{"id":63044,"date":"2015-02-25T23:50:44","date_gmt":"2015-02-25T23:50:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63044"},"modified":"2023-07-11T16:58:36","modified_gmt":"2023-07-11T23:58:36","slug":"annotated-transcript-q952","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63044","title":{"rendered":"Annotated Transcript Q952"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Jones:<\/b>\u00a0\u2014 give the love that you feel, or should feel, to your neighbor. Thank you. Give that love to a neighbor.<\/p>\n

Sounds of passing the peace.<\/p>\n

(Tape turns off for indeterminate period of time)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Famine, predicted, it says in today\u2019s paper, the\u00a0Chronicle<\/em>, as a result of the prices of oil. One hundred million persons will\u00a0starve\u00a0to death yet this year, and 400 million will start suffering starvation before the end of this year, because of the worldwide shortage of high nitrogen fertilizers brought on by high oil prices. (Pause) Now, when the\u00a0world\u00a0press speaks to you through the capitalistic domination that we have in these individual monopoly newspapers, that 100 million persons will starve to death this year, and 400 million more will begin their starvation, situation is serious. (Pause) This is Tuesday, October 15, [1974] I\u2019m sorry,\u00a0San Francisco Chronicle<\/em>. This is interesting also,\u00a0The New York Times<\/em>, to show the progress, though we approach socialism in our\u00a0own\u00a0means by our\u00a0own\u00a0vehicle, we are\u00a0American, and looking for an American \u2014 not a Cuban, nor a Chinese, nor a Russian \u2014 solution to the American\u00a0phenomenon\u00a0of the\u00a0class oppression. However, we see interesting parallels of development and\u00a0progress\u00a0in our sister republic to America, Cuba. Cuba before the revolution, 15, 14 years ago, was a minuscule, a microcosm of\u00a0Mississippi. In every sense, Cuba was like the\u00a0worst\u00a0of Southern white racist society. There were indeed only a min\u2014 a few whites, just as in Mississippi, the majority are black. But those whites held on to the power and control under free enterprise Cuba under Batista [former Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista], under\u00a0capitalistic\u00a0Cuba under Batista, before Castro and the communist revolution. The oppression was so bad that the\u00a0Chronicle<\/em>\u00a0is even speaking about it. I\u2019m going to read to you what the\u00a0Chronicle<\/em>\u00a0\u2014 which is a capitalist-owned paper \u2014\u00a0(Pause) in this city, and I\u2019m\u00a0sorry\u00a0I have to be so elementary, but some people don\u2019t even know what\u2014 where the newspapers\u00a0are. They\u2019re still too busy looking at a ouija board or studying an astrological chart or meditating. Obviously, if any of you did see\u2014\u00a0someone called me and brought to my attention Mrs. [Kathryn] Kuhlman\u00a0on the TV last night, after the doctors had gotten through with her the s\u2014\u00a0the week before, showing that she hadn\u2019t healed\u00a0anyone, not a living soul did Mrs. Kuhlman\u00a0heal. She gave some test cases out to\u00a0doctors, thinking the doctor would be biased in her favor, the doctor went through\u00a0all\u00a0of her healing and didn\u2019t find anyone of them\u00a0healed, and most of them dead. (Pause) And so\u00a0McCall\u2019s\u00a0wrote an ar\u2014 a very very sad article about the results of Kathryn Kuhlman’s ministry. And she\u2019s subos\u2014 supposed to be the world\u2019s best\u2014 of course, we\u2019ve always known she was\u00a0nothing, but the\u00a0world\u00a0considered her the best in the field of healing. Last night she said,\u00a0publicly\u00a0on TV, she\u00a0couldn\u2019t\u00a0and never had healed anyone, and probably any healings that had been\u00a0done\u00a0were psychosomatic. That means that there wasn\u2019t anything wrong with them in the first place. It said the di\u2014 the most difficult things you know, Johnny [Carson]\u2014\u00a0she looked like a drunk. Did anybody see her?<\/p>\n

Murmurs. (Yes, Dad)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Now, would you not think\u2014 am I being out\u2014 outrageous to say she looked stoned?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0I don\u2019t think so.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Her\u00a0eyes\u00a0were wild, and she held onto Johnny and it was indeed a\u00a0joke\u00a0to him. He had to have her on for equal time, because the doctors had gotten through making\u00a0mincemeat\u00a0out of her, and she said, (simpering tone) “Oh, Johnny, I know, I know what\u2019s really in your heart. It\u2019s your desire to minister.” And he\u2014 he looked at her funny, give us all that funny-looking face. “You want to give everyone something to live by, and to be happy at the end of the day.” She says, “That\u2019s what I\u2019m doing, I\u2019m bringing everyone to (breathless tone)God.” She said, “If I don\u2019t heal anyone,” she told, if someone came to her for cancer, didn\u2019t get healed, three days she died later, after she prayed for him, three days later died (Pause) after supposed to be healed of cancer, she said, “But I brought him to (breathless tone) God and the (breathless tone) Holy Spirit.” He tried to get her to define the Holy Spirit, and the woman went off like she had diarrhea of the mouth, so\u00a0healing\u2019s\u00a0going to be in disrepute after a while. Folks won\u2019t even want to name the name “healing” with a maniac like her running loose, good socialists like us won\u2019t even want to be caught in the\u00a0category.<\/p>\n

Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I mean she\u2014 it\u2019s\u2014 it\u2019s crazy.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0All\u00a0she could talk about, in her\u00a0fine\u00a0jewels, and she looked\u2014 actually, I\u2014 if you\u00a0didn\u2019t\u00a0know it was her, you\u2019d have thought it was someone doing a\u00a0parody\u00a0of her, and was doing a takeoff\u00a0on\u00a0her, because the old gal looked\u00a0so\u00a0bad in that\u00a0expensive\u00a0gown and that\u00a0jeweled\u00a0cross \u2014\u00a0the gown must have cost four or five thousand dollars \u2014 but when she smiled, she looked like the jowls of a bulldog.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Now, didn\u2019t she? And they said, this young woman, Miss Kuhlman , anybody look at her would know that there was a ridiculous\u00a0lie\u00a0to think of the woman being\u00a0young, when she\u2014 she was just really looked like the\u2014 the wreck of the Hesperus. Yet\u2014 (Pause) Anybody look\u00a0that\u00a0bad ought not to even\u00a0call\u00a0themselves a healer, they ought to heal\u00a0themselves.<\/p>\n

Applause and laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0She looked terrible. (Pause) Fuzzy old wig that she put on, because the woman\u2019s been balding for some years, so they put some fuzzy old wig on her, and she re\u2014\u00a0she really looked outrageous. You couldn\u2019t uh\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t know whether she uh\u2014 what her mixture\u00a0was, but she looked something between the\u2014 the orange tail of the, what are those kind of horses over in, um, Brazil, and then the face of a ba\u2014 baboon. An orange baboon.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0But anyway the old woman went on\u00a0and on and on\u00a0till the\u2014 this is disreputable, it\u2019s just (Pause) disgusting, and the number of people in there shoutin\u2019 for God, I\u00a0know, but the\u2014 they\u2019re idiots, they\u2019re sick. (Pause) She had her own stage, you know, she brought her own audience, and that\u2019s\u2014 that stood out like a sore thumb. They clapped before she even finished her sentence.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And she was talking about\u00a0no\u00a0healing that she\u2019d done. (Pause) She admitted\u2014 and she said (simpering tone) she loved everybody, just love\u2014 she had nothing but love in her. She said I even li\u2014 love this doctor who\u2019s written about me. (Serious) But you tell by the twinkle in her eye then that there wasn\u2019t much love when that came out. (Pause) Anyway, I didn\u2019t um, want to stop on her as a subject. (Pause) We were discussing the accomplishments of\u00a0Cuba. Now Cuba was much like America, only doubly worse, in that the white minority held tight reins, and blacks were in virtual slavery in the Cuban island. Now here\u2019s what the\u00a0Chronicle\u00a0says that has happened\u00a0in\u00a0Cuba in its 14 years period. “The revolution that triumphed in Cuba under Fidel Castro is still going on in rather remarkable and peculiar ways. Aside from the more obvious changes brought by the introduction of free education and completely free medical care, subtler but equal potent changes are underway.\u00a0Racism, once a dominant feature of Cuban society, especially\u00a0in all\u00a0of the cities, has receded to the point where it is hardly even\u00a0noticeable, according to Nikolo Gillian, poet of mixed ancestry from eastern Cuba. Gillian, a si\u2014 silver haired and sprightly man of 72, began writing verse in the 1920s and soon turned to themes of race and racial\u2014 racial oppression. \u2018My revolutionary feeling was awakened by the struggle against racism in Cuba,\u2019he recalled in a conversation. Pointing to the buff skin on his face, he said, \u2018I was considered black,\u2019 even though he was just light tan, like Indian. There was clearly defined color line in Cuba, a product of 400 years of colonialism that included 60 years under the United States\u2019 direct influence, particularly the\u00a0Southern\u00a0United States, which made Cuma\u2014 Cuba a miniature of a Southern state. No blacks were allowed in the American hotels here, and the Havana Club, the yacht club wouldn\u2019t even admit President Batista, who was considered a mulatto” and yet he would be\u2014 I don\u2019t know, Batista is light\u2014 light-skinned\u2014\u00a0This young lady, stand up. Yeah. Batista was lighter than she. And he could not even go on the beaches or in the uh yacht club. He was the\u00a0president. He was a\u00a0dictator, under capitalism, but the president\u2014 the prejudice was so ingrained that even he couldn\u2019t override it. Now racism is severely punished with fines and\u00a0jail\u00a0sentences. It hasn\u2019t disappeared altogether, but it is almost gone.<\/p>\n

