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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. <\/strong><\/i>If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. <\/strong><\/i>Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013 child. I am (unintelligible under microphone movement) neurologist. Take him out of the country.<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> We realize that these are tension-inducing experiences that are to our disdain, but we will never secure our people until they\u2019re prepared to lay down our lives for our people. That\u2019s why always we have more security here every day than you can get in a lifetime in capitalistic, fascistic, racist USA. Please step up production to double so (unintelligible) will give us that kind of report tonight. Get out there and get medals of honor, just socialist badges of courage that will show from your heart, socialist victories of production. Cuba did not know from one day to the next for ten years whether they ever could survive. The invading hordes were constantly penetrating their land. CIA was trying to destroy their weather. They dropped viruses that swept the entire island, to eliminate their pig population, and goodness know how many times they tried to kill (unintelligible word) Castro and many other leaders in their country. It was so bad that Che Guevara said, we have a war psychosis. Cost Cuba forty percent of production for years and years. We cannot afford any loss of production, \u2018cause we have a broader prospect than they, I can assure you. When at that time, USA would not tolerate in any way the existence of communism under their nose because of the dreaded Monroe Doctrine. But they changed out of necessity. You must be so bound together in eternal fraternal solidarity, there\u2019ll be no question that they will understand that we will not perish, no matter what comes or goes, with our thousand-plus strong, is a great bargaining tool, guaranteeing the thousand-strong our right to eat, to have our medical care so that no one can come to get any one of you. And that\u2019s a security you\u2019ll never know. Not even sixty seconds, did you have that in the United States. You did not know when one of your loved ones was going to be yanked away by some false charges of the police. You might be a powerful policeman one day like Graham (unintelligible name), young man who now and the next being hunted everywhere. That\u2019s the life of capitalism. Here you<\/em> know no one will come for you today, take you away from your loved ones. And that security is worth fighting for. We will persist, we shall overcome. Produce gallantly. Produce gallantly, I said.<\/p>\n

The earmarks of decay in the USA are there. Much more race riots have broken out due to further unemployment. Now it\u2019s in the auto-related fields and the rubber companies, tire companies. The coal mag\u2013 The coal mines are still unsettled. The workers are very disgruntled. Though forced by federal law, they could not strike any longer, and brought to their knees by almost starvation.<\/p>\n

We\u2013 We have so much. Starvation never<\/em> need be a problem to us, because of the food surrounding us. Again being up all night, all the live-long night. If I can see<\/em> that every cloud does<\/em> have a silver lining, that there is more than a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then you show it, witness it, evidence it, demonstrate it. Significant, highly significant, that we\u2019ve finally got the Tass Russian correspondent, the largest newspaper in the entire world, to come, so let\u2019s beautify this place as we never did before, so (unintelligible word) it done to level that floor in the pavilion, kill flies\u2013 everyone kill flies, every minute, have a fly swatter. That\u2019s the only distracting thing. Eliminate the little pools and puddles where insects breed, particularly mosquitoes, shoot them down. And lift up the glorious unity, solidarity, cooperative production that Marxist-Leninism has brought our souls and minds. It\u2019s (unintelligible word) the inspiration and life consistently demonstrated by your leader.<\/p>\n

You will not get further news, because we want to pursue goals of production, to step up till seven o\u2019clock this afternoon, to make up for the loss of a day and a half. It had to be, we want other little things, renegotiations on the doctor [Larry Schacht] when they said they wouldn\u2019t move any more opportunities for us to break through. Reassuring conversation call from [Laurence Mann] the ambassador of Guyana to USA. He\u2019s going to our San Francisco Temple. Statements of praise from many of the Guyanese leaders, and apparently the deep opinion in Cuba that there\u2019ll be a continuation of moving in this country towards socialism. The constitution does not represent danger to socialism, just a delay of the elections. The USSR also told us the same, the Russian ambassador, that socialism will go on in this country, but it took a White Night to persevere on the mind of the government cabinet spokesman to us to give us some of the information, vital to our life and survival.<\/p>\n

Life is not without obstacles. The road to our victory fraught with difficulties. But we know where we\u2019re going, and we have each other. And the great news that, if we wanted to use it, we could take our boat to Cuba. That is significant, very significant that we could put our people in Cuba. And details can be worked out if that ever became necessary for our own solidarity, because the Cubans would know that assimilation of any people, if you do not speak their language, and come uh\u2013\u00a0from a different culture. We would prefer to be with a structure that they were familiar with for some time. There is a logic there that can be appealed to (unintelligible word) there was question that we could continue as a group. So we are making that appeal, and we will (unintelligible word) to let you know moment by moment, any information.<\/p>\n

Solar storm over the atmosphere is affecting our radio communications, so Paula [Adams] again will go into Kaituma and wait for the landline, so that we can get the information and answers that we need. And we will let you know all there is the very first thing. Bad news or good news, I can give you a peace, to pacify our understanding, because there\u2019s no elitism, no sexism, no racism, no special privilege, no class division. You participate in all the process of your own life. You know our obstacles, you know our victories, and if you don\u2019t know my love, it\u2019s because you don\u2019t want to see it. I love you so deeply and push my very tired and worn fatigued body, day after day and night after night without rest. I do love you.<\/p>\n

