{"id":63160,"date":"2015-03-03T00:29:59","date_gmt":"2015-03-03T00:29:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63160"},"modified":"2023-07-11T17:04:20","modified_gmt":"2023-07-12T00:04:20","slug":"annotated-transcript-q1016","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63160","title":{"rendered":"Annotated Transcript Q1016"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Jones: <\/b>(End of song) You see what I\u2019m doing? Hmm? See, I\u2019m loving you. \u2018Cause I see, I love you. I see the hope<\/i> and the future<\/i> in you. That\u2019s what I\u2019m doing<\/i> when I sing it to you:<\/p>\n

I promise to love you forever
\nI know you\u2019re the strength of my love
\nAnd since I have made this endeavor
\nYou take me through with you somehow.
\nYou can bet I will.<\/p>\n

Love you, love you
\nI\u2019ll be loving you
\nLove you\u2014 forever faithful and true
\nDaytime and nighttime, all the year through
\nI\u2019ll just keep right on loving you.<\/p>\n

I promise to love you forever, (calls out) Phillip,
\nI know you\u2019re the strength of my love
\nAnd since I have made this endeavor
\nYou take me through with you somehow.
\nYes, love you, love you
\nI\u2019ll be loving you
\nFaithful forever, be faithful and true
\nDaytime and nighttime, and all the year through
\nI\u2019ll just keep right on loving you.<\/p>\n

Once again,I promise to love,
\nThink of somebody now, think of somebody
\n\u2014with the strength of my love<\/p>\n

And since I have made this endeavor
\nYou take me through with you somehow.
\nOh yes I will<\/p>\n

Love you, love you
\nI\u2019ll be loving you
\nFaithful forever, be faithful and true
\nDaytime and nighttime, all the day through
\nI\u2019ll just keep right on loving you.<\/p>\n

Yes, I promise to love God forever,
\nI know you\u2019re the strength of my love
\nAnd since I have made this endeavor
\nYou take me through with you somehow.<\/p>\n

Love you, love you
\nI\u2019ll be loving you
\nFaithful forever, be faithful and true
\nDaytime and nighttime, and all the year through
\nI\u2019ll just keep right on loving you.<\/p>\n

Thank you. Well, we had two choruses, that\u2019s good. Sometimes we have to make them profitable in this way, too, this is a part of it, you can\u2019t learn music and inspiration on other uh, worship nights. We may continue. Hmm? Hmm? Continue as you feel, if you\u2014 if someone wants to ex\u2014 exercise their faith for another, just three or four minutes by saying some admonition, do so.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/b> (speaking in monotone tongues for several seconds) God has come. Love has come, in other man. And the light has come in other man. True apostolic (unintelligible word\u2014\u00a0sound like “charity”) exists.<\/p>\n

Several people shout.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh!<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> \u2014 upon this earth. It has come. And it is coming. And God has (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Shh!<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Jim Jones has come to bring socialism to the United States of America. Hallelujah, hallelujah hallelujah!<\/p>\n

Many people shout.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> It\u2019s beautiful. It\u2019s beautiful. I would add one thing to it. Christian<\/i> socialism. That\u2019s where you take them, that stage. You take them stage by stage. Or apostolic<\/i> Christian socialism. Very beautiful.<\/p>\n

We promise to love it forever
\nI know it\u2019s the strength of my vow
\nAnd since I have made this endeavor
\nYou take me through with you somehow.<\/p>\n

Love you, love you
\nI\u2019ll be loving you<\/p>\n

Yes. (rest of congregation continues to sing chorus)<\/p>\n

Thank you. Anyone else with an expression. Want to make expression? Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Man in congregation:<\/b> Behold, I have said unto thee. Give up thy capitalist ways. I have returned with my power and glory to build a new Jerusalem. Hallelujah<\/span> (several echo.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes. To build a new heaven and new earth would probably be more sound theology (Reference to Revelation 3, esp. Rev. 3:12).<\/span><\/p>\n

Woman witnesses in tongues:<\/b> \u2014had all things in common, and distributed to these, as they had these, (unintelligible word) had this, here, true Christian socialism, here now on earth. Ah hallelujah. (several echo.)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019ll need to preface these things with “The Lord<\/i> hath declared,” or “The Spirit speaketh,” expressly<\/i> to the church, something of this nature, to give an endorsement. But now qualify your thoughts in the days ahead with knowledge. Get some knowledge in there. Go through these scriptural concordances and find<\/i> them, blue\u2014 beautiful quotes that you can push it in between a scriptural phrase, and it\u2019ll be of great<\/i> help in building the ideal. One voice will reach someone where another one won\u2019t. One testimony will open a door, and no one else could succeed. My voice might be associated with its tenor, uh, with a\u2014 with a type of voice that has been ah, reflecting negation to the person. Well, they shut you off. Or my s\u2014\u00a0my prototype, my physique might be of a negative nature to someone. But some voice out of the great anonymity of the collective whole speaks<\/i>, opens the door, when I\u2019ve not been able to open the door. But we have to get knowledge there. So let\u2019s increase it with knowledge. I\u2019m going to expect more<\/i> knowledge at next meeting. Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> More knowledge. Anyone else? I like uh, sweet love\u2019s tongues, and listen to it, sweet love\u2019s speak\u2014 speak forth.<\/p>\n

Woman speaks in tongues: <\/b>The Lord God is (unintelligible word). Behold, the people his word. Yeah, he is\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Umm-hmm. Yes. Now, with a message like that, to lengthen<\/i> it a little bit. If someone even picks on her tongue\u2014\u00a0she has a beautiful tongue\u2014 gift, if someone then gives the admon\u2014 the prophetic<\/i> uh, interpretation, because it\u2019s a language, almost, her, it\u2019s just as, someplace deep in the ve\u2014 very recesses of her consciousness. I would even\u2014 I wouldn\u2019t make a stake on it that it\u2019s a language that she\u2019s used<\/i> at some, at some stage, in her unfoldment<\/i>, in some prior life. (Pause) But we\u2019re not here to theorize about the supernatural meaning of it anyway, we\u2019re here to utilize<\/i> it for good.<\/p>\n

Several voices: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Beautiful.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Might I suggest\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmm-hmm. You might.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Four or five\u2014\u00a0four or five words, a half dozen words, half a dozen words in tongues, (Pause) and six<\/i> dozen words in interpretation do not relate\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> \u2014in terms of (Unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You need to parallel<\/i>. And you have to, you have to make your tongues comparable to the\u2014 I mean the sounds should be comparable. Unintelligible? Unintelligible sounds should be equivalent time.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right. You go thirty seconds, you should go thirty seconds (unintelligible phrase)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes. True. Work on that. Yes, Simon?<\/p>\n

Simon:<\/b> (tongues)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Mmm. That\u2019s good.<\/p>\n

Simon:<\/b> I say, Behold. The people as one. And now, they have all one language. (Witnessing unintelligible) The loving shall be reprieved (feedback distorts) \u2014 our Lord God, Jim Jones, our socialist redeemer has things for us to do. We shall accomplish. (Unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Bless you. Bless you.<\/p>\n