We have so many mixed marriages now. At the Hotel Habana\u2014 and naturally, it won\u2019t disappear, after being trained 400 years, and domination of the white class of the 60 years of American rule, but to be\u00a0almost\u00a0gone is nothing short of a miracle. At the Ha\u2014 Hotel Habana Libre \u2014\u00a0that\u2019s free \u2014 Ho\u2014 Hotel Hanna\u2014 Habana, it used to be the Hil\u2014 the Hilton, I was in that hotel just after the revolution. It\u2019d been turned over to the poor people, and they were cleaning it up so nice, giving it\u2014 giving quarters to the poor and the black. At the Hotana \u2014 Hotel Habana Libre, mixed marriages are everywhere in evidence among the young Cubans. Couples honeymooning on the upper floors, nor does there seem to be any district of the country or capital or\u00a0any\u00a0enterprise or business or school where darker or lighter Cubans predominate. They\u2019re all mixed, without reference to color. Full employment is imm\u2014 a fac\u2014\u00a0established fact in Cuba, when in 1959, there were about one million jobless. Although some of the rich who stayed have retained their splendid houses, they are subject to the same rationing of food and clothing as their fellow citizens. They have felt rather that to\u00a0hurt\u00a0the rich who had these homes, they would let them die, and then their homes would go on to the poor. Now that shows they\u2019re not ruthless. (Pause) They let the rich Cubans keep their house, but they had to get the same food and the same clothing rationing that anyone else did. Wages of working people have been leveled in a fashion more radical than in other socialist countries, with the exception of China. At Cuba\u2019s second newspaper, Youth Rebellion (struggles for words) Rebel Youth, that\u2019d be, Rebel Youth, George Lopez, the 30-year-old editor-in-chief says that his wage of 165 pesos \u2014 189 dollars a month \u2014 is less than the earnings of some of his\u00a0reporters. However, of the 189 dollars a month, his\u00a0rent\u00a0is only six dollars. For an apartment, two bedroom. It is a question of\u00a0seniority, he said, but we may have to do something one of these days about shifting the scales of remuneration. Right now, we don\u2019t worry much about it, because we have money that we don\u2019t need, because everything\u2019s\u00a0free.<\/p>\n

The dynamics of Cuban wage policy at this stage are such that a professor of medicine might receive the equivalent of $615 a month, while a physician with a private practice might earn $724 a month. But God, that\u2019s\u00a0money\u00a0in a place where there\u2019s no telephone charge, no medical charge, no education charge, you can be a university professor or a doctor or lawyer without charge, you don\u2019t spend any money for tuition or books, free dentistry, free apartments, even free uh, theater, free opera, free ballet, free dance, all the arts are free, and even\u00a0ice cream\u00a0is free. (Pause) All milk is free, by the way. The Cubans imbued with the revolutionary spirit \u2014 Lopez is one and Gillian is another \u2014 tend to play down the significance of numbers. Lopez said that whatever he and his editorial staff of 85 did on the outside in the way of writing or public speaking, they did for\u00a0free, to help the cause of the revolution. The Cuban revolution retains some distinctive features that are closer to Chinese socialism than to the Soviet variety. That\u2019s good. There appears to be a large amount of Chinese-style joint consumption of earnings, the term of free factory canteen meals for example. In addition, there are no incentives for saving money in Cuba, as Arnual de Vega, the director of sales and systems in the Ministry of Internal Commerce explained. There is no interest on savings, he said. You get out what you put in. And, there\u2019s nothing that you need to buy. (Pause) Now that\u2019s from the\u00a0New York Times<\/em>. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(Sounds like tape paused, for indeterminate time)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0From directly from the Promised Land. Anyone have any questions now. I set the tone. As I said, the\u00a0healings\u00a0and the dis\u2014\u00a0disreputable\u00a0religious sector is getting so bad that we ought to have a\u00a0loyalty\u00a0that keeps us in this room,\u00a0partially, if nothing else, out of the interest for the survival of our children, for they have\u00a0no\u00a0place to go now. It\u2019s either to go to some place like Cuba or our Promised Land, which we are going to get out of this conflict between the capitalists and the socialist world, into a free socialist territory in the Third World. (Pause)\u00a0We have no other alternative,\u00a0for as of this week, Canada is passing a racial exclusion law that will not allow\u00a0any\u00a0Asiatics, Indians or blacks to immigrate\u00a0in\u00a0to Canada. From the floor of the Congress, the Parliament, and there is\u00a0no doubt\u00a0that it will pass. Now you people, wake up, by God. (Pause) Now I mean it. (Pause) Thank you. (Pause) The Indians in Ottawa are under such oppression in Canada tonight that they are talking\u2014 the paper (stumbles over words) you read it, I gave it to you, part of it Sunday. I read it from the pulpit. They are contemplating putting \u00a0\u2014seriously\u00a0\u2014\u00a0all\u00a0Indians,\u00a0all\u00a0people of color, black, in\u2014 in membership in the NAACP, into detention centers, in Canada. It\u2019s already in England. England has gone to pieces. Read today\u2019s\u00a0Chronicle. England is without morale, it said. It\u2019s\u2014 out\u2014 without\u00a0morale, it\u2019s without moral\u00a0fervor, it\u2019s without principle. The country\u2019s about to divide. Scotland\u2019s about to secede from Great Britain, it been with them for thousands of\u2014 hundreds of years. The Irish, of course, are killing the Irish. As I\u2019ve told you repeatedly,\u00a0we\u00a0must stick together for\u00a0survival. Again today in Argentina, again today in Brazil, whites killing whites, murdering \u2018em every day, university professors seeking shelter in Peru, or Cuba, or Venezuela.<\/p>\n

