{"id":28337,"date":"2013-07-25T04:54:04","date_gmt":"2013-07-25T04:54:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=28337"},"modified":"2024-10-25T10:18:27","modified_gmt":"2024-10-25T17:18:27","slug":"979-2","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28337","title":{"rendered":"Q979 Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Transcript, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3<\/a>.
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>(none)<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0likely May 1978 (after Accusation of Human Rights Violations<\/a>, around time of Stoen lawsuits<\/a>)<\/p>\n

People named:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/em>
\nMervyn Dymally, Lt. Governor of California
\nWillie Brown, California Assemblyman<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Karl Marx, German economist, father of communism<\/p>\n

Judge Winslow, first name unknown, friend of Lt. Gov. Mervyn Dymally
\nJohn Maher, head of Delancey Street Foundation<\/a>
\nunnamed bishop in Disciples of Christ
\nunnamed head of Disciples of Christ<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Temple adversaries; members of Concerned Relatives:<\/em>
\nJim Cobb (by reference)
\nTerry Cobb (by reference)
\nDeanna Mertle (who became Jeannie Mills)
\nLinda Mertle
\nGrace Stoen
\nTim Stoen<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents, full name unknown:<\/em>
\nKate
\nRuby (three in Jonestown, and reference may be to woman not there)<\/p>\n

Jonestown residents:<\/em>
\nStanley Clayton
\nAmondo Griffith (by reference)
\nCamella Griffith (by reference)
\nEmmett Griffith Jr. (by reference)
\nEmmett Griffith Sr.
\nMary Griffith
\nPat Grunnett
\nMarceline Jones
\nEva Pugh
\nMarcie Ann Simon (by reference)
\nJohn Victor Stoen
\nBobby Stroud<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/strong> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0None<\/p>\n

Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jim Jones presides over a meeting in which he describes the (relatively unsuccessful) efforts of the Concerned Relatives to bring them down, criticizes Tim Stoen for his campaign again them, and considers the real possibility of emigrating to the Soviet Union. While he does speak with anger at times in the tape, much of it is relatively sober \u2013 more of a report to his people \u2013 with few references to death.<\/p>\n

For example, as he discusses his frustration with the Concerned Relatives \u2013 who keep harassing them, and while their efforts have not resulted in anyone being forced to return to the States, it takes a toll upon their own energies \u2013 he considers a more long-range solution to the problem. He rejects the idea \u201cto take on a full stand\u201d (i.e., mass suicide), because, as he says, \u201cI always act somewhat as a barometer for what you are able to take \u2026 [and] some of you people are not prepared\u201d to make that commitment. Instead, he suggests that they openly embrace who they are \u2013 more Soviet than American \u2013 and make that allegiance known to all parties, even though it will bring more criticism from the US.<\/p>\n

In explaining the problems of being Communist and pro-Soviet, he notes that their enemies (and not just those in the Concerned Relatives) will have to try and crush them, even if they are 6000 miles away from the States. With that in mind, he asks for a vote on proceeding with the alliance; from the audible audience response, the vote seems favorable.<\/p>\n

Much of the tape is devoted to criticism of Tim Stoen. Jones wonders how his former aide can live with himself, knowing that his opposition hurts so many of his old comrades. He points out that no one likes a sell-out, and the Temple\u2019s allies in the States \u2013 whom Stoen has ostensibly approached \u2013 have maintained their distance from him. Even the Disciples of Christ is moving to revoke Stoen\u2019s ordination as a minister, Jones says.<\/p>\n

Along those lines, Jones reports that Stoen has tried to persuade the denomination to eject the Temple from its fold, on the grounds that it is now atheist. \u201cWhich we are,\u201d Jones admits in the next breath. But Stoen has failed.<\/p>\n

Jones describes religion in general \u2013 and by extension, the denomination in particular \u2013 as \u201cthe prostitution of all centuries\u2026 Our few dollars a year that we give in donations, they need so badly that they\u2019ll keep atheists in their ranks.\u201d He then anticipates the next question someone might ask, which is, why should they stay in. \u201cKeeps us from having to pay any taxes on any of our money,\u201d he replies. That\u2019s Stoen\u2019s motivation for going after them, and why they fight to keep their status: \u201cAll of our annual income this year could<\/em> be taxable. And that\u2019d be forty to fifty percent.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones\u2019 criticism of Stoen extends to his estranged wife, Grace. The Temple leader repeats the story \u2013 familiar to all in Jonestown \u2013 of why he had sex with Grace (a relationship which he says lasted \u201csix long years\u201d and which resulted in the birth of John Victor Stoen): she could have destroyed the movement, Jones says, and so, with the approval of Tim Stoen, the Planning Commission and his own wife Marceline, Jones made the sacrifice he needed to. Even so,\u00a0 \u201cthat was a hell of a goddamn pain in the ass.\u201d<\/p>\n

As he relates his stories, his anger begins to mount until he lashes out at the Stoens in particular \u2013 \u201cI could take my own hands and break their bones\u201d \u2013 and at their enemies in general. His words against Tim persist to the tape\u2019s end, as he raises another familiar charge, that Stoen paraded around the streets of Santa Rosa in women\u2019s clothing. Jones says he can understand homosexuality \u2013 after all, that\u2019s private and in a bed \u2013 but a transvestite is in the open, where he can do some damage to the movement.<\/p>\n

Jones also adapts a mocking tone to disparage an unnamed woman \u2013 everyone there knows who she is, he says \u2013 who is selfish enough that she talks incessantly about the things she misses in the States. \u201cI\u2019ll be glad when they bury you, you fucker,\u201d he says in a tight voice. It is unknown if the woman is in the audience, since she doesn\u2019t speak and no one else picks up Jones\u2019 calls against her. But it is only a short aside from his main target of Tim Stoen.<\/p>\n

FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Date of transcription: 7\/6\/79<\/p>\n

In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

On June 24, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B110-7R44. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

A short recording of JIM JONES telling the people of PT that TIM STOEN has been telling lies about PT and had taken legal action against the PT. JONES also stated that TIM STOEN cannot win.<\/p>\n

Differences with FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 2013<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read the Tape Transcript, click here. Listen to MP3. To return to the Tape Index, click here. FBI Catalogue\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jones Speaking FBI preliminary tape identification note: (none) Date cues on tape:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0likely May 1978 (after Accusation […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":652,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-28337","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28337","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=28337"}],"version-history":[{"count":11,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28337\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":128924,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/28337\/revisions\/128924"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=28337"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}