Crowd reacts, applauds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I would say that\u2019s very direct. I would say that\u2019s very direct. And to you that don\u2019t understand God in the body, you\u2019ll just have to talk to brother over there, so he will understand God the body. He\u2019s caught in it, so you\u2019re gonna have to understand it, in a way, he\u2019s out of it, he\u2019s in it, so you\u2019re gonna have to understand it. (Pause) God is the same today, yesterday and forever. He said I am the same. Christ is the same. Now, somebody gonna have to talk to him, \u2018cause he\u2019s been in\u2014 exposed<\/i> here, way, wisely or unwisely, he has been. It\u2019s not mine to uh, direct or police, but it is thine<\/i> to do that and be trick\u2014 quick to instruct. If one understand the error<\/i> of Scriptures, then you can open them to new truth. And somebody\u2019s going to have to do some work in that area. All right, now. Peace. On with the business of building character. If God is love, then (feedback). Whatever you folk are doing here, if God is love, then certainly there is no question that this is the most God force<\/i>, or Godenic power in universe. \u2018Cause there\u2019s no place more loving, more honest, more true\u2014 Now some of you are going to have to listen to me, because you\u2019re going to have to do some interpreting over there. (Pause) I don\u2019t know how we get into these binds where people have no preparation, and we\u2019re\u2014 we\u2019re caught in it, so we\u2019re gonna have to get with it and get the instructions<\/i> across, and afterwards, gave a gathering. Now if God is love, then nobody can go wrong in this atmosphere. \u2018Cause this is the most loving<\/i> place \u2014\u00a0not satisfied where we are \u2014 but it\u2019s the most loving place. We look after children when they\u2019re little, till they leave this world. We take care of people from the cradle (Pause) and we\u2019ve avoided the grave. And that makes us even more<\/i> God, by scriptural commandments, because we stopping death<\/i>. Talk about God in the collective sense, if you can\u2019t take it in the personal sense. So we are stopping death, we are stopping social diseases, all the injustices to this<\/i> family, we resolve. As far as lies within us, we do it. And certainly<\/i>, though we\u2019re not satisfied with our performance, no<\/i> group \u2014\u00a0none of these so-called Christians \u2014\u00a0come anyway near what we\u2019re doing. And if the\u2014\u00a0If they were correct, which is ridiculous, because that Scripture about the Antichrist in Matthew 25\u2014\u00a0You got to know Scripture, folks. There\u2019s no substitute<\/i> for some of this. When they\u2019ll come at you with the twenty-fourth chapter Matthew, say there\u2019ll be lo\u2014\u00a0false Christ, lo here and lo there, and they will do these things and that and so forth, but that same chapter says that this generation<\/i> shall not pass away till all these things be fulfilled (Matthew 24:23-24. “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect;” Matthew 24:34, “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”).<\/span> You\u2019ve gotta know that, \u2018cause somebody\u2019s gonna stymie you. What does it mean, a generation is 20 years, that was speaking to that time zone, right there. It had nothing to do<\/i> with 1972.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>So true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> But<\/i>, in the first place, if it did. When the Antichrist can be better than the followers of Christ, you got a weak Jesus, honey.<\/p>\n

Laughter. Amen.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He\u2019s mighty weak. When those that they call the anti<\/i>-Jesus people are sweeter, lovinger\u2014 more loving, more kind, more holy<\/i>, more good, more gentle, more peaceful \u2014 certainly<\/i> more peaceful \u2014\u00a0more sharing\u2014 when the anti-Jesus people are more loving<\/i> and sharing<\/i> and kind and good than the Jesus people, you better look at your Jesus. He is indeed weak.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> So true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m talking from your<\/i> frame of reference. We know<\/i> where Jesus is.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If it didn\u2019t sound like Bagadosha, I\u2019d say exactly<\/i> where he is. But I don\u2019t care<\/i> whether someone knows where<\/i> he is, as long as they have the Spirit<\/i> of Jesus. That\u2019s the difference between me and you Christians. I don\u2019t care where<\/i> the spirit is, as long as it\u2019s there. You Christians have gotta say\u2014\u00a0(Pause) you gotta believe that He\u2019s this, that and the other thing. He\u2019s a healer, baptizer, gonna come again in a Rapture, gonna send certain people don\u2019t dress right and don\u2019t look right to hell and others to heaven. You say, unless you believe that<\/i>, no good what kind of spirit you got<\/i>. I say, as long as you\u2019re healing the people, as Jesus said, and helping the people, as Jesus said, you\u2019re not against<\/i> us, you\u2019re on our part. I<\/i> say, that I\u2019ll draw a circle and take you people in, while you draw a circle and cut us out as something to flout, shun, and dis\u2014\u00a0and to avoid. So I\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I don\u2019t uh, care whether you know where Jesus is, I know where he\u2019s sitting, I know where he\u2019s standing, I know where he\u2019s breathing. But it don\u2019t make any difference to me whether you do or not. If you have the spirit<\/i> of Jesus, I will accept you, whether you accept me or not. Now that\u2019s a bigger love than the love you\u2019ve come out of. That\u2019s a bigger love than your church entity affords. \u2018Cause your<\/i> love is conditional. You say, I<\/i> love you, if you love the same doctrines that I love. You gotta believe the same scriptures<\/i> that I believe. If you don\u2019t<\/i>, I don\u2019t even speak to you. Don\u2019t tell me<\/i> that\u2019s not what you believe, because that\u2019s what you do<\/i> believe. That\u2019s what you\u2019ve been taught<\/i> to believe. Don\u2019t bid Godspeed to anybody that don\u2019t agree with your little ol\u2019 doctrines. (Pause) (To self) Oh, it\u2019s hopeless anyway. But try it. (Short laugh) Can\u2019t get people\u2019s attention long enough yet, you have to hit \u2018em in the ass with a big stick.<\/p>\n

Few laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u00a0(Forced laughter, loud) Ha ha ha ha, I did it. I did it.<\/p>\n

More laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I talk in religion, didn\u2019t get nobody\u2019s attention. I said, I hit somebody in the ass with a big stick, and they listen.<\/p>\n

Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s why sometimes you have to speak<\/i> that way, to get people\u2019s attention. You can pray<\/i> and you can peal<\/i> and you can sing<\/i>, and you won\u2019t get their attention. (Pause) (High laughter) It\u2019s sweet. (Laughter) (Off mike) I look at you, and I get somebody else\u2019s attention. I got somebody<\/i> looking at us. See, if they\u2019ll look<\/i> at me, and look<\/i> at us a while, maybe<\/i> they\u2019ll hear that they\u2019re all wet<\/i>. You see<\/i>? If they\u2019ll look at you and me, maybe I\u2019ll get their attention. I\u2019m not even talking to her, I just look at her, \u2018cause I got you to look now, looking at me, and maybe you\u2019ll hear<\/i> me say, that you\u2019re all wet<\/i>. You been\u2014 you been in (Slows for emphasis) error. You\u2019ve been misinformed. You\u2019ve been misused. You\u2019ve been mis-used. (Pause) So sweet. (Pause) But you can\u2019t tell me who Jesus\u2019 grandfather<\/i> is, then you better listen to somebody that\u2019s practicing love. And you don\u2019t know who Jesus\u2019s grandfather is \u2014 Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 tells you two different things. Both Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 tell you something different about his great-grandfather (Matthew 1:15-16 “…Matthan begat Jacob; And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ”; Luke 3:23-24, “And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, Which was the son of Matthat.”). And both chapters disagree as to how many granddaddies he has, as they trace him back to that important<\/i> Abraham, the Melchezedek Order [Genesis 14:18-20, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:5-9]. Can\u2019t even agree. Fifteen more granddaddies. Now if you don\u2019t know how many granddaddies Jesus had, you\u2019re sad.<\/span> (Pause) I better look at you again, \u2018cause I ain\u2019t getting their attention.<\/p>\n

