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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013of media objectivity. The myth of objectivity that surrounds the leading news media in the United States, it\u2019s one of the more powerful<\/em> fictitious in our society, mo\u2013 most powerful fiction in our society. USA, Babylon, where we got out.<\/p>\n

Remember, we have a guest, very powerful government official who likes us coming any time, to have things ready for their reception. I\u2019m carrying on with my work, and I had quite a night. Quite a night. A physical situation. But I\u2019m here and will be here to protect your interest.<\/p>\n

The leading organs of the media have paid a great deal of attention over the years to weaving their veil of objectivity. It is nearly as pervasive \u2013 covering, that is \u2013 a theme as the neutrality of the government itself, and for the ruling class, capitalist ruling class, it is nearly as important. Like every ruling class, our un\u2013 wo\u2013 ours understands USA. I keep saying \u201cours,\u201d but we are not USA any longer. As I started to say, like every ruling class, US also understands the necessity of ideological (Pause) control over the organs of information and persuasion that mold the political opinions of the masses, to keep them in despair, apathy, and robot in their mentality. It should come as no surprise, then, that many of the most respectable pillars of the commercial media enjoyed and (pause) s\u2013 still<\/em> maintain a close relationship with the CIA.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s why I want you to understand this, because of the CIA being involved in, not only this man that stepped forward [likely Joe Mazor], big businessman, couldn\u2019t take anymore, liked the appeal I gave him, and the press. The Chronicle<\/em> was so involved with the conspiracy that Katy Butler, a fine reporter, was told that she did not dare go or print a word that was said, or she would lose her job. That\u2019s how much censorship has come to United States. Only fascist, the last stage of monopoly capitalism, behave in that fashion, where they won\u2019t uh, even let the press print<\/em> any of the truth.<\/p>\n

What may surprise some is that such formal arrangements between the two institutions were deemed necessary. (Speaks off mike momentarily, too low) But with the exposure of those formal relations and the claim that they have been severed, let\u2019s not take our eyes off the informal<\/em> relations that still exist. CBS and the CIA do not need a written agreement to ensure network coverage of the news in the manner that so\u2013 serves the US white ruling capitalist interest. The profound (pause) oh, unity of interest that exist between the owners of the news media \u2013 by that, I mean television, radio, newspapers, that\u2019s what media means \u2013 and the dangerous\u2013 the managers, rather, of government need uh, not be written out explicit. No need for it. It\u2019s understood.<\/p>\n

That unity of interest was no\u2013 s\u2013 no more apparent than when The New York Times<\/em> suppressed publication of a article describing the impending Bay of Pigs some years ago, an invasion of the cruelest sort, entering the sovereign territory of the beautiful Cuban socialist nation, and they justified it on the grounds that it would endanger national security. The fact was, The New York Times<\/em> is supposed to be the most liberal<\/em> paper in USA, but they kept the people from knowing that their sons and daughters\u2019 lives were being risked in the Bay of Pigs.<\/p>\n

How many other articles, dangerous to their security, have been suppressed, and how many other advantageous to it have been fabricated? With every horror report \u2013 yes, every horror report from a Cambodian refugee, every Angolan\u2019s patrols tell\u2013 (Pause) Stand by for just a moment. I have to answer a question.<\/p>\n

(off mike, low voice)<\/p>\n

The most horrendous reports from a Cambodian refugee, seeking to get away from the Communist revolution that was betrayed by the nationalist elements of the Khmer Rouge. Every Angolian [Angolan] patriot\u2019s tall tale of anti-communist resistance. We should put these questions before the people.<\/p>\n

But the most sophisticated defenders of the liberal press will protest, stating that the very exposure of the press, by the press, proves that they suppress nothing. And yet they can only print what the government and the military-industrial complex wants printed. The news media \u2013 newspapers, radio, television \u2013 itself, report\u2013 reported on the relationship with the CIA, and what about Watergate and the Pentagon Papers? And what about what\u2019s happening to us this very minute? And what\u2019s happening with Huey Newton? How the CIA and their dirty tricks have never<\/em> changed. In fact, the papers are full<\/em> of CIA (pause) fascist mentality and fascist attitudes and bias in the news.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s examine, if you will\u2013 let\u2019s examine these arguments which on the surface may seem convincing. First, let us distinguish\u2013 distinguish between types of exposure. The type that appears most frequently, while often sensational<\/em>, is a limit\u2013 is as limited as possible.<\/p>\n

Now you better listen closely, because I may call an exam before Friday, and there\u2019s been a terrible drop-off, \u2018cept those that did excellent and some of them are not doing your job. You should keep up with the news, whether you take a test or not. Don\u2019t take advantage of the situation. You must be informed, or the plan I\u2019ve worked out for certain people, also for certain people that have high productive skills, supervisors can let me know of the things they do productively, like making a chair or a bucket, and that lovely lampshade last night made by Bruce, and uh, all those things that we saw. I don\u2019t know who made those beautiful<\/em> Mickey Mouse dolls, but our children will want\u2013 not want for toys<\/em>.<\/p>\n

