{"id":28335,"date":"2013-06-16T00:18:56","date_gmt":"2013-06-16T00:18:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28335"},"modified":"2026-03-02T17:03:37","modified_gmt":"2026-03-03T01:03:37","slug":"974-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28335","title":{"rendered":"Q974 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To read the Annotated\u00a0Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.\u00a0To listen to MP3, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/b>: Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/b>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mid-1973, most likely (reference to Jones influence in release of Daniel Ellsberg in May)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/b><\/p>\n

People in attendance at Peoples Temple service:<\/i>
\nJohn Brown
\nSister Collier (probably Leona Collier)
\nSister Inez (probably Conedy) (speaks)
\nFarad (last name unknown)
\nJohnny (last name unknown)
\nLisa Layton
\nSister Moore (first name unknown)
\nSister Peterson (probably Rosa Lee Peterson)
\nMike Prokes, by reference
\nRose Shelton
\nRichard Tropp<\/div>\n
Peoples Temple supporters:<\/i>
\nDr. Perkins, \u201cthe head of the hospital\u201d (first name unknown)
\nReverend Brown, \u201cthe head of the mayor\u2019s youth commission\u201d, (first name unknown)<\/div>\n
Public figures\/National and international names:<\/i>
\nFrederick Douglass (see Other Quotations, below)
\nAnton Alexander Von Auersperg (\u201cAnastatius Grun\u201d) German poet (see Other Quotations, below)
\nOral Roberts, evangelist
\nKathryn Kuhlman, evangelist
\nDr. J. Bruce Massey
\nDaniel Ellsberg, Pentagon analyst who leaked Pentagon Papers
\nPresident Richard Nixon
\nMartin Luther King
\nElijah Muhammad, leader of Black Muslims
\nNative American leader in South Dakota, most likely Dennis Banks (by reference)
\nSouth Dakota Governor Richard F. Kneip (by reference)<\/div>\n
Temple adversaries; members of Concerned Relatives:<\/i>
\nLester Kinsolving, newspaper columnist<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Bible verses cited:<\/b><\/p>\n

(Editor’s note<\/strong>: The verses below appear in order of biblical reference, not as they appear in Jim Jones\u2019 address. For a complete scriptural index to the sermons of Jim Jones, click here<\/a>.)<\/i><\/p>\n

    \u201c[A]ll the books of Abraham, they\u2019re so confused, that if you read them, you\u2019ll find that Abraham gets younger as his children get older.\u201d (reference unclear)<\/p>\n

    \u201cSo I said, let there be light. And the light came. We had sun.\u201d (Genesis 1:3, \u201cAnd God said, Let there be light: and there was light.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cJesus denied the Bible. Jesus throwed a ringer around that Bible and said, get rid of it. Yes, he did. Nehemiah and Numbers said, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.\u201d (Exodus 21:24, \u201cEye for eye, tooth for tooth\u2026\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cNow you say, you say some kind of blasphemy. No, I say, the science of Christianity, the science of Mohammadism, the science of Buddhism, the science of Judaism, it says, as a man thinketh in his mind, so is he. In my mind, I know I\u2019m God.\u201d (Proverbs 23:7, \u201cFor as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cI was repeating Ezekiel 16 and 6, that says, \u2018As I pass by thee, Jim Jones, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee, live. Yea, I said unto thee, when thou wast in thy blood, live.\u2019 And I kept repeating that, because I knew it would stop blood.\u201d (Ezekiel 16:6, “And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.\u201d) Spoken in meeting by elderly black woman named Inez (probably Conedy)<\/p>\n

    \u201cYet you have a Good Friday service at high noon, and you celebrate his rising on Sunday morning, and the Bible said that he died on Friday and he rose on Sunday. That, my child, only means about a day and a half.\u201d (Easter story in all four gospels)<\/p>\n

    \u201cJesus has one set of grandparents in Luke, and he\u2019s got another set of grandparents in Matthew, and\u2013\u00a0but he\u2019s got 15 more grandparents, as you trace him back to Abraham, in Luke 3, as he does in Matthew 1.\u201d (Luke 3:23-38; and Matthew 1: 1-17, esp. Matthew 1:17, \u201cSo all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201c[Your Bible] doesn\u2019t know whether Jesus\u2026 went to Egypt to flee from King Herod, or whether he stayed and kept the feast of the Passover every year in Jerusalem with his parent, because one chapter in the Bible said he\u00a0stayed every year, and kept the feast of the Passover. The other chapter says he went over to Egypt.\u201d<\/p>\n