One person laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now I got their attention. (Pause) It\u2019s true<\/i>. I don\u2019t need to cuss, I never have needed to cuss, but if I get you to wake up by cussing, I\u2019ll cuss<\/i> till you wake up. (Pause) (Cadence speech) If speaking sweet nothing \u2014 and that what you been hearing \u2014\u00a0lot of Hallelujah gibberish and Glory to God gibberish that doesn\u2019t say a thing. Your sweet<\/i> talk, while you just go on hungering, go on without love, go on in your loneliness, go on in your uncomfortable state, no place to live, no place to take you in, no one to give a damn whether you live or die. Sweet<\/i> talking you all the way out of your money<\/i>. Sweet<\/i> talking you, in their fine garb and robes. Sweet<\/i> talking you, as they drive around in their Cadillacs. Sweet<\/i> talking you, telling you, you\u2019re gonna go to heaven, and you don\u2019t know whether there\u2019s any heaven, because they don\u2019t look like they\u2019re dressed up for heaven, they look like they\u2019re dressed up to go out on the town. The preacher look like they\u2019re dressed up to go out and shack up with somebody. Ha ha, that woke you up. (Pause) Look like they\u2019re dressed up to go every<\/i> place but heaven. Why, if you\u2019re getting ready to go to heaven, you put on a robe<\/i>. (Pause) Not going to take anything with you, just\u2014\u00a0might as well go naked. If you\u2019re holy. \u2018Cause everything will be holy anyway, you\u2019ll be like you were in the first Eden, you\u2019ll be k\u2014 in the consciousness of Adam and Eve, you won\u2019t know any sin, (unintelligible phrase), you look at a cock, and it\u2019ll look like a\u2014\u00a0it\u2019ll look like an, an emerald on a crown. Cock will look like a gem, and a breast will look like\u2014 just look like one\u2014\u00a0maybe the breast of an angel<\/i>, and that\u2019s true. Aren\u2019t you glad?<\/i><\/p>\n

Crowd responds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (High laughter) So you be back there naked, ready to go to heaven. The only reason preacher don\u2019t get naked is because they got too little to show<\/i>, that\u2019s why they don\u2019t get naked. (Pause) (Spoken as aside) We\u2019re still with you. (Minister\u2019s tone) They can make themselves look more seductive with their fine clothes, but inside those fine clothes, they got those old wrinkles from eating the fat<\/i> of the land while the people starve. Eating too much meat\u2014grease, while the people aren\u2019t even getting chitterlings. They don\u2019t want to go naked, they\u2014\u00a0not because they\u2019re holy, they\u2019d like to go naked, a\u2014 if it\u2014 if it\u2019s in the right atmosphere. But (unintelligible word) up there trying to lure<\/i> the saints, \u2018cause they want to look good, to lure the saints. (Pause) Now I don\u2019t know how much truth I\u2019ve taught, but you know what I\u2019ve achieved? The people here tonight didn\u2019t know anything are listening for the first time. All<\/i> of the honest polemics and the nice lyrical phrases of the scripture didn\u2019t cause any brother to listen, (Quiet voice) but now he listening, and he\u2019s thinking. (Normal tone) He may not think just like us, because you don\u2019t have<\/i> to think just like us to be with us. But you gotta think<\/i>!<\/p>\n

Crowd reaction.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So, if everybody gettin\u2019 ready to go to heaven like these churches say, they\u2019d all be naked, instead of having Cadillacs. Or at least<\/i> they\u2019d have some rags, something that they don\u2019t need, wouldn\u2019t want to put much money in. If you\u2019re gettin\u2019 ready to take a trip, you wouldn\u2019t want to invest in something you couldn\u2019t take across an ocean. You sure wouldn\u2019t buy a great big electrical refrigerator, if you were going to the jungle, where there was no electricity. You wouldn\u2019t get a Cadillac if you were going to take a trip where there was no uh, Standard Oil, thank God. No Standard Oil or Union Oil or Atlantic Oil in heaven<\/i>, thank God. In this socialist paradise I\u2019m<\/i> working for, there\u2019ll be no such thing as that.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So, you\u2014 you\u2014\u00a0if you\u2019re going to go to heaven, gonna walk around on streets of gold and have wings, what you need with Cadillacs? All you need is just get your\u2014 just get your (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman<\/b> in crowd give answer, unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You were listening<\/i> that time, so I didn\u2019t have to say it. (Pause) Yes, just clean yourself. Free.<\/p>\n

Single voice: <\/b>Amen. Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (In full throat) Down to the skinny skin skin. So there nothing left hanging<\/i> off. No flesh<\/i>. Just free<\/i> yourself. That\u2019s what you do if you gettin\u2019 ready to go to heaven. They don\u2019t look like they\u2019re free. Those dirty, lying, sons a hell<\/i>. Those evil shyster preachers.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> If you\u2019ll know what I\u2019m talking about when you get through tonight, you\u2019ll know whether you want to come back or not, I\u2019ll tell you that. (Pause) Dirty lowdown sons a hell. Hebrew called them sonsabitches. Jesus called them sonsabitches, that\u2019s what he called them. Said you\u2019re sonsabitches. (Pause) Said you\u2019re sonsabitches<\/i>, that\u2019s what you are. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Evil way.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Why do you listen to that stuff? Now either get with it. Now I\u2019m\u2014 I\u2019ll tell you. Ninety-six hours here is long enough. If you don\u2019t know this is better than anything you been in, (low intense voice) hit the road.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You don\u2019t see that there\u2019s more care here \u2014 nobody asked you any meal ticket here, nobody coi\u2014 when you come in their homes, say, how much money you got? Nobody asked you whether you got a dime<\/i>. When I picked up older people all over this nation, I never said, how much money you got? Said, get on board, little children. We\u2019re not going to wait for heaven, we\u2019re going to go out in Redwood Valley and build<\/i> heaven, by God. (Pause) I didn\u2019t tell anybody wait<\/i> for heaven. Didn\u2019t tell them when they were in their misery, leave Mother Brown there languishing in want\u2014 with the old sores that were on her leg that wouldn\u2019t heal, I didn\u2019t say, Mother Brown, by and by. They\u2019ll always\u2014 the last parting note\u2014 the evangelist says, the last meeting, well, keep the faith, honey, we\u2019ll see you. If I don\u2019t meet you again on this<\/i> side, I\u2019ll meet you over on the other side. I got your money now, I\u2019m gonna hit the road, and you can go to hell, till we meet you over on the other side. (drags out last word) But Jim Jones<\/i> don\u2019t say, meet you over on the other side. He says, get off your ass, get on board, we\u2019re going to the Promised Land.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> That\u2019s the way it is. Come out and set you down, my people\u2014 my people\u2014 why do they do that, because they got such a nasty mouth God like I am. Why do<\/i> you think they feed you? They didn\u2019t make a practice of feeding people till I came along. They didn\u2019t make it a practice of taking the people and not asking them how much money they had. They didn\u2019t make it a practice of adopting babies and taking no thought for their race. Some of you forget<\/i> that, too, \u2018cause you, a lot of you were racistic \u2018fore\u2014 afore you met me. You did see color<\/i>, till you met your God on earth.<\/p>\n