All right. Now we continue with the news, because it\u2019s important<\/em> that you understand.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s examine again these arguments which on the su\u2013 surface the capitalists try to make convincing. First, let us distingur\u2013 distinguish between types of exposure. The type that appears most frequently, while often sensational, is as limited as possible, except for those who represent a threat<\/em>, by having a following like Jim Jones. They are limited to an individual, a particular exceptional case or situation. In exposing Bert Lance, for instance, the public remained largely ignorant of the web of power relations that allowed his indiscretions. However, that was not what concerned the US press. He<\/em> was just having unlimited power, and some other capitalists cut him down as they did, so that they<\/em> could get the same unlimited power. Likewise, the exposures around Watergate focused, as you know (Pause) mainly on the personality of its chief\u2013 its chief characters.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve been up all night, I had a very severe attack. It\u2019s a miracle that I survived. I must say, to take closest precautions of my foods, I don\u2019t think it was food, but I\u2013 I would prefer that when Joyce [Touchette] is doing it, or whoever, that nobody gets around my food. This has been one hell of a night of vomitous, and it may have been a heart attack, but my will brought me through. The medical person attending me thought it was a very severe heart attack. But I\u2019m on the ball, and continue to be on the ball, and all you who wish me dead, don\u2019t like me, I\u2019ll outlive you. Ha. Ha. Ha.<\/p>\n

Anyway, as I\u2019m saying. The exposures around Watergate focused mainly on the personality of its chief characters, Richard Nixon and his aides. As long as exposure is limited to individuals and not systematic corruption, the individuals are easily replaced. The system won\u2019t expose itself. What is really astonishing about the fascist system in USA, that\u2019s a last stance of capitalism before it goes into concentration camps<\/a> and extermination of socialist, minority, black, East Asian, East Indian, Chinese, Asiatics, in other words, people of color, and socialists. That the astonishing thing about the Watergate scandal is how little we truly<\/em> know about it. From the original break-in at Democratic Party headquarters, to the pardon of Nixon, much of the affair remains shrouded in mystery and would never<\/em> have been brought out in the first<\/em> place if socialist nations of the Warsaw Pact \u2013 pro-Soviet \u2013 had not revealed the corruption. They would\u2019ve covered it. They did not want an exposure. Even when the press conducts a comprehensive exposure, like publication of the Pentagon Papers, it is in keeping<\/em> with the time-tested policy of giving a little to save a lot. And such an exposure was possible only when a section of the ruling class itself opposed the war for its own reasons, that they were not making enough money from South Esia\u2013 Southeast Asia, and needed a turn to Africa. And by the way, we know the price of Dr. Daniel Ellsberg giving<\/em> those Pentagon Papers, the arrest and what he faces now, he\u2019s a great Pentagon expert that is facing a 15 jai\u2013 year jail term presently, and said tearfully, this great land, USA, will look nothing more than a wasteland and a desert. Every form of life will have\u2013 will die in USA. He suggested people would have to come this<\/em> way and other places. He said civilization would rebuild<\/em>, but not in USA. He\u2019d given up, and he\u2019s uh, infernal [eternal] optimist. So that oughta tell us something. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Even when the press conducts a comprehensive exposure, like I said, the publication of the Pentagon Papers, it is keeping\u2013 in keeping with a time-tested policy of giving a little to save a lot. I repeat that because I want you to get it. And such an exposure was possible only when a section of the fascist ruling class of capitalism that in\u2013 that is destroying USA, itself opposed the war for its own reasons, that the big military-industrial complex personnel and alliances did not have any more profit to be gained from Vietnam. The task of progressives is to take every limited exposure that the press provides and make it truly comprehensive. While it may expose an individual or even a policy, the press will never expose the system. They never revealed that the CIA are experimenting on welfare mothers and babies who are black and Indian, and experiment on them when there\u2019re institutions in every state, and it\u2019s now even upheld by federal Congress, a statute that is not even been appealed<\/em> to the Supreme Court. (Pause)<\/p>\n

So you must recognize how the system works. The task of progressives is that\u2013 wo\u2013 to take every limited exposure that the press provides and make it truly comprehensive. While it may expose an individual or even a policy, the press will never expose the system. Again, I have written down notes and I\u2019m giving you things I want you to remember and test for yourself.<\/p>\n

