{"id":32655,"date":"2013-07-25T16:49:34","date_gmt":"2013-07-25T16:49:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/alternativejonestown.com\/?page_id=32655"},"modified":"2019-03-02T16:15:59","modified_gmt":"2019-03-03T00:15:59","slug":"875stacy","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=32655","title":{"rendered":"Q 875 Makes Case for Murder"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The                                      events that spiraled out of control in the                                      then-obscure Latin American country of Guyana                                      left the world stunned and still defy explanation                                      to this day. The thoughts of a Satanic pied                                      piper leading his flock into a desolate, overcrowded                                      farm carved out of some of the most inhospitable                                      jungle in northern South America both fascinated                                      and appealed to the prurient interest of a                                      mortified world. At the time, the deaths represented                                      one of the largest peace-time tragedies in                                      modern history, and the very mention of the                                      place where they occurred &#8211; &#8220;Jonestown&#8221; &#8211;                                      has become synonymous with death, waste, and                                      evil.  <\/p>\n<p >The first                                        reports out of the jungle reported a low                                        body count, leaving survivors and families                                        to hope that their loved ones had reconsidered                                        participating in the death ritual and had                                        fled into the jungle. This seemed to have                                        been corroborated by early reports that                                        large numbers of people were seen hiking                                        towards the Venezuelan border. <\/p>\n<p >Ultimately,                                        the disheartening news within the week confirmed                                        the unbelievable worst: virtually all persons                                        in the settlement were dead by cyanide poisoning,                                        and there were no more survivors to search                                        for. Reports of mothers filling their children&#8217;s                                        cups with poison and squirting the concoction                                        down the throats of infants caused ordinary,                                        reasonable people to recoil in horror. How                                        could anyone kill their own children and                                        then kill themselves? Why didn&#8217;t anyone                                        run? Surely, if it had been a mass suicide,                                        some persons would have objected. It would                                        likely be statistically impossible to have                                        a 100% participation rate for a mass suicide                                        &#8211; a horrific act that these gentle seniors,                                        children and generally underprivileged people                                        had likely never heard of before being introduced                                        to the concept by Jim Jones. Was it suicide                                        or was it a mass murder?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p >The initial                                        reports out of Jonestown seemed to confirm                                        that this terrible obscenity was a mass                                        suicide. The government had conducted initial                                        interviews with survivors and learned about                                        the plan for mass suicide for socialism                                        if the community were ever threatened from                                        without. There just didn&#8217;t seem to be a                                        need to pursue any other avenue than to                                        label the entire incident a mass suicide.                                        All were dead, including the culprits who                                        would have been sought for the murder of                                        Congressman Leo Ryan (D-San Mateo), three                                        members of the media from NBC and <i>The                                        San Francisco Examiner<\/i>, and a defector                                        &#8211; the popular Patricia Parks &#8211; whose entire                                        family had left with the congressional party                                        that afternoon. &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p >Had the government                                        not officially labeled the deaths a mass                                        suicide, though &#8211; thus closing the books                                        on further forensic studies and homicide                                        investigation &#8211; then a much more sordid                                        plan would have surfaced. In the history                                        of the Peoples Temple, record-keeping was                                        of top priority to Jim Jones. He wanted                                        everything documented, whether it is his                                        growing political\/religious achievements                                        or confessions of his parishioners, which                                        he could then use to blackmail into staying                                        in the church or at the least to keep quiet                                        if they did leave. Part of Jim Jones&#8217; vanity                                        was to record many of the meetings over                                        which he presided. Indeed, a treasure trove                                        of recordings documenting the entire South                                        American history of the Peoples Temple and                                        various California and Indiana period was                                        recovered. <\/p>\n<p >Among the                                        most notorious is the infamous &#8220;Death Tape,&#8221;                                        or Q42 as identified by the FBI. This aural                                        suicide note documents one of the most incomprehensible                                        acts in modern history. But careful listening                                        to this tape, along with eyewitness accounts                                        from Tim Carter, Odell Rhodes, Stanley Clayton,                                        Grover Davis and Hyacinth Thrash tell a                                        different story. The May 1978 interview                                        with Debbie Blakey and the post-Jonestown                                        interviews with Terri Buford seem to indicate                                        this to be a large plot for mass murder                                        to fulfill the twisted desires of Jim Jones.                                        