{"id":60712,"date":"2014-07-06T22:37:52","date_gmt":"2014-07-06T22:37:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=60712"},"modified":"2020-12-30T14:54:07","modified_gmt":"2020-12-30T22:54:07","slug":"q972-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=60712","title":{"rendered":"Q972 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Organ playing<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> How sweet. You may be seated. (Pause) The herculean undertaking lay before us of getting the presses of The Living Word<\/em> into San Francisco, as they have now covered the largest county where our mother church is in Mendocino County. Every home has The Living Word<\/em> . Next step is San Francisco, the next step must be Los Angeles, to flood the ma\u2013 entire area as a protective device, with The Living Word<\/em> , our newspaper. Then from there to Chicago, and from there to Philadelphia, and who knows? From there, perhaps, the nation. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Knowing the undertaking that is before this humble<\/em> band of people who have a treasure hid in earthen vessels, who now have a treasure that they cannot cast before spli\u2013 before swine. Now what is<\/em> that treasure? Some don\u2019t even know what that treasure is. But to you that know <\/em> that treasure, you will never dare speak<\/em> it again, because as Paul said, I am one born<\/em> out of due season. From now on, you must speak by the orders of that which we know to be the oracle<\/em> ofGod<\/em> himself. From now on, by the instructions of he who speaketh expressly what the Spirit hath to say to the church , no longer tell men where God is. No longer tell them. If they have not learned by now, they were meant not<\/em> to know it. They were not supposed<\/em> to understand it. You can speak, come let me tell you of someone <\/em> who heals, who does miracles like none other does. But I said, as I heard it said of yore, when Jesus was ministering, he would say, go tell no man that I am the Christ. He said, don\u2019t tell any man<\/em>. And that\u2019s what I tell you today, don\u2019t tell anyone the treasure you have hid in earthen vessels. Tell no man<\/em> the treasure that\u2019s locked up inside of you. Don\u2019t cast your pearls before swine. They\u2019re not ready <\/em>for it. Because it\u2019s a time, we are born out<\/em> of due season.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But you will have the privilege of knowing as you walk this way, those that had hearts open, you<\/em> will know, and though they were to cut your throat or cut out your tongue, you will say, (Calls out) I know my redeemer liveth. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And in the latter day, I have stood with him on the earth. (Moderates voice) Mmm, but you\u2019ll have to say it in your heart, because publicly, administratively, and jurisdictionally, I command that no one stand on this pulpit and further say that such-and-such is God or some\u2013 someone<\/em> is God. You can say, I know that God is moving<\/em> here in the highest degree, because<\/em> no man can do these<\/em> works, save God be in him.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Say, I need no other voice to speak <\/em>to me. My pastor is speaking in the hundredfold. My pastor has the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit. My pastor has all the fruits <\/em>of the Holy Spirit. My pastor has that which I have looked for in Christ and I have found. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But in these uncertain days in which I have called only to protect you, don\u2019t let anyone name the name of where the spotless,<\/em> immaculate incarnation has taken place. You can allude<\/em> to the mystery, you can speak highly of what it\u2019s done<\/em> for you, but don\u2019t say, such<\/em>-and-such is God, or so<\/em>-and-so is God. It is the command of the Holy Spirit<\/em> of God that this be heard and accommodated throughout the entire administration of God\u2019s kingdom on earth. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You had a foretaste of glory divine. There\u2019ll be times when the school of prophets of the sons and daughters of God will gather as they did in the Proverb of old, and they will talk over sweet times, and they will talk over the inner<\/em> things that have touched our hearts. But in public gatherings, we will sing the name of Jesus, and we will know where the name of Jesus has gained strength to us, we will know what brought the name of Jesus meaning to us, because we are in a greater day<\/em> than it was when the Nazarene walked. The Nazarene would say so frequently, no<\/em> man comes to me\u2013 no man comes to the Father except by me. You see, I am the door. Anyone that comes through any other means is a thief<\/em>. That\u2019s what he said. But in the days of the Nazarene, that is a lesser<\/em> day than our day. This day, it said, greater things shall you do, because I go to the Father. That means we\u2019re living in a greater day. I would adsh\u2013 I would admonish you to listen closely, because you will be disobedient children if you don\u2019t hear what I am now saying. (Pause) So we\u2019re living in a day where fathers are not jealous, fathers do not have to have credit, <\/em>Father on\u2013 only wants organization<\/em>, Father wants to protect his family. Naturally the best protection is when people recognize that the embodiment that is before them manifest the highest<\/em> degree of God. Naturally, the more you see of God in me, the more I can reproduce in you. But our\u2013 our liberty can become a stone of offense, and some who say they know<\/em> God in a body act like they have met a devil. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019re inconsiderate, they\u2019re unselfish [selfish], they trample through the doors when I ask for people to give rides, they trample over one another, they are never uh, as just as they could be, and only act just when they think God\u2019s personal <\/em>presence is on the scene, and they say they think <\/em>that someone is God, but their actions betray that they never uh, once<\/em> have believed that they met God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So it\u2019s a greater day. Not seeking any credit now. A true<\/em> father only wants his children to be protected. He doesn\u2019t even care if they even give him any credit<\/em>. He doesn\u2019t care whether or not they even come back home<\/em>, as long as they can be better people because he has been a good father. That\u2019s the difference between this day and the days of yore. The days of yesterday, it was said, God is a jealous<\/em> God. I know no such characteristic. In this day, God is not<\/em> jealous. God is love. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There may have been a day when people would be struck down because of jealousy, but not in this uh\u2013 not in this age or dispensation. So you are privileged, you\u2019re beautifully privileged. You have walked with him, and you have talked<\/em> with him, and now there\u2019s a change. And those that\u2019ve really known their Redeemer\u2013 (Pause) those that\u2019ve known their Redeemer will be an avant garde, you\u2019ll be on the front lines, but you\u2019ll have to keep it locked up in your hearts. Let it work for you<\/em>. Show people in deeds and actions. Don\u2019t<\/em> preach Christ. (Cries out) Live Christ.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I want to unify the children of men. I have come to unify<\/em> them, and to give glod\u2013 give God the glory, and to give Christ the glory, because that means the superm\u2013 the most uh, (unintelligible word) concept that you can think of, it\u2019s the highest ideal. I have come to give God<\/em>, or good, the glory. I have come to reconcile the children <\/em>of men. I have come to bring every people together than can be brought <\/em>together. And some of you who are ugly and contemptuous, and you say, so-and-so is God, you drive away people. I want to gather the people together<\/em>. And I will have my way, saith God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If God doesn\u2019t mind people ignoring him, why should you? (Pause) Because if anyone gets healed in all of America or throughout this wide terrestrial plane, we <\/em>know who did the work. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If two people at the bottom of the sea off of Ireland get saved in that submarine, (Cries out) we <\/em>know who reached down and brought them up.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We know. And if we want others to know, then we will show them the sweet fragrance. The balm of Gilead will be crushed in our whole disposition, and our characteristics will become the characteristics of Christ, and we\u2019ll let that sweet-smelling savor touch them and woo them. Words <\/em>don\u2019t woo people. Words drive people away. People\u2019s words speak so much, they uh\u2013 their actions, they talk so much, talk talk talk, talk is cheap. (Pause) Yes, it\u2019s true. And it\u2019s so often the case, that my people around, even Peoples Temple, who\u2019ve met the highest degree of God that\u2019s ever been in the universe, people in this atmosphere have met the highest manifestation that\u2019s ever walked on earth. Whether you realize it or not, that\u2019s the truth, and that will settle the question, \u2018cause time will prove that that\u2019s the truth. But I\u2019m saying that some people in Peoples Temple, their actions speak so loud that nobody hears one word <\/em>they\u2019ve got to say.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So be still. My sacred bride, saith God, will know, and they will act like it. And they will win souls by being wise Not be being forward, aggressive, harsh, but they will be winning souls because they\u2019re wise. Their life <\/em>will become a living epistle, and they\u2019ll look at you and they\u2019ll say, why, where do you go to church? Where did you find your salvation? And you will say, come and go with me to<\/em> my father\u2019s house. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I do not want you in any way to betray your knowledge. To betray knowledge is to blaspheme. You\u2019ve got to lock it up in your heart and keep it there as a mystery. But don\u2019t help people along. When you help a chicken out of an egg, you kill it. When you want somebody out of his shell, just keep it warm. Keep the shell warm. Warm<\/em> it with the love that I have set afire on the altar of your heart, flame <\/em>it with the passion of this revolutionary love, (unintelligible), and then it will hatch in its own due time. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s going to be difficult for some of you, because some of you \u2013 I\u2019m not speaking to all of you \u2013 some of you, the only thing you can do well is talk at the wrong time. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re like a child that has a better tricycle. You want to ding-dong about it. You want to ride up and down the street, and show off. Or you\u2019re like a child that has an ice cream cone when somebody else doesn\u2019t have one. You want to show it off. Well, I want you to shut your mouths and show me that you know God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Excited tone) Don\u2019t you ever say I know Jim Jones or so-and-so, don\u2019t you do it, \u2018cause I\u2019ll look in you and I\u2019ll say, (unintelligible) you, don\u2019t you do it. If you know<\/em> somebody\u2019s God, act<\/em> like you know he\u2019s God. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calms) Without what holiness, follow peace and holiness, without which no<\/em> man can see God. So let us beg\u2013 uh, behold his presence by the fact of your actions. If you have peace and holiness, everybody will know you\u2019ve seen God. If you have a pure heart that is free from racism, that is free from war, that is free from capitalism, and that is free from the fascism and ugliness of so-called communism that\u2019s running through the country, trying to do away with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, trying to take away people\u2019s freedom, if you show that you have a pure heart free from all those vices, crimes, all that selfishness that wants to hold onto property and wants to not even (unintelligible word) share your little ol\u2019 automobile to take some stranger home at night, if you will free <\/em>yourself of that, then everyone will know you\u2019ve got a pure heart, and a pure heart will see God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> People know who\u2019s seen God. (Pause) Even little dogs <\/em>know when you\u2019ve seen God. In Philadelphia, somebody was ministering there \u2013 we all know who that was \u2013 someone was ministering<\/em> in Philadelphia, healing the sick, raising the dead, causing to come out of the wheelchair, I think our sister last night with the tambourine was telling you how they (voice trails off)\u2013 when this Spirit \u2013 that we know where he is \u2013 when that Spirit, that elusive and yet powerful, personal quickening Spirit spoke to the woman that was bent over, just bent like a piece of steel, bent between two vices. Yet when someone we<\/em> know, someone we are personally<\/em> acquainted with, said arise, walk and run, that person rose and ran.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And three little boys<\/em> that were starving out there, and we got the whole family coming in tomorrow, it\u2019s costing us hundreds of dollars, gotta be ready for them, \u2018cause we had to send them all the way back to Philadelphia, because I won\u2019t turn away anyone who knows<\/em> who Jesus is. (Pause) And the little boys came up to me in their starving condition, they walked off the street, one of them with a temperature of a hundred and five, walked up there and he said uh, (Pause) to that person that we know, he said, you is God. That person said, no, no, no, I am just uncle. He looked up and he said, no, you is God. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He know no uncle that can raise the dead. He know\u2013 uh, knew no uncle that could take a little stranger in and heal his uh, feverish body, and his feverish body hadn\u2019t even been healed yet. But he knew no one that would feed, no uncle that would do that. You see, everybody knows \u2013 he just a little six-year-old child, but a six-year-old child or whatever his age \u2013 they know<\/em> when God<\/em> is around<\/em>. You cannot tell him it\u2019s an uncle. You can\u2019t tell him anything<\/em>. When they meet God, they know<\/em> they\u2019ve met God, and you won\u2019t have to tell them they\u2019ve met God. And if you have to tell them you\u2019ve met God, you\u2019re going to have a freak<\/em>. (Pause) You hatch a chicken before it\u2019s b\u2013 due, and it\u2019s gonna end up with a bent neck or it\u2019s gonna have a weak le\u2013 weakly leg system, or its circulation will be impaired, and it\u2019ll die<\/em> at an early stage. And I\u2019m telling you, let everybody hatch on their own time. As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive, but every man after his own order. Some of you are in the Ph.D. class. Some settin\u2019 in this room are in kindergarten. Some of you\u2019ve gone through college and you\u2019re in the advanced<\/em> degrees, you have come to the university of the universe<\/em>, and some of you are a\u2013 just beginning first grade. So there\u2019s room for all of us in the same company. But don\u2019t try to bring one in kindergarten up through the twelve grades of high school too fast. (Cries out) Leave them alone. Leave them alone, let other man be persuaded in his own mind.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause if God doesn\u2019t get nervous about people knowing who is the source of life, if God in this<\/em> age doesn\u2019t know what jealousy is, then why should his children behave with that? Why should his children behave with that kind of thing? His children should show no<\/em> jealously, should show no <\/em>resentment. As long as someone\u2019s being in order here, they can pray and praise and shout and be sweet and sing, I don\u2019t care what <\/em>they\u2019re singing or who <\/em>they\u2019re singing to, as long as they\u2019re loving, for God is love. Whoever wants to stand on this court and praise and use terms that I cannot use, they can praise the Lord if they want to. I know in the Hebrew, it is God. The word God is the only original word. You don\u2019t use the word Lord. But if they wish to do so, they can stand up here and say whatsoever they wish, lovingly and sweetly, we\u2019ll have no quarrel with them. We want the world to get together. We\u2019re not going to fuss over some issue uh, uh, that doesn\u2019t feed people. My name<\/em> won\u2019t feed people, but my Spirit will. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now you have never heard such character expressed nor displayed or <\/em>exhibited by anyone who represented the most high. Never before have you seen anyone that could take all the glory, give<\/em> the glory to others. Not in all the annals of scripture or all biblical exegis [exegesis] and all the translations of history have you seen one that had the power to uh, separate the darkness from light, to cause dry land to appear, to cause the cripple to walk, the blind to see, and to walk on water, and to materialize food, and translate himself from one place in time and space thousands of miles to another place, you have never heard such a power give the power and the glory to somebody else.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Calls out) But I have just given the power and the glory to you. Now you<\/em> live like you have known God. Let men see your<\/em> good works, that they might glorify your heaven and your holy father. Let men see your good works. Don\u2019t talk about Jim. That won\u2019t do. Show them you first. If you\u2019re a neighbor that\u2019s being ugly, and you won\u2019t share the uh, ki\u2013 kindnesses and niceties with your neighbor, if you wouldn\u2019t give them a uh, cry\u2013 crust of bread, if you wouldn\u2019t give them some assistance when they\u2019re a low time, don\u2019t expect them to hear what you\u2019ve got to say about Jim. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Go about with a magnificent obsession of this eternal goodness that I am, and that I have inculcated, and I am now incarnating. Take it abroad. Shed it abroad in people\u2019s hearts, that they will see Jesus so sweetly, they will recognize God so beautifully, that they will beat a path to your doorstep, and when they beat a path to your doorstep, you can beat another path that will lead them to the highest doorstep that there is the world today. And we know where that is.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (sings) Let the beauty of Jesus be seen in me\/ All his\u2013 <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> (sings) \u2013wonderful passion and purity<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (sings) O Thou Spirit divine, let all nature refine\/ Till the beauty of Jesus be seen in me. (tape edit) Hallelujah. <\/p>\n

Organ plays<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If Jesus is here, then the ones that know he\u2019s here will make more noise and praise and thanksgiving. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> They\u2019ll let their light so shine outside that men can see their good works, and inside they\u2019ll make a joyful noise. They\u2019ll have a sweet smile. There\u2019ll be a countenance on their countenance that\u2019s not like anyone else. Everybody will know that Jesus is here. And that\u2019s what the world needs to know, that somebody <\/em>is making God real on earth today. Hallelujah. (Pause) Bless you. (Pause) My, my, my, my. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Last night we saw every miracle conceivable. We saw cripples healed, we saw braces removed, we saw cancers spit up, we saw a knee that had a tumor upon it that the bones had not healed, we saw them healed so someone could run beautifully. We\u2019ve seen everything, and we know<\/em> that we\u2019ve seen a better life. We know we\u2019ve seen a better life.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> In the future, as I\u2019ve said, you are privileged now, you\u2019ve known the words social, we\u2019re now translating it to apostolic. Now it\u2019s the highest manifestation of God, or the very strongest messenger of God, or the only voice <\/em>of God. So we\u2019ll be careful, because we\u2019re walking through a strange land. We\u2019re looking like Abraham did, we\u2019re looking for a city whose builder and maker is God or goodness. We have left the city of the Ur of Chaldees because it had nothing good in it, its foundations were poor. So we\u2019ve left that old order. It was given to exploitation, Abraham said. It shed the blood of innocents. So we\u2019re leaving the Ur of the Chaldees and we\u2019ve got to move on to the Promised Land, and you gotta be careful, because there\u2019re many thieves on the road.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Murmurs of assent, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We do not want to have a confrontation over the name<\/em> of God, but we are going to have a confrontation over the nature<\/em> of God. Now some of you did not catch what I just said. We do not wish<\/em> to have a fight over the name of God, but we do wish to start a revolu\u2013 uh, a revolution<\/em> over the nature of God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Cheers and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We\u2019re going to transform the world <\/em>by the revolution of the nature of God. And we know what that nature of God was, it was on the Day of Pentecost when they sold their possessions and had all things common. That\u2019s the nature<\/em> of God. God is love. Now if you get the nature of God, finally, the name will catch up with the nature. (Pause) In the old system, you had to get the name before you could get the nature, now I\u2019ve told you, you can get the nature and let the name catch up with the nature.