We, by the way, our Promised Land, as I told you, may be Venezuela. And it\u2019s interesting to\u00a0note, when these people run away from Argentina, that they are seeking, many of them, haven in Venezuela. And we are only 15 miles from Venezuela, and if 25,000 people do not\u00a0settle\u00a0the part of the Promised Land that we\u2019re in by four years, three years and eight months, we will be Venezuelan. And Venezuela is a much larger country and is socialist in orientation and has one of the richest oil deposits in the world, and\u00a0only\u00a0the people with oil, according to all the economists, are those who are going to avoid starvation. And by the way, that\u2019ll be quite a change, because we have no oil. (Pause) America\u00a0has\u00a0no oil. It\u2019s all\u00a0gone, for all practical purposes. We have\u00a0exhausted\u00a0our resources. The Alaskan oil, ah, is\u2014 is a very short supply. It\u2019s not\u2014 It\u2014 It wouldn\u2019t\u2014 If it were used\u00a0moderately, it will not last through the nineties, 1990. If we use it, it will not be used through 1990. It\u2019ll be exhausted. (Pause) Only the people\u2014 There are many people who are theorizing that oil will replace money, \u2018cause it\u2019s the only thing that has any\u00a0value. Out of it comes everything, as you (struggles for words) heard what I just read to you, the other article that I put together, to try to stir up your pure minds, that 400 million are\u00a0going\u00a0to starve, 100 million will starve\u00a0before\u00a0the end of\u00a0this\u00a0year, because of\u00a0worldwide\u00a0shortage of high-nitrogen fertilizer which is necessary to raise foods, brought on by shortage of oil. You don\u2019t have\u00a0oil, you can\u2019t get\u00a0everything\u00a0that you need for life. And Venezuela has got the\u00a0oil, the Arabs have got the\u00a0oil, and the Chinese are now going to get some oil. It says they\u2019ve got rich deposits that they\u2019re going to open, that have never been touched. So the\u00a0Chinese, the\u00a0Arabs, and the Soviet Russians \u2014 socialist Russia \u2014 and Venezuela has the richest deposit. And for any\u00a0one\u00a0country, Venezuela, right where we\u2019re sitting, has the\u00a0richest\u00a0oil of any one area,\u00a0concentrate\u00a0in any place in the world. (Pause) Now\u2014 (Pause) People don\u2019t seem to think we have a reason to\u00a0be\u00a0here unless we can pull rabbits out of a hat, or get some kind of a hilarious feeling from emphasis on spiritual healing, and I\u2019m\u00a0telling\u00a0you, with the mess that\u2019s going on, we as\u00a0respectful\u00a0people may very well want to get out of the\u00a0entire\u00a0healing business.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Peace. (Pause) There was some dubiousness, because I think that there are\u00a0many\u00a0of you that do not stay\u2014 In fact, I have to repeatedly\u00a0wake you up\u00a0(Pause) when I\u2019m talking on the\u00a0truth, and you\u2019re\u00a0very\u00a0much awake when we\u2019re healing somebody.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You don\u2019t have to be called out to be healed. My spirit, the spirit of socialism in me, will (voice overwhelms microphone).<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0It\u2019s only a matter of time. (Pause) The government of this country wants to break down\u00a0every\u00a0kind of group outside of Big Brother, and if they will go after Miss Kuhlman and\u00a0her\u00a0following \u2014 and she\u2019s as anti-socialist as a rattlesnake \u2014 but she lives luxuriously, wealthily, and does\u00a0nothing\u00a0for her people. She get\u2014 doesn\u2019t have\u00a0one\u00a0program to assist needy people, and rakes in the millions. And they\u2019re afraid of\u00a0her\u00a0even, because she represents a group of people that would look to her instead of whoever they want to foster on us when the cris\u2014 the crisis comes, the final crash comes, if not Rockefeller, someone like him, they want to break down\u00a0all groups,\u00a0and so they are attacking her and\u00a0exposing\u00a0her for what we knew she was all along, unable to do\u00a0anything\u00a0but rob people of their money. And they studied\u00a0all\u00a0of her healings\u2014 the doctor didn\u2019t do it to be a conspirator, he just did it out of an honest study, he studied\u00a0all\u00a0of her healings, as I said, and found not\u00a0one\u00a0healed and many dead that had been said to be healed in her literature and over her TV program. They\u2019re all\u00a0dead.\u00a0McCall\u2019s\u00a0Magazine carries it, and now the TV\u2019s are after her, and they\u2019re after\u00a0all\u00a0these groups across the nation, most\u00a0fiercely\u00a0they\u2019re after the Children of God movement. The Children of God moment is a movement that\u2019s taken a\u00a0little\u00a0bit of a socialistic lens \u2014 that were really not, socialism for the peons, but fascism for the upper class, the upper class leaders have sex with whoever they please and do whatever they please and live in the Swiss Alps, getting $10 million a year, but they\u00a0do\u00a0have communes across the nation, then they have to c\u2014 raise so much money, each of those communes, each of the individuals have to raise, I told you, three hundred dollars a week, to send to their leader. So it\u2019s not socialistic, but\u2014 and\u2014 and it\u00a0still\u00a0represents a\u00a0group\u00a0of people looking to somebody else other than good Ol\u2019 Glory. And so they\u2019re\u00a0after\u00a0them, and they\u2019re going to be after\u00a0every\u00a0group\u2014 it\u2019s a miracle of miracles that they haven\u2019t come after us, because we would be the\u00a0ideal\u00a0group to come after. (Pause) Because we\u00a0preach\u00a0healing\u2014 we don\u2019t have the buffer that she did, she get out of her corner last night by saying, (breathlessly) “God. God.” And no one in this country wants to attack God, because that\u2019s the way you control the country. You\u00a0control\u00a0the country by letting the people, the masses, believe in God. So every time she\u2019d look like a perfect ass \u2014\u00a0and she looked like that all the time, really \u2014\u00a0but every time she looked like a perfect ass, Miss Kuhlman would say, “Well, it\u2019s God. I\u2019m leading the people to God.” Well, no one on the TV will attack God. But you see, we\u2019ve got a problem. We\u2019ve already eliminated that God, and said God is here.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Peace. (Pause) You\u2019re clapping, and I\u2019m not sure you understood me. (Pause) We are a perfect set-up\u2014 \u2018course, they wouldn\u2019t want to get in an intellectual discussion with me, because I\u2014 I\u2019m sure that some of them avoid that for that reason, they watch me on\u00a0The Dunbar Show, and they didn\u2019t see anything, compared to what I\u00a0will\u00a0do when the final count comes (Pause) \u2018cause I can hold up, if I\u2019m not wasting my voice away totally on unnecessary meetings and all-night meetings, all day yesterday involved coming in this Temple, taking care of affairs, all night last night in affairs, it\u2019s been not a bit of silence for the voice in two or three days, not a bit of silence\u00a0for\u00a0it in two or three days. When I don\u2019t come down here, it means that I\u2019m having meetings up there, very serious meetings with people, of high-level planning and programming for\u00a0you, for your welfare, for your protection. (Pause) But in\u00a0this\u00a0case, if they come after us, we\u2019ve got an entirely new ballgame. I can\u2019t come out of a corner and say, “It\u2019s the Holy Spirit that heals.” I cannot come out of the corner and say, “It\u2019s God that heals,” or as she said, well, why don\u2019t people get healed? They\u2019re all carried away on wheelchairs and\u2014 and they\u2014 so many carried back (unintelligible word) stretchers, poor, mutilated people, she said, “Well, ah\u2014 (breathless) there is one thing I believe, in the sovereignty of God and his holy word.” So she had the argument. (Pause) The class system won\u2019t take on the Bible, because they\u2019re going to\u00a0use\u00a0the Bible to reinaugurate slavery, because in the Bible is a perfect case for slavery (Pause) \u2018cause it tells the slaves to obey their master (Colossians 3:22, “Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.” See also, Ephesians 6:5, Titus 2:9)<\/span>, so they\u2019re not going to\u00a0attack that Bible. That\u2019s the\u00a0last\u00a0thing the class system will do. The rich media will\u00a0not\u00a0attack that Bible, nor will\u00a0they attack God,\u00a0as long as they play it safe, like Kathryn Kuhlman , who doesn\u2019t even believe in God, nor doesn\u2019t believe in the Bible, because I knew Kathryn Kuhlman when she was an honest whore.<\/p>\n

Applause. (Right.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0I don\u2019t mind honest whores, I just don\u2019t like\u00a0dishonest whores. Now she\u2019s a dishonest whore, and a dishonest prostitute of religion. Her whoredom \u2014 I don\u2019t mind if she concealed her own whoredom in reference to physical attachments, but her whoredom of\u00a0truth\u00a0is, is most disgusting, and one day, the revolution will cause her\u2014 the judgment day of God will cause her to come to an accounting. (Pause) Peace. (Pause) Because these people know what they\u2019re doing. They\u2019re\u00a0robbing\u00a0the people, playing it safe, they got an easy game. They thought they had it made, but the system\u2019s so threatened by\u00a0any\u00a0group this\u2014 this day, they want to disillusion people with\u00a0everyone, so that people will look to Big Brother only, (Pause) or the Mark of the Beast, as you religious folks will want to say (numerous references in Revelation, including 13:17, 14:9-11, 15:2, 16:2, 19:20, and 20:4)<\/span>, when the President comes out and speaks for God, they want people to listen to him. (Pause) In God, if God be with us, as Mr. [Gerald] Ford is running out of the mouth with all the time, God this and God that, and [Vice President Nelson] Rockefeller\u2019s talking about God\u2014 God willing, today he said, I\u2019ll be vindicated, I\u2019ll be able to tell my story, God willing. They want no one to listen to what\u00a0God\u00a0has to say, except what the president says God is saying. So even Mrs. Kuhlman didn\u2019t count on the fact that\u00a0she\u00a0was going to be a threat too. (Pause) But not much of a threat. They\u2019ll overlook her. They\u2019ll probably finally gr\u2014 have to agree to\u00a0work\u00a0with people like her, before the fall of the system comes. They\u2019ll probably have to\u00a0use\u00a0her. And they will. She\u2019d be very willing to be used, because you could see how she hung all over Johnny Carson till it was disgusting. He didn\u2019t even\u00a0know\u00a0the woman, and she talked so intimately and held onto his hand like she\u2019d been his long lost (Pause) whatever. It was disgusting. It was feeble-minded, and a\u00a0terrible\u00a0revelation of where the American psyche is, although Americans in general are beginning to change. And England has changed rapidly, so rapidly that it would be ready for a revolutionary change if it had the proper implementation, the media. I saw in the\u00a0Chronicle<\/em>\u00a0this week where only 23% of the British population still believe in God. It means 77% do\u00a0not\u00a0believe in God. They\u2019ve suffered enough shortages (unintelligible word \u2014 sounds like “there”)\u2014<\/p>\n