This act was likely a planned mass murder                                        where various individuals did actually &#8220;willingly&#8221;                                        participate rather than be forced into the                                        fatal act. <\/p>\n<p >Certainly                                        by listening to Q42, one hears that not                                        all persons were willing participants, in                                        particular Christine Miller, an African-American                                        woman from Los Angeles. She stood her ground                                        against Jim until he became flustered and,                                        using his oft-demonstrated techniques of                                        summoning tremendous peer pressure to keep                                        people in line, had her shouted down. Certainly                                        seniors were coerced to participate. Many                                        were invalid, not able to move, likely injected                                        with the foul substance. Certainly the children                                        did not willingly participate in this act.                                        Parents helped line them up and then laid                                        their bodies at the bottom of a concave                                        dip parallel to the pavilion. The participating                                        adults may have been more inclined to die                                        after seeing the younger generations die                                        before them, and facing the agony of having                                        participated in the murders of their children,                                        the prospect of being invaded by the Guyanese                                        Army, and armed guards threatening death                                        with bullets if the potion was not taken.                                        Paroxysms of a swirling, hypnotic frenzy                                        carried through to a grisly completion.                                        &nbsp;<\/p>\n<p >Guyanese forensics on the scene made a                                        determination that many, many individuals                                        did not participate willingly and therefore                                        were injected or forced to drink the concoction.                                        This was indicated by abscesses on the upper                                        arms of many victims, injection by the multitude                                        of hypodermic needles found around the compound.                                        Large amounts of weapons, and bows and arrows                                        were found littered around the pavilion.                                      <\/p>\n<p >So how many                                        of these deaths were suicide and how many                                        were murder? Since only six autopsies were                                        conducted &#8211; and only then by the result                                        of the persistent lobbying by the families                                        of Laurence Schacht and of Carolyn Layton                                        and Ann Moore &#8211; the exact cause of death                                        for each individual will never be known.                                        But consider the following witnesses and                                        warnings:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Odell                                          Rhodes was the first to leave Jonestown,                                          after around 200 people had died. By his                                          account, many may have initially participated                                          thinking this White Night was simply another                                          loyalty test. When babies and children                                          began to wail, a general panic filled                                          the pavilion. Only when Jim Jones took                                          the microphone to soothe his audience                                          would the frenzy become more controlled                                          and organized.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Stanley                                          Clayton saw people being dragged by guards                                          to the tub of    Flavor Aid. He saw children                                          who were forced to drink cups of the potion,                                          who spat it out, and who were forced to                                          drink again, this time with guards clamping                                          their mouths shut, thus forcing the swallowing                                          reflex to carry the lethal juice into                                          their bodies. Further, Clayton heard a                                          great series of at least three cheers                                          of a great many people after a relatively                                          quiet period in the pavilion. He presumed                                          it was Jones&#8217; guards and inner circle                                          stepping over with dignity and joy as                                          he espoused. This was followed by a series                                          of gunshots.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Grover                                          Davis, a senior citizen with a hearing                                          impairment, had not heard the initial                                          call to the pavilion. When he wandered                                          down to the pavilion and saw bodies on                                          the ground and heard the cries of children,                                          he turned and fled, hiding in a well until                                          the next morning.