We uh, have such an infernal lack of political knowledge here, like the mother, who I love, Mrs. [Mary] Baldwin, worrying about her children. I\u2019m telling you, your children will apply to come here or wherever<\/em> we are, and I have told<\/em> you, I will bring them all. (Stumbles over words) Be no problem at all when we get our people here, or if we went to Soviet Union, it\u2019d be less of a problem. You wouldn\u2019t have to watch people who are not socialistically-inclined or sensitively-inclined. Of course<\/em>, I\u2019m not going to forget your loved ones. But I do<\/em> think it\u2019s high times that you regard other<\/em> members of this community as your loved ones also<\/em>, and regard that the\u2013 the\u2013 your dad and your mother has more love for you than any relative ever had<\/em>. And a lot of our other close staff and administrators. You\u2019ve got to recognize that relatives used<\/em> you most of your life<\/em>. You just didn\u2019t have the knowledge to see<\/em> it. So, uh\u2013 as former CIA agent Philip Agee, who by the way is being subpoenaed on some kind of a charge, states in closing his book-length expose of the CIA, the question is to pass (pause) defense of its system of exploitation. In particular, the incident should underscore the constant danger of USA\u2019s fascist, imperialist aggre\u2013 aggression (pause) in the\u2013 Stand by. (unintelligible word) another question. (moves mike)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013told the dirty work that was being done, that has turned them to socialism, for the most part, because they have all said, to the last woman and man, that the CIA does more torture, more horrible<\/em> things than the human mind could really comprehend. The que\u2013 key questions for us is to pass beyond the facts of the CIA\u2019s operation, to the reasons they were established, which will (has trouble pronouncing) inexorably lead to political questions. Perseva\u2013 Preservation of the property<\/em> relations \u2013 yes, always, USA puts property above human rights \u2013 and other institutions on which the rest of the interests of the wealthy, bloodthirsty vultures of the ruling class of monopoly capitalism have been draining all of our brothers, sisters in the Third World nations, and in particular, the great continent of Africa.<\/p>\n

I could understand no one<\/em> here that would not want to produce to their very<\/em> best ability so that we can send our youth to the land of our origins. I don\u2019t<\/em> understand that at all. You\u2019ve been brainwashed<\/em>. What in the hell did you<\/em> leave in United States? Nothing but your goddamn chains. You know where your future was going. If you have any brains, too many white people have said it, right on the radio and TV: genocide. They printed it. Ethnic wea\u2013 Eth\u2013 Ethnic weapons. Do you forget so easily? Dr. Richard Hammerschlag said that no one in the entire country thanked him except for Jim Jones and his followers. No one give a goddamn. Not the Uncle Toms and Aunt Janes that some of you still think care. Nobody give a goddamn, but he gave documentary proof, and now can\u2019t get a job, and in fact, took<\/em> a job in Scandinavia, in Sweden social democracy, because there was no way he could live, and he was an unsafe man wanted for revealing that he was doing actual food<\/em> chemical studies, where a piece of meat served in a black neighborhood, or a piece of candy would wipe out that black neighborhood, or would wipe out the Indian neighborhood. And that was years ago. They\u2019ve got a better one now. It\u2019s called the nigger bomb. They jokingly call it their nigger bomb.<\/a> It doesn\u2019t kill<\/em> any of their property, it doesn\u2019t destroy a piece of paper or a pen. But everybody can be murdered in the ghettoes they have built for us, then they can come in and take the property. That\u2019s what you ought to realize. Yes, everything is being done for the wealthy and privileged minority. This, not the CIA, is the critical issue. We need to recognize that the media uh\u2013 the newspapers are enemies of the people because they represent the ruling class. (Pause) Stand by for just a moment. (covers mike, voice too low)<\/p>\n

BBC. Smoking, people over 65. What\u2019s happening to them, if they\u2019ve been smoking for 25 years? They are surely to die with cancer, according to BBC studies. The whole British Commonwealth is trying to reduce the use and dependency upon tobacco.<\/p>\n

Radio Australia. Wide area of India is flooding. Delhi and\u2013 New Delhi and the Ganges and tributaries expected to rise. Suburbs flooded. Over one half million uh, look that they will die. Another half million is being evacuated. No way to tally the deaths. Thousands and thousands are dying. West Bengal villages, every house, all their furniture, everything, their babies, swept away in the floods.<\/p>\n

Then some of you\u2013 Attention? Then some of you have the audacity to think that USA is a great nation, when the only<\/em> people that are helping the Indians with this terrible loss is USSR, the Soviet Union. Also you<\/em> that hold on to your goddamn religious God shit, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. Why is it that those lovely people of color have to drownd [drown] every year? What kind of an excuse<\/em> can you give? Are they worse than we? Are we more deserved than they are? I think not. Only socialism brings order. And I\u2019m the only person that has a paranormal faculty that helps us get through, and that means certainly I do not like God. If He existed, he is not<\/em> a discriminator, he is worse than that. He\u2019s a criminal sadist.<\/p>\n

Summit at Camp David retreat. Talks may last up to ten days. USSR \u2013 Soviet Union, spiritual motherland, the avant garde, avant garde, as the Russians would say \u2013 accuses USA of using the talks to establish an extensive military power base to get rid of the unemployed soldiers that they\u2019re having to take out of Japan and the ones that uh\u2013 that were dislocated from Vietnam.<\/p>\n

BBC even is suspicious about US intentions in the Near East, and do<\/em> not feel that the US soldier is going to be willing to fight, even if it is a brown skin,. They\u2019re sure that they cannot send their troops into Zaire, according to BBC, because there\u2019re too many black people in these armor\u2013 the arms uh, related fields, the Navy, Marines, Na\u2013 uh, and naval units, that they are not going to be able to get them to fight an African war. So they\u2019re going to try to set up a new Vietnam in the Near East, so that they find an excuse to rob some of the oil that belongs to those poor people that USA capitalism has exploited for hu\u2013 hundreds of years, (Pause) or her European lackeys before.<\/p>\n