Man<\/b> shouts from crowd, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Yes. (Pause) He was racistic when he was\u2014 before, when he was in Pentecost, now he\u2019s one of my best troopers. Fought me<\/i> in Pentecost, this minister over here, fought<\/i> me when he had the Holy Ghost, what you call the Holy Ghost, fought<\/i> me when he spoke in tongues, fought me \u2014\u00a0Jack Beam.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Woman<\/b> voice in crowd, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now, you\u2019ll want to hear what I\u2019m saying. When he had that Pentecostal<\/i> ghost, he was mean. This man was mean. He tried to go along with that bunch of thugs<\/i> that was throwing me out of a church. And they literally did that. Locked the doors and everything else. Said you (unintelligible\u2014 probably supposed to be, “can\u2019t bring”) any blacks here. And he wouldn\u2019t come, when he was Pentecost. He wouldn\u2019t come. He stood up with that blo\u2014 bunch of bored thugs<\/i>, when he was Pentecost. He had to lose<\/i> that old religion to be a loving man. He wasn\u2019t a loving man until he lost that old religion.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He had to lose<\/i> it.<\/p>\n

Scattered voices: <\/b>That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Of course it\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Can you say Amen (unintelligible conclusion)?<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off for undetermined amount of time.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014(unintelligible when tape goes back on) Sister [Marceline] LeTourneau can say Amen, but I know how mean you were.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I know how mean that dirty board was down in Laurel Street. I know how mean<\/i> they were. I saw \u2018em beat<\/i> on one another.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I saw ol\u2019, uh, (Unintelligible name\u2014 sounds like “Daccus”) hit Price, and I saw that other old rascal\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman<\/b> called unintelligible name from crowd.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> No.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Woodward.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Woodward. Woodard, get in a fight, and we held one, one had to hold the other. They had the Holy<\/i> Ghost. (Pause) I\u2019ve seen all those old church people, the ones that\u2019ll\u2014 the ones that made every woman in Indianapolis, and left them with children, and no money, no finances, no support, run off, took off with the money, (contemptuous tone) the worst bunch were those church people. The best Pentecostals did the dirtiest, meanest, low-downest tricks<\/i> of (draws out words) anybody I ever met.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Conversational) Now\u2014 I don\u2019t know why I said all of that. I musta<\/i> been trying to make a point, and I don\u2019t know why I keep trying to make points, \u2018cause most people like to believe lies. (Pause) They like to believe a lie and be damned, I guess. It\u2019s uh, comforting. There\u2019s some kind of comfort in it. Ah, I heard a word from one of our ladies that left in\u2014 (Pause) and Jewel<\/i> said, I think, Jewel said, came over to me\u2014 to me over the phone, she said, there isn\u2019t comfort<\/i> in your religion. And I thought, that\u2019s the truth. There\u2019s no comfort in this ministry, of having to be a son of God in the earth. There\u2019s no comfort in having to carry the world\u2019s weight on your<\/i> shoulders. There\u2019s no particular comfort<\/i> in knowing that you<\/i> gotta work out your salvation, that there\u2019s no heaven to fly to, there\u2019s only heaven if you build one. Heaven\u2019ll never come<\/i>, till you make it on earth. (Pause) Well\u2014<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Truth. No hiding place.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Quiet tones) I\u2014 I\u2014 So much nonsense. This Bible has been so<\/i> badly interpreted. You take it\u2014\u00a0you turn it anywhere you want to. I don\u2019t care where you want to interpret it \u2014 I didn\u2019t, uh\u2014\u00a0this is not supposed to be teaching night, but we got somebody that can be worthwhile to good, or they can not<\/i> be. They can go away mad or glad. I just opened it up here, just uh, just throwed it up to any place. Timothy. First Epistle [discussion follows for balance of address, even as other biblical references made]. “Paul<\/i>, an apostle” \u2014\u00a0let me see, let\u2019s see \u2014 “of Jesus Christ.” Now let\u2019s get this down, break it down to simple terms. “Paul, an apostle of Jesus, the Anointed”\u2014 if you want to be more exact, the Anointed for this particular time. It comes from a word meaning “Anointed Now”.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

Tape cuts into singing for two seconds, then back to this service.<\/span><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> \u2014Now.” That\u2019s 2000 years ago. “Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God, our<\/i> Savior and Lord, the Anointed Christ which is our hope. Christ is our hope.” He brought to them their hope of doing something on earth. “Under Timothy, my own son in the faith” \u2014\u00a0that\u2019s what we try to practice around here \u2014 people who are in the faith of, of what they had on Pentecost socialism, sharing. That\u2019s our sons. Not who\u2019s our blood tie, but who is one in the faith. “Timothy, my own son in the faith. Grace, mercy, peace from God, our Father, and Jesus Christ, our Good Shepherd.” Lord is Good Shepherd in the original. “As I besought thee to abide at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no<\/i> other doctrine.” Now what\u2019s doctrine? Look it up in the\u2014 And I\u2019m not\u2014 I haven\u2019t had any advanced study of this, but I know this much: doctrine is way of life. I\u2019m not going to take many verses, but any<\/i> number of these verses will support our life, teaching anything you pick in this Bible will support us more than what you\u2019ve been preaching. “No other doctrine, neither give heed to fables.” Fables are superstitious stories of the past<\/i>. Now, hear<\/i> this, brother. Fable<\/i> is a superstitious story<\/i> about a past<\/i>. A legend<\/i>, like, people walking on waters in the past, or coming from virgins, without a father, in the past, or multiplying bread instead of a multiplicity of spiritual law uh, a legend that comes out of it that is actual bread, or flying up in the sky. That\u2019s a fable<\/i>. You get what I\u2019m talking about. Fables<\/i>. “Neither give heed to fables and endless<\/i> genealogies.” (1 Timothy) (Pause) Jesus said, who he was born and where his heritage\u2014 What\u2019s the difference?<\/i> \u2014 you see, in other words, what Paul\u2019s saying. Trying to t<\/span>race who came from Melchezedek. Trying to trace where\u2014 who\u2019s Abraham\u2019s seed. Who is a Jew<\/i>? What is a Jew? Romans 1 tells you what a Jew is. Circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:29, “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> So true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> There no such thing as the natural Jew in this consciousness. The Jew is one that lives a, a lifestyle characteristic that Jesus taught and exercised on the day of Pentecost when he left the earth through his disciples. Now, he says, what does these fables do? He says, “they minister questions” \u2014 and they surely do \u2014 “rather that godly edifying, which is in faith, so do.” Find something that\u2019ll build godliness. What is God? Love. So find something that\u2019ll get people to love one another. (Voice rises) Don\u2019t talk about fables and genealogy. It\u2019s crap<\/i>. Fables about Noah in the ark (generally, Genesis, chapters 5 through 10)<\/span>, and Jonah in a whale (Jonah, chapters 1 and 2),<\/span> and a devil in the hell, pitching coal on a fire. That\u2019s a fable<\/i>, a stupid, dumb fable that nobody would believe. Herb Caen said today in his paper \u2014 I thought a good one \u2014 he said they said got some doctor from Ohio that\u2019s supposed to be the most electrifying preacher\u2014 the most electrifying speaker in the world today. He said, What\u2019s electrifying, the asses over there saying, that anyone who doesn\u2019t believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Personal Savior is going to hell and is stupid. I\u2019m ma\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m adding a phrase there, but th\u2014 this is\u2014 in other words, he\u2019s stupid\u2014 he said, what is electrifying about that? In 1972, is this astounding, that some idiot will get up and say, that it\u2014 it\u2014 that this is electrifying<\/i>, that unless (singsong voice) you accept Jesus Christ and the Virgin Birth, that you\u2019re going to hell and you\u2019re stupid. In other words, he said, He\u2019s stupid. He\u2019s certainly<\/i> not electrifying. That\u2019s stupid<\/i>, to be preaching that in 1972. I guess, some of you don\u2019t agree that he\u2019d look funny.<\/p>\n