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hyacinth                                          Thrash, long disgruntled with Jim Jones,                                          defied the call to the pavilion, telling                                          her sister Zipporah Edwards that she was                                          sick of Jim Jones and that she was going                                          to bed. She awoke to hear gunfire outside                                          her cottage and a guard yelling for Rheaviana                                          Beam to come out of her cottage and join                                          in the death ritual. Another indication                                          of murder and not a willing suicide.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tim                                          Carter, hoping to get his common law wife                                          Gloria and their son Malcolm out of Jonestown,                                          went to see Jim Jones in the medical tent.                                          What he overheard stunned him. Dick Tropp,                                          the intellectual professor, was arguing                                          that they would go on, that nothing in                                          the world was worth doing what Jim was                                          planning, but Jim would have none of his                                          views. At one point, Maria Katsaris came                                          into the room and whispered into Jones&#8217;                                          ear. He replied, &#8220;Is there any way to                                          make it taste less bitter? No? Well, do                                          whatever you can.&#8221; Tim Carter said his                                          wife Gloria had commented about changing                                          the baby soon, something a mother would                                          certainly not do if she was expecting                                          to commit suicide shortly.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            In                                          May 1978, Debbie Blakey detailed her escape                                          from Jonestown and documented the first                                          solid report that Jim Jones did indeed                                          have a plan calling for the deaths of                                          all of the residents, death to traitors,                                          etc. In addition, she revealed that there                                          was a plan to kill anyone who would not                                          willingly participate in the act.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Terri                                          Buford revealed a plan calling for mass                                          deaths of Peoples Temple members, traitors,                                          and persons who had generally upset Jim                                          Jones over the years. Called &#8220;Last Stand,&#8221;                                          it anticipated that the deaths in Jonestown                                          would be followed by a quiet period to                                          take everyone off guard, and then there&#8217;d                                          be a general assault on traitors and Jim                                          Jones&#8217; enemies list. Likely none of this                                          was ever carried out beyond the deaths                                          in Jonestown. When prominent Temple defectors                                          and critics Jeannie and Al Mills were                                          murdered along with their daughter in                                          the Bay Area fifteen months later, in                                          February 1980, it was initially believed                                          that the hit men had begun their assault                                          on the enemies list. The reports were                                          soon discounted. Nevertheless, Tim Stoen                                          &#8211; former Temple attorney turned &#8220;traitor&#8221;                                          and next door neighbor to the Mills&#8217; &#8211;                                          went into hiding and did not publicly                                          speak about Jonestown until 1988.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p >The secret                                        &#8220;Last Stand&#8221; plan apparently was only known                                        by a select few. The leadership knew that                                        the general population of Jonestown would                                        never participate in this act without severe                                        influence. The inner core of leadership                                        likely included Carolyn Layton, Ann Moore,                                        Maria Katsaris, Judy Ijames, Lew Jones,                                        Johnny Brown Jones, Jim McElvane (albeit                                        in Jonestown only three days, he was Jones&#8217;                                        strongest supporter on the final day, coming                                        to his defense against Miller and others,                                        and intimidating and literally carrying                                        people up to the vat) and others. <\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A                                          letter from Ann Moore to Jim Jones speaks                                          of her desire to participate in the Revolutionary                                          Suicide act that Jim had been formulating                                          and perfecting over the previous year.                                          She detours with a vow to fight and then                                          returns to the virtues of suicide. More                                          incriminating is her reference to putting                                          something in the Jonestown food or drink                                          to catch people off guard, since she does                                          not seem to think that they will willingly                                          participate. She speaks of murdering children                                          with calm nonchalance. Thus was Jim Jones&#8217;                                          grip on the minds of once highly moral,                                          law abiding middle-class families. (Letter                                          archived in California Historical Society).&nbsp;                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                <\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p >But perhaps                                        the most incriminating piece of evidence                                        to corroborate that the act was the fulfillment                                        of a plan for murder plan is tape Q875.                                        