{"id":63172,"date":"2015-03-03T23:07:15","date_gmt":"2015-03-03T23:07:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63172"},"modified":"2023-07-11T17:04:39","modified_gmt":"2023-07-12T00:04:39","slug":"annotated-transcript-q1018","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=63172","title":{"rendered":"Annotated Transcript Q1018"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><i><strong>(Editor&#8217;s note: <\/strong>This tape was transcribed by Nicole Bissett. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/i><\/p>\n<p>To return to the Tape Index, <a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28703\">click here<\/a>.\u00a0<br \/>\nTo return to the Annotated Sermons page,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=29177\">click here<\/a>.<br \/>\nTo read the Tape Summary, <a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=28009\">click here<\/a>. To read Tape Transcript,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=27304\">click here<\/a>.<br \/>\nListen to MP3 (<a href=\"http:\/\/www-rohan.sdsu.edu\/nas\/streaming\/dept\/scuastaf\/collections\/peoplestemple\/MP3\/Q1018a.mp3\">Pt. 1<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www-rohan.sdsu.edu\/nas\/streaming\/dept\/scuastaf\/collections\/peoplestemple\/MP3\/Q1018b.mp3\">Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> (conversational tone) This is <em>regression<\/em>, and when I finish, (Pause) I\u2019ll get myself <em>lost<\/em> here, if you\u2013 if I\u2013 if I were not careful, I\u2019d get <em>lost<\/em> from what I have to do. I gotta get three people\u2019s names off this list, they\u2019re still on here. Three people gonna be <em>dead<\/em>, if things aren\u2019t changed in this atmosphere. That\u2019s a hell of a load to carry. When you <em>know<\/em> that, and you carry that. then you would\u2013 you don\u2019t listen\u2013 no, you don\u2019t talk anymore about a loving deity out there. \u2018Cause I know who saves you. I know who brings you out of hospital. I know I didn\u2019t <em>put<\/em> you <em>in<\/em> the hospital, but I know damn well if you get out of it, I got you out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Now there is <em>nothing<\/em> in this universe except, like\u2013 l\u2013 we have first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade, and high school, and college, and Ph.D.s, well, on up in the other planets, there\u2019s a higher planets. They can not intrude here. Only I. I was the <em>greatest<\/em> on that planet. Only I could get down here. They can\u2019t do it. They can\u2019t make a contact or communicate to get into your body, to help you, and they have no way, uh\u2013 If they had it, they\u2019d do it. They have no way to bring all their knowledge t\u2013 here. If you raise in a mental consciousness, you can raise out. You could go out, and go on that plane. I could leave this body in ten or fifteen seconds. I could <em>leave<\/em> this body. In just a <em>will<\/em>, and I\u2019d be gone. I have to fight it hard, because it\u2019s easiest thing\u2013 Now you try very hard to stay awake, cause I\u2019m noticing <em>extremely<\/em> closely all of you that\u2019re sleeping. And when I make this kind of photostatic awareness\u2013 uh, tonight, (Clears throat) I don\u2019t think I\u2019ll <em>forget<\/em> it. And, even back there, you\u2019re not sitting comfortably enough back there with the\u2013 the diving board. I can still see your eyeballs there. (pause) You will get <em>out<\/em> of this earthbound state when you rise to the sensitivity of that next planet. You go on. How you got down here\u2013 uh, it sounds too much like the\u2013 you know, uh, Adam and Eve story or some damn thing. You\u2013 You\u2013 I don\u2019t want to get into it. You thought you were on a good mission, I guess. And you came here, and I came here to get you, and it\u2019s too limited a thing, and it\u2019s too, uh\u2013 it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a form of uh\u2013 uh, deviation, it can get us away from the fundamental of socialism, but it\u2019s a <em>fact,<\/em> and I know that down deep, intrinsically inside me, I had to come down here to <em>get<\/em> you folk. \u2018Cause you shouldna <em>come<\/em> to this damn place, I told you not to come anyway. But you did. And you got my ass in it because I love you. (pause) You were <em>all<\/em> in a better <em>place<\/em> than this. Well, for <em>nearly<\/em> all. (pause) But there is <em>no<\/em> thing out there that\u2019s got control over <em>all<\/em> these bodies. There\u2019s only about fifty million <em>inhabited<\/em> planets \u2013 fifty <em>million<\/em> \u2013 I\u2019m talkin\u2019 about fifty million inhabited planets that\u2019s got people on them of some sort or another. They don\u2019t look like you. And (Clears throat) some of them are not much higher than you, but uh, this is about as low as you can get. But there\u2019s much higher developments than this. But there no planet out there that\u2019s got dominion over <em>all<\/em> of these <em>forces<\/em> in life. And I think some people coming up with so\u2013 theories now that I\u2019ve said a long time ago, that lot of the stuff they got in the Bible was just contact with an outer world. But you won\u2019t get contact again, in that uh, mechanical contact, you won\u2019t be lucky enough to get it, because uh, (short laugh) the long time that it takes to <em>get<\/em> here. Some of the people, for instance, the Ark of the <em>Covenant<\/em> that uh, that uh, no doubt could have been the uh\u2013 just a\u2013 a <em>box<\/em> that people were sp\u2013 hearing from outer space. They could\u2019ve heard somebody <em>speaking<\/em> from outer space, because they <em>died<\/em> when they touched that box. Coulda been very much just a mechanical instrument of a highly devo\u2013 uh, developed civilization, and it kept people in their\u2013 in\u2013 under a kind of control. More likely, you\u2019re seeing those folk, uh, it took them probably to the closest inhabited star, it took them thirty-five thousand years to <em>get<\/em> here by time \u2013 our time \u2013 but time\u2019s relative, so they may be on their, only on their second day of flight back. And that\u2019s too damn complicated to go <em>into<\/em>, but uh, they haven\u2019t even got <em>home<\/em> yet, the people that was down here with the Ark of the Covenant. But they don\u2019t <em>age<\/em>, you don\u2019t <em>age<\/em> when you get out there, you know, you can be traveling two time\u2013 two\u2013 two days at the speed of light and get out there with certain forces uh\u2013 of nature that we don\u2019t understand, or <em>you<\/em> don\u2019t understand, and uh, they won\u2019t be <em>aging<\/em>, but they\u2019ve actually been traveling for several thousands of years, but they <em>still<\/em> are not home. So it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s a long time to <em>get<\/em> here from that nearest star, so you\u2019re gonna have to wait\u2019ll they get home, report on what happened from the Ark of the Covenant before they send somebody else back. (Slight laugh)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Slight laughter)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a big, big system. I don\u2019t know you\u2019re understanding what I\u2019m saying. You havin\u2019\u2013 you followin\u2019 what I\u2019m sayin\u2019 about this space travel?