More crowd reaction.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Now the end of the next verse \u2014\u00a0and I had no rehearsing of this at all, didn\u2019t even\u2014 we don\u2019t teach<\/i> on Tuesday night. Now the end of the commandment is what? The end of the commandment \u2014 oh you stupid fools, you jackasses <\/i>\u2014 look at you getting\u2014 now I got their attention, thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m trying<\/i> to keep from cussing. So when I\u2014 I\u2019m having a sense, if I look at you, somebody else looks at me. Then they listen. If that don\u2019t work, I will get my urinal out and see if that will work.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (High laughter) Hallelujah<\/i>. Kukamatanda. (speaks in tongues for several words). And if it\u2019s not (tongues), it\u2019s (slightly altered words), it\u2019s anyway, we gotta go. (High laughter). (Pause) Ah yes, my friend, and I\u2019m still shittin\u2019.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> (Unintelligible phrase) Getting\u2019 close.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Oh, I\u2019m gettin\u2019 close. You bet I\u2019m gettin\u2019 close. Movin\u2019 in. The heat is on. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019ll make your back door slam shut.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) Now the end of the commandment, all your stupid commandment, is charity<\/i>. All God wants from you is to be charitable<\/i>. And you stupid ass Pentecostals have never been charitable with anything but your hot air. All you been charitable with is your damn hot air. You never have been charitable with anything but your hot air. (Pause) You know it\u2019s true. (Pause) (Normal tone) Keep the restroom door open. (Pause) (Shouts) You shan\u2019t get away from my words, even if you would take a pee!<\/p>\n

Crowd reaction.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (High laughter) Aren\u2019t you glad!<\/i><\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) There\u2019s only one way to get away from the words of God Almighty, Honesty, Justice that I<\/i> am, the God of this nation, the only way to get away from me, is to get out from under the sound of my voice and out from under this roof and even then<\/i>, I will be there. You can make your beds in all your hells, and I\u2019ll be there. You can go to your imaginary heavens, and I will be there. There is no space vacant from my presence, for I am here, there, and everywhere. Socialism. God Almighty.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Cheers.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) Let not my words deceive you. Let my tongue<\/i>, that may be somewhat ill-styled, according to your imaginary legends, let it not delude<\/i> you from recognizing, that all you said God to be\u00a0(Romans 16:18, “For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”)<\/span>, and more, is addressing you in this atmosphere, right now. God Almighty. Socialism. (Normal tone) I need not go further. It goes on and says that, “Some of you have turned from this commandment of charity out of a pure or honest heart, and of good conscience and just pure faith, faith unfamed, and you\u2019re turned aside to every wind and wave of doctrine, designed to be teachers of the law, kept this.” Any<\/i> verse supports it. That\u2019s what they desire, they wanted to be a teacher<\/i>, they want to look like somebody, they want to be a big shot. “Designed to be the teachers<\/i> of the law, understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.” Now what\u2019s the use for law. What is the loose\u2014 use for rig\u2014 ri\u2014 rigid doctrines, rituals, commandments? There\u2019s only one use. Here is the use. Knowing this, that the law is not made for righteous man.<\/p>\n

One person laughs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) Law is not made for good folks. Good folks don\u2019t need God\u2019s myths, fables, laws, regula\u2014 I\u2019m saying a whole lot of truth, and some of you are not getting it\u2014<\/p>\n