Labeled and archived as being located in                                        the Jonestown settlement among the many                                        hundreds of others, the tape is an incredible                                        montage of radio news bulletins recorded                                        on the Peoples Temple recording device.                                        The listener had scanned the radio band                                        for any Jonestown or Ryan news, recorded                                        it, and then moved to the next station.                                        Judging by the content of the news reports,                                        the time would have been after midnight                                        on November 19, 1978. The broadcast refers                                        to &#8220;last evening&#8217;s&#8221; attack on the Ryan party                                        and makes vague references to rumors of                                        a suicide pact at the settlement. <\/p>\n<p >Even more                                        incredibly, voices of Peoples Temple members                                        &#8211; possibly including those of Jim Jones                                        and Maria Katsaris &#8211; can be heard as they                                        calmly converse and shuffle papers in the                                        background. A few might epithets can be                                        heard when the listener disagrees with the                                        assertions of the radio news programs. At                                        one point during the recording, a distant                                        voice is heard questioning someone and a                                        female voice I tentatively identified as                                        Maria&#8217;s answers. She has an allergy or cold                                        as well, since sniffling and sneezing can                                        be heard as well. There are various male                                        voices, almost all unknown, and the opening                                        and closing of a screen door can be heard.                                        Screen doors were prevalent in Jonestown,                                        so perhaps this was recorded in the Jonestown                                        radio room or in Jim Jones&#8217; cabin, which                                        had radio equipment as well. At one point                                        in the tape, a male voice with the familiar                                        accent of Jim Jones asks someone a question                                        referencing the city of Georgetown. <\/p>\n<p >The tape would seem to contradict Stanley                                        Clayton&#8217;s account &#8211; that all members were                                        dead prior to 11 pm on November 18 &#8211; and                                        give credence to the claims of Hyacinth                                        Thrash that someone gave her some food the                                        next morning and that she believed to have                                        seen various people alive on Sunday morning.                                      <\/p>\n<p >More importantly,                                        the entire calm presented and nervous laughter                                        of the individuals on this tape show that                                        this was not likely a spontaneous mass suicide                                        brought on by an impending disaster, but                                        rather a carefully planned act of murder.                                        Jim Jones orchestrated the initiation of                                        the act by ordering the murder of Leo Ryan                                        and his party, thus insuring the arrival                                        of police or the US government. He called                                        the Peoples Temple members into the pavilion,                                        left them sitting there for nearly one hour                                        while his inner circle joined him in plotting                                        the fruition of their plans over the next                                        several hours. <\/p>\n<p >The calm, calculating activities show                                        order and planning, not a hysterical, random                                        act brought on by an expected invasion.                                        These voices don&#8217;t seem to show any concern                                        over any invasion by the GDF or US forces.                                        Indeed, nothing can be heard to indicate                                        any concern at all. These people likely                                        knew the limitations of the GDF and their                                        own isolated location would pre-empt any                                        Guyanese from entering until well after                                        the act was completed. Jim Jones&#8217;s hysterical                                        prediction that the GDF would torture anyone                                        they found when they parachuted into Jonestown                                        was theatrics to terrify members into compliance.                                      <\/p>\n<p >Why the government still holds onto documents                                        found in Jonestown is a mystery which compounds                                        the question of murder. What is in the documents                                        and what plans do they detail?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p >The Jonestown Tragedy is a topic that will never cease to                                        raise questions. As more answers are uncovered,                                        twice the number of questions arise. But                                        for the existence of various letters and                                        recordings, the Tragedy might still be widely                                        viewed as mass suicide and not a mass murder                                        plan of one of history&#8217;s most insane criminal                                        minds.<\/p>\n<p>                                     <i>(Roger Stacy is a regular contributor to <\/i>the jonestown report<i>. His complete collection of writings for the site may be found <a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=17055\">here<\/a>. He may be reached at <a href=\"mailto:rogerdalestacy@gmail.com\">rogerdalestacy@gmail.com<\/a>.)<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The events that spiraled out of control in the then-obscure Latin American country of Guyana left the world stunned and still defy explanation to this day. 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