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Laughs) People stand around like it was in the Sonship degree, they were standing around in Jesus\u2019 day, stand around and say, well, I\u2019m he. Said many mighty works I would do except for unbelief. Well, you don\u2019t talk like that. Surely, many mighty works you\u2019d do except for unbelief, but the point is, you don\u2019t tell them that you\u2019re he<\/em>. (Pause) Hmm? Some grasping what I\u2019m saying? <\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Remember when he went in there by uh, Galilee, and stood up in the temple, and he said the spirit of God is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. He opened up the book of the rabbis, he opened up the tetrarch, he opened up the holy writings. (Pause) He said this day, the spirit of God is upon me, or in me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. Well, the gospel means good news, and good news to the poor would have to mean giving them land, jobs, an end to war, and an end to economic and social or racial distress. He said he has anointed me to heal, what? the broken-hearted. (Pause) To set at liberty those that were, what? bruised. To bring deliverance to what? those who were in prison. (Pause) He was all right, (unintelligible word) he was all right till that point. He shoulda then just stopped, \u2018cause now God learning more. Shoulda stopped and gone out through Galilee and done some work. But what\u2019d he do? According to King James, he closed the book and said, this day is fulfilled in your midst. You don\u2019t talk before you prove. You prove and then you talk. (Pause) You\u2019re not following me, I\u2013 Some of you are not with me, (unintelligible word), all right, anyway.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He closed that Bible in (unintelligible word) synagogue before they\u2019d seen<\/em> anything. And all hell broke loose. It said that they took the body of Jesus and if it were possible, they\u2019da throwed him headlong over the cliff. But he managed to escape. King James makes it much more melodramatic than it was, it was an awful job. (Laughs) I remember. (Pause) And he had to leave<\/em> Galilee\u2013 that\u2019s what your book says, said Luke, the fourth chapter said he had to leave Galilee, because there was so much disturbance, and he said many mighty works I would do, but\u2013 but a prophet is not without honor save in his own country, and said he couldn\u2019t heal anybody there, he had to go over where? to Capernaum<\/em>. He had to get about a hundred and twenty-five miles away, down the road to Capernaum. He had to go clear around the other side of the Sea of Galilee, because he couldn\u2019t do anything there. He made his mistake. He shoulda just preached<\/em> the gospel, and shut his mouth right then. (Pause) Say, you\u2019re telling me that they\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2013 that the body of God then shoulda shut his mouth? Yes. Because God learns obedience. Jesus learned obedience through the things that he suffered. He was made perfect<\/em>. That means he wasn\u2019t<\/em> perfect. It says he was made <\/em>perfect through what? Suffering<\/em>. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He was made conformable to the image of the cross\u2013 or the Christ through the death of the cross. Somebody that\u2019s already perfect doesn\u2019t have to be made conformable. Somebody that\u2019s already perfect does not have to learn obedience. Jesus didn\u2019t start with a silver spoon in his mouth. He learned through suffering. And so we have learned, because he has come and gone. We have learned, because now we<\/em> are back in the Fathership<\/em> degree. We\u2019re living in the d\u2013 age of the Fathership<\/em>. It\u2019s not Jesus or Son, it\u2019s God the Father<\/em>. We\u2019re praying to the Father directly<\/em>, those that have the mystery hid in their hearts. They don\u2019t pray to the Son<\/em> now, they don\u2019t go through Mother Mary, (cries out) they go to God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Hallelujah. And so Jesus woulda done well if he\u2019da closed<\/em> the Bible and not said this day is it fulfilled in your midst. Thing for him to\u2019ve done was to read the Bible and reached out over the audience and called somebody out with a cancer and healed them. (Pause) You understand the mystery.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Murmurs of assent<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Some of you don\u2019t understand the mystery, some of you don\u2019t even know you\u2019re in church tonight.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Ministerial cry) They said after Jesus said this day, the Spirit of God is upon me, because he\u2019s anointed me to preach the Gospel to the poor. That means to give good news to the poor. (Voice moderates) Well, the thing he ought to\u2019ve done was to come in with some food<\/em>. (Pause) (Calm) Not said anything. Or if he did indeed say it, af\u2013 af\u2013 after he had finished it there, in the Luke, the fourth chapter, and Matthew about the third chapter, he shoulda then, just\u2013 at the end of his sermon, instead of said this day, I\u2019m the one, he should\u2019ve not said that, but just said, bring out the food. We\u2019re all going to share and have food here. And the poor<\/em> woulda got the message. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> And if he said then, (unintelligible word), I\u2019m here to heal the broken-hearted, he reached out like I have done in every meeting and healed somebody of cancer or took a crippling diseases away, or opened up the blinded eyes, or took in little poor children and\u2013 or older lonely people and gave them homes, everybody would know <\/em>that he was there to heal the broken-hearted, but he got his words <\/em>ahead of his actions, and they nearly throwed him over a cliff<\/em>. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He got his words before his actions, and they nearly killed <\/em>him. (Pause) (Calls out) And a whole lot of you here always<\/em> have got your mouth before your actions.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If I\u2019d meet some of you on the street, the way you act, the way you act in your homes, \u2018cause I\u2019m televising you every day. (Pause) I spent the day in meditation, where I\u2019ve been watching, going from one kitchen to one bedroom or one job to another, just set my x-ray vision here, there and everywhere, been looking all over Los Angeles and surrounding parts, and I been looking in some of these places, and if some of you were to tell me you\u2019d met Jesus, I\u2019da said you\u2019re a fool. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> See somebody come to blows, nearly, with somebody on the job. See somebody else, beating their child around the face. See somebody else, stealing <\/em>something in the store. Then you tell somebody you\u2019ve met Jesus.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You say, you\u2019ve been talkin\u2019 \u2018bout meeting Jesus, but you don\u2019t know it, you did<\/em>. You been talking about it, but you did. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (under breath) Hmph. (Pause) Now, beloved, we\u2019re going to get on with this work, \u2018cause I want to protect you, and if I<\/em> don\u2019t protect you, believe me, there nobody else going to. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause I\u2019m here in the name of Jesus. We got our work to do. We gotta restore the Temple, we gotta get the presses to get the word out, because if we build up a fence around us, you heard the song that they sung, that this sister had inscribed of my spirit in her mind, and she wrote that song, \u201cFather\u2019s Built a Fence Around Us.\u201d Well, part of that fence is the press that\u2019ll protect you. When others\u2013 when they come for other blacks, browns and poor whites, my press will be a fence around you. It\u2019ll be like an umbrella, like it was a cloud that followed the children through the Egypt land, the cloud by day and a fire by night. I\u2019ll have a cloud of the press to protect you, the crowd\u2013 the cloud of newspapers will protect you, if you\u2019ll get onto it. Now I want every one of you to get a project and get on with these promotion campaigns to raise funds so that I can protect you, because they\u2019re going to come from uh, (pause) the high seat of power. Spiritual wickedness in high places is going to come <\/em>to take<\/em> people and put them in jails. Right now, they\u2019re trying to get an executive order passed that will empower the president of this United States to put people in concentration camps without one consultation with Congress<\/a>]. Now it won\u2019t happen to you, but you\u2019ve got to cooperate with me. You want to be free? Then cooperate with me. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m surprised always that people who are like me, who are just as black as I am, I\u2019m surprised at them every once in a while say, well, it (unintelligible word) won\u2019t happen here. (Pause) You remember Grandma? It happened to Grandma. I guess those chains that they were in were real. I guess Harriet Tubman, when she was trying to protect one of her\u2013 uh, just a s\u2013 a slave comrade and they hit her in the head with a steel weight, one of those old steel weights that they had in the old wagon days, hit her in the head and caused her brain never to function quite right at times, because she\u2019d go to sleep, that great body of God in that day, Harriet Tubman, she\u2019d go to sleep st\u2013 uh, sitting at the wagon, she\u2019d sleep for ten hours, nobody could ever do anything for her after that white man hit her in the head with that steel weight, because she was trying to save\u2013 uh, keep\u2013 put her body between him and beating a slave. But Harriet Tubman\u2013 you don\u2019t tell her about\u2013 don\u2019t tell some of our loved ones, our\u2013 our relatives, don\u2019t tell \u2018em\u2013 tell them that it won\u2019t happen. (Pause) \u2018Cause Harriet Tubman had a price on her head and had to steal through the night, the Underground Railroad, she had to work hard to get 300 people to freedom, spent all of her life just getting 300 people to freedom. It wasn\u2019t easy. She had a lot of unbelievers, too. Her husband [John Tubman] said, I like\u2013 I like it here, I\u2019d like to sit down. She let him sit down. Said, I will be free. She left her husband, her brothers wouldn\u2019t come along, she left them sit down. Her family wouldn\u2019t come along, there was nobody but her. She said I\u2019m not gonna be a slave for no one. And she had to slide and crawl like a snake through the night, but she got through and made it to freedom.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She loved Mr. Tubman very much, (Pause) but he didn\u2019t love freedom, and she loved freedom more than she did Mr. Tubman. That\u2019s why people say, (stumbles over words) folks (unintelligible word) love Peoples Temple and father more. Yes, you\u2013 that means you should love freedom <\/em>more. You should<\/em> love freedom more than your old lady or your old man, any day. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Delayed applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Say, my old man\u2019s working for freedom. Is he working for freedom like we are? Or is he feeding his belly? Setting up with a beer in front of the TV, or snoozin\u2019 every night, while you wash the dishes. Now what\u2013 who loves freedom the most> (Pause) Now you have to make up your mind. I know who\u2019s the\u2013 I know without even asking the question, but you gotta make up your mind. You gotta put up before\u2013 uh, whoever you put up\u2013 uppermost in your mind should be the one that follows God or freedom the most. You know your old man wouldn\u2019t lift a finger if they come to get you. He\u2019d let \u2018em take you to jail. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Scattered murmurs of assent<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m not talkin\u2019 \u2018bout those in the household of faith, but you know\u2013 a whole lot of you\u2013 you\u2019re married to a man or a woman who wouldn\u2019t lift a finger. They\u2019d come for you, say, I don\u2019t know him. <\/p>\n