A lot of you won\u2019t believe in God, either, when you don\u2019t have any food, when you don\u2019t have any toilet paper, you don\u2019t have any meat, you don\u2019t have any bread, that\u2019s what\u00a0happening\u00a0to England, they\u2019re suffering such hi\u2014 housing (struggles for words) crowding in such uh, terrible economic conditions that 77% of them don\u2019t believe in God. And they went through the bombing of London, the Blitzkrieg and the rockets, and that helps\u2014 you people, many of you never been through\u00a0war, you never seen children starve in the streets. I\u2018ve\u00a0seen\u00a0such a phenomena. When you see babies starving on the streets and you see hungry people begging for food, and if you gave them the food that you have, you\u2019d too starve, and decisions have to be made for 10,000 people to die in a day, and I\u2019ve seen just that happen in South America, deep in Brazil, 10,000 die in one day, (Pause) way way way from our Promised Land, thousands of miles from our Promised Land. But I\u00a0saw\u00a010,000 people die in a day.\u00a0If you see that\u00a0\u2014 I don\u2019t mean with my own eyes, \u2018cause no one\u2019s ever died in my presence that hasn\u2019t been resurrected \u2014 but, still the fact that 10,000 people\u00a0did\u00a0die in one day, I saw their dead bodies, their mutilated bodies, and they didn\u2019t even have place to bury them, they just threw them over the cliffs, little babies, mothers left with their (Pause) nothing to do but to throw their babies, and I told you the little boy that I saved. I went into the place, the Catholic priest wanted me to go up with him on ah, this particular journey. I was wanting to take food, and I had food with me, he wanted to take sacraments. He took his black robe around him, till we chased him away, went into an old hovel, an old hovel of dirt, chicken-coop like, looked like a chicken coop. Little boy was sitting over a plank, standing by the side of a plank, looking down at his mother. Plank m\u2014 laid over two old, what do you call those old horses, what do you call them, the uh\u2014<\/p>\n

From crowd:\u00a0<\/b>Sawhorse\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Sawhorse. Setting over the sawhorse, she was laying, her arms wouldn\u2019t even stay, rickety, absolutely mummified. She was only 27 years of age, but she looked like she was 85. And her flesh wouldn\u2019t even stay on that plank, and he\u2019d have to keep lifting it up, and finally they tied her hands, the Catholic priest tied her hands, wanting to say the Mass. There was one scrawny chicken left. His father had died with\u00a0blancha de diablo\u00a0which is\u2014 which is tuberculosis that killed thousands because no treatment.\u00a0Thousands\u00a0are dying across the world now, with no treatment. He was left with\u00a0all\u00a0children, he was nine. And he was left with four or five little children, nobody to take care of him, and he was standing in tears, looking over his mother who\u2019d been dead for a day, waiting\u2014 or day or two days, waiting for the priest to come to say the Mass. And the priest\u2014 I said this child doesn\u2019t need any Mass, he needs some help and love. He said, you\u2019ll have\u00a0rice\u00a0Christians, that\u2019s their common phrase, we heard that from every missionary. You can\u2019t do that, he said, go\u2014gotta give them faith in God because there\u2019s no food. I said,\u00a0I\u2019ll\u00a0give him some food. And we had a little fight, and he ended up running away. Anyway\u2014 wait, uh, don\u2019t\u2014\u00a0let\u2019s don\u2019t clap, that was a\u2014 that\u2019s a very small victory.\u00a0Very\u00a0small victory. Thousands and thousands like that across that one little hill, dying or dead.\u00a0Millions\u00a0across the world are dying or dead. I\u2019m reading to you from the paper, they don\u2019t want you really to\u00a0know\u00a0it, but they know that you won\u2019t\u2014 the average American won\u2019t\u00a0read\u00a0this, because average r\u2014 person\u2019s in church tonight,\u00a0praying, on their knees, talking to a fairy godmother,\u00a0a holy spirit,\u00a0a goblin, a ghost, a\u00a0spook. Most people will not\u00a0read\u00a0what\u2019s even in the paper so they can even give you a little bit of the truth. One hundred million persons will starve to death\u00a0this\u00a0year. And you believe in a God? You must be an idiot. You believe in any god other than what you can see in the spirit of socialism, that I happen to be at this moment in time and space incarnated, you\u00a0must\u00a0be an idiot. Anyone that can believe that there\u2019s a loving God and allow 100 million people \u2014\u00a0that is\u00a0half\u00a0the population of the United States \u2014 is going to die before Christmas, (Pause) half\u2014\u00a0and I don\u2019t mean in the United States, but they\u2019re plenty of \u2018em dying right here, too, of starvation every day. But 100 million people are going to die across this world, then\u00a0you\u00a0have believed in a loving God\u2014\u00a0How\u00a0you can believe in a loving God is a\u00a0reflection\u00a0on your own intelligence. (Pause) All right, because let me tell you, nobody helped me. That\u2019s what bothers me with some people.\u00a0Nobody\u00a0helped me. I came out of all kind of miracles happening to me. When I touch myself, I\u00a0heal\u00a0myself. When I\u00a0touch myself, I got up when no one\u00a0would\u00a0help me. When I wanted to get something done, I\u00a0got it done. When I wanted to create a church in a year in Indianapolis, the folk could tell you, in one year, it looked im\u2014 virtually impossibility, I had a\u00a0great\u00a0synagogue and a food commissary program and I got it paid for one day, just one day before the day I prophesied it\u2019d be done. Everything I\u2019ve ever set my mind to do, I\u2019ve been able to get done, but I have\u00a0never\u00a0believed in any loving God. Not because\u2014<\/p>\n

Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Peace.<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Voice rises through next several minutes) Not because of what was happening to me, because if I\u2019d looked at my\u00a0own\u00a0life, I could have had a superiority complex and said, Oh my, there\u2019s something working with you. But I could always look out and look at the precious number of black and Indian people that something wasn\u2019t working for them. They weren\u2019t able to get things done like Jim Jones. They weren\u2019t able to heal themselves like Jim Jones. They weren\u2019t able to heal others like Jim Jones. They were starving, hungry, despaired \u2014 there\u2019s nothing more despairing than to be nine years of age with five little children, and he looked as scrawny as anything you\u2019ve ever seen, you see it every night on your TV, these babies, till you can\u2019t hardly stand it on how you can stand to look at it. (Pause) I don\u2019t even get enough description of it to be able to describe it to you, \u2018cause I can\u2019t stand to look at it, it\u2019s too painful to me. Seeing these babies flashed on by CARE and all these outfits, and most of the money is going into administration, going into big\u2014 people with big plush offices,\u00a0all\u00a0these children\u2019s groups now, it came out by the government, had been, the money\u2019s been siphoned off by the bigwi\u2014 rich leaders that\u2019re living in fancy homes and fancy, uh, environments and fancy automobiles and fancy jewels, and they show these babies, show their faces, it\u2019s\u2014 they looked like they\u2019re dried mummies, the best I can see, and I don\u2019t want to look at them anymore, there\u2019s nothing to describe\u2014 they look like a\u00a0preemie, three months old, they look like a three-month-old baby inside the mother\u2019s womb. (Pause) The skin stretched, the eyes sunken. That\u2019s a hundred million of them dying. So I don\u2019t care that I\u2019m sce\u2014 fed tonight, I don\u2019t care that I am without want tonight, I don\u2019t care that everything\u2019s gone my way \u2014 and it hasn\u2019t, since I got to knowing you, because all your pains fell on me, and I quit having it so easy \u2014 if I ever\u00a0did\u00a0have it easy, I gave it up, years ago, to take on the infirmities of others. But\u00a0anyway, I cannot forget what others are going through, and if 100 million people are going to starve by Christmas, there is no loving deity. And I\u2019m not Miss Kuhlman , and I don\u2019t believe her malarkey, that I never questioned the sovereignty of Almighty God, she said. I never question the sovereignty of the Bible.\u00a0I\u00a0question it, because it\u2019s what brought us here in slave chains. The Bible is the thing that brought us, that\u2019s what they used to sneak us out of the rich lands of Africa and put us in the chains that we\u2019re still enduring in America 400 years later. So\u00a0I\u00a0question the Bible, and I question their God that says, slaves, obey your master, I question everything,\u00a0anything\u00a0there is to question, I question it (Colossians 3:22, Ephesians 6:5, Titus 2:9).<\/span><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Intimate tone) But some of you work so hard, precious few of you that I love with such compassion, I don\u2019t even get to you, because of the\u00a0assholes\u00a0that working me to death. They\u2014 They are awful, awful\u2014 One little exception. Yesterday, I got to come over and get Ro\u2014 Sister Rose Shelton to get her flu shot, \u2018cause I know she\u2019s always taking care of someone else, so I got her and tricked her into thinking I was getting a flu shot, got her over to Dr. Goodlett\u2019s, and got her to get my shot. So she got my shot, but Sister uh\u2014 Sister Shelton, with the exception of that yesterday, I spent my entire time, and all night on the telephone to Brother Stoen and Brother uh\u2014\u00a0oh different ones, I won\u2019t name all the ones I talked to, but\u00a0all\u00a0night and\u00a0all\u00a0day and\u00a0all\u00a0night, being with enemies\u2014\u00a0we are very glad to report that some of our enemies have decided to change their mind. For whatever reason, they want to be back\u00a0with\u00a0us, for whatever reason, and we\u2019re not sure we\u2019re\u00a0taking\u00a0\u2018em, but they want to be back. Anyway, our enemies are in much disarray tonight, because what they\u00a0thought\u00a0they had, they don\u2019t have, and they don\u2019t know which one of them eh, are working for us, and if they\u00a0did\u00a0know, they would be surprised, and they don\u2019t know\u00a0how\u00a0our people are working, and if they did know, they would be surprised. And we\u2019ll sure not going to go (stumbles over words) into any more than that, but (voice rises) so many in this room \u2014 I just saw somebody a minute ago, making a move, just come tripping around \u2014 you don\u2019t know what you\u2019re doing. You\u2019re just on a glory ride, you\u2019re just taking advantage of a church that\u2019ll serve you, you don\u2019t care a\u00a0damn\u00a0about hungry people, you don\u2019t give one\u00a0damn\u00a0about the fact that it\u2019s happening all around us, that Canada is going to exclude all blacks and Indians and Asians and start that mess too, that England\u2019s already talking about putting their blacks out in the sea and letting them drown. They\u2019re already talking about doing away with their blacks. It\u2019s going to come to that in Canada too. And then it\u2019s gonna come here. So why doesn\u2019t it happen here? Well, because we (unintelligible word \u2014 sounds like “rob\u2019) everybody under the country, everybody under the sun we (unintelligible word \u2014 sounds like “rob\u2019), so we\u2019ve got some reserves, but when we run out\u2014\u00a0look at the\u00a0Chronicle\u00a0today, it shows a great big panther hanging over the Me\u2014 America, over one of our cities and says,\u00a0Racism. (Pause) \u2018Cause they can\u2019t even control Boston. Boston\u2019s out of hand. They want\u2014 They\u2019ve got the\u00a0state\u00a0militia, and the, the\u00a0state\u00a0National Guard, now they want the\u00a0federal\u00a0National Guard. They w\u2014 They want them to be brought up from Carolina, because they can\u2019t control the city of Boston. Black people not safe in the city of Boston today. Boston\u2019s where the brothers that came over here for a\u00a0free\u00a0country settled. As Brother Hallinan, Vince Hallinan said, Brother Vince Hallinan said, Of\u00a0all\u00a0the people, that the, the\u00a0niggers\u00a0of America, the Irish \u2014 that\u2019s who mostly made up Boston \u2014 he said that the\u00a0niggers\u00a0of America, the Irish would turn on the blacks. Said the\u00a0niggers\u00a0of America, the Chinese \u2014 and don\u2019t confuse the Chinese here with the communist Chinese, because no person in he\u2014 America friendly to Communist China, the mainland China, can\u00a0stay\u00a0here.\u00a0All\u00a0the people that you see that are Chinese here were the rich that got deposed in the revolution, and they\u2019re from\u00a0Nationalist\u00a0China or the island of Taiwan, made up of the rich, power-hungry bigots, the old ruling class. So the Chinese you see here in America today are those that hate socialism, and that\u2014 it\u2019d be awfully tempting for some of the black because, as Vince Hallinan says, why the\u00a0Chinese, even\u00a0those\u00a0Chinese have been treated like\u00a0dogs. They were rich over in China, but when they come\u2014 I mean the island of Taiwan, but when they\u2014 Formosa, but when they come here, they\u2019re treated like dogs, they can\u2019t get jobs, they work in old steam rooms or they work in old packed sewing centers and they have no uh, living wage, they don\u2019t have a decent place to stay, it\u2019s\u00a0hell\u00a0for them. (Pause) Let them people sleep on me, by God, wake \u2018em up. (Pause) And yet we, as Vincent Hallinan said, that San Francisco, the best city in America didn\u2019t have the good enough sense to elect to be judge \u2014 he lost four to one \u2014 you remember, he spoke in our church \u2014 and he lost the judgeship, grand man, he\u2019s given us free legal advice over and over again. He said, if I went to any church, it\u2019d be yours, though I\u2019m a Catholic, he said, I\u2019d give up on that stupid religion. (Pause) He said I\u2019ll help you outside any way I can, and he has. Anyway, Vincent Hallinan said it\u2019s\u2014 what a\u00a0shame! (Pause) It\u2019s in the paper today. (Shouts) Listen to me, goddamnit.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0This sermon is a (struggles for words) a\u00a0seminar. (Pause) And if you get this sermon, we wouldn\u2019t have so much trouble to do (Pause) or to go through. But when I say Goddamnit it, I guess I can damn it, because I\u2019m God.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0And I shall\u00a0remain\u00a0that as long as you people hold onto superstitions. (Pause) Anyway (Pause) Vincent Hallinan said, what has come to America that the Chinese, the\u00a0niggers, who\u2019ve been treated like\u00a0coolies\u00a0and were\u00a0slaves\u00a0and were\u00a0sold, that they, once niggers of America could treat blacks like they have been, here in San Francisco and Galileo High School. (Pause) This country has not even\u00a0begun\u00a0to feel the shortage yet. It will, though. Cats being killed, 650 of them today, throats slit, thrown in open graves, farmers said we cannot feed them, we\u2019re gonna kill them, and they did before the eyes of the nation today, shot them again and killed them and slit their throats and dropped them into the open graves. This winter\u2019s gonna be a damn cold winter, child. (Pause) S\u2019posed to be the\u00a0coldest\u00a0winter\u2014 the loving God up there\u2019s farted wrong, because it\u2019s going to be the\u00a0coldest\u00a0winter \u2014 the snails have dug six inches deeper than they\u2019ve ever dug in 40 or 50 years, and other insects that show by the way they dig down and furrow deep into the earth how\u00a0cold\u00a0it\u2019s gonna be, so we\u2019re in for a\u00a0cold\u00a0winter, and\u2014 wake up, dammit. I told you people to keep awake, or I will. (Pause) Now I mean, dammit, if I\u2019m not a good speaker, that\u2019s one thing, but I\u2019m the best liver that ever come along, and by dammit, you\u2019re going to\u00a0listen\u00a0to me.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Shouts) I\u2019ll quit church, I hope you do, by dammit. If you don\u2019t like the truth, that\u2019s what you need to do. If you don\u2019t want to help us fight for what\u2019s right, if you\u2019re here because of that stupid carryover religion, if you\u2019ve still got that falseness that we have been using to try to build a better world, if you\u2019re still caught up in religion, by dammit, we\u2019d be better off without you anyway.<\/p>\n