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Murmurs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019re not <em>aging<\/em> that rapidly, but they\u2019ve been travelin\u2019 for several thousands of years by <em>your<\/em> time, but it\u2019s not like that when they get out there a\u2013 away from the earth. The time span doesn\u2019t <em>seem<\/em> like that, maybe two or three <em>days<\/em> of time in their life of the aging. (Pauses, moves microphone) It\u2019s a big stu\u2013 a big subject. But it\u2019s too damn big to say there\u2019s a <em>loving<\/em> lil\u2013 little creature up there that sees all, knows all, and can do some about everything. Because if he <em>can<\/em>, he should <em>do<\/em> something about it. \u2018Cause there\u2019s a hell of a lot of things that need treatment. So uh, nobody\u2013 if he did\u2013 if he did exist, he\u2019s gone. He died. Got too much for him. He created too much. I saw one time, a mother cat had 21 kittens. She looked at \u2018em and died.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (laughs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> She did. She said, it\u2019s too much, it\u2019s too much. They was all tryin\u2019 to get\u2013 get at her, and I was just a lil\u2013 little\u2013 little fella, and she died. They said she had too many cats. I\u2013 I don\u2019t know, it\u2019s just vague in my mind whether I <em>saw<\/em> her die, but that\u2019s what happened, they brought her up, and said she <em>died<\/em> because she looked at the cats, she just looked at the cats and died. Well that\u2013 Maybe that\u2019s what happened to him, he created too much for himself, and he just died. I still got three people on the list, now I\u2019m tryin\u2019 to get \u2018em all off. (Pause) But <em>I\u2019m<\/em> saying that no one as loving as I could have created this universe.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (quietly affirms)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> And <em>I<\/em> don\u2019t think anybody as loving as most of <em>you<\/em> could\u2019ve done it, because you wouldn\u2019t have <em>done<\/em> it. Now some of you would, some of you get awfully lonely for people. I can see some of you just goin\u2019\u2013 I believe you\u2019d go stir crazy if you didn\u2019t have people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (murmurs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> I could spend about forty thousand years and\u2013 (Exhales) Well, I won\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want to make anybody frightened by my feeling. But some of you gotta have <em>people<\/em> someplace along, and there\u2019s some of you don\u2019t need people, you could go several years, you think\u2013 But some of you\u2019d make some folk, yeah, sure as hell, because you get too lonely. And maybe that\u2019s what he did. He <em>knew<\/em> better, but he got lonely. He was just too selfish. But it didn\u2019t happen that way. There wasn\u2019t any <em>being<\/em> that created this universe. It\u2019s a law of perpetual energy and change that uh\u2013 Nothing be served by going into it, but maybe one day I will, if we can ever get some of the nonsense out of the way.<\/p>\n<p>But don\u2019t confuse yourself by saying that a loving being could created all this suffering. And if as\u2013 as\u2013 as\u2013 sister, Professor [Edith] Roller said, if he <em>did<\/em>, why didn\u2019t he have enough intelligence to see what he was creating? If he turned it over to man, and man made such a <em>mess<\/em> of it, he should\u2019ve <em>known<\/em> that and not made man. Or to make a devil, who\u2019s supposed to have influenced man. It <em>all<\/em> goes back to the first cause. The <em>mistake<\/em>. The mistake. If you have babies, if you bring children into this world \u2013 you \u2013 if <em>you<\/em> bring children into this world, and they go wrong, it\u2019s your fault. (Pause) Yeah, it\u2019s your fault, \u2018cause you brought \u2018em here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (quiet response)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Now don\u2019t feel badly about that, \u2018cause some of you didn\u2019t <em>know<\/em> any better. You didn\u2019t have anybody to <em>teach<\/em> you. That\u2019s the very dilemma about me. Bringing natural <em>children<\/em>, I always had that dilemma, I knew, whatever you do, you bring \u2018em in, it\u2019s your fault. You say, well, I didn\u2019t cause my children to do what they did, but you <em>brought<\/em> them here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (responds quietly)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> So in that way, you\u2019re a little bit like <em>God<\/em>. So be <em>careful<\/em> before you bring folk around. \u2018Cause if they go wrong, you did it. \u2018Cause they couldn\u2019t\u2019ve done it, if you hadna <em>brought<\/em> \u2018em there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Quiet response)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Say, ol\u2019 love brought \u2018em here. Don\u2019t give me no shit now, honey, I know what brought \u2018em here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> I know some of you women wanted a\u2013 a baby. You said I wanted a baby when I did it. But most of the men wasn\u2019t thinkin\u2019 \u2018bout doin\u2019 nothin\u2019 but foolin\u2019 around. But even so, when you wanted a baby, did you want it for the <em>baby<\/em>, or for you? Did you ask the <em>baby<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (quietly responds)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> No, you wanted it for you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in<\/strong> <strong>Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You want something to hold, somethin\u2019 to <em>love<\/em> uh, somethin\u2019 to need you. \u2018Cause if