Several members whoop.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Shouts) Good folks don\u2019t need God\u2019s commandments, laws, structure, religion. Good folks don\u2019t need it. Righteous man does not need religion. Righteous man does not need religion. Only ungodly, only unrighteous, only devils need religion. Religion is an opiate to those that are righteous. Religion is stench in the nostrils of those that are holy. Religion is hell to those that are godic. Religion is dirty to all those that are in the knowledge of truth. (Calm) “Designed to be teachers of the law.” Understanding neither nor what they say. But we know that the law is good if you use it only for one purpose<\/i>. For those that are not good<\/i>, use it to people that need<\/i> it. If somebody can\u2019t be good for good\u2019s sake, then scare hell out of them. (Preacher\u2019s shout) Put a whammy on them. Set up a rule. Establish a regulation. If they can\u2019t be righteous because they have evolved through the karma of enough reincarnations to know what holiness is, (voice calms) then put a law on their backside. Or their frontside. And tighten up the laws, and put the screws for however lowly they are\u2014 the lower they are? the narrower they are? the more sinlike they are? the more evil they are? the more laws you need. If they\u2019re evil, you gotta have a lot of rules. If they\u2019re bad, you gotta have a lot of doctrines. Gotta tell how many seraphims and cherubim can stand on the head of a pin. You gotta tell how many gates there are into the city. (Distracted) Now I want that brother to find out where in the hell he\u2019s going\u2014 and it better be a light-complected\u2014 I want to find out what he is doing here. If he is here to hear the truth, fine. If he isn\u2019t, get his ass on<\/i> the road right now. (Pause) Not wondering around here to, to locate ourselves. (Pause) Now I\u2019m back to where I was, speaking about the truth. Well, Mother LeTourneau, if you\u2019d leave too, you\u2014 you\u2019re evil, because, anyone who has righteous<\/i> faith\u2014 you see, you don\u2019t have to\u2014 I don\u2019t have to hear<\/i> what you\u2019re saying, I know<\/i> what you\u2019re saying. You\u2014 you\u2014 you see, if you have a knowledge, if you were\u2014\u00a0if you would leave<\/i>, it\u2019ll be because you need the law<\/i>. (Minister\u2019s cadence) If you left this atmosphere, and rejected it tonight, it\u2019d be because you\u2019re a sinner<\/i>. If you left, it\u2019d be because you are still in the old bondage of the old order. Because if you are lawless, then you don\u2019t like anybody to reflect against the law. You want doctrines preached, if you\u2019re lawless. But if you\u2019re righteous, nobody needs to tell you to know God. No one that needs to tell you to do good to your neighbor. No one has to say, know God, or to keep the commandments of God, for the laws and the commandments of God are written on the sta\u2014 inner most shrine of the heart. No matter in that hour of (unintelligible phrase\u2014 sounds like “son shift”) shall say, know God, for all<\/i> shall know him from the least to the greatest \u00a0(Hebrews 8:11, “And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”).<\/span> (Pause) (Slower) Only the lawless like church. Only the lawless like religion. Only those that are in part like some little instructions. But when you see the whole<\/i>, then you know it\u2019s all socialism. It\u2019s all equality. It\u2019s all harmony. It\u2019s all goodness. Then you don\u2019t need anymore. You have it, as far as religion is concerned. (Shouts) “Knowing that the law is not made for righteous man or good people, but for the lawless and disobedient. Disobedient. For the ungodly, and for sinner, for the unholy, profane, for the murderers of fathers, and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,” children killers, Vietnam destroyers, warmongers. That\u2019s who needs religion. (Pause) (Sneers) Good American Christians. “For whoremongers.” Now what\u2019s a whoremonger? Whoremonger never loves. He just uses. Jumps from one to another. For people that use<\/i> people. The only place in America that I\u2019ve ever found \u2014 and I\u2019m not happy with where we are \u2014 but it\u2019s the only place in America, that really, learning about loving. Every place else, every place in the damn world, it\u2019s like, I love an orange. And they take that orange and they squeeze it, and they squeeze it and they squeeze it, till there\u2019s no life left in the orange. And they throw the orange down. That\u2019s what religion is for, for you whoremongers that never could love. You, the great lovers that come in, say, I can have a woman a night, that\u2019s saying nothing about you but that you\u2019re a dirty old rotten whoremonger that could never love anybody. (Pause) And it\u2019s gotta be a woman every other night, too. Not the same woman. Not twice. \u2018Cause you might have to love then. (Pause) Can\u2019t have too much contact. Got to be very limited contact. Few minutes, off and on. Don\u2019t want to look in the eyes, don\u2019t want to hear her words, gotta be (claps hands) get out quick. That\u2019s what religion is for. (Calm, intense) Whore. Mongers. For them that defile themselves with mankind. “For men-stealers,” it come from the word meaning, those that steal the freedom, steal from people\u2019s freedom. Slavery. Take people into slavery. Come from a word that those that deal in slavery, those that keep people in second-class citizenship, those that make bonds, people out of, out of humankind, those that would take someone, and, because of their race, make them a slave. (Shouts) That\u2019s<\/i> who need religion. “Righteous people don\u2019t need the law. Knowing this, that the law is not made for righteous man, but for the lawless, disobedient, ungodly, sinners, profane murderers, manslayers, whoremongers, and those that defile themselves, because they can never give anything, but take. (Calm voice) The liars, the perjurers, and, if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.” Now what the heck has it been talking about? Not a thing about what you believe about hell, not a thing about what you believe about the supernatural, (Voice rises) not a thing about what you believe about God, it\u2019s been talking about character<\/i>. For four verses, (Claps hand) it\u2019s been talking about character<\/i>, and it says now, that any other person that is contrary to sound way of living, doctrine, needs this. If you don\u2019t, and if you\u2019ve got perfect love<\/i> (pause) don\u2019t need any of it. All the law in the Prophets is fulfilled in one saying: Love God, praise God, in a body, in a human being. He is the light that lighteth every man and woman (John 1:9, “That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.” See also, Matthew 5:14, John 3:19, John 8:12, John 9:5, John 11:9, and John 12:46).<\/span> If you love your neighbor, then you don\u2019t need any other of the crap, it\u2019s all gone going going going gone. The only contracts, when the house is paid for, you throw the contract away. That\u2019s what the Bible is. It\u2019s a contract, until you stupid<\/i> people learn how to love. And when you become the Word, son made flesh, you don\u2019t need a Bible, you could use the Bible for toilet paper with more effectiveness. Because you become<\/i> the hope of the world. You become a city, set on a hill, that cannot be c\u2014 be hid. You become the light of the world. <\/i>You become a living epistle, read and known to all men. (Off mike) I don\u2019t suppose a word\u2014 (fades out). (Back on) Good. Good. Everybody ought to hear this, uh, in this atmosphere, \u2018cause we got a lot of religious folks here that gather on Wednesday and Sunday. Lawless people. “According to the glorious gospel of the Blessed<\/i> God.” There\u2019s all kinds of gods. But Paul said the Blessed<\/i> God\u2014 you have a god in Nazarenedom that is a God of Hell, or Pentecostalism, it\u2019s a God of Hell. But he said, “According\u2014 I have been preaching according to the glorious gospel, the good news of the blessed<\/i> God, which was committed to my trust.” That\u2019s so good. And I\u2019d go on. And you give me any one of your verses, but I\u2019m not going to take any more time. Any<\/i> one of your Bibles lend itself to my<\/i> teaching, and you say, we don\u2019t know the Bible. You<\/i> don\u2019t know the Bible, that\u2019s your trouble.<\/p>\n

Scattered shouts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, in the\u2014 in the stead now, we\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0we\u2019ll move on. If you\u2019ve got\u2014 If you\u2019ve got your thoughts corrected \u2014 and I want\u2014 I wanted this to be made some of these holy people to set down and listen to this sometime, \u2018cause they always talkin\u2019 \u2018bout, we want to get more church<\/i>. We want to talk more about heaven,<\/i> we want to sing a little bit more about the spirit<\/i>, we want to hear a little bit more about the (hushed tone) supernatural. We like to hear some more of the mysteries, the fables, the legends. We want to hear the genealogies. And I say, you\u2019re lawless. You\u2019re disobedient. You\u2019re defilers. You\u2019re the murderers of men, women and children. You\u2019re the slaveholders (voice rises to shout). You the men-stealers<\/i>. You<\/i> that want to hear about God, when the world\u2019s hungry, you that want to hear about heaven, while the world is dying, you that want to hear about hell and a God \u2014 some old stupid God on a throne \u2014 you<\/i> that want to hear about all that, while the world is dying for a little bit of love, (voice reverts to hushed tone) I say that you are lawless. (voice rises to shout) But the righteous socialist man does not need the law. He does not need religion. He does not need genealogies. He does not need ritual. He needs no songs about a future heaven, for he\u2019ll take any sod and clod of dirt and make it his heaven. Give him a moment, and he\u2019ll turn all your hells into heaven. Just give him a moment, and he\u2019ll make a heaven out of all your hells that you religious people have created. I thank you.<\/p>\n

Man: <\/b>Thank you.<\/p>\n

Clamoring.<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> You talk about (unintelligible). You talk about truth. God has truly spoken (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Amen. Clamoring.<\/p>\n

Another man: <\/b>When the law is written upon the heart, there is no need for a written law.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (Quietly) True. True.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> The Lord has sent. Behold I shall make the way so plain, that though a man were a fool, he shall not ever end.<\/p>\n

Reaction.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> I love this place.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Even if they can\u2019t read.<\/p>\n