Applause and cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Would have a church meeting, but the attorneys, like Hallinan outside who is an atheist and a socialist and others said, don\u2019t stop it, and Dr. Goodlett yesterday said, please have your church meetings, that\u2019s your only security. Haven\u2019t been able to touch the Children of God because the First Amendment. Today\u2019s paper, they said they wanted to do it, New York investigators wanted to put them away in various places, but said they haven\u2019t found a way to get around the First Amendment. But\u00a0they will. But right now it\u2019s our only protection for freedom of assembly. And we\u2019re the only people living the Christ\u2019s life in the first place. Nobody else feeding the hungry. Jesus said the only judge of a Christian, the only way you could judge a Christian is if they fed the hungry, clothed the naked, took in the strangers, and by damn, we take in more people and feed more people and send food to more places, and do more for more people than anybody on earth. So we\u2019re the only Christians, really.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Now we\u2019ll have to prove that someday, you can bet your\u2014 you bet your bottom dollar, we\u2019ll have to prove that. And the way you\u2019re going to have to remember it is Matthew 25 and said, either why, we are\u00a0the only ones doing\u00a0the work of Christ. Christ said that the people that would be judged as sheep and goats, it was based on one thing. The goats were the people that had no concern for feeding the hungry or clothing the naked or going into the prisons and taking the prisoners out or ministering to the homeless, the widows and orphans in their afflicted\u2014 affliction (Matthew 25:32-46).<\/span>\u00a0That\u2019s\u00a0the way he said you\u2019d tell the goats and the sheep. And you\u2019re going to have to\u00a0memorize\u00a0that, because we\u2019re going to have a\u00a0time\u2014 the only thing that shelters us is the First Amendment, and today\u2019s paper\u2014 I have\u00a0many\u00a0articles \u2018cause I read every kind of news magazine and news article to keep up with what\u2019s\u00a0happening\u00a0around us. I suspect I\u2019ve read 15 newspapers today and five magazines, and I can\u2019t incorporate it all and give it to you, dessimilate [assimilate]it like I ought to, because if I\u00a0do, I speak on one level sometimes, others are on another level, it\u2019s difficult to get a comprehension, and with all that I have\u00a0on\u00a0me to try to just\u00a0protect\u00a0this place from its\u2014 from our enemies, it\u2019s a, a\u00a0good\u00a0thing that I can even remember my own name, much less what I read. I\u2019m amazed\u2014 the greatest miracle is that I can remember my own name, \u2018cause people work my ass off\u00a0night\u00a0and day, and give me no peace,\u00a0night\u00a0or day. (Pause) If you don\u2019t believe it, you can just follow me. (Pause) I\u2019m just looking through the\u2014 I have to go through everyone in the Promised Land, all their evaluations. Here\u2019s a whole\u2014 whole file full of \u2018em, I\u2019ve been through that tonight. Their evaluations of one another, and their evaluations of each other. They\u2019re doing a\u00a0good job, uh, attempting to grow, but I have to pastor them too, and that means that every day, they have to write their evaluations of themselves and what they feel about everyone else. It\u2019s a big\u00a0job\u00a0that is on my shoulders, and uh, it\u2019s amazing that I can incorporate these facts sensibly enough to\u00a0give\u00a0them to you, and the least you can do,\u00a0dammit, is stay awake over there. (Pause) Now I\u2014 I presume that we ought to be able to\u00a0stay\u00a0together without\u00a0having\u00a0to have a\u00a0healing. We ought to be able to\u00a0stay\u00a0together \u2014\u00a0Shhh! \u2014\u00a0without having a\u00a0song. But I got the\u00a0feeling\u00a0that there are a good many of you that would not\u00a0stay\u00a0together, and our advisers tell us we need bodies, that is, we need \u2018em\u2014\u00a0maybe if I tear it all up, tear this place all to\u00a0hell\u00a0tonight, we wouldn\u2019t\u2014 we\u2019d have no problem, \u2018cause I can take care\u2014 I could get you\u00a0all\u00a0to safety that would stay, \u2018cause I\u2014 I could say enough that\u2019d tear half of you out of here yet. (Pause) I sure as hell could. (Pause) I could drive\u00a0half\u00a0of you away, and it\u2019d be nothing but truth that drove you away. No\u2014 because I\u00a0am\u00a0truth, nothing but the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the unadulterated truth, the Word.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Peace. Thank you for your clapping, it\u2019s necessary at times. Our enemies need to know and count us\u2014 need to be able to hear our voices, and that\u2019s what our advisors outside say. Don\u2019t\u00a0tell,\u00a0Dr. Goodlett says, that there\u2019s no God. Said\u00a0obviously\u00a0there\u2019s no God. He told Rose Shelton and I, God\u2019s\u00a0quit\u00a0hearing the prayers of black men. If he did, he\u2019s\u00a0dead. And he\u2019s a member of the Third Baptist Church and a trustee. But he said\u00a0obviously\u00a0there\u2019s no God. Say, if there were, He would have heard our prayers\u00a0long\u00a0ago. And you go into Dr. Goodlett\u2019s place, and he\u2019s had a heart attack, and see (stretches out word) all those sick bodies, all of those people crowded in lines,\u00a0lines\u00a0waiting on him, to get some attention. And he\u2019s trying, but\u00a0no\u00a0doctor could meet the needs of so many people as fast as they have to meet them, and then do the other things that we\u2019re working on to save the nation, which we won\u2019t talk about here. He gave us some time, talking about some things we\u2019re gonna do to\u00a0save\u00a0the nation, but it\u2019s\u00a0bad. Conditions are bad, he said, you cannot even get the plight of the black man\u2019s job situation into the newspaper. He said we\u2019re gonna have to\u00a0get\u00a0some of these newspapers, get\u00a0control\u00a0of them, because most black papers are actually owned by white people and fronted by black people, and you can\u2019t even get what\u2019s going\u00a0on, he said, the starvation, the\u2014 the\u00a0joblessness, the terror that\u2019s happening to black people, the\u2014 the experimentation that\u2019s being\u00a0done\u00a0on them in prisons already, he said, you cannot get it into the\u00a0newspaper, because they won\u2019t\u00a0print\u00a0it. He said even the\u00a0Washington Post<\/em>, which is suppo\u2014 supposedly the best paper in the nation, would not even print the findings of the terror of what\u2019s happening to black and Indian people and poor white people in this country. Wouldn\u2019t even print it, that\u2019s what he told Rose and I. Said we gotta get a\u00a0hold\u00a0of some of these papers, or it\u2019s hopeless. (Pause) But there\u2019s one thing he doesn\u2019t realize. It\u2019s more hopeless than even\u00a0he\u00a0sees. (Pause) \u2018Cause it\u2019ll\u00a0come\u00a0to fascism here. And I think he doesn\u2019t\u2014 ah, it\u2019s a little harder for him. He\u2019s made it, you know. He\u2019s got a career, he\u2019s got his child adopted, he\u2019s got business, he\u2019s got success. It\u2019s awfully hard for him to face the fact that it\u2019s\u00a0nothing. So he still has a hope that we\u2019re going to avoid total, outright tyranny. But every other breath, he\u2019d say, well, they\u2019re gonna put us in concentration camps<\/a>. The last time I talked to him on the phone,\u00a0every\u00a0time, he\u2019ll discuss concentration camps. Yet one side of him will say, we gotta\u00a0do\u00a0something. There\u2019s\u00a0nothing\u00a0we can do, but get ourselves together to make a demonstration for the revolution, to be quiet and keep ourselves in limbo, or get ourselves to the Promised Land for training, or get somewhere. There is\u00a0nothing\u00a0for us to do. The people are asleep. Just like they are in this room, they are asleep.<\/p>\n

They don\u2019t give a damn, racism is at the heart of this nation, and the moment we have much more joblessness, it will not be\u00a0safe\u00a0for\u00a0you\u00a0to walk from your store, as a black American, or a person who associates with people of color, it will not be safe for you to go from your\u00a0store\u00a0to your home. (Pause) When they\u2019ve got to have the National Guard in the city of Boston, the seat of democracy, where the Plymouth Rock\u2014 (Pause) All those lovely Puritans settled, because they wanted freedom for everyone, and now the very place that\u00a0started\u00a0freedom for everyone makes it unsafe for black people\u2014 they said tonight over the news, not a black person\u2019s safe in South Boston. They don\u2019t even\u00a0go\u00a0into South Boston. It\u2019s not safe. (Pause) And you\u2019ve seen\u00a0nothing\u00a0yet. So if\u2014 for that reason alone should be why we\u2019re here. But it\u00a0isn\u2019t. There\u2019s a\u00a0blindness\u00a0in this room. Stupidity in this room. You think you can make it. You go out, and you waste your damn money, you throw your money away, you get into the society, you think, ah, I see others making it out there. They\u2019re\u00a0not\u00a0making it. Suddenly, it\u2019s gonna be\u00a0stopped.<\/p>\n