The Soviet Union accuses USA of using the talks to establish a base, as I said, from which they can take over the Near East. The Soviet Union assures the rest of the world that that will not be allowed to happen.<\/p>\n

Indicated intentions of [James] Callaghan, the British prime minister, are that the racist regime headed by Margaret Thatcher, that calls herself a Tory or a Conservative, will now win the next election, particularly due to the fact that the Liberal Party\u2019s head was conveniently framed and charged with crimes against children, homosexual crimes, and they know that the Liberal Party will move over to support the Conservatives, thus meaning that Margaret Thatcher, who said she would kick out to the sea and send back all people of color to wherever they came from. When asked, some people have been here for 200 years. Where would they go? She said, that\u2019s their problem. Because the white English culture just does not uh, know how or want<\/em> to know how to deal with black and Indian cultures. (Moves away from mike, voice too low)<\/p>\n

Bangkok visited by the\u2013 Thailand\u2019s Prime Minister [Kriangsak Chomanan]. Talks aimed at strengthening friendship.<\/p>\n

Japanese fishing association, Solomon Islands, will pay the Solomons for fish. Decided\u2013 They\u2019ve decided what is to be caught and where it will go, because USA has been infringing on their fishing rights, and Japan still has some determined independence. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Easy identification for cargo left in the area. [It] Has been announced by US Customs, that they\u2019re going to be looking into every ship, because of fear of the Weathermen and other radical elements coming into the United States, and they expect them anytime, because they\u2019ve received numerous instances of such an attack. Two members of the Red Brigade got, you know, as far as Boston, but they were apprehended by someone questioning their papers.<\/p>\n

Departments of Works will make detection much easier in reference to the shipments of arms. USA is also concerned that there are elements \u2013 pro-Soviet, Third World liberation (unintelligible word) \u2013 that are smuggling guns in so that the citizens will be able to fight. I\u2019m sure<\/em> you\u2019d like to do that, but they don\u2019t have a snowball\u2019s chance in hell. A rifle or a machine gun is no match for a neutron bomb.<\/p>\n

Forty men are killed, ten civilians, in Indonesia by the dictator that our CIA put in. Suharto. A dread, merciless dictator, who has murdered two million people with our tax dollars<\/em>, which ought to cause us agonizing<\/em> guilt, (stumbles over words) It upsets me every time I think of it. We ought to be out producing with all of our might and show how we care. Every day, it\u2019s something like this. They were tortured first, and then murdered, by Suharto, who was put into power when the CIA removed [Sukarno] their first<\/em> prime minister, prime minister, uh, the first to lead them in independence.<\/p>\n

NBC has come out with a fiery commentary that fireman and police are not to be allowed to go to jail\u2013 to allowed to strike, and they should go to jail, just like everyone else, because there are too many firemen and police striking across the nation. Maybe the police will realize for once, as they are pushed by the gun, like the gunslingers\u2013 the\u2013 the gun thugs against Harlan County. And be sure you ask to see that. The test will definitely include Harlan County<\/em>. \u2018Cause some of you people got race poison in your brain, and we are not concerned<\/em> about race. We\u2019re concerned about working class solidarity. Do you hear me? And no one could deny, after seeing Harlan County<\/em>, that it\u2019s not a black-white thing, it\u2019s the working class against the ruling capitalist class.<\/p>\n

Jimmy Carter going all out at Camp David. BBC said if he doesn\u2019t make it there, he is done. He will have no other political career in USA. Prime Minister [Menachem] Begin met with Carter last night and separately again just an hour ago. This has infuriated Egypt. Egypt will not give any information that will tell about what strategic weapons that she has or other Arab nations have. Carter must be a fool<\/em> to think that they\u2019re going to reveal that sort of thing. He said\u2013 Begin said Prime Minister [Anwar] Sadat, so it looks like it\u2019s a loser from the beginning. Sadat said Begin is a uh\u2013 only coming here to get a media blitz to try to recapture some of the loss of support of Jewish citizens in USA. He said I been had\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019ve been taken advantage of. And he said it\u2019s only a move by rightwing Begin of Israel to try to get the American public that\u2019s turning more and more against Jews \u2013 and we\u2019re hearing that every day on the news, too, that more and more Jews\u2019 businesses are being broken their windows, Jewish people are attacked in their own neighborhoods, because there\u2019s a strong revival of all the hates that USA was based on, when it killed<\/em> the Indians off to take the land and then killed the blacks off in cultivating it and building up their wealth.<\/p>\n