There is no particular change in the world news events. Liberation struggle continues in Africa. Keep yourself highly informed for tests on socialism in the socialist classes on Saturday. There\u2019ll also be a great talent night then, and tonight with the movies and special advanced class for teachers to coordinate our pro-Soviet teaching in every class. All are to greet me with Comrade Jim, Comrade Jim, and Comrade Marceline [Jones], Comrade Marceline, Comrade Marceline. I just repeated it twice to get you to see, as you say, hello. Or you can say certainly I love you, or smile graciously and say hi, Comrade Jim, hi, Comrade Marcy. We will greet each other with a salute, our fist leftward\u2013\u00a0our left hand lifted and greet with a smile as you go by, so that people can tell how deeply committed to communism on the road to socialism, leading to the destiny and certain consummation of communism, where all traces and vestiges of discrimination, every form of special privilege is totally dead. It is now institutionally dead, but some try to take advantage and use position. We shall persist until not only the institutions of class division are dead, and that\u2019s the last \u2013 elitism \u00ad\u2013 because sexism, ageism, racism is<\/em> dead, as an institution, as it said in Cuba, may hang over in Cuba in seven year old, middle class, but the institutions and the laws that safeguard racism are\u2013\u00a0are completely abolished.<\/p>\n

Here racism is dead, not only as institution, but in the hearts and minds of the mass of this great collective. So you have no fear from racism, ageism, sexism is no problem, being the most emancipated of all women in the world, and the most knowledgeable. That I can assure you. So let us work that elitism dies its own natural death. Then we can begin to talk about being out of socialism and entering into communism, which point some day our conscience can be sensitized, like your Father\u2019s is sensitized, like your comrade leader Jim and Marcy, to do good for good\u2019s sake, to be there because you\u2019re counted on, to push your body, though you\u2019re tired, because of deepest and most abiding peace that comes in life is from being true<\/em> to those that need you and look to you for your guidance and strength.<\/p>\n

I love you, and I\u2019m thus a pure communist, because no one makes me be good. I don\u2019t need goodies, laws or incentives or rewards. In fact, I have learned of death ever since my childhood dying daily, tortured daily, to love others, to fight for them, to win their battles, \u2018cause I could have only my problem, but I took on all of yours, over a thousands of you. That means I won\u2019t have a thousand times more than my own individual problems, \u2018cause I\u2019m concerned about everything that happens to you, every problem of yours is mine, any touch on you is a touch on me.<\/p>\n

But you have much more to gain by being in that kind of a movement. You don\u2019t have all the responsibilities that I do, and even so, if you did, it\u2019s so rich and rewarding to know that your life has meaning and that you\u2019re not just living for your own selfish ambition. You have a thousand buffers that no one can take your food from you, your shelter, your children, or good medical care. You have a million evidences and demonstrations of Father\u2019s love to stop you from going to jail, to even put his own life in jail to save yours, to see that you get the best medical care by shipping you around the world, if necessary, to the most competent surgeons. Your Father cares. He is a communist, and his ideal towers above us, his model highly exalted, proven in consciousness, full and practice. Look to him. Look to that hill, that mountain of communist example from whence cometh your strength. We shall demonstrate that out of the church, a great instrument of revolutionary institution can come. We will show by our uplifted salute and our hello comrades and our socialist classes and our socialist singing and entertainment and our socialist condact\u2013 conduct, our socialist medicine, our socialist housing, our socialist food, equality, Central Supply equality, our communist conduct. Oh yes. We shall prove by every phase our communist educational system, our communist caring and sharing, our communist fraternity. Some already show. You work without supervision. That\u2019s what it means to be a communist.<\/p>\n

The final stage shall be no police, no rules, because every conscience will guide. People will be a communist because they know it\u2019s right, and that it offers more protection to everyone. Oh, how your children and seniors are protected and buffered these days. Every baby has come in here, healthy and cared for, when every baby that was in the mother\u2019s womb was a miracle, because in the States they would\u2019ve died. We\u2019ve run into problems with every baby that was born, that would\u2019ve been unsurmountable without Father\u2019s keen protection and tremendous medical staff, his miraculous overly\u2013 his miraculous overview that never<\/em> fails, has never failed you yet, when you open your channels and don\u2019t lie, and are honest with him, and don\u2019t break any community rule.<\/p>\n

Remember the laws against stealing. Amnesty has passed. Anyone caught with things that do not belong to you will be punished and disciplined severely. All are to put a list of your goods into Central Supply. That must be persisted by Central Committee. Inspection\u2013 Inspection Committee. That must be persisted until every person\u2019s file of goods are in Central Supply so we can protect the things you have. And there will be instant inspections throughout the community. Be sure<\/em> you do not have anything that doesn\u2019t belong to you.<\/p>\n