(Pause) In the first place, we just get reports of these dear ones that left us. These young girls in the b\u2014 same bed with three different men at the same time. And then go to each other. Men with women, women with men, drunker than hoot owls. Say, how do you know? \u2018Cause I hear it on a tape that somebody has. I don\u2019t have to take any gossip about it, I\u00a0hear\u00a0it, because they think that some people that\u2019re with them are not with them, and some have seen through them, that act like they\u2019re with them, and they\u2019ve gone\u00a0completely\u00a0apart. And they had a good start. They got together and gonna put their money\u00a0together, and they had some money come in, they had money given to them in wills, and money\u00a0turned\u00a0over to them, they haven\u2019t got a dime, they\u2019re out of money now.\u00a0Broke. (Pause) And that\u2019s what the world\u2019s doing right now. But you look at the black people and say, oh, they look happy. Well, false kind of happiness. Guess you can be happy in a fur coat, starve to death in December. I suppose that\u2019s a s\u2014 a sort of happiness. Uh, I don\u2019t know, it always fails uh, me, in ah, comprehending, I can\u2019t comprehend stupid people who can find happiness, like some of our people\u00a0do, by driving a big car that they can\u2019t pay for. M\u2014 more than that now, you go in neighborhood after neighborhood, they can\u2019t\u00a0drive\u00a0it, \u2018cause they can\u2019t afford the gasoline. And before very long, it\u2019s gonna be the place they won\u2019t ever drive it\u00a0at all, because when you get ninety cents on the gallon of gas \u2014 and that\u2019s coming sure as hell \u2014 because we don\u2019t have the\u00a0gas, baby. Mr. Ford\u2019s getting on, said I know Americans gonna (drawn out) all sacrifice, he said, uh, my boy\u2019s gonna ride bicycles and do away with their stereo, he sounds like a maniac. (Pause) Sounds like a\u00a0two-year-old running this nation. We got\u00a0idiots\u00a0running the nation, and idiots in the churches like Kathryn Kuhlman ,\u00a0fools\u00a0in the churches,\u00a0fools\u00a0in the government, talking about people volunteering that you\u2019re gonna all go 55 miles an hour, and he\u2019s know you\u2019re all gonna do it. And you know damn well, I have to stand on you and threaten you with the fear of God to get you to do it in this room.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/b>\u00a0Right. (Scattered applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0They\u2019re not gonna do it. (Pause) They\u2019re not gonna do it. And so in a few weeks, they\u2019re gonna slap you with the damnedest tax you ever seen on your gasoline, and you\u2019ll have the same old fuel shortages, and these black people that you think they\u2019re\u2014 we\u2019re envying out there will have\u00a0nothing, (Pause) and we could save our people, if you want to save it, or if you want to stand up for what\u2019s im\u2014 important and true, even make a\u00a0revolution. I don\u2019t mean to cause any violence to anyone, but to protect our spirit of nonviolence here, to protect our work, and make a stand. You understand what I\u2019m saying. If you don\u2019t, hell, you never will. (Pause) And some of you never will. (Pause) Some of you never will. (Shouts)\u00a0Wake up,\u00a0dammit. (Pause) Well, I could ask that\u2014 had you ask questions tonight, but we have to change things, and everything gets in a lull and a routine. Some of you are too damn white, though, you white-y assholes, you make me tired, you don\u2019t have a problem, you don\u2019t think you got a problem, you\u2019re too damn white, so get lost.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Offerings, lousy. Everything lousy. Fighting, and then some of you\u2014 some of you are\u00a0not\u00a0gonna know this problem. You don\u2019t get involved with it\u2014 (Pause) I\u2019m looking at a white one then, that doesn\u2019t get involved with it, \u2018cause you\u2019re too damn white. There\u2019s one thing I should\u2019ve made. I should have demanded it, and we got all kinds of hell started because somebody going after\u2014 to prove their nomena\u2014 to prove their homosexuality, yes that\u2019s what I started to say. To\u00a0prove\u00a0their homosexuality, they\u2019d get somebody else\u2019s wife and mingle with somebody else\u2019s husband, rather than do what I said. But I said there ought to be a\u00a0requirement\u00a0here, that if you have nothing more than name only, that you had to be married to black, if you\u2019re white, or have an adopted child if you\u2019re white, because unless you\u2019ve got this problem firsthand in your home, you don\u2019t know what the hell this problem is.<\/p>\n

Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0No\u00a0way to get some of you people involved in it. And I\u2019m\u00a0nervous\u00a0about you. (Pause) (Away from mike) Go down through here. I want to get some of these people tonight, by God, some of you folks, or I\u2019ll get\u2014 You good folk won\u2019t mind going along with the bad folk, will you? (back to mike) Saying this stuff on\u2014 saying something over the tape recorder?<\/p>\n

Voice:\u00a0<\/b>No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Had tape recorders all over this place. Get \u2018em. (Pause) How many in here have\u00a0not\u00a0signed the slip? I had you all sign the slip one time. (Pause) How many\u00a0have\u00a0not? (Pause) Yoo! Too many, too many. (Pause) O-o-o-oh, any kind of slip, honey, you just sign it.<\/p>\n

General noise.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0If you want to be protected to me, it su\u2014 sure shows\u00a0I\u00a0don\u2019t do anything to hurt anybody, \u2018cause I get all kind of people in trouble if I wanted to. I got so much on people that\u2019ve gone out of here, I could just snap a finger, they\u2019d all be in jail. I\u2019m not that kind of person. I want to\u00a0protect\u00a0you. People who\u2019ve\u2014 before they get in here, before they take a membership card, they ought to have to\u00a0sign\u00a0some things. They ought to have to sign two sheets. (Pause) Membership secretaries hearing that? They don\u2019t want to sign it, they don\u2019t get to see it, they don\u2019t get it. (Pause) They shine\u2014\u00a0sign\u00a0two\u00a0sheets. And by the way, you all are supposed to get your new membership card, not gonna be worth the paper it\u2019s written on, you got to do that quickly, there\u2019s a new membership card coming out in Playtex, plastic, can\u2019t be broken, your picture\u2019s on there, it\u2019s ah, insulated in plastic, and you\u2014\u00a0it\u2019s a very lovely thing, it\u2019ll be good for identification, and you\u2019ve got to have it. (Pause) How many have bought theirs thus far? Or gotten it? Be sure to get one. (Pause) Your membership card now has your picture on it. (Pause) (Mike cuts back on) \u2014there never have signed anything, put your hand up again. (Pause) Mmm. Oh yes, you did, Gracie, fought all (unintelligible word) one night, you did too.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You raised a lot of\u00a0hell\u00a0about it, but you finally signed it.<\/p>\n

General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0(Laughs) Oh yes. I\u2019d say that\u2019ll do it right now. (Pause) Sign, everybody in the damn house, sign one of these, right now.<\/p>\n

Voice of man too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0All, all of these that\u2019ve not\u2014 they\u2019ve gotten your membership card don\u2019t need to. If you already have your new membership card, you don\u2019t need to. But everybody else sign \u2018em. Only problem is, you got folk in here that\u2019ll say they haven\u2019t, won\u2019t sign, have signed, didn\u2019t sign, said they did, the ones that said they did didn\u2019t\u2014 (Pause) You hear what I\u2019m saying?<\/p>\n

Voice of woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0That\u2019s clever. Thank you, Patty. Show your membership card, you won\u2019t have to sign. (Pause) That\u2019s a very simple solution. Thank you. (Pause) Glad somebody had more sense than God there and helped him out.<\/p>\n

Laughter, then general noise.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Oh no, not in the long haul, but in the quick short in, we can certainly be of help to one another. I\u2019ve got enough intelligence to get you through every situation, but I certainly can stand your help on advice and counsel in our business meetings.\u00a0Glad\u00a0to get it. (Pause) That\u2019s why I\u00a0have\u00a0so much power, is because I\u2019m not misusing it. Don\u2019t think better of myself than I am. I know exactly what I can do, I know exactly my limitations and I know my strength. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve not gotten you into any trouble,\u00a0yet. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve brought you through\u00a0safely, because I know\u00a0exactly\u00a0how far to move. Some of you are too much in love with yourself, that\u2019s why you get us in so much trouble that I have to get you out of. (Pause) I never got myself in any trouble, but I\u2019m always getting somebody else out of trouble. (Pause) When you find any of those that don\u2019t have membership cards, go along with that, and they can make some statements, too. (Pause) You only got one of them? How many\u2014\u00a0uh, you go through, show your membership card. (Pause) Gonna follow through there, follow through. (Pause) \u2018S be a little later meeting tonight than we want it to be, but we want to protect ourselves, don\u2019t we?<\/p>\n

Crowd:\u00a0<\/b>Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You don\u2019t give them the damn thing, you have it signed, and brought back in your hand right now. You give them the pencil and you sign it. You people don\u2019t know a thing about how to protect your house. (Pause) You get it signed right now. (Pause) Yes, Brother Newman.<\/p>\n