you really wanted to <em>love<\/em> it, you\u2019da left it where it was. You know, if you want to <em>love<\/em> somethin\u2019, you don\u2019t create it in such pain. (Pause) But it\u2019s a little too heavy, and I think sometimes I get too heavy for folk, \u2018cause they want to keep on havin\u2019 babies. And then they get mad, they won\u2019t go out and say well, I\u2013 I just wanna be selfish and have a baby, they\u2013 they go out and say Father\u2019s an\u2013 this or that or the other. They have to tell a lie on Father, they have to tell some lie onto the church, rather than say <em>I<\/em> just wanted to have a baby, and I wanna be <em>selfish<\/em>. If you do, <em>I<\/em> won\u2019t fight with you. We\u2019ve had a whole lot of people done a lot worse things than have <em>babies<\/em>, so <em>I\u2019ll<\/em> let you have your baby, if that\u2019s what you want. But I\u2019m <em>tellin\u2019<\/em> you, it sure ain\u2019t the way to go. If we could possibly <em>adopt<\/em> babies, that\u2019s the way to\u2013 to go. The only we should bring children in\u2013 and it\u2019s a perfectly selfish thing <em>then<\/em>, maintaining a <em>group<\/em> to try to keep that group alive, for the greatest good the greatest number is to have more babies to more population to keep the <em>group<\/em> alive. A <em>survival<\/em> kind of tactic. I hope it never comes to that. (Pause) Now how many\u2013 There was a sister back there that asked, uh, wanted to say something, way back behind the pool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman:<\/strong> (barely audible) Ah, Father, I wanted to say, I raised my hand, I wanted to ask a question, I wanted you to clarify\u2013 (Unintelligible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> There\u2019s enough energy that I could uh\u2013 (pause) (slight chuckle) give you a glorified body, if people had the attention. I could\u2013 I can do that now, if people will give me enough faith. But people don\u2019t give me very much faith. Some of you <em>do<\/em>, but then some of you don\u2019t, and some folk don\u2019t hardly ever give me any faith at <em>all<\/em>. But I\u2019ve got a lot of creative potential, and my energy field\u2013 uh\u2013 I get my energy from your faith to do\u2013 I don\u2019t have to get uh, any faith from you to achieve <em>some<\/em> things, I achieve <em>some<\/em> things all <em>alone<\/em>. Other people, there\u2019s not a one to help me, not one. But there are <em>areas<\/em>\u2013 there are <em>areas<\/em> that we could <em>achieve<\/em>, such as no <em>dying<\/em>, if people would keep my teachings about <em>diet<\/em>. Hell, they won\u2019t do it. Eat too much, they won\u2019t eat the right things, they won\u2019t uh, follow my procedures. Simple thing like uh, one thing I\u2019ve said, a <em>key<\/em> to life, it came to me by the most astounding revelation was, to witness to twenty people a day with genuine love and concern about this truth. How many do it? (Pause) Twenty people a day, consistently, you\u2019ve done it every day. (Pause) No, so? See what I\u2019m saying? (Clears throat) It\u2019s not <em>important<\/em> enough, or someway we get busy, or we get carried away with our other responsibilities. But if everyone took me literally and followed me completely and one hundred percent <em>wholeheartedly<\/em>, we\u2019d see some more dramatic things than we\u2019ve seen, and we\u2019ve really seen some tremendous things.<\/p>\n<p>The fact that we function, we\u2019ve just got to quit it because (moves microphone) uh, people don\u2019t follow my teachings that close. I\u2019m drawing too much on <em>me<\/em>. I\u2019m not getting any <em>help<\/em>, I\u2019m drawing on <em>me<\/em>. But the fact that we go so much without sleep is a miracle in itself. On the roads, it\u2019s got to stop to some degree. We\u2019re\u2013 I\u2019ll get these meetings down, when I have the <em>full<\/em> intuitive release that I know the channel of which way I\u2019m to go. And I\u2019m in the\u2013 And I\u2019m in the probing stage. I\u2019m \u2018bout to make some <em>conclusions<\/em>. This night\u2019ll be a very <em>significant<\/em> night. It needs to be weighed by every leader. Even though it\u2019s <em>late<\/em>, and it\u2019s hard to test\u2013 test a thing out this late, but I\u2019m so directed to do so tonight.<\/p>\n<p>Anybody have any other question, because I\u2019ve got two names still here on this list. Quick question. Nothing else but a quick question, I don\u2019t want any\u2013 any comments or testimonies. So help me, Hannah, you got to learn when I ask for a question, I mean question, <em>not<\/em> a testimony, and when I want a testimony, (moves microphone) to be sure to give me <em>that<\/em>. Just give me exactly what I\u2019m asking for. I\u2019m not reflecting on any of you that standing, but so <em>often<\/em> I ask for a question, I get everything but a question. Yes, uh, Sister Shakeschneider, you had some thought.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Go ahead now, la\u2013 that\u2019s a good point. You felt enough for your mother. There nothin\u2019\u2013 you know, a lot of people don\u2019t even feel enough to get the message with their own <em>mother<\/em>. Now what\u2019d you say about your mother?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> I was only nine years old, but I know how she suffered, and she didn\u2019t get any love or help from\u2013 from upstairs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> No, it doesn\u2019t come from upstairs. Yes, any other question? Now you\u2019re not gonna have to change your belief to <em>be<\/em> here. \u2018Cause what is the\u2013 you say God is <em>love<\/em>, so if you believe in love, you can be here. You can have perfect <em>fellowship<\/em> with us. Said\u2013<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"> Jesus said, by this shall all men know that you\u2019re my disciples, \u2018cause you have <em>love<\/em> one for another, so you\u2019ve got no problem\u00a0(John 13:35, \u201cBy this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.\u201d).<\/span> Love, yes? Mm-hmm [Yes]?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>When I read your book, it seems that you\u2019re saying the same thing, but yet when I come here, it seems that you\u2019re saying something different. I don\u2019t understand. And I\u2013 I\u2019ve, you know, spoken to you, and uh, you know, you say, well, you know, the\u2013 the experiences that I\u2019ve had, you say, well, that was me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>You know, but\u2013 yet when I\u2013 I <em>read<\/em> the book, I\u2013 you know, I understand it, you know, according to the\u2013 you know, the way <em>I<\/em> understand it, and then when you talk, you know, it\u2019s di\u2013 to me, it\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 to me it sounds different. However, I ma\u2013 make this statement. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> (interrupts) Well this\u2013 the spoken words are a little higher consciousness on\u2013 on anything written. When I\u2019m speaking directly, it\u2019s a higher consciousness than something written. Written\u2019ll be in <em>parables<\/em>, but when I\u2019m speaking, if you ask me pretty clearly, you\u2019ll get it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Uh, on Sunday, the question, I don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t remember the lady, you know, that said it, but I got a lot from it, I have on my mind\u2013 I mean, I forget real fast, and uh, I don\u2019t remember it, uh, your answer\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>\u2013you said, well, let me do the preachin\u2019. That particular person that I\u2019m speaking about. I got a lot from, you know, what was said to you. Meantime I\u2019d like to ask\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> (interrupts) She was tryin\u2019 to make me God, I think, uh, too publicly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Uh, meantime, I\u2019d like to ask this: Uh\u2013 uh\u2013 I\u2013 Is there uh\u2013 you know, like sixtyfold and thirtyfold\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">That\u2019s thirtyfold, uh, sixtyfold, uh, sixty percent, thirty percent, a hundred percent? Uh, yeah, a hundred percent <em>love<\/em>, a hundred percent se\u2013 uh, sen\u2013 sensitivity? Yeah, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s <em>me<\/em>\u00a0(Matthew 13:8, \u201cBut other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.\u201d See also, Matthew 13:23; Matthew 19:29; Mark 4:8; Mark 4:20; Mark 10:30; and Luke 8:8)<\/span>. And then everybody else falls in some line down there, somewhere.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Well, I\u2013 that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to find out, where?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Well, uh\u2013 You want me to pull out a percentage for you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>No, not in that sense. I\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think so, and I wouldn\u2019t <em>want<\/em> to do so.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager:<\/strong> No, I mean, not to say that\u2013 in this (unintelligible under Jones) the other.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> It wouldn\u2019t be fair. Be a class system. (Pause) Go ahead.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Uh, there is, or is there such?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Is there is <em>what<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Uh, sixty percent, you know\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> <em>Yeah<\/em>. Sixty percent of somethin\u2019.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager:<\/strong> I mean, for instance\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> There\u2019s sixty percent. It would depend what you\u2019re <em>looking<\/em> for.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>For an example, uh, uh, in Los Angeles, when you called the gentleman out\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager:<\/strong> \u2013and uh, you dealt with him. Uh\u2013 As <em>I<\/em> understand it, I\u2019ve seen, you know, similar, and I think that\u2013 this is what I would call a <em>sixty<\/em> percent. Coming into this place, maybe I haven\u2019t reach the place, you know, that, uh, one hundred percent of perfection like you have, but I would, you know, call this a sixty percent or forty percent, is this true?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You said, based on calling out someone?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong><em>Your<\/em> mind, the mind, you know, we have the, you know, like, from what I understand, you have the mind of God, the perfect mind of God.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> I have a perfect uh, loving mind.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Well, per\u2013 mmm, loving mind. (Chuckles)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Loving mind. \u201cGod\u201d is a word that I\u2019d like to get away from, because it\u2019s something that has been <em>used<\/em> so much by the church age and it represents a false concept. Represents something <em>false<\/em>. God goes back to all this <em>notion<\/em> of somebody out there with uh, dominion over everything. (pause) <em>Love<\/em> is God. God is love, so love is God. So we ought to turn it just around. We\u2019ve said God is love, so let\u2019s just turn around and make love, God. I\u2019m <em>one<\/em> hundred percent loving. I\u2019m <em>one<\/em> hundred percent sensitive to get you to the only heaven there is, a planet out there. Or to bring it about <em>here<\/em>. So I\u2019m one hundred percent that which you <em>need<\/em> to develop. If you\u2019ll become as <em>sensitive<\/em> as I am, you\u2019ll go as <em>high<\/em> as you can go.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>If this is a state of mind, right?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> More than a state of mind, it\u2019s a state of feeling and love. It uh\u2013 Yes, it\u2019s <em>more<\/em> than mind power. The mind power comes because I\u2019m so loving. But the mind power isn\u2019t the\u2013 isn\u2019t the way you judge me. It\u2019s the <em>love<\/em> that\u2019s the hundred percent. I\u2019m one hundred percent love. (Pause) One hundred percent love. It\u2019s <em>not<\/em> because I got these gifts. Because I\u2019m loving, I happen to have some faculties, but that isn\u2019t\u2013 doesn\u2019t prove that I\u2019m a hun\u2013 one hundred percent, because I can heal the sick and raise the dead. I\u2019m the most <em>loving<\/em> person there is, unfortunately. Here\u2013 what\u2019s your trouble (unintelligible under teenager)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>(unintelligible lead-in) clear what I was asking about, but I\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Okay, well, go ahead, as\u2013 and ask, till you get clear.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Uh, the statement\u2013 what I was asking about, you know, the way you were dealing with, uh, the man in Los Angeles, you know, you\u2013 you were sending your mind\u2013 his mind was becoming your mind, uh, you know\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager:<\/strong> \u2013 and why?