    \u201c[Jesus] said, it\u2019s been said of old times \u2013\u00a0you remember what he said \u2013\u00a0it\u2019s been said of old times, that meant it was said in the Bible, it\u2019s been said in the old Bible, of old times that you do this, but he said, I say, it\u2019s no longer so.\u201d (Generally, Matthew 5:19-48)<\/p>\n

    \u201cJesus said, no. Resist not evil\u2026 And we\u2019re going to love, and we\u2019re going to overcome evil with good, and if the people slap us on the one cheek, we\u2019re gone turn the other. Well, I turned this cheek, I turned that cheek, I turned both cheeks of my rear end. I run out of cheeks.\u201d (Matthew 5:39, \u201cBut I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.\u201d Also, Luke 6:29)<\/p>\n

    \u201cJesus come along, and he said, no longer so. Said, we\u2019re going to have to reason together. You\u2019ve got to love your enemies, and do good to those that despitefully use you.\u201d (Matthew 5:44, \u201cBut I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.\u201d See also Luke 6:27, Luke 6:35).<\/p>\n

    \u201c[King James]\u00a0 said Jesus would be three days in the belly of the earth. He would be dead for three days, this temple will lay three days, and then it\u2019ll rise.\u201d (Numerous references to rebuilding temple in three days, including Matthew 26:61, Matthew 27:4, Mark\u00a014:58, Mark\u00a015:29, John\u00a02:19-20.)<\/p>\n

    \u201cOne chapter says he died \u2026 amongst three thieves. And all three thieves railed upon him. Another chapter says, only one refused to. The ones rebuked the others, and Jesus said to that thief, this day, thou shall be with me in Paradise.\u201d (Matthew 27:38-44, especially Matthew 27:44, \u201cThe thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth\u201d; Luke 23:39, 43, \u201cAnd one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us\u2026 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    \u201cYou can get a sixty percent level, the Scripture speaks of it, sixty-fold, thirty-fold, but there\u2019s a hundredfold, a place where you\u2019re one hundred percent in the mind, and the mind is in you, and the energy of God become identical with your nature.\u201d (Mark 4:20, \u201cAnd these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.\u201d See also, Matthew 13:8, 23; Matthew 19:29; Mark 4:8; Mark 10:30; and Luke 8:8)<\/p>\n

    \u201cBy this shall all men know that you are my disciples, because you have love.\u201d (John 13:34-35, \u201cA new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.\u201d)<\/p>\n

    “But if it\u00a0works, use\u00a0it,\u00a0employ\u00a0it, if it is of\u00a0goodness\u00a0and if it is of\u00a0righteousness, whatsoever thing is lovely, whatsoever thing is good.\u00a0Use\u00a0it.” (Phillipians 4:8-9, “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.\u00a0Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.”)<\/p>\n

    “So if this body happens to be utilized just a bit too much by all the energy I put out, I\u2019m going to have somebody else to sit here and be able to know the thoughts like I have, be able to discern the intents of the hearts like I have.” (Hebrews 4:12, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a\u00a0discerner of the thoughts and\u00a0intents of the heart.”)<\/p>\n

    \u201cYou gotta go by love, child \u2026 even Jesus<\/i> said, whosoever loveth is born of God.\u201d (1 John 5:1, \u201cWhosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.\u201d)<\/ol>\n

    Other quotations:<\/b><\/p>\n

    \u201cQuoting the words of the immortal Frederick Douglass, \u2018If every pencil, paper, periodical and pamphlet were burned, and their ashes given to the four winds of the heaven, there would still be no peace for the racist. By the wind<\/i>, the breeze that soothes and the thunder that startles, he would be awakened. Thou art guilty<\/i>.\u2019 (Paraphrased from Frederick Douglass, \u201cA Nation In the Midst of a Nation\u201d<\/i>: An address delivered New York, New York, 11 May 1853. Full text here<\/a>) Spoken by second minister at meeting<\/p>\n

    Paraphrase of poem \u201cEnemies,\u201d by Anton Alexander Von Auersperg (\u201cAnastatius Grun\u201d) German poet (1806 – 1876) (Original poem found at http:\/\/www.giga-usa.com\/gigaweb1\/quotes2\/quautauerspergantonax001.htm<\/a>) Spoken by second minister at meeting<\/p>\n