Female voice in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what Harriet Tubman\u2019s husband did. (Pause) Said I\u2019m not with her. And she had to crawl like a snake to get to freedom. And she crawled back, after she got to freedom, (deliberate)ninety-six times to bring out 300 people. Crossed that line from Maryland into freedom, but her heart would not be content, because there was some people still back there that didn\u2019t have freedom, so she\u2019d crawl back through there at night, and dress up like a man, be beat, then sometimes she\u2019d dress up\u2013 she\u2019d\u2013 she\u2019d stoop her\u2013 her body was stooped from the weight of slavery. But she managed to straighten up her back with all of her painful arthritis and dress herself as an elegant colonial white woman and be in a carriage. She could cook up more deals, and she\u2019d have twenty slaves on the floor of that carriage. That was Harriet Tubman. But people want to follow all these old religious jacklegs. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Somebody said they want to put a picture of Jesus on the wall. I said put a picture of Harriet. Then I\u2019ll put a picture of Jesus when you put a picture of Harriet on the wall. Harriet was a grand, grand woman. She\u2019d walking down the road, and some of her relatives\u2013 She walking down the road with \u2018em, she had some of her relatives along. (Pause) They decide, we can\u2019t go no more, Harriet, we\u2019re not going. She put her old trusted revolver up to head, she said, Move (claps hands once) or die. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause <\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause I told <\/em>you what she did with a Bible, I shan\u2019t repeat that. All right, maybe one more time, \u2018cause then you\u2019ll have to lock it up in your heart. Preacher got in a meeting, you know, and said to Harriet, said uh, you got no business being up here talkin\u2019, \u2018cause the Bible said women keep silent in the churches. Said, slaves are to obey<\/em> their master. But the preacher was preaching this was an old jackleg that was in the master\u2019s servant, and he had everything going for him. He was a spy for the colonial master, and the old jackleg said, you\u2019re to obey your master. Said, well, you\u2013 you don\u2019t\u2013 you don\u2019t know how bad it is out here in the fields. She say, why should I obey the masters? Said, the Bible says so. The Word of God. She said, well, where\u2013 get it out and show it to me. (Pause) He got it out, the book, and she said, is this the word of God? The Word from God, huh? She put it up to her ear. (Pause) Said, don\u2019t say nothin\u2019 to me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause indeed, that\u2019s the truth<\/em>. This is\u2013 this letter will kill you. Says the\u2013 this very\u2013 the very Second Corinthians 3:6 says the letter of the Bible, Letter to Romans, Letter to Corinthians, the letter will kill<\/em> you, the letter will murder<\/em> you. Bibles murder, but Spirit, freedom, God is love, God is truth, God is freedom. Freedom will make you alive. Said, I don\u2019t hear nothin\u2019. Said, oh Harriet, you\u2019re being sacrilegious. She said, you said it\u2019s the word of God. Now I want to hear it talk<\/em>. \u2018Cause I heard you say what it says, and if you say what it says, it don\u2019t make any sense. That I\u2019m a woman, I\u2019m not supposed to talk. I\u2019m not supposed to talk in your church, I\u2019m not supposed to ask any question. Said I\u2019ll\u2013 my husband, he won\u2019t even talk to me anyway, and he won\u2019t even go <\/em>to church. (Pause) He said, it\u2019s the word of God, Harriet. Said, then let it talk. He said, well, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you what it says. Then I can\u2019t read nor write. She couldn\u2019t read a word. I\u2019m not going tell you, I\u2019m gonna take it from you what it can say. Say we\u2019d have to learn to read, said if it\u2019s the word from God, it oughta be able to talk for itself. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Said, Harriet, I\u2019m tellin\u2019 you, if you don\u2019t listen to the Bible, I\u2019m gonna turn you in to the master. Said, that\u2019s what I thought. Said, that\u2019s what I thought all the time. Said, you\u2019re just tryin\u2019 to\u2013 She said, you\u2019re just tryin\u2019 to do me in. Said, let me hear that thing one more time. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Said don\u2019t say nothin\u2019 to me. She opened it up and she said, oh my, that paper, though. That paper does a lot of good. Said, I\u2019ll use that at the backhouse.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now if you want to hear about the prophets\u2013 and they called her Moses, she never named herself Moses, but finally after they called her Moses \u2018cause she\u2019d slip in at night and she\u2019d uh\u2013 she learned the old crackly voice, that was the\u2013 that was the key<\/em> to the slaves. What is it, (sings) \u201cGo down Moses, way down Egypt land, Tell old Pharaoh to let my people go.