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, when I spoke through him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Yes. Well I say, you know, you don\u2019t have sixty percent of people, you know, maturing to this state. Or do you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Well, he didn\u2019t do a <em>thing<\/em>, I did it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Yes, surely. Surely.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You see, I\u2013 I sent my mind through him.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Right, I mean, I\u2013 this I understand.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> But don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t make an\u2013 a\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 the judgment of sixty percent wouldn\u2019t be based on whether he could do that. That\u2019s been a whole mistaken ballgame. We\u2019ve judged by the f\u2013 <em>gifts<\/em>, and you\u2019ve got to get the fruits.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a mixture, maybe. If a person that had a sixtyfold understanding might have some <em>talents<\/em>. He might have no talent to heal in that sense, or any talent to see the thoughts of someone. It\u2019s a state of love, love. And you could be very well, though you don\u2019t have any overt calling out, you could be in the 90 percent. There\u2019s a\u2013 a <em>lot<\/em> of love and concern in you. I wouldn\u2019t want to make any categories here, because then you got a <em>class<\/em> system. But there\u2019s some people here who think they\u2019re gifted to heal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Teenager: <\/strong>Mm-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Or gifted to\u2013 uh, to uh, prophesy, or to preach, and they\u2019re <em>ten<\/em> percent.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (affirms)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> They say they laid hands on somebody some time, and they got healed. Well, it was the faith of the <em>person<\/em> that got healed. They didn\u2019t even <em>do<\/em> it. Uh\u2013 So this thing that <em>I\u2019m<\/em> working for is a hundred percent, so\u2013 (Stumbles over words) to make it this, it\u2019s uh, are you\u2013 how much socialist are you? I\u2019m a hundred percent socialistic, a hundred percent caring, a hundred percent fatherly\u2013 Maybe that\u2019s a bad word, maybe it should be motherly. Don\u2019t want to be chauvinistic. But I\u2019m a hundred percent caring, a hundred percent loving, a hundred percent socialistic. Then we have to decide in each of our consciousness, how much are <em>we<\/em> socialist? Are we a hundred percent? You can\u2019t be me, because we only need one head in this tri\u2013 in this growth movement. We only need one leader at this stage, till we all come into a perfect society, then you don\u2019t need <em>any<\/em> leaders. But right now, don\u2019t try to be <em>me<\/em>, but don\u2019t think that I\u2019m so much higher \u2013 now, I\u2019m not talking to you, \u2018cause you\u2019re not trying to be me. Uh, I\u2013 I\u2019m not so much higher than you because of my <em>faculty<\/em>, because of my ability to raise the dead, that doesn\u2019t make me higher than you. Nor is my <em>love<\/em> that much higher than some of you. It\u2019s much more <em>sensitive<\/em> than <em>most<\/em>, though, to be\u2013 And I\u2019m probably being too humble. I don\u2019t see anybody that <em>feels<\/em> like I do.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> In\u2013 In a general sense, I don\u2019t\u2013 they don\u2019t\u2013 they\u2013 they do it on a <em>limited<\/em> basis, they do it on a sh\u2013 a short <em>term<\/em> basis, but on the <em>total<\/em>, in the total, they don\u2019t\u2013 they don\u2019t hold up. Maybe they <em>can\u2019t<\/em> hold up. Maybe my <em>body\u2019s<\/em> even able to take more than others. But my body suffers grossly. I got under the weight of somebody today, and my body was just\u2013 I felt their anxiety, what they\u2019d been through, what I coulda done that maybe would change some of it, and it\u2013 my body just got <em>wrenching<\/em> with pain. I didn\u2019t do a <em>thing<\/em> that uh, I consciously <em>knew<\/em>, uh, but what was <em>right<\/em>. But still, when you know you\u2019re responsible, and you affect people\u2019s lives, and then what you <em>do<\/em>\u2013 it\u2019s a hell of a thing! That\u2019s why most leaders can\u2019t be chan\u2013 uh, trusted, because they don\u2019t even <em>weigh<\/em> that. Most leaders never <em>worry<\/em> about how they affect people\u2019s lives, or <em>who\u2019s<\/em> in the palm of their hand, or what\u2013 the effect of one\u2013 a statement to one member of a family will have on a <em>whole<\/em> family. I weigh <em>all<\/em> that, <em>all<\/em> the time, till I wanna get <em>clear<\/em> away from it. I\u2019d like to <em>withdraw<\/em> from it entirely. It\u2019s so heavy. (More emphatic) It is so heavy.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 but uh, <em>don\u2019t<\/em> worry whether we understand the term \u201cGod\u201d or something. We understand a hundredfold, we are working towards one hundred percent <em>pure<\/em> giving of yourself for others. Socialism means you\u2019ve <em>lost<\/em> your life. You\u2019ve laid it down. In that way it correlates to the Christian concept you\u2019re crucified. You don\u2019t\u2013 longer want anything for yourself. I don\u2019t want a <em>thing<\/em> for myself. Not one damnedable thing. That\u2019s what I\u2013 I\u2019ve come to. All I can think now is in terms of <em>you<\/em>, and that becomes <em>overwhelming<\/em> to me. I almost want to be <em>obliviated<\/em>, uh, be completely destroyed, because I can\u2019t be <em>enough<\/em> for all of you. But I want <em>nothing<\/em> for me. I don\u2019t want food, anything, I drink this food, in this se\u2013 sequence, because it keeps my body in balance. I wouldn\u2019t eat a damn thing for me. The only way that sometimes I\u2019ll get into a food problem is\u2013 it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2013 it\u2013 it uh, keeps the mind from thinking. And some of you got the same problem. You\u2019re that sensitive. You press in to keep your mind from thinking. If I did it (Short laugh) to the degree that I feel, I\u2019d be\u2013 I\u2019d be Mr. Fats by Saturday, I would be, five\u2013 three hundred pounds in a month. Because food can get your mind off of what uh\u2013 My mind is just boondoggled, it\u2019s <em>overwhelmed<\/em> with all the things that I have, <em>all<\/em> the cares that I have. I\u2019d be a glutton for food and a glutton for drink and everything else, I suppose, in that sense, but I don\u2019t <em>want<\/em> drink, and I don\u2019t want food, and I don\u2019t want a bed, and I don\u2019t want, uh, sex for me, none of it. Still have those n\u2013 I still have the <em>need<\/em>, that doesn\u2019t mean you don\u2019t have the need, it means you don\u2019t want to fulfill those needs. It means you\u2019ve <em>conquered<\/em> those needs. The needs are there, but you\u2019ve conquered them. You don\u2019t let them guide you, you don\u2019t let them direct you. They don\u2019t lead you, you never get led around by your ass when you\u2019re a hundredfold.