I love you very, very deeply. We\u2019ll give you news later on in the day. Keep on pushin\u2019. Keep on strugglin\u2019, because it\u2019s worth it all. We have proven that you can live above the animal, the raging senseless aggressive animal, and that we can be a high dimensional person, a communist at the end. I<\/em> proved it, being born and spawned in poverty, being brutalized by a parent, being held down, till I shoulda been the most aggressive, the most unkind, the most uncooperative, the most sensitive capitalist \u2013 sensitive to money \u2013 and I am indeed the most sensitive human being to caring, the most sensitive humanitarian, the most sensitive uh, Father that the world has ever seen. I reversed the role. I took my suffering and used it for your<\/em> goodness and for your help. So that can be done. If I could come through such pain and give up a millionaire role and all the luxuries of America, and take on such immense pain. You don\u2019t have that, but you have immense protection.<\/p>\n

Thank you that carry on the burden with me, and if everyone would do their job, and must, as Dr. [Forbes] Burnham says, from each according to his ability to each according to his work, and so did Fidel Castro, so let us all see that we work in honor today. Go after the flies, beautify every phase of our productivity, increase it today, beautify our property better than it\u2019s ever been, and we\u2019ll give special acknowledgements, awards and rewards.<\/p>\n

I love you. Produce for socialism, for the ones we love back there, let them see this land and enjoy and have the privilege of meeting destiny shoulder to shoulder with the people they care for, not having to be lonely in that vacuum, that hell out there.<\/p>\n

Great victories from this White Night two days. We shall continue. We\u2019ve won them all before. That gives great courage to go on and face the future, for our children and our beloved seniors, and many in between. What a shelter we have. Our own land, means of protecting our land, thirty miles round. The beautiful air and the scenery, we don\u2019t take it in, uh, appreciation enough, the lovely temperature, what it does for the blood pressure, what it\u2019s done for arthritis and the heart and other diseases. We just don\u2019t appreciate this air, this climate, the beauty, the birds, where children commune with animals and nature and lovely, lovely scenes that we can just look up around us, even in the warmest part of the day. There\u2019s nothing like the sunrise this morning, the sunset last night.<\/p>\n

So fill your heart with gratitude when you pass your neighbor, say something to build<\/em> gratitude, \u2018cause you\u2019ve got the best possible world. Capitalists with all their billions don\u2019t have one day of feeling this kind of security, a thousand strong, and a Father unmatched in his devotion and loyalty to all of you. They\u2019d give their eye, they\u2019d give their body to know it. And so appreciate it. I love you very much.<\/p>\n

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(Part 2) <\/strong><\/p>\n

[fake French accent] Attention. Attention. [normal voice] Attention. Attention. Attention. (Pause) Another breakthrough. Another breakthrough. Another breakthrough. (Pause) The article that was also a part of the concessions that we got \u2013 that we demanded, that we demanded, as you know, in the White Night \u2013 the article praising our entertainment revue, in the news article in the largest newspaper in Guyana, the organ of the Peoples National Congress, The Guyana Chronicle<\/em>, praised us today. They carried our article after all these days. After all these days, we were praised in The Guyana Chronicle<\/em> in a very good article that we wrote, that I dictated, rewrote ourselves. That was a part of our White Night demand, which I forgot to tell you yesterday, was granted. It didn\u2019t seem to me that that was life or death, but I should\u2019ve for\u2013 not forgotten, but I also wanted to see that it was there<\/em>, because we had been promised four times b\u2013 before, and we talked kindly and did not make demands, and we talked four times before kindly and did not make demands, they promised it would be in the next day. They promised it would be in on two Sundays, and it was never there. This time, the publisher and editor intervened, and the article was in the newspaper today. So that circulates all through Guyana. The article praising our cultural show and our project was in The Guyana Chronicle<\/em>, a very large, good article was in the Chronicle<\/em> today. After persisting and demanding, the publisher said that he would move all obstacles out of the way. We got the breakthrough that we can go directly to<\/em> the publisher, Carl Blackman, who\u2019s also the representative for the Associated Press International, which is helpful. We had had\u2013 Since our one enemy, the CIA enemy, in the government, had done some restrictions on us, we had had to go through the Ministry of Information, but the Minister of Information approved<\/em> this article and we hope we can depend upon their word, Shirley Field-Ridley, on the surface at least, that we would now be able to go directly to the publisher and editor, another exception that is not usually granted, we will be able to go directly to the minis\u2013 the publication and the publisher\/editor to submit our articles. Our article was printed in full, praising our cultural entertainment program. I demanded that we be able to write it, dictate it, and it was done so. So that is one breakthrough. I primarily did not tell you as I look at my mind now, was because even though it was the strongest promise we had gotten yesterday, I wanted to see it before I praised or told you the good news. Although the publisher Carl Blackman w\u2013 Blacken and the editor said that we would be\u2013 would definitely get around the\u2013 the obstacles, all obstacles in his way, and it would be there today.<\/p>\n