Another woman<\/b>, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Beautiful. Beautiful. That\u2019s what it is. When love is come, all they impart that tells you how to get to it when you got it, what do you need the description\u2014 if you\u2019ve got a gold mine, if you\u2019ve found the treasure, what do you need with (voice rises to shout) a map? If you found the treasure, if you found God, why are you still back there in Matthew, Mark, Luke and back there in Romans, or back there in Deuteronomy, or Nehemiah, why are you back there when God, the gold mine, has come in the might and the power of socialism in the midst of his people. Throw away your old written traditions. Throw them away. (voice comes back to normal) As far as your need for them in consciousness, use them to save people from the dirt and the debris and the murder of lawlessness that they\u2019re in. But for your own edification, never use them. Use them only to set others free. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Voices still clamor for several moments.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> This is like heaven to us.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> This is<\/i> heaven. (Pause) Almost.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> We feel<\/i> the love that takes us in. We feel<\/i> the love that counsels us and tells us we\u2019re on a\u2014 on a wrong road. We feel<\/i> the love that when you go out and make a mistake, no matter what<\/i> your mistake, they know who to call. Some of the authorities came after a rich rancher\u2019s son today. Who did they call? They called Jim Jones. Who do they call when their troubles come? So much is disgusting. They can\u2019t come, but they can call when they get into trouble. But they know who\u2019ll take on the system, when their courts picked them up. Mrs. Cleveland I\u2019m talking about today, big rancher down there, and she called right for Jim Jones when her son got in trouble. She can come in here just once in a while, (pause) she\u2019s just a little too white and a little too rich, until she gets in trouble. And we know\u2014 we know where heaven is. We don\u2019t want to hear\u2014 I want to tell you, we wouldn\u2019t even listen to your heaven if it wouldn\u2019t a saved good people like some of you that are still lost. We don\u2019t want to hear about it. It reeks us, it makes us sick, it\u2019s a stench in our nostrils. Heavens and angels with wings, the streets of gold, and tomorrow. You people live in Tomorrowland. You make me sick. I\u2019ve had too much Tomorrowland. Some of us have sweat blood to make it a Today, to make it today as the day of salvation. We sweat too much blood. And we shall not go back. Some say\u2014 some say, you emancipate them. You free<\/i> them of all. You just free<\/i> them. You make it so plain that you can\u2019t even keep them in\u2014 in\u2014 in tow<\/i> anymore. Very well. <\/i>(Pause) (Calm) Very well. I still choose to be honest. There is a danger, because some of you hear that the laws are for lawless people, so you decide, well, now I don\u2019t have anything to be afraid of. The fact is, if you are lawless, you still are an unhealthy creature to be thrown out on the environment. So you better stayll\u2014\u00a0still stay around somebody that knows how to keep you out of trouble. Because some of you\u2019ve got it in your head, but you haven\u2019t got it down to your (draws out word) fingers<\/i> when you\u2019re in a store, or you haven\u2019t got it down to your twat<\/i> when you\u2019re in the bed. (Pause) So until you know how to get it down to those extremities, you better stay around. There\u2019s somebody that can keep you out of trouble. So don\u2019t be too quick to say I\u2019m not\u2014 I\u2019m not lawless. \u2018Cause I got a good feeling there some of you still are. Because when you\u2019re truly socialist, don\u2019t talk to me (unintelligible word) about stealing \u2014 (mimicry) “I got the awfulest urge to steal anybody ever had” \u2014 I can do it well, too. Man, I could go into store and lift the store and they\u2019d never know what happen. \u2018Cause I know when somebody\u2019s thinking, when they\u2019re looking, what they\u2019re doing. (Pause) Don\u2019t tell me, because I\u2019ve had this gift for many a year. In those days of my childhood, I (draws out word) really made a go of it. Yes, I did. Until I was ten, 12, I knew, there wasn\u2019t a merchant I couldn\u2019t fool. I got stuff I didn\u2019t even know what it was for.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I walked out with a hydraulic pump<\/i> at ten years of age.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I wheeled it right out on a wheelbarrow, and they never even knew what went by them. Because I knew what he was doing on (unintelligible word), and I got this thing, what am I going to do with it? I dumped it in an alley. (Pause) And nobody<\/i> ever picked me up once, nobody got my fingerprints, nobody ever come near my dwelling. Nobody ever looked<\/i> for me. So what makes me not steal? I could steal<\/i>, and get by. I am too socialistic to take that chance that even a passerby would see me. I know the only Christ the world will see is me.<\/p>\n

Crowd: <\/b>Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> So, I\u2019m not gonna steal for that reason. (taps table) When I go to the counter \u2014 now I\u2019ll get to where some of you are, you\u2019re not all stealers \u2014 when I go to a counter, I don\u2019t speak nasty<\/i> to people, because I know the only Christ they\u2019re going to see is me. Oh, and I go and wait and meet somebody, I\u2019m kind<\/i>, even if they\u2019re mean \u2014 unless they\u2019re just reprobates, and there\u2019s nobody else around, I\u2019ve got a mission to do \u2014 but for the most part, I eat crap 24 hours a day. Operators are getting me on the phone, just mean. I gotta lotta phone work to do. And they\u2019ll get \u2018em on these lines, poor black people, and they\u2019ll mistreat them, \u2018cause they\u2014 they\u2014\u00a0they stereotype<\/i> an ignorant person or an uneducated person, just, they think, by the language or the accent, so they interpret that that person\u2019s ignorant or black. And I put up with more crap out of those people, but then I will try to win them by some kind of kindness, because I know, socialism\u2019s at stake. Brotherhood\u2019s at stake. I\u2014 I thank the operator, I say, you don\u2019t realize that this is a\u2014 this is a prominent denomination la da la da, I get in the\u2014 that this is a very wonderful member of this church, and we have these and that and the other type of person in our congregation. And I offer to be of assistance, I said, you\u2019ve been kind, even though I know it\u2019s been a drag on you. What is your operator number? More operators have been given praise letters by me, I suppose, than any human being on earth. And you know we do that all the time. An operator\u2019s kind, we get their supervisor, I\u2019ll call through at long distance exchange, I\u2019ll say, will you turn me over to your supervisor? When I\u2019ve got \u2018em \u2014 you gotta make a long distance call \u2014 when you got \u2018em, I\u2019ll say, please<\/i> give me your supervisor, I want to thank them. They\u2019ll over stay on to hear what you do. They stay right on there, listen to what you\u2019re saying to their supervisor. So here\u2019s brotherhood connected\u2014 everything<\/i> I do, I want to use it for socialism, \u2018cause I know the hope of the world is in me. You say, well, you\u2019re different. No, I\u2019m no different than you.<\/p>\n

Male in crowd:<\/b> That\u2019s right. That\u2019s a cop-out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I\u2019m just an example of what you should be. So every move you make, when you whiz down the road and throw out trash, when you speed around somebody and give them nasty treatment, you edge up\u2014\u00a0ah, edge up on somebody with your bright lights, you better think. You better think. I looked at some behavior the other day. We\u2019re so determined to know\u2014 make ourselves known. I saw a group of (stumbles over words) people, we wear distinctive hats. You know what I mean? They stereotype you. Distinctive hair. They dis\u2014 they\u2014\u00a0they stereotype you. Cutting up, carrying on the road, down the road they went. Where\u2019d I see it? I saw it up here. (Pause) That\u2019s nice, isn\u2019t it? It\u2019s good<\/i> to parade your blackness if you are upright. But if<\/i> I was not living upright, I would get down behind the seat these days. \u2018Cause some of us are struggling too hard to set mankind free. I wouldn\u2019t be parading my Afros, unless you have some African civilization underneath your hair. If you haven\u2019t got some of that great civilization that was lost in Africa, I\u2019d shave my head as bald as a peacock\u2019s (significant pause).<\/p>\n