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (quietly affirms).<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a common language, somebody\u2019ll wake up and hear that, they\u2019ll understand it, your ass never leads you around. Your\u2013 you won\u2019t let it do that. Everything you\u2019ve got will be saving. Anything you\u2019ve got, you\u2019ll be using to save somebody. And that\u2019s got me in a lot of trouble around here. I could avoid a lot of trouble if I\u2019da said to women, that, ha-ha, you can turn me on, baby! I\u2019da had\u2013 I\u2019d avoid a <em>lot<\/em> of trouble. I would\u2019ve avoided some <em>treason<\/em> that I\u2019ve got. I would\u2019ve avoided some treason. All I ever had to say was, well, (short laugh) stay around here awhile, you may get\u2013 uh, I may get with you. Or you can\u2013 you might turn me on. But when I tell you there ain\u2019t a <em>damn<\/em> chance you turn me on, because I\u2019m too turned on to <em>you<\/em>\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (affirms)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> \u2013already. You can\u2019t turn me on. And I could <em>never<\/em> be turned on to the individual that <em>much<\/em> to get\u2013 lose side of the collective. But that gives me a lot of trouble, because some women <em>and<\/em> some men want to be turned on (quiet) special. (Normal tone) They want me to turn on to everybody, but they want to be turned on a little bit more special. (Pause) And I don\u2019t know how to do that anymore. I want to be turned on to all of you equally, I\u2019d like to be turned out. I\u2019d like the <em>light<\/em> to be on for everyone or for none. That\u2019s the feeling that I have. I want to love <em>everybody<\/em> the same. Now you can\u2019t <em>respect<\/em> everybody the same, but you can <em>love<\/em> everybody the same. You can\u2019t respect people who don\u2019t try, when they can. But I want to be so loving, I don\u2019t make easy judgments on who\u2019s trying even. I want to be <em>so<\/em> loving that I don\u2019t uh, (Clears throat) I don\u2019t quickly judge because if I quickly judge, I\u2019d quickly die. \u2018Cause I get too\u2013 I see too much. I <em>see<\/em> too much. (Pause) What is\u2013 what is the question?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Older man:<\/strong> I uh\u2013 I know how they uh, live and cooperate on eight different systems, in our polar [solar] system.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Marvelous.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Man:<\/strong> And I\u2019m ready to turn it over to you whenever you want it. I\u2019ve got it on tapes and I\u2019ve got it on the literature. I\u2019ve been\u2013 I\u2019ve been to a good many places, but I\u2019m not capable of getting\u2019 up and talkin\u2019 to all of you. (Unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You know how they cooperate on eight different systems uh\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Man:<\/strong> \u2013whenever you want it, I\u2019ll bring it in. Think I can give you the proof.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You bring it\u2013 (laughs) You bring it in, darlin\u2019.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Man:<\/strong> You just name me, whenever you want it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Thank you, that\u2019s sweet of you. That\u2019s sweet of you. (Pause) (Organ plays) I didn\u2019t take it, uh, didn\u2019t take any offense in it at all, over the weekend, you understand? (pause) Okay. No offense at all. (Pause) Try to get all of your offerings in maybe one Wednesday that we won\u2019t have a meeting and to\u2013 to get\u2013 take rest, as uh, I\u2019m at liberty to do so. I won\u2019t do that unless I have liberty to do so. But I cance\u2013 cancelled some meetings this week, and it\u2019s possible that I\u2019ll get a liberty to cancel something. Try to get your commitment and offerings in the first of the week, next couple, three weeks, even if you <em>send<\/em> it on down here by check. (Pause) They\u2019ve turned in the offering report, and I\u2019m <em>so<\/em> uh, reluctant to mention anything about it tonight, but I\u2019m caught between a\u2013\u00a0uh, a conflict. I\u2019m afraid <em>not<\/em> to. So I wonder\u2013 (Tape edit) might be in danger. (Tape edit) No Concord from coconut. But you better not get no public telephone and make a call to Concord. (Pause) Hear me? (Pause) I\u2019d <em>like<\/em> to stay until I get full awareness, but that\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll get into some other problems if I do, and that\u2019ll take care of the emergency, if you\u2019ll listen to it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> To Concord?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Hmm. (Pause) I\u2019d be interested in seeing your phone bill, if I can. Again, five dollars, who\u2019ll help us to save\u2013 (Tape edit) \u2013of some loved one JLM that uh, wanted to kill their companion, or their\u2013 their girlfriend, some time ago, maybe a year ago. (Pause) Wake up. I don\u2019t like this business to have to try to get protection at this hour. It\u2019s rough to get through to people at this hour. Do you hear what I\u2019m saying? (Pause) I wouldn\u2019t get a thing like that, they\u2019re not here. (Pause) Hmmm? (Pause) I\u2019ll move onto another thing for just a moment, but I\u2019m asking you one more time\u2013 (Pause) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Malone\u2013 Malone. Malone. Who is Malone?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> What is it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> All right, hands. You have anyone, any loved one born in June?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> What?