So all of our demands have been met, except the doctor. They are now meeting this afternoon about that, renegotiating. They promised they would renegotiate, otherwise we would not have stopped our White Night, and gone to production.<\/p>\n

Therefore (microphone clicks off and on), the news is encouraging. We will tell you all news, whether it\u2019s encouraging or not encouraging. Bad, good, or indifferent, you will know. In order for people to be free, they must be informed. In order for people to all grow to be revolutionaries, if they want to be, and emulate the goodness of their Father, their leader, they must know how he thinks, what he goes through, what the movement is facing, its stresses and its victories.<\/p>\n

Looking out from the radio room, we\u2019re not<\/em> doing what we were told about picking up things, we\u2019re not<\/em> using the fly swatters, a review out through the radio room, we must<\/em> see you using your fly swatters and out in the cottage areas and dormitories, more cleaning up, uh, getting the weeds all<\/em> down, cutting grass, you ought to be planting in that plowed up area betwe\u2013\u00a0right behind the cottages, that ought to\u2019ve been plowed and planted with something, right be\u2013\u00a0just west\u2013\u00a0no, rather, east of the ball diamond, which of course is to remain for the y\u2013 youth, but there\u2019s a plowed-up area that should be planted in something there. That should be planted in something, and maybe short term if later, it\u2019s wanted\u2013\u00a0wanted for something else, but that should show\u2013 be shown to the Soviets as something planted, planted, planted. (microphone clicks off and on) I urge you again, to step up your production. Observer reports will be held very vital this time in determining what takes place, so be please be sure\u2013 (more emphatic) please be sure that you are doing your utmost<\/em> at this time. At this time, be sure you\u2019re doing your utmost to be working in your<\/em> department and not sluggish.<\/p>\n

I note earlier that I looked over the project, that people were walking around slowly, milling about. This is treasonous, in view of our victories, in the battle potential again, \u2018cause success and the push-up that now has to come to get our people here, \u2018cause this is the best place to defend. We have sovereign law, in thirty miles round of beauty, to expand, abundant wildlife and fish life. Georgetown is still under one (unintelligible word) economic trials, apparently to curb any chances of revolution. The power failures are not as great now as the prime minister is going, and has already left to the Soviet Union and the great country of Communist North Korea. The Communist North Koreans, as you know, are very friendly to us, their embassy in terms of visit, communist Cuban embassy, very friendly and even offered us asylum if fascism were to take over. Communist government of Yugoslavia embassy also going to come to see us, and we want to think of more<\/em> that should be told when we call in, more<\/em> friendly nations, black nations, should take a look<\/em> at this great demonstration of multi-racial living, elimination of class elitism, racism, sexism, ageism.<\/p>\n

I do want more step-up in production, I want more fly swatters, every fly swatter is to be on your person and being used. We oughta get busy with that now. I want every person that has time, that\u2019s off their work, not their shift, to get \u2018em out and swat flies. I want a whole brigade to get at it. Children\u2013 young children should be trained how to do it, not too young, they can break the swatter. But we want the teachers, send them through and swat these flies mercilessly<\/em>. This is the way other communists have destroyed them in other countries, only by the fly swatter. So let us move fastly, step up our pace immediately, show our appreciation for what we have.<\/p>\n

You have ten thousand times more protection than any people on earth. Capitalists are killed and executed, prime ministers are kidnapped in their country, as in Italy [Aldo Moro], doing nothing to save them. Heads of cabinets and millionaires in Philippines, capitalists threatened the paranoid dictator capitalist [Ferdinand Marcos] of the Philippine islands, and they\u2019ve been executed, though they were millionaires. The millionaire prime minister dictator powerful of Pakistan [Zulfikar Ali Bhutto], somebody managed to get the army to get him, and he waits in a cold jail cell, to be hung on June first. This is the plight of capitalist. Capitalists are brought down constantly like Bert Lance, the chief adviser to [Jimmy Carter] the president of the United States, banker, rich, but somebody else wanted his position. A Republican was threatened because he was a Democrat, or some Democrat wanted his position.<\/p>\n

There is no safety in capitalism. There\u2019s no safety in doing your own thing, in individualism. But when you collectively organize and stand behind each other, and refuse to criticize each other, other than to our faces, and bring constructive points for change to me here in the radio office, then and then alone, you have safety. Thousand times more guarantees here that you will eat, because they know we mean business. You could starve alone in any place in the United States, or be shot down, killed\u2013 It\u2019s easy to get you killed, make it look like it\u2019s an accident, and you can get killed just by accident, because of the hate, the streets, the traffic, the driving. There\u2019s eleven people that could\u2019ve been here, chose to stay there, are now dead, not to mention those that\u2019ve been in accidents and hurt, not to mention those that\u2019ve been in accidents and came through<\/em> them because they intend to come here, like a man crushed in our truck that I told you about. Steve Jolly.<\/p>\n