    Paraphrase of poem, \u201cSaengchai Sunthornwat: In Memory,\u201d by Ethel Rosenberg. Spoken by second minister at meeting<\/p>\n

    Paraphrase of poem, \u201cThe Bridge Builder,\u201d by Will Allen Dromgoole, found on hundreds of sites on Internet. Spoken by second minister at meeting<\/p>\n

    Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    This tape of a service in the Peoples Temple church in San Francisco consists of two distinct parts. The first third of the tape features an unnamed black man who speaks passionately of the work of the church and its leader, Jim Jones; the last two-thirds is an address by Jim Jones that touches on several familiar themes, including the miracles he has performed, the problems he has with other churches, the reasons he feels he can claim his \u201cGodship\u201d, and the inconsistencies and mistakes of the Bible. As with most tapes of Jones\u2019 addresses and sermons, it ends before Jones concludes his remarks.<\/p>\n

    The tape begins with a joyful song of praise about Jim Jones, followed by equally effusive words, spoken by an unidentified black man who often uses the tones and cadences of a minister. Rather than being religious, though, the address is much more political and inspirational. He talks about fascism \u2013 which he defines as \u201crule by the most reactionary segment of organized financed capital\u201d \u2013 but he also blasts what he calls the \u201callies of fascism,\u201d or those who sit idly by while the problems of the community parade by them. Whether you ignore the litter at your feet or the toughs on the bus or the gangs painting graffiti on the walls, he says, you contribute to fascism, because someone will react, and \u201cpeople will choose tyranny over anarchy.\u201d Similarly, he tells people to educate themselves about the problems of their community. \u201cI\u2019m saying to you, Christian friends, you can\u2019t afford the luxury of ignorance, because ignorance is an ally of fascism.\u201d<\/p>\n

    The leader he most admires in this struggle, the unidentified man says, is Jim Jones. After reminding the congregation of the concrete accomplishments Jones has brought to the community, the man says: \u201cOne of the many reasons that I enjoy the dynamic ministry of Pastor Jim Jones is because of the truth, because of the eloquence, because of the realist approach to the things that we need\u2026 Jim Jones is walking down the life\u2019s path, and he\u2019s taught us how to enjoy the trip.\u201d The man concludes his remarks by reciting several pieces of poetry about struggle and helping other people succeed, adapting them principally by inserting the name of Jim Jones as the source of aid.<\/p>\n

    When Jones takes the microphone, he begins by listing some of his recent miracles, a subject to which he returns throughout the address. Most of the miracles are what he has done for others \u2013\u00a0healed cancers, mended broken bones, brought the dead back to life \u2013 but some are things he has himself survived. He speaks of the times he was shot and stabbed., as well as of a recent event in which a man who intended to shoot Jones found himself suddenly without a gun. That man is now babbling in the street, speaking a foreign language. When he gets \u201ccorrected in his mind,\u201d Jones promises, he will call the man back to get straight again.<\/p>\n

    The miracles have been witnessed by doctors whose patients were cured, by television and movie producers, and others outside the church. But there is a purpose beyond the healings themselves. \u201cWe do these things, not only because we are desirous to heal sick bodies, and indeed we are, but we do these things as signs that follow the believers in democratic socialism, in black liberation, we do these as attention means, to bring people to the wholeness of mind, to the healing of mind that we have, that will not only change bodies, but will change the nation.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Even as he proclaims the miracles, the fact that there has not been a single death in the Temple since he became God, and his observation that he doesn\u2019t need doctors for himself, he hastens to add that people should see their doctors regularly. It is more than a passing aside.<\/p>\n

    Jones also weaves his familiar attacks on ministers in other churches into the address. Some of the criticisms are directed at the unnamed preachers who drive fancy cars \u2013 \u201c[A]nyone that can drive around in Cadillacs and Rolls-Royces, when one-half of the black population today are jobless, that person is not capable of leading you anywhere but to hell\u201d \u2013 but he also compares his miracles to two faith-healers by name, and spends much time towards the end of the tape with carefully-crafted commentary on Black Muslims in general and, eventually, of their leader, Elijah Muhammad.<\/p>\n