\u201d (Speaks) They\u2019d hear it in the middle of the night, after she crawled. She didn\u2019t listen to no jackleg preacher, she didn\u2019t listen to no Bible, she listened to freedom. She\u2019d get down there and she\u2019d get in the (unintelligible word) because they got to sayin\u2019 Moses. They named her Moses. And she\u2019d sing it with a crack in her voice, they said that anybody knew it was her because there no voice like her. How\u2019s it go? I\u2019d like to\u2013 I\u2019d love to have s\u2013 a few more Harriets around instead of these Jesus freaks. Ooh. (Pause) Yeah, we gotta lotta people in a white Jesus bag. We need to know who our prophets were. Harriet was a great prophetess. (unintelligible) I\u2019da liked to been back there, and maybe I was. (Short laugh) (sings) \u201cGo down Moses, way down in Egypt land, Tell old Pharaoh \u2013 ha-ha! \u2013 let my people go. Go down\u2013\u201d (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> She didn\u2019t believe a word of that ole book, but she took out the Spirit of that book. I notice some of you look kind of gunny-shy [gun shy] when you\u2013 I told you she put that gun up to her aunt, said Move or die. You know why she had to do that? \u2018Cause she knew the enemy. (Pause) If that aunt had stepped there\u2013 stepped aside, and the old slavemasters got a hold of her, they\u2019da tortured her, and her underground railroad woulda been told to everybody\u2013 Everybody woulda known. Said, Harriet, you wouldn\u2019t shoot me, I\u2019m your auntie. She said, dead men tell no tales. <\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Stirs, then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, Harriet\u2019s God<\/em>. She\u2019s a God. We oughta fill our children\u2019s minds with\u2013 Oh, he said, No, no, no. Yes, yes, that\u2019s what Jesus said when they took him, when he didn\u2019t even know why, he said, for what good work do you take me? He said, for no good work, but because, you being a man, call yourself God. In that tenth chapter, he said, (deliberate enunciation of each word) ye all are gods. Harriet knew she wasn\u2019t gonna listen to no jackleg or no black\u2013 white man\u2019s book. She was all the God she needed to listen to. And if you\u2019ve got more God than me, you don\u2019t listen to me. If you know more how to raise the dead spiritually and physically than me, but don\u2019t listen to me. Only listen to me if you think you need to. But I\u2019ll tell you, you need me now to get a family together that can stand up against Pharaoh. That\u2019s why you need me. But if you had more power to do it than I, go do <\/em>it. \u2018Cause I\u2019d follow you<\/em>. (Pause) But until you can do<\/em> some things that I do, you better be glad to be in here and be just a member of the family and pull together.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2018Cause I remember who it was that got Angela Davis free. Remember when I told it would be done, and I put my money where my mouth was. I did the same thing with Billy Smith. I did the same thing for many a black political prisoner. I did the same thing for Dr. Daniel Ellsberg, told exactly how he\u2019d be freed without a jury trial. Did the same thing over in Florida today. Didn\u2019t know how I was gonna do it, but I knew in my mind I was gonna get it done. Sure, it may bring about fascism, but I caused Southern jury to let all those young people go. They\u2013 Because they stood up against the state.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> The Gainesville trial. Black and white of the\u2013 black and white that stood up against this rotten military orders of a rotten regime. There\u2019s no place that used to be worse to go to trial than in Florida. But the difference was, (sings) there was a thirteenth man on the jury.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Said, who\u2019s the thirteenth man. (sings) If you don\u2019t know, I\u2019m not going to tell you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s what we\u2019re up to, is to get in that spirit that she had. Said I figured out, no Bible\u2019s gonna tell me anything that makes no more sense than that. But she said, I do know one thing, I got two choices in this life, liberty or dying, and I\u2019d rather die than not be free.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So hold the name of Harriet Tubman high, and I\u2019d wish you\u2019d get a picture here, I\u2019ve asked before it, and I have it in our Temple, the mother church, put her up. \u2018Cause she was one of those that knew God, even though she didn\u2019t know your book and didn\u2019t know the white man\u2019s religion, didn\u2019t like<\/em> the white man\u2019s religion, but she had the spirit that said (sings) \u201clet my people go.\u201d (speaks) Let me hear you sing it again. (sings) \u201cGo down \u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/b> (sings) \u201cGo down Moses, way down in Egypt land, Tell old Pharaoh, let my people go.\u201d (Applause)<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/b> Sings<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Get Mary to freedom again while she\u2019s singing it. Some of you who lost your freedom, cry. <\/p>\n

Mary:<\/b> Sings<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Aha, Spirit!<\/p>\n

Mary:<\/b> Sings<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/p>\n

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