Desperation responsible for a Congressman [Daniel J.] Flood. Congressman Flood had been noted for liberal charges. He was one hundred percent in the progressive camp. Again. Three charges have come down against him, indictments. He\u2019s under investigation\u2013 he\u2019s been under investigation for months<\/em>. But the voters have confidence<\/em> in him at this point. It does not look that even though he faces going to jail, just like Congressman [Charles] Diggs, people are getting so accustomed to newspapers being liars, that actually I think in some<\/em> instances, you are made stronger and your support<\/em> is stronger when the goddamn fascist press attacks you. CBS railed and railed. Why is it with all this uh, smear that\u2019s been brought out, all these stories of his criminal activities, that the voters of Pennsylvania give him more votes this time than they did before. It\u2019s too bad we didn\u2019t have five years. Then we could\u2019ve done something, but it\u2019s too late. People will wake too late, because all the experts say that nuclear war is just a matter of months away from us.<\/p>\n

Dictator [Anastasio] Somoza of Nicaragua said strikes can stay\u2013 the strikers can stay out until they go broke. Eighty-five percent effective in the general strike. I mean everybody. Businessmen, doctors, lawyers, all the trade union movement, everybody. And Moscow has let him know that they will not<\/em> deal with a fascist dictatorship. That\u2019s one of the beauties about the Soviet Union. They\u2019re a principled people.<\/p>\n

After the US ambassador [Malcolm Toom, U.S. Ambassador to the Soviet Union] willingly gave up one of the chief uh, exponents of capitalism, high bigwig in International Harvester [Francis Jay Crawford]. They did not have to let him go. But as I told you, capitalists let capitalists down. They kill off their finks, just like this thing with Mike Cartmell.<\/p>\n

Someone uh, trying to get to him, and it\u2019s not us. They\u2019re trying to do him harm. He isn\u2019t of value<\/em> to them. He\u2019s\u2013 His usefulness<\/em> has obviously worn out. And that\u2019s why this shit is going on. But they\u2019ll never be able to connect us with killing, because we do not kill. We believe in peace and justice.<\/p>\n

Moscow trial now for Crawford is on. This big capitalist, the US Ambassador was ordered by the government to turn him over, because no one can come in to anyone\u2019s embassy and give a\u2013 uh, take someone out. Every embassy has sanctuary. That\u2019s why the Chinese should\u2019ve opened their doors in Chile. The Russians did. Sweden did. But China, again, following a very confusing<\/em> foreign policy, in spite of all the good she does domestically\u2013 uh, I shall never forget that cruel nightmare, when the Japane\u2013 when the Chinese slammed the doors in the face of those that were seeking refuge, and several of them were murdered in the streets right out in front of the Chinese emissary.<\/p>\n

[Kathleen Sullivan Alioto] The wife of former Mayor [Joseph] Alioto of San Francisco is uh, divorced now in Massachusetts, running for Senator on a progressive slate. But I\u2019d have to see that to believe (unintelligible word)\u2013 believe that she\u2019s progressive.<\/p>\n

King Hussein is eager but almost in despair about the likelihood of avoiding nuclear war.<\/p>\n

Palestine issue is the most important issue in the world, said the United Nations Secretary [Kurt] Waldheim.<\/p>\n

I think I\u2019ve given you enough for you to do some study of, uh, I can\u2019t give you all the news that you need. And we are certainly aware that (pause) you uh, have only such much time. We recognize that. I would like to mention this.<\/p>\n

The Grand Dragon of the Mississippi Knights of Ku Klux Klan is going to be in Houston in the fall in a convention (Pause) uh\u2013 uh, in a\u2013 in the convention of the International Woman\u2019s Year. IWY. (Pause) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

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\u2013 of hours, and we\u2019ve got to make it up, because our people might have to flee in a minute, and leave monies that we need so desperately, so desperately to protect this entire community. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Amerila\u2013 Maria Torres and Carlo Alberto Torres, federal arrest warrants have been issued for the arrest of the Puerto Rican activitists, Marie\u2013 Marie Haydee Ann Beltran Torres, in connection with an August 3 bombing of a New York City building. On the same day, a Chicago grand jury indicate\u2013 indicted her husband, Carlo Alberto Torres, 25, and activist Oswald [Oscar] Lopez Rivera\u2013 and an activist Oswald Lopez Rivera, 34, for conspiring to manufacture bombs, possession of dynamite, and other charges in correction\u2013 in connection with the FALN. According to the lying FBI, Carlo Alberto Torres \u2013 T-o-r-r-e-s \u2013 is the leader of the FALN, Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional, a clandestine secret organization demanding Puerto Rican independence and the release of five Puerto Rican nationalists jailed by the USA since the 1950s. The police say the FALN has taken credit for 60 bombings in the USA in the past three months.<\/p>\n