Nonetheless, we have a thousand times more guarantees in medicine, we have thousand times plus Father which is incalculable, he\u2019s ten thousand times ten thousand a guarantee, and no one can tell him and take you on some arrest warrant, and many of you are wanted, have been ordered for arrest in the United States, but nobody can come in here, and they tried it, and we\u2019ve proved through many White Nights that they didn\u2019t get it done. We will all go down in sweet, joyous victory first. No way. You have ten thousand times minimum more protection than any capitalist, the richest banker on earth, the richest oil magnet [magnate] in the world, the sheiks, the shahs, the terrible, terrible Saudis of the reactionary world, they\u2019re all eventually killed. One was murdered by his own nephew just not but weeks ago, because there is no protection in capitalism. It\u2019s a dog-eat-dog, wolf-eat-wolf society. You<\/em> have communism, you have a communist principle in your Father. Let us be grateful by\u2013\u00a0and I want it shown now by work. Get the children organized, inspection people, to clean\u2013 it\u2013\u00a0People organize in Learning, all of the students to swat flies mercilessly all day long.<\/p>\n

The boat is slightly delayed, so tomorrow, schedule is not for certain, we may have to have socialist classes on Sunday and agricultural meeting uh, of some be\u2013 brevity tomorrow and rehearsal. Tonight is just socialist teachers classes. The boat will get in sometime<\/em> tomorrow night, so it may be a\u2013 a late started meeting, a meeting that starts late, so that we can deal with the problematical situation that might arrive by one young man [likely Chris O\u2019Neal], and so there will be a meeting of sorts to deal with that, to correct the situation and harmonize the individual who has been recalcitrant, difficult, obstinate, heady, and not face his blessings, and some of you need to take note (tape edit) [of] that so you don\u2019t re\u2013 make the same mistakes and go through the same pain. The boat is being slightly delayed today, we do not know exactly its time of arrival tomorrow. We will let you know.<\/p>\n

The victory is complete and total in the newspaper. We got the article praising the project, and particularly the cultural show, as I dictated and demanded. I did not tell you, and think as I reflect on its victory promise yesterday, because we\u2019d been promised four<\/em> times without success, but this promise was carried through, and new lines guaranteeing further<\/em> coverage were guaranteed that we could go to the editor and publisher directly by the Minister of Information.<\/p>\n

Thus is the news of the days. Any further developments, you will be kept posted. Get after the flies and clean up this place, miraculously now. I love you.<\/p>\n

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(Part 3)<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2013fective on the facts that there may or may not be sexual consummation in all the women\u2019s area is not tolerated. And certainly when the Jonestown security come around and say, lights out at eleven, that is what we mean. And guys (unintelligible phrase) reporting people come in at one, two o\u2019clock, makes no difference, and turn the lights and begin conversing. You have people there who are older. I give you a warning on that matter. We should not have men in a unit where women live. We will all have to undress and go to bed in small spaces. Now this is now being said for the last time. (Pause) The last weekend in [Cottage] 48, they obtained sheets, and with the help of friends, contrary to my rules on this, erected rods and put up curtains around and into the cottage. I have given no<\/em> clearance for such to be done. And it was in that area the bed of a young lady, that a rape occurred. We are not and will<\/em> not tolerate the use of our sheets without personal clearance from me. So this was in the Cottage of Shirley Ann Edwards and others, and we wish this stopped immediately. We wish you to make uh, written restitution, write up who<\/em> gave you the approval for these sheets. These sheets are worth fifty dollars, in terms of food or gold, life substance to our people, and a sheet separating sections of a building must get my personal approval \u2013 again, coordinators, I tell you \u2013 must<\/em> get my personal approval. (Pause) Now we are not going to say anymore about this. No men are to be in women\u2019s areas. You must go through approved relationships, and we mean that. No further warnings will be said to anyone. (Pause) No more will be said to anyone about it. You are not to be in a bed area, private living area, with anyone you are not in companionship with or approved to live with. That is the rule. If you have received an approved sexual relationship, then you must live together, or work out arrangements suitable to both, but we will not allow women in men\u2019s units, or men in women\u2019s units, nor male or<\/em> female in units after the eleven o\u2019clock hour, and then again, no<\/em> relationship, whatever the sexual preference, homo- or hetero-, will be allowed unless it goes through committee. We are not censorious. We are easy people to deal with. But we do demand cooperation with our rules, and you can tell in the tone in my voice that I do mean business. Stand by.<\/p>\n

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Inez Wagner has brought up a need for security of the crossbows. This is essential, to be worked out immediately by security. (unintelligible word) depository. I want security to arrange them locked up, and I do mean forthwith now. Not waiting another night. (Pause) (same unintelligible word) depository must be closed at the agreed-upon times with things that need to be secured. No one must ignore these rules. We have to be very careful. You do not realize the potential of the human psyche. Apparently we\u2019re not aware of where some people\u2019s evolution are. We wish these rules to be established, \u2018cause clear and present danger, certain equipment in certain areas, anything having to do with our security must be secured absolutely. So let\u2019s make arrangement for crossbows immediately. Also with depository, there is possibility of theft and vandalism and (unintelligible word) so forth. This is the second memo that has been brought to the attention of coordinators, the first that I have seen. So I am now responding publicly. The condition in the (same unintelligible word) depository is not to be neglected one moment. All are to agree with the rules set up for security, and secondly, a place now must be determined for security for the crossbows. They are lethal. They are lethal. Thank you very much. Stand by.<\/p>\n