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> All right, (clears throat) now do you uh\u2013 (Pause) Do you know someone who works for Standard Oil, or has worked for Standard Oil? Now, do you know anything about someone who\u2013 any loved one, JL, what\u2019d I say? JLM.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> All right. Did he want to kill, or attempt to kill, someone, a year ago? Got drunk.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes]. (Pause) Well, yeah, it\u2019s been a year ago. About so, anyway, hands clasped. (Tape edit) Here in the abdominal area. Right in here. All right, put the\u2013 put the\u2013 take the\u2013 (Pause) (Tape edit) (tape distortion) \u2013we\u2019ve got, uh, I <em>think<\/em>, we\u2019re safe now. That is the beginning of uh, something quite serious, the nature of a <em>heart<\/em>, that lingering feeling that you\u2019ve got there. But we\u2019re gonna get a release from that now. Keep the cloth\u2013 well, he\u2019ll tell you. Hands clasped.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped, please. (Tape edit) (tape distortion) \u2013feel release, now? All right, you\u2019re safe.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause) (organ music plays quietly)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> And your <em>son\u2019s<\/em> life has been saved in a matter of the next few hours.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Applause)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Bless you, stand up. (Sings without accompaniment) It ain\u2019t necessarily so, mmm\u2013 (Talks) You start, hon. (Organ plays) (Sings) It ain\u2019t necessarily so. (Talks) I think it\u2019s a little too high, you know? You know? You know? Yeah? (Sings) It ain\u2019t necessarily (tape edit)\u00a0 Because if a man <em>lived<\/em> nine hundred years, no woman would want him. She wouldn\u2019t give in to him. That\u2019s what he\u2019s singing. But it\u2019s <em>important<\/em>, it\u2019s a strange kind of patchwork I have to deal with. I don\u2019t claim to be the creator, but I\u2019m a savior. And I take the strange variables of human life, and make something out of the crazy quilt, that saves hundreds of lives. Sing it one more time. (Tape edit) \u2013in public meetings (Pause) (sings, then stops) Tonight I\u2019m led, it\u2019s <em>me<\/em> that\u2019s being led to ask you these questions. You\u2019re not\u2013 you\u2019re not <em>binding<\/em> my hand. I want your opinion. I\u2019m not saying what I will or will <em>not<\/em> do. I always follow what uh, my highest intuition tells me to do, but I have a feeling to ask you tonight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Male in congregation:<\/strong> I don\u2019t feel like we can explain that to you, I think you should be led by\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> (interrupts) I\u2013 I\u2019m feel <em>led<\/em> to ask you this tonight. I would understand that ordinarily you\u2019d be very <em>right<\/em>, but I feel led to ask. You couldn\u2019t explain what I should do, no, that\u2019s true. But I don\u2019t want anyone to curtail this vote. This vote is very <em>important<\/em>, maybe not in the terms of what I <em>do<\/em> as much as what\u2013 how people come up. I\u2019m looking for\u2013 To be frank, I\u2019m looking for <em>five<\/em> people to see how they vote, and I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m doing that. I\u2019m looking for five people to see how they vote on these various <em>questions<\/em>. And it has <em>nothing<\/em> to do with them, in the terms of judging them. It\u2019s a <em>pattern<\/em> I\u2019ve got to get. Again I want to ask the question again: how many believe that I should uh, withhold (Clears throat) the truth that I know about politics in these public healing meetings. (Pause, organ plays in the background) How many believe that I\u2013 Now, don\u2019t sit down, you may lose your ass.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation: <\/strong>(Faint laughter)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause if I don\u2019t see it tonight\u2013 This is a very strange night. Now, how many believe that I should withhold what I know about the non-existence of a supreme being?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want a word, I don\u2019t want a word, vo\u2013 vo\u2013 vo\u2013 vocal voice. I want to see <em>hands<\/em> so I can identify. (Pause) How many believe that I should not uh, (Pause) preach about the errors of the Bible in these public meetings? (Pause) Go on, the <em>public<\/em> meetings, I\u2019m not talkin\u2019 \u2018bout tonight, family night, I\u2019m talkin\u2019 \u2018bout public meetings. (Pause) How many did this because you\u2019re concerned that something might happen to me? (Pause) I\u2019ll be very, very honest, I\u2019m lacking here somethin\u2019, somethin\u2019 not fittin\u2019. How many are doing it because you\u2019re just concerned about the persecution it brings to the family in general, (Pause) rather than me, the persecution it brings to the family in general. This vote is very important. Somebody doesn\u2019t fit\u2013 (Pause) You\u2019re not gonna be thrown out of this church for a vote tonight. It has nothing to <em>do<\/em> with your feelings, what I\u2019m trying to do. Again I\u2019ll ask uh, how many want me to change some of these things for the sake of <em>me<\/em>, just me? (Pause) And how many want it for the sake of the\u2013 of the family?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Man in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> What is it?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Man in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the family, uh, (Stumbles over words) the persecution that I might get? The first question was, how many don\u2019t want\u2013 want me to change these preaching approaches for the sake of <em>me<\/em>, only?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s all right, but I want you to know what your <em>motive<\/em> is here. It\u2019s <em>important<\/em>, I\u2019ve gotta\u2013 all I want you to be is\u2013 honesty. Five people gotta be very honest with themself on these questions tonight. Can I make it clear? It\u2019s a\u2013 It\u2019s just\u2013 just a change, just an introspective thought, will change the di\u2013 will make the difference between the turn of a steering wheel. Hell, you don\u2019t know where I\u2019m at. You couldn\u2019t <em>possibly<\/em> know where I\u2019m at. It\u2019s too <em>damned<\/em> awesome. I wouldn\u2019t even <em>try<\/em> to get it across, because that\u2019s not the most important part of my evolution, whether we live or die, or whether we avoid accidents, it\u2019s whether we build socialism. But to <em>you,<\/em> it\u2019s important. You don\u2019t want accidents. Again, I ask the question, how many <em>honestly<\/em> want me to change some of these things that I mentioned \u2013 I don\u2019t want to go through it again about the Bible and God \u2013 to hold back some of the things I know in public healing meetings. You want me to do it because of me. (Pause) How many \u2013 honestly \u2013 say it, (Clears throat) not just for me only, but for <em>you<\/em>, or for the group, for the fa\u2013 for the family?