The interesting thing is that when these two young people were offered immunity if they would tell who all was in their cell, they refused, even though it meant that they can be sentenced to die. And then I hear people stand up here, young people griping about their problems or young people won\u2019t participate in lining us up. We are the best people, but some of them are seniors and a few of them are youth. And we have the best community, and we certainly<\/em> have more to be grateful for than any, but think of people like that. Though I am doing something along the line of helping the Puerto Ricans, you can be assured of that. Nonetheless, we ought to take concern about two people. People say they miss their life. What the fuck is your life, when people are being bled to death, being tortured in jails wherever capitalism is, openly having babies and old people experimented on by even US law now. What the fuck problem do you think you have? You\u2019ve got no pro\u2013 uh, you have no problem, and you should get a little humble. These are beautiful people. I\u2019ve seen pictures of them. Very handsome, young people. But they prefer to die with honor rather than to tell one thing about the liberation struggle of Puerto Rico, to get out from under capitalism. They want no part<\/em> of USA, much less, I would think, no mo\u2013 not less could be expected from any socialist. But I know some people here, that you are a coward, and you gotta overcome that. We\u2019ve got some of the most heroic people here, but some of you are so cowardly, you won\u2019t even take on your friends or your companions, when they\u2019re doing clearly wrong things. I do<\/em> hope that you\u2019ll wake up before it\u2019s too late for you, because too many young people like this have been willing to go to the gas chamber and to the gallows, or to be gassed to death. Too<\/em> many of them for us to be so self-centered, as some have shown themselves to be. And I\u2019m not speaking about last night, I\u2019m speaking about every night. I want these things taken care of, Council, because after Friday\u2019s test, we\u2019re going right into Russian, and I want everybody [to] do it. And on Saturday, we\u2019re going right into Russian, \u2018cause we\u2019re gonna learn that language. That will make a door for us that no other people have had.<\/p>\n

Much love. Much love to you all.<\/p>\n

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\u2013way of leaking things out. The letter-writing committee gonna have to be extremely listened to. You\u2019re going to have to listen to them, I\u2019m going to tell you, you\u2019re gonna write what they tell you to do, by God, you\u2019re gonna cooperate, \u2018cause we\u2019re on the verge of the best opportunity in the world. They\u2019d put us in a comparable climate to what we have here, and we\u2019d have all of our needs the rest of our lives, and we\u2019d be a model<\/em> for the whole world, and they want us together, and that\u2019s quite amazing. That shows they\u2019re not afraid of us, that they want us as an example. So please keep this to heart, and I do<\/em> damn well mean that everybody in their dormitories, every supervisor, every cottage person go over this with their people. They don\u2019t<\/em> talk about Soviet Russia, they don\u2019t<\/em> talk about any plans to go there, and they don\u2019t talk to [Joe] Mazor other than to say hi, and if you\u2019re asked how well do you like it here, I love it, I wouldn\u2019t be anyplace else. You better get that tape out and go over that son-of-a-bitch, on what you\u2019re to say to strangers, because we don\u2019t want to be fuckin\u2019 with a double agent. It\u2019s not probable that he is, but we have got to get certain goods down, and my damned attorney [Charles Garry] moves too slow. He moves like molasses. And I\u2019m gettin\u2019 somebody else if necessary, because he\u2019s gonna sign those damn affidavits before he ever steps inside this door. He\u2019s put it on tape \u2013 that\u2019s fine \u2013 but I want affidavits. We can use the tapes, it\u2019s already very helpful about all these people being CIA, but we want this crap on paper. Then we\u2019ll protect the man like we\u2019ve always protected any human being.<\/p>\n

But double agents have been known si\u2013 since time immemorial, since history began, so be careful of everything while he\u2019s here, what\u2019s on the blackboards, whe\u2013 uh, what\u2013 when he see\u2013 everybody\u2019ll have to be on guard for him. We\u2019ll point him out, you\u2019ll use the blackboards for education. But we want to be damn sure \u2013 damn sure \u2013 that we know what this man\u2019s up to. And we\u2019ll watch him like a hawk, and nobody better be wandering up to him, or settin\u2019 down like some of you, uh, bullheads have done and start chatterin\u2019 away. Damn it, I mean you will know<\/em> this man, and you better do what I\u2019m telling you, or all hell to pay.<\/p>\n

And this wonderful opportunity of going to Russia, I mean, I don\u2019t want anybody<\/em> to screw it up. They\u2019ll take us as an entire community \u2013 that\u2019s the way they\u2019re talking \u2013 if we want to go. We may not need to \u2013 we love our land \u2013 but by God, it sounds pretty good to me. And the fact that they want me and you to be a community is extraordinary. They said we\u2019d be a model to the world.<\/p>\n

Okay. I hate to be firm, but you have<\/em> to be firm with some people around here, \u2018cause you got wax in your damned ears. I mean, don\u2019t talk anything to that man, other than that you\u2019re happy here, you love it here, don\u2019t talk socialism, politics or anything else to that man. I\u2019ll tell you by the way I behave when it\u2019s safe for you to talk socialism. [If] I get Mark Lane alone, that\u2019s fine, the prominent author [Don Freed] uh, who\u2019s coming with him, to guard him. Uh, I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll make the difference, and you\u2019ll know<\/em> the difference, but when that other man is around\u2013 Everybody gots a\u2013 gets a picture, we\u2019ll try to get a picture\u2013 By the way, radio, I\u2019m going to ask the radio way\u2013 operator right here to send a picture of this sucker with<\/em> him, and send one of Mark Lane, so people can look<\/em> at that thing over and over and over, and not make a fool<\/em> of yourself.<\/p>\n

