaven came down, socialist heaven consciousness came down, and glory<\/i> filled the place.\u201d (2 Chronicles 7:1, \u201cNow when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    “It is\u00a0evident\u00a0that with the noise we\u2019re making, it is evident that though there are many here from every strata of society with all kinds of degrees and intellectual achievement, it is\u00a0evident\u00a0that we have\u00a0seen\u00a0something or we wouldn\u2019t make so much noise.” (Numerous references in Psalm to making a joyful noise unto God, including Psalm 66:1 \u2013 “Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:” \u2013 Psalm 88:1, Psalm 95:1-2, Psalm 94:4-6, and Psalm 100:1)<\/p>\n

    \u201cShall we now administer the important thing of giving substance to your vision, for where there is no vision, the people perish. You\u2019re gonna have to get a vision that makes you lively to do this thing properly here and make sacrifices to get our money in the Promised Land before the whole bottom falls out of this country.\u201d (Proverbs 29:18, \u201cWhere there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI\u2019m just gonna keep right on preaching the truth, \u2018cause I know where they place all people that stand for what I do. I know there\u2019s a Golgotha, I know<\/i> it. I know there\u2019s a lonely garden.\u201d (references to Christ\u2019s arrest and crucifixion in four Gospels)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI\u2019ve got a Promised Land, it\u2019s a city set on a hill that cannot be moved.\u201d (Matthew 5:14, Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI want to know why you go to those jackleg churches? Why do you go over to the thirtyfold when there a hundredfold right here in America today? Why do you go to the sixtyfold and the thirtyfold and usually the one and a half fold? That\u2019d be closer to where you\u2019re going. Those jacklegs might get one and a half, maybe 1.77. They wouldn\u2019t come up to 2%, and here we have the hundredfold.\u201d (Matthew 13:8, 23, \u201cBut other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold\u2026 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.\u201d See also, Matthew 19:29, Mark 4:20, Mark 10:30, and Luke 8:8)<\/p>\n

    \u201cJesus cursed<\/i> the moneychangers out of the temple.\u201d (Matthew 21:12, \u201cAnd Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    “But if you want to be living by the sword, you\u2019re gonna die by your damn sword.” (Matthew 26:52, “Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”)<\/p>\n

    \u201cHe\u2019s merciful<\/i> to the one (unintelligible word), on generation to another generation.\u201d (Luke 1:50, \u201cAnd his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI am I, the light that lighteth every man and woman that cometh into this continent, into this world of America today.\u201d (John 1:9, \u201cThat was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.\u201d See also, Matthew 5:14, John 3:19, John 8:12, John 9:5, John 11:9, and John 12:46)<\/p>\n

    \u201c[W]hat I have to say is the truth that will set you free if you will allow it to do so.\u201d (John 8:32, \u201cAnd ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI want our people to eat, not have to put some hash together. I want food<\/i> of an abundance. In my Father\u2019s house there shall be an abundance of every good desire.\u201d (John 14:1-7, esp. 14:2, \u201cIn my Father\u2019s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201c[W]e do not believe in respect of persons, and we know that respect of persons is capitalistic sin.\u201d (Acts 10:34, \u201cThen Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cNo longer can death find anything of itself in me. No longer<\/i> does death have dominion over me.\u201d (Romans 6:9, \u201cKnowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    “So now straighten yourself up. Lying upon lying and precept upon precept. Repent of your untowardness, or the next meeting you\u2019ll be named publicly as a showpiece, as a demonstration for discipline for all of this holy cadre, because these are they upon who the ends of the world have come.\u201d (1 Corinthians 10:6-11, esp. 10:11, \u201cNow all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cBecause I no longer live<\/i>, I am crucified with the revolution. I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live, yet not I, but in a thousand bodies, in yea ten thousand bodies, I live<\/i>.\u201d (Galatians 2:20, \u201cI am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201c[S]in is to him that knoweth to do right and doeth it not. Capitalism. Anything that\u2019s not of the faith of socialism, it is sin.\u201d (James 4:17, \u201cTherefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cAnd that\u2019s the only kind of feeble mind there is, is when someone has once known the truth<\/i> and turned away into darkness, having once tasted of the heavenly socialist gift and turned away to untowardness, they<\/i> are the feeble-minded.\u201d (1 John 1:5-6,\u00a0 \u201cThis then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.\u201d Also, Hebrews 6:4-6, esp. 6:4, \u201cFor it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cAs Revelation spoke in typology \u2013 and we know the myths of all those things \u2013 but barley and wheat and oil is going to be the money of tomorrow.\u201d (Revelation 6:5-6) \u201cAnd when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cIf you want to be met by the lamb slain from the foundation of the world for justice and peace, you can be met by that.\u201d (Revelation 13:8, \u201cAnd all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.\u201d)<\/ol>\n

    Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    (Editor’s note<\/strong>: This tape was transcribed by Seriina Covarrubias. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

    In this address before the Temple congregation in San Francisco, Jim Jones is in a combative mood. There is little context for the source of his displeasure \u2013 in fact, with the exception of one or two brief news items that he reports (and provides editorial comment on), there is little context for the sermon itself \u2013 but it is clear that he is upset with several specific people over several specific incidents. He refers to the game of chess a couple of times, perhaps having caught people playing chess instead of attending to Temple duties. He refers to people working only three-hour days and yet too busy to attend Temple services, and since the allusion recurs more than once, it is obvious he has someone in mind. Without naming names, he makes it clear who he\u2019s talking about \u2013 \u201cI\u2019m looking at one\u201d who has criticized the Temple, he says at one point; \u201cyou know who I\u2019m talking about,\u201d he tells the congregation at large at another point \u2013 and he is in no mood for dissension or argument.<\/p>\n

    The reference to chess is among several that gives the address an anti-intellectual flavor throughout. At the beginning of the tape (which starts with the service underway) during the praise portion, Jones calls out over the applause and music, \u201cthat though there are many here \u2026 with all kinds of degrees and intellectual achievement, it is evident that we have seen something or we wouldn\u2019t make so much noise.\u201d Later in the service, he includes in his criticisms those who \u201cnit pick\u201d at the church after receiving an education at the Temple\u2019s expense. Finally, he lists categories of people who would \u201cdissolve\u201d the integrity of the church, and includes cheaters, people who could be arrested for immoral acts, and two people \u201cwith academic privilege and academic position.\u201d<\/p>\n

    As occurs in numerous tapes, Jones pauses on many occasions to take up collections, and \u2013\u00a0as in other tapes \u2013\u00a0someone (perhaps Jones himself) switches off the recording during the pitch for funds. Most of the solicitations begin after describing \u201cthe Promised Land\u201d in Guyana, which is both a beautiful place and a haven to escape to, leaving the fascism and racism of America and other Western nations behind. At various points in the address,\u00a0 he calls it a \u201crefuge on 27, 000 acres with every kind of berry and fruit and vegetable growing, and all the wild beasts of the field so that no one will ever will go hungry\u201d; as \u201cthe best place in the world to be, [in a] nation where the press functions freely, a rich country [where] two-thirds of its people have moved from abject poverty into sustenance in the past few years;\u201d and as a place of \u201cpeace [where] we are going to be uninterrupted and our people are not going to be taken in concentration camps<\/a>.\u201d But getting to the Promised Land costs money.<\/p>\n

    Jones tries other pitches as well. He reminds them of the Unification Church of Rev. Sun Myung Moon, whose followers commit to earning hundreds of dollars a week, but adds that as a church, \u201c[t]hey don\u2019t have anything. All they have is a 54 room mansion for their leader in New York. Half of the budget of seven million dollars or eight they raised last year went to their leader for Rolls Royces and a mansion over in New York.\u201d<\/p>\n

    In another attempt to raise funds, Jones cautions people about what happens if they don\u2019t come through on their financial commitments. One woman had pledged $500 \u2013 this after the church had helped her get four times that amount \u2013\u00a0but she \u201cdidn\u2019t give that. The last time I saw her, she didn\u2019t have her mind, did she?\u201d An even more extreme example followed: a woman was \u201cthinking she was going sue us for her money that she\u2019d given free will offerings to this church, and the date her suit was to take place, she died.\u201d<\/p>\n

    As he concluded one exhortation for funds, \u201cWe should give freely, and not try to cheat. You should make pledges and keep them.\u201d<\/p>\n