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Oh yes, you can. Tonight you better. Somebody\u2019s ass is at stake. (chuckles) So we better go back <em>over<\/em> this until you do. Even if it <em>is<\/em> seventeen minutes of three. Again, I make the question in all seriousness: how many want me to not speak so bravely and forwardly about the Bible and God, and uh, me being the only God there is, for <em>me<\/em> to avoid persecution for me, or death for me, or sickness for me only? (Pause) Good, be honest, you\u2019re not gonna be judged by this, I\u2019m not at all interested in who voted how, I want to see that those <em>five<\/em> did the introspection that they\u2019re supposed to, that did the s\u2013 searching out. How many are concerned about \u2013 not only me \u2013 but the group, the family, <em>yourself<\/em>? (Pause) I mean, you want to avoid persecutions for yourself, the family, the group, not just me alone. (Pause) That\u2019s good, that\u2019s good. (Claps hands once) That\u2019s good. Hmm? Well I know some of you\u2019d take it and some of you will\u2013 just trying to be very <em>honest<\/em> with you, (Clears throat) of\u2013 of a hyper\u2013 uh, sigmomonometer, uh, hypertension, a blood pressure apparatus here? Any one of the nurses?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Well, would you get it? (Pause) (Clears throat) Hmm? And J\u2013 Joyce [likely Touchette]? (Tape edit) Would you go to the uh, office? (Tape edit) \u2013our vote, and it\u2019s to be taken seriously. You know that we\u2019d all have to cooperate with a <em>lot<\/em> of different things. You\u2019d have to learn\u2013 well (sighs) that\u2013 that is not\u2013 was not the purpose of it. Tonight we won\u2019t discuss that. (Pause) That means, leave me do the preaching, whatever\u2013 whatever stand I take, let me do the preaching. Okay?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You do the loving of your fellow man, and you give a lot of encouragement in song, and you testify to my healings, \u2018cause there\u2019s no healer on earth like me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019ll find his blood pressure very bad, but then it\u2019ll get straightened out. It\u2019ll get straightened out here tonight.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (murmurs, words of thanks)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped again, draw yourself close to your neighbor. Anyone that can needs to\u2013 feels too sleepy to get behind the wheel, I absolutely <em>insist<\/em> \u2013 I don\u2019t ask, I <em>demand<\/em> \u2013 that you uh, lay down here somewhere or lay in our houses somewhere to sleep. All right? I had to take a risk in one area, to get safety in another. That\u2019s the <em>toughness<\/em> of being who I am. It\u2019s the <em>horror<\/em> of being who I am. It\u2019s the damn tightrope that I walk all the time. And I wish s\u2013 <em>anybody<\/em> had it, but I love you <em>all<\/em> too much to give it to you. Yes.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Hmm? (Pause) Mm-hmm [yes], can anybody drive for her that doesn\u2019t have to be to work at seven am, San Francisco? She\u2019s a registered nurse that\u2019s gotta be at work at seven o\u2019clock? Who can manage it that\u2019s not so sleepy?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Voice in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> You could trade off and on with her. That\u2019s sweet of you. I think you could handle it. That\u2019d be better. Anybody else that has any nervousness about driving or any concern about your state of rest, don\u2019t hesitate. I\u2019m your <em>father<\/em>, and I want to be your keeper, so damn much. (Pause) Don\u2019t bother about the cussing, the cussing will probably leave just as quickly as it came, when it serves its purpose. You shouldn\u2019t be <em>bothered<\/em> about it. By\u2013 by whose authority was anyone ever told not to cuss?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, you see, by <em>whose<\/em> authority? Whoever told you that a savior couldn\u2019t do what he felt to do? Yes?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Anyone else can go with her. Okay son, you\u2013 you\u2013 you help her, will you? My dear brothers and sisters. (Sings) Closer, closer\u2013 (Speaks) No unnecessary questions, I don\u2019t want to hold up the San Francisco bus any further than I have to. What a heckish, heckish night. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> Trial tomorrow in Pittsburg\u2013 (unintelligible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0 Trial tomorrow, Pittsburg, eleven o\u2019clock. What court?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> What? Louis Jordan [phonetic], what a\u2013 what court, uh\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong>Woman in congregation:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Pittsburg, what is it, Jane?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Congregation:<\/strong> (Stirs)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jones:<\/strong> Take care of that on the bus? Okay. How many\u2019ll be here Friday night? It\u2019s important, I mean, in San Francisco with us. Benjamin Franklin. It\u2019s important. How many\u2019ll be going on with us to Los Angeles? Get close, assemble yourselves closely this week. Get around me close, whenever you can. (Pause) I love you. You may leave.<\/p>\n<p><strong>End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><b>Tape originally posted December 2009<\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Editor&#8217;s note: This tape was transcribed by Nicole Bissett. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.) To return to the Tape Index, click here.\u00a0 To return to the Annotated Sermons page,\u00a0click here. To read the Tape Summary, click here. To read Tape Transcript,\u00a0click here. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1, Pt. 2). 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