(Voice too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Shh!<\/p>\n

(mike cuts on) \u2014our card, see. I\u2014 I picked\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b>\u00a0Will you let us see our membership picture, each fellow sitting beside of us, see, (unintelligible phrase), right through the line. And that way we\u2019ll know\u2014 we\u2019ll get everybody, see?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Did you understand what he\u2019s saying, Patty? (Pause) Oh, it\u2019s because of clarification, that he\u2019s not coming through clearly, so\u2014\u00a0(Pause)\u00a0Two\u00a0of these. (Pause) This way they won\u2019t give you no trouble, if they want anybody\u2014 if anybody\u2019s a Judas. Most of you don\u2019t need to sign this at all, but some do, and so everybody going to have to sign one, that\u2019s the only way you can do it. (Pause) This resigns from the church\u2014 Whenever we get ready for you to resign, you\u2019ve already resigned. See what I\u2019m saying? Then nobody can go out when we get ready and get our Promised Land, or get something set up for safety, ther\u2014 somebody won\u2019t be able to say, well, I\u2014 I have so much in this place, I\u2019m a member. Won\u2019t be able to do it. Say, well Father, what about us that are in? Well,\u00a0obviously\u00a0you\u00a0know\u00a0what I\u2019d about you, I\u2019d take\u00a0care\u00a0of you. You\u2019re not in based on a card, you\u2019re in based on my heart, that\u2019s what makes you in.<\/p>\n

Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0You remember when Chris Lewis was out? Remember when Chris Lewis was out? (Pause) (Aside, away from mike) No, it\u2019s not um\u2014 no, it\u2019s not enough, they need to sign it up here. (Taps) They need to sign it up there. Up on the top. Thank you. (Back to mike) She want\u2014 I want that signed and\u2014 you can sign it down there too. Sign it up there\u2014 and then, then on the blank space up above it. (Pause) See there? See that one there? (Pause) Uh, where it has witness? Like here. You sign down here like uh, this brother or sister has, then up there, you\u2019re to sign your name too. (Pause) \u2018Cause that down here, it\u00a0restricts\u00a0the use of it. This paragraph restricts the use of it. (Pause) Hmm? It\u2019s all right. It\u2014 He needs that signature, he needs that bottom half. He needs that, but he uh\u2014 another signature\u2014 signature up there, he can still use it for whatever purpose that uh\u2014 it\u00a0all\u00a0goes to me, honey, this all goes to me. I have\u00a0all\u00a0these. We don\u2019t let these things running loose. So nobody gonna get you in any trouble by anything you sign. (Pause) Deep in a vault, nobody ever gets to it.\u00a0Nobody. (Pause) These things are turned over to\u00a0me, every one of them has to be accountable. (Pause) \u2018Cause I know I won\u2019t ever\u00a0use\u00a0them, only if somebody wanted to do you harm. (Pause) And everybody gets in this church membership, it ought to be done that way, folk. Secretaries ought to get that done quickly. (Pause) Membership card should never go out unless it\u2019s signed, just like I\u2019d showed the membership secretary how that\u2019s to be signed. (Pause) All membership secretaries should see this.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd too far away.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0No, old membership cards won\u2019t do. Old memberships aren\u2019t worth uh, aren\u2019t worth dung. Takes a\u00a0new\u00a0one. \u2018Cause those that have signed the new one have filled these forms. (Pause) The old cards are\u2014 after a while, the\u2014 the old cards will not even be in good standing, \u2018cause we made a new amendment to the charter, that all\u2014 the\u2014 unless you have this kind of a plastic card, you\u2019re not a member, so you\u00a0gotta\u00a0get a plastic card. (Pause) Anybody doesn\u2019t\u2014 has any question why we\u2019re doing this? It ought to be plain as the nose on your face, but I\u2019ll tell you, I don\u2019t\u00a0ever\u00a0trick nobody. (Pause) Anybody got any question? I\u2019ll tell you.<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0What\u2019s that? (Pause) Thank you, darling, that\u2019s a very good request. Cara, uh\u2014 help her, help her get the new uh\u2014 help her find out where she gets the new card. Brother Mertle and Sister Mertle issue the new cards. (Pause) (mike cuts back in) \u2014everybody. (Pause) I (unintelligible word) say what, up to 12\u2014 over 12. (Pause) Make it 11, then we\u2019re safe. (Pause) \u2018Cause a year\u2019s time, we\u2019ll have our destinies made out. Probably. (Pause) Age of accountability is 12, so do it 11. That\u2019ll catch all those that get 12 in the next few months. (Pause) Anybody have any question? (Pause) Yes. Shh! Quiet. Counselor?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Speak.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0I\u2019d like to know if we have some provision that a person can sign to the effect that um\u2014<\/p>\n

Another woman<\/b>: Can you get any closer?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Can you bring it closer to her, dear? Uh, it was the counselor speaking, that\u2019s who\u2014 I want to see\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, ca\u2014 do we have any provision that a person can sign that whatever they put in this church remains in, should they decide to go out?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Uh, automatically, uh, th\u2014 that isn\u2019t bad idea, but automatically, so\u2014 so done. Because every offering we take is a free gift, free will. We don\u2019t have um\u2014 we don\u2019t have pledge, um, uh, what do I, what I\u2014 not\u2014 that\u2019s not the word, “pledge” is still free gift. We don\u2019t have um\u2014 (Pause) Oh, what is it they issue\u2014 Bonds! We don\u2019t\u2014 we don\u2019t do anything of that sort, this is automatically a free gift, and if you give it freely\u2014 but I\u00a0still\u00a0think it\u2019s a good idea, \u2018cause some people don\u2019t know, they\u2019re\u2014 they\u2019re\u2014 they\u2019re ignorant of the law. I think it\u2019s a good idea what she said. I\u2014 I yield to the counselor, I think um, Mertle drafted should be forms that whatever I\u2019ve given, (Pause) I will never ask for a penny back from this church.<\/p>\n

General hubbub.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Understand that? (Pause) Get a form filled out. Of course, you can\u2019t anyway, because your father\u2019s\u00a0always\u00a0been careful in that way. These are free will offerings, you\u2019ve been told\u00a0exactly\u00a0what I stand for, you can never say that there\u2019s been misrepresentation, because I told you there was no God, I told you I was the only God there was, I told you there was nothing else but truth, and only truth is socialism, and I\u2019ve told you so nobody can go out of here and say they had any misrepresentation. That\u2019s the only way you can get money back, is that if money has been taken under false pretenses, and honey, I\u00a0sure\u00a0can be accused of many things, but I never took money under false pretenses. (Pause) I told you exactly what it was\u2014 what we were doing, what we were trying to do, where we were going. I\u2019ve hid nothing from the people, not a thing have I hid from the people. (Pause) What? Can you\u00a0read\u00a0it? You should trust me enough\u00a0not\u00a0to have to read it.<\/p>\n

Scattered applause and cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0If you start read it, everybody in the place will want to read it. (Pause) Give it to me. (Pause) I\u2019ll read it, once. You ought\u2019nt have to, though. This is\u2014\u00a0(struggles for words) My God, I went to\u2014 I went\u2014 when Chris Lewis wasn\u2019t uh, even a member and was acting like a regular ass, I went and got him out of jail and spent thirty-seven thousand, five hundred dollars\u2014 thirty-seven thousand, five hundred dollars to\u00a0save\u00a0him, because he was a member at one time.<\/p>\n

Voice too far away.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b>\u00a0Well I\u2014 How many heard that? (Pause) The sister back there said she didn\u2019t. Well, it\u2019s\u00a0true. He\u2019s\u2014 Reverend Brown\u2019s right, they talk too much. I said, you should not have to worry about anything, because I have\u00a0proven\u00a0my character. What did I have to do for Chris Lewis?\u00a0Nothing. He quit church. He wasn\u2019t coming to church. I never forget any child. They\u2019re halfway trying. I did make a requirement after that, if you quit church, we\u2019re not obligated to do anything. If you quit church, we\u2019re not obligated. Not by signing this. This is all\u2014 all this says, “I certify the above information is true and correct. I hereby agree and consent to the use of this statement and my photograph in the publications and other communications sponsored or otherwise influenced by Peoples Temple Christian Church. This statement may be used in whole or in part, and may be edited as is reasonable. I sign this freely without duress, because I believe in the human service work of Peoples Temple Christian Church.” The other one says “I hereby resign my membership in Peoples Temple Christian Church. I am resigning because my beliefs and activities are at variance with the beliefs and activities of Peoples Temple Christian Church and Jim Jones, the pastor of said church. I have no criticism of the church or the beliefs and standards of the Peoples Temple Christian Church. My only reason for resigning is that I do not feel I can uphold these beliefs, and my current activities take up too much of my time. I have been treated fairly, and with justice and love by Jim Jones and the members of the Peoples Temple Church. At no time have I any reason to be unhappy and to disagree with any of the treatment that I have received. Signed.”<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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