Now please take this to heart. One of the greatest blessings today, the Soviet Unions have a\u2013 has asked us to remain as a entire community, to do right here, and they\u2019ll help us get started. No matter how much we put in here, I may lose in the process. They just want us to keep this place in apple pie order, so there won\u2019t be any\u2013 any issue with uh, Guyana if we chose to, that we wouldn\u2019t be reflecting on Guyana, that we would say our\u2013 bid our fourwe\u2013 farewells in the proper attitude.<\/p>\n

So let us be sure that there\u2019s no talk about the Soviet Union, or damn your ass, you\u2019re gonna regret it. I love you, but there no sense in some of the diarrhea of the mouth that we got around here. You don\u2019t talk about that, period. You never tell anybody that we\u2019re pro-Soviet, or pro-Chinese, when they\u2013 even tomorrow, when these delegations come through here, and trampin\u2019 through here because there\u2019s such a model, they want to see. You talk about PNC and Forbes Burnham. Our party is the Peoples National Congress. And keep that testing up heavier at the dining room. It\u2019s not severe enough. So you know your Russian. When those Russians come in here, we\u2019ll let you know. Hell, they may come in about the same time as all this other, it\u2019s gone be\u2013 it\u2019s gonna be quite a\u2013 an assembly here, with the ex-CIA agent who\u2019d\u2013 and Mark Lane and a bunch of Soviets at the same time. So you study your language well.<\/p>\n

Uh, Comrade Librarian [likely Teresa King], put some of the basic characters on the board, because Tom had some beautiful things there, uh, that projected on the screen. We have an extra class, and so maybe tomorrow, we\u2019ll take some Soviet classes. I think we\u2019ll just have to take some Soviet classes. Because we can\u2019t afford not to know something. And I know that some of you still can\u2019t say (stumbles over Russian phrase) (laughs) (stumbles over same phrase three time). And then, Lenin avant garde. Lenin avant garde. Lenin avant garde. (\u201cRussian\u201d in Russian twice), rather, (\u201cRussian\u201d in Russian three times), Russian, avant garde, avant garde, avant garde, (\u201cRussian\u201d in Russian), avant garde, (\u201cRussian\u201d in Russian), avant garde. Let\u2019s practice talking Russian to each other, \u2018cause that\u2019s gonna impress them when they hear it. And some you haven\u2019t learned anything for 84 years, so now let\u2019s t\u2013 really try to do something about this, because they are fascinated<\/em> with the possibility of us going to the Soviet Union. And believe me, you\u2019ve never seen such theaters, never seen such ballets, never seen such swimming resorts, you\u2019ve never seen the development, the Soviet Union is far, far in advance in medicine. We\u2019ll never have to worry about anything, we won\u2019t have to wait in line.<\/p>\n

Now next week, by the way, the dentist is coming, or the ophthalmologist. I believe it\u2019s the dentist. And then the f\u2013 week following, I\u2019m paying for the ophthalmologist to study your eyes. A\u2013 And so that shows how much I care. But there, the\u2013 right around every corner<\/em>, you\u2019ve got free medicine.<\/p>\n

Much love to you, and take this s\u2013 seriously to heart. I thank you. I love you.<\/p>\n

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Attention, attention, attention. The Soviet Union is very, very interested in us. A blanket invitation has been made. We will decide that ourselves. The decision to go will be ours, and it\u2019s good to know that that alternative exists. The Soviet Union warned us, the ambassador [likely Feodor Timofeyev], that this man, Mazor, may well<\/em> be a double agent. They\u2019ve had much experience with espionage. So they want us to be extremely careful. So I thought maybe if I told you who has said this to us\u2013 It\u2019s the Russian Ambassador. He wants us to be very careful. No talk to anyone about Russia whatsoever, or it could mess up your future, if we should decide to go there. Anything that is to be dealt with with the Russians is to be hand-delivered. That\u2019s what he requires. He said there some of your people probably are na\u00efve and don\u2019t realize what killers<\/em> the CIA are. They are murderers<\/em>. He said there is nothing like them on earth. They do anything, eliminate anybody they choose, and he said you\u2019ll have to be extremely careful. He begged us to be very careful. He\u2019s honored\u2013 he said, we have more of a socialist knowledge, we have more loyalty to what the Soviet Union is doing, their teachings, their avant garde movements, their principles, their worldview, than many, many Soviet citizens, and even ranking people in the Communist Party. He said the difference there is, we have strong institutions, the teachers, the Politburo, the army, is very, very committed to socialism, but he said we would be the greatest asset in the world. But again I remind you, no talking to Mazor, other than to tell him, you know, how happy you are, do you want to go home, no, I wouldn\u2019t dream of going home. And if you do otherwise, you won\u2019t be going anywhere. I\u2019m gonna tell you, you won\u2019t be going anywhere. If you mess this up. I mean it, I\u2019m telling you from the depths of my soul, and I don\u2019t feel too well, but I certainly got enough strength in my body to take care of any situation, when people want to mess over a beautiful thing. It\u2019d be the first time a community\u2019s been invited. They have watched our work, and they\u2013 the Tass correspondents that were here for a few days said they would\u2013 we would be an asset as our own community. They might well name it Jonestown. Who knows. Because they talk that way. They kept referring to us being a community<\/em> and a collective, and it would be an inspiration to other Soviets, uh, who some of them have developed a little bit of a pattern that they like the city, which they want to reduce. They say that a good socialist is prepared to die, a good socialist is not caught up with the city and dances and all that crap that you were talking about yesterday, some of you, that\u2019s available in the Soviet Union. He said the good s\u2013 Communist, and we would no doubt be mu\u2013 come members of the party, because we\u2019re better than some of the members of the party. We don\u2019t live high on the hog, we\u2019re humble, we have all we need, but we don\u2019t worship things. We don\u2019t look to materiali\u2013 material things, material goods for our concern. And he said some beautiful things that I shan\u2019t say. Now if we have the proper protection\u2013<\/p>\n