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If there had been a request, be sure to take note, Johnny Jones \u2013 my son, John Jones Sr. \u2013 and coordinator Ingram, Lee. Minister Carmichael [Fitz Uriel Alexander Carmichael, Guyana Ministry of Forestry] was asking about the use of one of our tractors. We need to discuss that. But he asked for bananas. Let us be sure that those bananas get to him, he\u2019s the minister of the region. We want to keep matters harmonious as possible, as harmonious as possible. We can discuss what his plans are in reference to use of a tractor and how long a time. Stand by. (pause)<\/p>\n

\u2013(unintelligible beginning) personal excuse from myself. Those who have done so have a warning. Any meeting called by myself must be in attendance by all, or be personally excused by myself. The office. To do otherwise will be Learning Crew. (microphone clicks off and on) Stand by. (Pause) Don James\u2019 ideas of making money are appreciated very much. (pause) \u2013having coffee cake and cookies, et cetera to Matthews Ridge and Port Kaituma. Right now there\u2019s a money problem, due to the economy, the attempts of capitalists to try to boycott oil and parts, has even cut down on the money, liquid money, monetary fund the government has to pay their wages. Though we appreciate all (unintelligible word) ideas. And harvesting of vegetables from small gardens to sell in Matthews Ridge and Port Kaituma is an excellent idea. Stand by. (Pause) Those who come with divisive talk, there\u2019ve been reports of people making divisive talk.<\/p>\n

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\u2013someone feel bad, or to sow division or ask questions that could pose an attitude that they\u2019re being discriminated against, or in some way being neglected, is counter-revolutionary. And we wish to know why, and it will be stopped. This is the last warning on the subject of divisiveness. Stand by. (pause)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible name) made comments to (unintelligible name) laboratory that the doctor had ticked her off because she had flirted with the doctor. That is not so. Mickey Firestone with no one. We wonder (pause) why this is made, and we\u2019ve heard no such thing. Larry [Schacht] never made any such complaint to me. That Becky Flowers was removed because of flirting. It was her choice. There was not any such reason for this, and I do<\/em> want to know why this kind of foolishness is even suggested. Do not make fun at anyone else\u2019s expense. It is a socialist eccentricity of mine on the part of the angels. I do not like people made fun of about their love life, in terms of\u2013 in derogatory sense, where they\u2019ve had some failure or apparent failure or rejection. In any relationship, you\u2019re joking friendly about it when you\u2019re\u2013 obviously two people are together, if there are such things as good relations. But no jokes at people\u2019s personal expense about appearance or anything else. This will not be tolerated, unless the person encourages us to do that for the humor of the entire collective. You better be sure that you hear me right on this.<\/p>\n

Remember, all those that are to get your file of personal people\u2019s property, your own personal effects, in to the Central Supply immediately. This is to be done no later than noon tomorrow, or you will go to Learning. We have to have means of controlling theft. The worst crime in a collective, next to violence, to taking one\u2019s life, is sta\u2013 is taking things from someone else in a poli\u2013 people\u2019s communist system. That is unforgivable, criminal. It\u2019s one thing to steal, you may say in your mind, from the propertied bourgeoisie, the ruling circles, the big stores and corporations. It\u2019s absolutely opposite, evil, to steal from one another in a collective, for all are to share equally. This will stop now. You are criminals of the worst sort. It\u2019s not the badge of courage to steal from people in a family. It\u2019s already looked down upon by all of us when we lived in the ghetto. To steal from your own family was the worst kind of dummy criminal act you could do. When you steal from anyone in the people\u2019s collective, in the socialist community, you\u2019re stealing from your own family. It\u2019s bloody dirty, and we will not tolerate it, it\u2019s criminal, and you will be dealt with. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

I do think our people with laboratory abilities such as Becky and now that we have John, a pathologist, we (unintelligible word) look at every potential in this regard. We have off\u2013 ordered new microscopes, as heavy as we\u2019re having all the burdens financially upon us. But all people who have such talents should find in their spare time, room for research, dissecting and learning from humans, we have certainly rules against some dissecting, we\u2019ll find out what those are in case of death, but animals we can do, setting up funguses, diseases. We need all we can do in that area. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible word) about a dentist, time will be acknowledged the next time the dentist comes through, and he\u2019s due in a few weeks. Make it to the attention of Shanda James. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(unintelligible word) bit of good news, as reported one services, one of the services when our group was in attendance in the Queenstown Moravian Church, where Sir Lionel Luckhoo, world famous attorney, the most famous attorney in the world who\u2019s never lost a murder case, for instance, though he\u2019s tried 214. (Pause) The pastor, Reverend George Richmond\u2013 and the Moravian Church is a church of great repute in this area.<\/p>\n