    Along the way, he says that the religious leaders around them cannot be emancipated \u201cas I\u201d until they renounce their worldly possessions and \u201cput the money in the people\u2019s hands, for land, jobs, industry, businesses, and social justice in the courts.\u201d His frustration with the ministers of all religions led him to call out, \u201cif there\u2019s any God in the universe, let it be deposited in me. If there\u2019s any energy in the universe, let it be combusted in me. And that moment, it happened. And ever since that moment\u2026 I have seen myself as God, and I have seen my children as gods.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Jones returns to the subject later in the address, but puts the concept of God in terms other than an almighty deity. \u201cSee, God is a static principle that anyone can find. Anyone can determine to be God, if they wish to be. If you\u2019ll sacrifice your own selfishness, and lay down your own will, then you can have this abstract principle as an incarnate reality in your body.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Nevertheless, the address seems to reflect some ambivalence about the permanence of his leadership. Despite his ability to survive assassination attempts, he says, the day may come when \u201cthis body happens to be utilized just a bit too much by all the energy I put out.\u201d He wouldn\u2019t leave his followers without a leader, though. \u201cI\u2019m going to have somebody else to sit here and be able to know the thoughts like I have [and] be able to discern the intents of the hearts like I have\u2026 I\u2019ll have somebody to do it, because I made you a promise, and I prophesy according to my measure of faith.\u201d<\/p>\n

    In addition, he brings up the possibility that some Temple members may think they have found another leader greater than he. If that happens, he says, \u201cyou let me go to him. I\u2019ll teach him some of the things that I only can do in the world today, through \u2026 this great spirit of socialism.\u201d When he raises the same issue later, though, he says, \u201cIf you can find one that looks after you better than I do, then you let me know who he is, and I\u2019ll join him.\u201d<\/p>\n

    In many sermons and speeches \u2013 as he does here \u2013 Jones describes himself as being black. He also claims here, as he does in other speeche , many other heritages, especially that of Native Americans. In this address, though, his self-description of being black makes it clear, he isn\u2019t speaking of it as a race, but as an identity. \u201cSo black is a consciousness. Black is a disposition. To act against evil. To do good\u2026 One of the blonde-headed woman here was the first one to join me against the racist mob. She got out there and fought with her bare hands. She proved she was black.\u201d<\/p>\n

    At the same time, he notes with approval the power that people of different races, nationalities and religions have when they unite. Indeed, he says, it\u2019s the only way they can survive. \u201cWe\u2019ve got to get together and unify, or we\u2019re going to be overwhelmed by a common enemy.\u201d For that reason, he says, he doesn\u2019t care who people are or \u2013 conversely \u2013\u00a0how they perceive him, so long as they\u2019ll work with him. He could be Buddha, he could be Allah, \u201cI don\u2019t care what you see me as. You can see me as a pussycat. If pussycats work for you, child, then you see me as a pussycat, and I\u2019ll just meow till I get you free.\u201d<\/p>\n

    Finally, Jones spends much time tearing apart the Bible and the people who use it to oppress others. He describes King James as a racist and a slaveholder, the man who used his version of the Bible to bring blacks from Africa to America in chains. He attacks King James as a bad writer, whose gospels can\u2019t even decide how many generations there were between Abraham and Jesus.<\/p>\n

    Later in the address, when Jones talks about throwing out the Bible because it doesn\u2019t work for him, he cites a biblical figure \u2013\u00a0Jesus \u2013 as his precedent. Jones reminds his followers that Jesus told his<\/i> followers that the old Bible (i.e., the Old Testament) taught lessons that were \u201cno longer so,\u201d especially when it came to issues of vengeance and resistance to evil. Jones initially cites the reference about turning the other cheek with approval. As the tape nears it end about ten minutes later, though, Jones has returned to the reference with a different interpretation. \u201cJesus\u2019 teachings don\u2019t work today in America,\u201d he says. \u201cI\u2019ve run out of cheeks, [and] I am no longer going to turn every other cheek.<\/p>\n

    \u201cI will say, I will never pick up the knife. I will never pick up the gun,\u201d he says as the tape ends. \u201cWe won\u2019t touch one of you. But if you touch one of us, you\u2019d better be prepared to die.\u201d<\/p>\n

    FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    Date of transcription: 7\/6\/79<\/p>\n

    In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

    On June 23, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B110-39. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

    Church service conducted by unknown male praising JIM JONES. This is followed by JONES recounting his \u201cmiracles\u201d. He states at one point \u201cI know I am God\u201d.<\/p>\n

    Differences with FBI Summary:<\/b><\/p>\n

    The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

    Tape originally posted April 2002<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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