    But the bulk of the address is one of confrontation. He blasts people who \u201ccriticize this house,\u201d those who have \u201cthe audacity to question that I can materialize anything,\u201d those who nitpick and backbite and backslide and gossip. Worst of all are those who see the Temple as a \u201cparasitical host,\u201d people who want to live off the church and take advantage of its gifts \u2013 sleeping in its dormitories, eating its food, using its facilities \u2013 and then not pulling their weight. But Jones knows who they are, he says,\u00a0 \u201cand I also know you that sleep with them.\u201d<\/p>\n

    The theme recurs throughout the address. Towards the end, he warns people who try to fool him, saying he\u2019ll treat them like a cat would a mouse. He\u2019ll play with them and bat them about, shaking them up. \u201cI won\u2019t just chew you and swallow you,\u201d he adds. \u201cIt\u2019d be easier if I just swallow ya, but that wouldn\u2019t teach you anything. I\u2019m out to save you \u2013 even the mice.\u201d<\/p>\n

    His fuse is a short one, and when one person seems to interrupt him, he is quick on the attack: \u201cNow I\u2019m speaking, I will allow you to speak in just a moment. I certainly will not infringe upon your right to speak, but do not impose upon mine\u2026 see, it\u2019s always bad to do that, \u2026 [Y]ou do this, then I figure that what I\u2019ve got to say means nothing to you.\u201d<\/p>\n

    He eventually turns to the ones who are faithful \u2013 the ones who appear at the Temple \u201cnight after night, giving me their heart, giving me the spirit of socialism, their love\u201d \u2013 and reminds the rest of the congregation why they are<\/i> faithful: \u201cThey\u2019re not doing it for a man. They\u2019re doing it because I\u2019m no longer a man, I\u2019m a revolution. I am the I am, I am the mighty wind of revolutionary change. I am the spirit of deliverance. I am the spirit of liberty.\u201d Later, he puts the political statement in more religious terms. \u201cI no longer live<\/i>, I am crucified with the revolution. I am crucified with Christ. Nevertheless I live, yet not I, but in a thousand bodies, in yea, ten thousand bodies, I live<\/i>\u2026 No longer I, but Christ<\/i> the revolution.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Beyond making his statements demanding the equality that the revolution would bring, though, he demonstrates his own personal commitment to it. \u201cI want to break this class system. Don\u2019t you realize, that I\u2019m socialistic, I cannot stand it?\u201d he says, and then tells the staff that neither he nor they should have extra food or special privileges that are not available to everyone who comes to the Temple. Everyone already knows that he doesn\u2019t own new clothes or new shoes, but he wants to be sure they\u2019re aware, \u201cyou\u2019re not going to be able to feed me unless you feed my people\u2026 if [the food is] there we\u2019ll eat, and if we don\u2019t, then we\u2019ll all go hungry, \u2018cause we\u2019re all gonna do whatever we do together, aren\u2019t we?\u201d<\/p>\n

    He is dedicated to the cause of socialism, and he asks others to join him, even if the vehicle to launch the revolution \u2013 or even to get to the Promised Land \u2013\u00a0is flawed. \u201cYou say this church must have problems. Honey, \u2026 this church even with its blasphemers and defilers and adulterers that I was talking to, makes your church look so unholy.\u201d<\/p>\n

    The tape concludes with a final statement of his own commitment. \u201cI\u2019d rather go with a knife or a gun for standing what I believe\u2026 I\u2019m gonna make a beautiful<\/i> melody for truth while I\u2019m at it. So you can\u2019t intimidate me, you can\u2019t threaten<\/i> me\u2026 No longer<\/i> does death have dominion over me.\u201d<\/p>\n

    It isn\u2019t until then that he works to prepare his followers for that commitment as well. \u201c[Death] holds no fear and I think some of you are getting that way. You\u2019re getting that way.\u201d<\/p>\n

    FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    Date of transcription: 7\/6\/79<\/p>\n

    In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

    On June 22, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B110-30. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

    JIM JONES criticizing the members at a church service.<\/p>\n

    Differences with FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

    Tape originally posted January 2006<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read the Tape Transcript, click here.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here. To return to the Tape Index, click here.\u00a0To listen to MP3, click here. FBI Catalogue: Jones Speaking Date cues on tape:\u00a01976 (reference to Docker’s Labour […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":641,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-28334","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28334","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28334"}],"version-history":[{"count":24,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28334\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":86079,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28334\/revisions\/86079"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28334"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}