Loretta Wilkinson and a group attended the third anniverdsary celebration for the Sophia Center and Institution to cater for the re-education and rehabilitation of our less fortunate youths in the Georgetown area. When we arrived \u2013 Rhonda Fortson, Marthea Hicks, Loretta Wilkinson, Patricia Houston, Linda Mitchell, Karen Carr, Ava Ingraham \u2013 the service had already begun, and some of the youth choir was singing, \u201cTry a Little Kindness\u201d and \u201cKumbaya.\u201d About one-fourth of the congregation were young people. Reverend Richmond announced that from time to time, the Peoples Temple Agricultural Mission visited with them, and we understood\u2013 and he understood that in our group today, that we had a performer who was a part of the entertainment Saturday night in the cultural center, which he was sorry he could not attend. Anyway, he told how we were a church that\u2013 group that led the scriptures, and were truly clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and visiting those in prison. When Loretta started playing the organ, the organist moved completely off stage and acted rather surprised and very impressed. Then when Marthea started singing, \u201cGoing Over Yonder,\u201d the dead-looking audience suddenly came alive. The young people began smiling, looking at each other, and clapping. Seniors smiled, shook their heads in approval, and sat up listening.<\/p>\n

The address speech was given by Sir Lionel Luckhoo, who each Sunday has a very esteemed article in The Guyana Chronicle<\/em> and is our own personal attorney. He said the theme of his message was production through education and creativity. He spoke of how youth should use their talents, what talents they have, to go out into the fields and produce, and the fact is, for the benefit of all people. He said people talk about production, but the young lady who sang today didn\u2019t come 5000 miles just to be here. She\u2019s using her talent God gave her. And as you can see, they\u2019re a group of all races living together doing their work like it should be. After the services, we made sure we told him his message was beautiful, and how much we enjoyed Sir Lionel Luckhoo. His message. I did not know till we arrived back at the house that this guy who spoke was our attorney and a very educated and prominent author, as well as having a regular half-page article every Sunday in The Guyana Chronicle<\/em>, the organ of the Peoples National Congress, the main newspaper that carried our article today, another one of our breakthrough demands being granted in the White Night. Diane [Wilkinson] uh\u2013 and Loretta Wilkinson reports rather I\u2019m glad everything went okay. We even took communion with them and sang their songs, and that\u2019s what one does. We become all things to all me\u2013\u00a0people, that by any means you might win them more to socialism. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Christine Young reports something of interest to us about the climate of racism in
\nUSA. She lived next door, Christine Young, Christine Cobb Young, lived next door to San Francisco State University, and Angela Davis, who has written several letters on our behalf, was teaching there. She\u2019d accepted over the number of students that was the maximum allowed for class. There were 45 students, and only three were black. The blacks acted like they were afraid of being associated with her in any way. Isn\u2019t that nice \u2013 our Aunt Janes and Uncle Toms \u2013 and many of them claimed they did not know she was teaching the class there, and even some of them pretended they did not know her. Christine could not understand what was going on. Angela Davis was red-eyed and looked as though she was on drugs, which frequently happens to people in USA who try to kid themselves that there can be victory for socialism in USA without a nuclear war, and going through the horrors of concentration camps<\/a> and fascism, which serves no purpose, unless there is a will to resist, which does not exist in USA at all. No solidarity.<\/p>\n

The necessary ingredients, as you know, for a working class triumph: strong communist party, strong socialist party, independently strong trade unions. Obviously there are no communist parties, obviously no socialist parties, and obviously the trade unions are not independent, as they are connected with management, and they have bosses placed (unintelligible word) circles, such as George Meany, who refused to give any funds from the AFL-CIO, millions of the (unintelligible word) to assist the starving miners, as they held out for 115 days in a vigil to get better help\u2013 better health conditions, safety standards \u2013 not even wages \u2013 \u2018cause they have to literally crawl on their bellies to do their work, they cannot even get on their knees in many areas of the mining work. (Pause) No one backed them except the communist garment union, as you remember, and they were forced to go back to work by the Taft-Hartley law, makes striking illegal, and the president threatened to bring in the army. And so children were hungry, and near starvation, without medical care, and the miners had to go back to work, though many went back reluctantly and grumbling. There was no working class solidarity, so people like Angela Davis, who once said to me, socialism had to win, she was almost like one when I approached her that we might lose, but it was right to be socialist in USA, we had to stand for socialism, whether we won or lost. Her reaction was one like I\u2019ve often seen in the faces of those when I told them there was no Jesus coming out of the sky in a second coming to save them. It shocked her. You could tell, it was totally a mythology with her. She couldn\u2019t accept the thoughts of defeat. This does not make for good revolutionary commitment or total dedication to socialism, through life or death.<\/p>\n