Man in crowd:<\/b> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> (taps on podium) I would shave it. Now that\u2019s something for you to think about. Or anybody else. Young Turks with your rebels, white or whatever, and give your peace sign swinging around down the road, I\u2019d keep my peace sign to myself, just like I said over here in this house today. I said, I\u2019m tired. Some of you people from peace mission, I\u2019m tired of hearing “Peace<\/i>” when there ain\u2019t no peace. I didn\u2019t say it that way, but that\u2019s what it means. (Shouts) Peace don\u2019t mean a damn to me, unless you mean what you\u2019re saying. Come up to me, I said to you, I rather some of you sisters over there say “War,” \u2018cause you don\u2019t mean peace, you mean war. (Pause) So when you say peace, you\u2019re embracing what God is. God is love, justice, peace. (Normal tone) And when you say God\u2019s name, don\u2019t blaspheme. You taking his name in vain. So why are you up here cussin\u2019. You said “ass.” That\u2019s not cussin\u2019. When you (shouts) cuss<\/i> is when you say (quiet) “Peace” and you mean war. When you say, I bless you in Jesus\u2019 name, and you mean everything else but blessings. Then\u2019s<\/i> when you\u2019re taking the name of the Lord in vain. Don\u2019t you worry about that old fellow saying son-of-a-bitch. He hurt nobody<\/i> but his mother, and she might have been one. But when you say “Peace,” and there\u2019s no peace, you\u2019re reflecting on everything that\u2019s holy and everything that\u2019s sacred. (Dismissive tone) Well, I could go on all night, let\u2019s forget it. Let\u2019s go where we are. We\u2019ve got uh, not very much more time to go. (Pause) Now we had some swinging times, by the way, over in those houses, and we\u2019re gonna have continued swinging times. No compromise with ch\u2014 childish foolishness. I want it to be understood. If I won\u2019t tolerate it in older<\/i> people, I\u2019m not going to tolerate it in anybody else. I said there\u2019s no ordering around, no raising of voices, no unkindness, no talking behind anyone\u2019s back. I said, you\u2019re not being discussing these age homes about anyone else unless all are together and they\u2019re being moderated by Eva [Pugh] or myself or one of the staff. That\u2019s the way we want it everywhere. So people can feel<\/i> like they\u2019re not getting cut down every time they turn around. (Pause) Now if we got that through tonight, Tuesday night be worthwhile, \u2018cause you know that most of you still guilty of gossiping. Anybody never talked behind anybody\u2019s ba\u2014 uh, back, stand up. (Pause) Well, we\u2019re all guilty then, huh? Go on, who is next?<\/p>\n

(Voices off mike)<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Different occasion that tape cuts to. JJ on phone call? Others in room with him.<\/p>\n

Male: <\/b>\u2014ain\u2019t gone work for some reason, I\u2019m not\u2014 I\u2019m not getting anything over here. Darrell and David Golden. Come up please, and uh, let\u2019s see. (Voice comes through better) Like a fox.<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice unintelligible<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> And let\u2019s see, there another. What\u2019s the\u2014 what\u2019s the little child\u2019s name, is it\u2014 (unintelligible name). What\u2019s her name?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Marceline, why don\u2019t you\u2014 before I make this public, about uh, the uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Robert? Robert what? Robert Johnson also, Robert Johnson.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Okay. That\u2019s all right, he can go out. Why\u2014\u00a0why\u2014 before I make this public about (Pause) what has been said about the Mendocino State Hospital, why don\u2019t you boldly go up and talk to the administrator.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> Robert Johnson.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> You\u2019re in a position, I wonder if you could do that. (Pause) Just boldly ask him. I don\u2019t trust that man any further than I could throw<\/i> him, you know.<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice unintelligible<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, get it straighter<\/i>. I\u2019ve\u2014 I\u2019ve still got tomorrow night. I don\u2019t want to get into\u2014getting people running loose. (Pause) \u2018Cause Monday you were quoting to me that he said you know he was extending his plans, he was gonna have a new, new class of tech\u2014 that\u2019s what you told<\/i> me, I don\u2019t\u2014<\/p>\n

Man talking at same time, says: <\/b>No No (unint.) No, Robert, not you, not you. Robert\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/b>Robert? Robert?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Come on.<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> We want all the kids away.<\/p>\n

Another man:<\/b> Come up here, Roger. Stand up here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Well, I didn\u2019t hear that part. Well, just get it, and we\u2019ll go in there tomorrow night.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Robert? Come up here, son. Stand up, Robert, come on. Just like everybody else. Now Robert, come on, stand up.<\/p>\n

Other man talking, unintelligible.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Oh, where are all the other kids should be awake\u2014 awakened also, they shouldn\u2019t be anymore sleeping, none of the children sleeping.<\/p>\n

Unintelligible conversation and feedback<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> He says you got your speakers too close to each other, and that\u2019s what causing the trouble. You have to switch those speakers farther apart. (Pause) Let\u2019s go.<\/p>\n

Sounds of setting up.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I want to get it straighter. (Pause) Well, they\u2019ll ask two or three more. I want to do it, before I put it out on the floor.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/b> I want to say uh\u2014 I wanted to say for the benefit of uh, the rest of you that this would not have come up, uh, except in the you\u2014 in the children\u2019s meeting. Except for the gravity of the situ\u2014 of what has, has occurred. (Pause) (Struggles for words) \u2014remember that, it had been instructed that, generally, matters of children should be taken of among<\/i> the children, if possible. But then, before this Sunday, I believe it was before we went to Los Angeles. Now ah\u2014 this just preliminary to what uh, is the real<\/i> issue tonight. Ronnie Beikman and uh, Robert \u2014 what\u2019s his name? \u2014<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> Johnson.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Robert Johnson were back there under the tables with other kids, and they were exposing their privates, and uh, the (unintelligible).<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/b> David.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> David had encouraged them to urinate on the floor back there. Got uh, (struggles for words) Ronald to do it. Of course, we took the two of them in, in the restroom, counseled them rather severely, three<\/i> of us did, and counseled them severely, and as a matter of fact, uh, there was corporal punishment<\/i> im\u2014 imposed. Now, um, the\u2014 the David Golden denied vehemently introducing them to the idea. He, he finally made a few, few admissions. I finally get him to admit it, I said I don\u2019t want to take this to our, our pastor<\/i>, \u2018cause he\u2019d know whether he\u2019s telling the truth or not, I said, if you le\u2014 you level with us, we\u2019ll let you go this time. He said I did s\u2014\u00a0I did do it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> Say, Dave, now, tell me, honey-bun\u2014\u00a0nobody\u2019s\u2014 nobody\u2019s going to spank uh, on the subject, \u2018cause it\u2019s something I understand.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/b> Look\u2014\u00a0look up at Jim, boy. Everyone of you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/b> I do not uh, go through any more than understanding (tape cuts out)<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted April 1999<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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