We love Guyana, and we are not uh, questioning about moving, we\u2019re just simply saying it\u2019s an alternative, and it\u2019s clearly<\/em> an open door on their part. And goddamnit to hell, I mean, I don\u2019t<\/em> want any idiot talking about it, and I want everybody report any idiot that starts a conversation on it, and Mazor, you are to say to him\u2013 smile, everybody to smile tomorrow, I\u2019m waking you up, I know I hate to, but I\u2019ve got a temperature of 104, it\u2019s all right, we\u2019ve got it isolated, I\u2019m gonna be alive a long, long while. But I\u2019m telling you this. And hear me\u2013 hear me loud and clear. You are to give the right answers, if you have to get you ass up at wee hours of the morning before breakfast, and play that tape over, as to what you say when guests are here. Tomorrow you\u2019ll be praising the PNC, Peoples National Congress, our party. Our prime minister, Forber Burnham. M\u2013 Maybe some encouraging things anyway, that\u2013 \u2018cause Dr. [Ptolemy] Reid, who\u2019s our very good friend and the chairman of the entire<\/em> PNC is on his way to Moscow. So who uh\u2013 who in the hell knows what\u2019s coming? Maybe some very good developments. Maybe a closer alliance. Maybe the Soviet Union\u2019s going to put missile protections over their head. But we want no damn talk about it.<\/p>\n

And anybody that comes in here tomorrow, you\u2013 when I come up to you and I ask you a question about PNC, you wake these kids up, when they start to\u2013 morning, they\u2019d have the damn answers. And the Doctrine of Three Worlds<\/a>, and all this, they\u2019re supposed to know the major enemies of communism. Revisionism. Socialism, that is. The major enemies of socialism is revisionism, anarchism. You know what I\u2019m talking about. Trotskyism, and social democracy. You\u2019ve got to know those things.<\/p>\n

And then the major elements of revisionism? Stand by. (Pause) We need to know what revisionism is. The m\u2013 the major enemies of revisionism. Those who believe that things come through gradual change, and those\u2013 (Pause) those who believe that democratic uh, elections can bring about a socialist revolution. (Pause) And that it can happen through nonviolence and gradual change. That is a basic enemy\u2013 that\u2019s the four basic enemies that\u2019re in the package, revisionism. The enemies of socialism is revisionism, anarchism, Trotskyism, and social democracy.<\/p>\n

Now we\u2019ve got to know what side the Soviet Union\u2019s on when we talk to the Soviets. So tomorrow, we don\u2019t talk pro-Soviet, we just talk pro-PNC, about racism. We talk about how bad it is in USA. That\u2019s fine.<\/p>\n

But when we\u2019re talking to the Soviets, we want to know who they support. They support Angola. They\u2019ve been on the right<\/em> side of every liberation movement. Ethiopia. They were on the right<\/em> side of the struggle in Zaire. They were on the right<\/em> side of the struggle in Mozambique. They\u2019re always<\/em> on the ride side of liberation causes, in spite of whatever good the Chinese have achieved in their domestic relations. He was very thrilled in our\u2013 We have the open door. If we don\u2019t want to take it, that\u2019s fine.<\/p>\n

But don\u2019t screw it up, don\u2019t shit in your nest. Again I remind you, when the man\u2013 anybody comes by, you tell \u2018em how much you love it here, how you wouldn\u2019t go anywhere else, and you better smile, you damn well better smile. There\u2019d better be no issues, no fights breaking out, because I\u2019ll be there tomorrow, uh, when it\u2013 when it starts. They may be in here as early as eight o\u2019clock in the morning. So take it to heart. Believe me. Take it to heart. I want no shit<\/em> tomorrow. I mean, I want no shit. I\u2019ve given you the opportunity of the lifetime, I\u2019ve given you opportunities where we\u2013 uh, with our work can bring your<\/em> loved ones to S\u2013 the Soviet Union or here, because of our work record, to get them out of that death that\u2019s going to take place, that absolute death that\u2019s going to take place in USA. So when I offer you so much, the least you can do is follow rules. Now please get this down in your head very seriously, and some of you better get in there and study the news, \u2018cause I\u2019m gonna ask, I\u2019m gonna come up to you and ask\u2013<\/p>\n

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