So it\u2019s possible, as Christine said, that her red-eyed appearance came from the usage of drugs. Perhaps she was not. She told Christine Young she was overworked, flying from city to city, giving lectures et cetera. Christine Young was going to be in her class, but left to come to Guyana. She talked to Christine Young like they were the best of friends, and she told Angela Davis, she was coming to Guyana. Christine was going to visit her again, but she left for Guyana before she could talk to her. They had to move her from room to room, \u2018cause the system did not want her to be available to anyone, even though that\u2013 not that many people\u2013 45 people, certainly, is a very small attendance. And finally, they put her on the top floor of the building, where she was not posted, where she could not be easily found. She had to have security, and she kept her (unintelligible word) out of the class, and she knows she has a good m\u2013 as you know, she has a good mind and is full of knowledge and a good teacher, but unfortunately, Christine Young knows, as we all do, Angela Davis is a dreamer in that she thinks the revolution will be successful in the United States, short of the nuclear holocaust, short of fascism. Angela actually is so much under the illusion that there will be a revolution in the United States of black and white working together without going through fascism and concentration camps or nuclear war. This is unrealistic, it\u2019s one who\u2019s not studied the facts. There are no scientists, not one, that thinks we will make it socialist \u2013 or non-socialist \u2013 that thinks we will make it through the nuclear age without a nuclear war in North America and Europe. So, that bit of news about Angela Davis from Christine Young, and we\u2019re grateful. Thank you. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

The radio QSLing [HAM radio] has been (pause) very little of late because of the crisis that we just underwent. However, when it is that we do have QSL contact, it is to be advised by security that Bea Orsot be called whatever the hour, and we begin radio QSL-ing. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Again take all seriousness the admonitions that I gave, admonitions that you must be able to get in your list of personal goods, particularly those who\u2019ve had any history of stealing, immediately. But all members of the Jonestown community must have your list of personal goods so we can file, and that way, we can stop thievery. Spontaneous, unannounced investigations must be done throughout the week to all homes, so that we can eliminate the great scourge of criminality in a socialist community. The opposite of a capitalist community. This scourge, to steal from one\u2019s own family. You\u2019d be cut, you\u2019d be killed, you\u2019d be done away with, you\u2019da be\u2013\u00a0you\u2019d be wasted in a jail if they were to know you stole from fellow prisoners. Even the prisons of US have some sense of loyalty to each other in the ghettoes, and the horrible oppressed conditions from which we who are black and brown and poor white came. So we will tolerate no thievery. Do keep that in your mind. Do keep it there very, very thoroughly, because we do mean business.<\/p>\n

All security must give your reports in, of how you feel about death and other questions that were asked. In fact, I would like such a response from every person in socialist class. Anyone that has fear of death should write it. You will not be brought up for any discussion. (Pause) We just simply wish to help you, because death, when it is done through revolutionary means, for a cause, a principle, no problem. No problem at all. And it can be help for you to see that death can be used as a great conqueror. When you eliminate that, all worries, the bulk of your worries, will be lifted from you, and you\u2019ll good health and be free from a lot of the aggravations physically that you now have. (Pause) So, keep that in mind, as I said. If you have any problem with fear of death\u2013<\/p>\n

Those of you that suggested Cuba, we\u2019d like for you to write up your reasoning, because often the minority has very good thinking. We like all options, we never want to close an option, and will not, but we want to thoroughly look at every option, so we decide which is the most acceptable option to take in the time of need.<\/p>\n

Things are looking up as all of our demands \u2013 save one \u2013 have been granted in terms of the White Night that we underwent, some 27 hours long, of discussions. I know it was unpleasant to sit, but imagine how unpleasant it was for me to have to talk, and even talk now, with such enormous pain as I always bear in my throat. We want every option. Write up any plan you have always. Even though things are looking up, as I said, they\u2019re now negotiating, the only thing that has not<\/em> been resolved is our doctor being given license (unintelligible word) demands. He is not going anywhere, that\u2019s already resolved<\/em>. Nor is our pharmacist [Don Fields]. But we want to bypass their laws, and the opposition apparently is not coming from government, from\u2013 but from the American-trained doctors and British-trained doctors who are s\u2013 capitalistic still in their taste, and there\u2019s never been an exception made for them, and they don\u2019t want any exception made for a young man, even though he is making not one penny (Pause) and does not have any interest in anything but socialism, and will always be doing socialist work. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Clara Johnson perhaps ought to consider a phone patch to her brothers so we\u2019ll have no difficulty in that area, can be gone over by the councils in the radio room thoroughly, time arranged for that, being that Wade Me\u2013 Medlock, class enemy, to be remembered, is constantly trying to sow difficulties and division, and uh, Comrade Clara Johnson can resolve that problem. So let\u2019s consider a phone patch tonight, as well as a phone patch that I suggested that Marceline make. That should be considered.<\/p>\n

Thank you. Stand by. (Pause)<\/p>\n

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