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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013really severely, was that I would have to die before we were vindicated. But you\u2019d have to carry the burden. (Short laugh) But you\u2019d have to carry the burden of being portrayed as a bunch of hoodlums. So you can\u2019t know what that means to me tonight. (unintelligible phrase) murderous sons-a-bitches. And they\u2019ve got him under safe-keeping. They\u2019re putting him in safe-keeping, (unintelligible word) it\u2019s that\u2019s important. Because he apparently\u2013<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls out<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He apparently has told\u2013 He apparently has touched on a lot of toes in a lot of places. That\u2019s why they\u2019re keeping him under uh, personal observation. So, if that<\/em> is revealed, it\u2019s really (unintelligible word) what was really behind him. That\u2019s all I ever wanted. I was so sick and tired of those liars, (unintelligible word) going back when we were trying to straighten our children out by spanking them, talking about chicken guts for cancer, when all these people here, many of them, been healed by cancer. Every damn lie they put every other second something across. Be interesting how the worm turns out.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Responds<\/p>\n

Singing by crowd.<\/p>\n

Marceline Jones<\/strong> sings Joan Baez song, \u201cAll the weary mothers of the earth\u201d<\/p>\n

All the weary mothers of the earth at last shall rest
\nWe will take the babies in our arms and do our best
\nWhen the sun is low upon the field
\nTo love and music they will yield.
\nAll the weary mothers of the earth shall rest<\/p>\n

And the farmer on his tractor and beside his plow
\nWill stand there in amazement as we wet his brow
\nWith the tears of all the businessmen
\nWho see what they have done to him
\nAll the weary farmers of the earth shall rest<\/p>\n

All the aching workers of the earth at last shall sing
\nThese words in mighty choruses to us they\u2019ll bring
\n\u201cWe shall no longer be the poor
\nFor no one owns us anymore\u201d
\nAll the weary workers of the earth shall rest<\/p>\n

All the aching workers on the earth at last shall sing
\nThese words in mighty choruses to us they\u2019ll bring
\n\u201cWe shall no longer be the poor
\nFor no one owns us anymore\u201d
\nAll the weary workers of the earth shall rest
\nAll the weary workers on the earth shall rest<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Beautiful. (unintelligible sentence) You can\u2019t give enough love. I thought\u2013 I haven\u2019t thought of that song for so long in years, or the meaning of those words. They\u2019re beautiful. One thing, to hear Marceline\u2019s sweet voice, another to hear the words. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 1:<\/strong> Christine. Christine Lucientes. Christine Lucientes, come to the back, please.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I uh\u2013 I was wondering (unintelligible word) a song\u2013 a song that used to\u2013 \u2018Cause a lot of burdens got off of our back, a lot of them. Now we can get on\u2013 we can get on, because a first\u2013 this is a first break. They\u2019ve always had every upper hand. And now we\u2019ve got [Joe Mazor] the chief renegade, the detective that got a license illegally, had powerful connections, and we\u2019re going to be\u2013 I\u2019m sure a lot of people are going to be waiting till 12 to hear what he has to say.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (sings variation of hymn, \u201cFollow Me,\u201d by Ira Stanphil)<\/p>\n

We traveled down our lonely road and no one seemed to care
\nThe burden on our weary backs had bowed us to despair<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Hums.) (Speaks) You don\u2019t know the melody now, do you? (unintelligible sentence) Get the\u2013 Get the melody. It\u2019s beautiful.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> How folks were treating me<\/p>\n

And then I heard him say so tenderly<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Our feet were so weary upon the freedom road<\/p>\n

The cross became so heavy, we almost fall beneath the road
\nBe wa\u2013 faithful (pause), for the morning we have seen
\nJust lift your cross and follow close to your socialist God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks) Sweet song, sweet song. Sometimes that\u2019s all we felt we had on our backs these last weeks. Nothing but crosses. Every time we try to build up something, somebody come along and try to hurt us. We\u2019re gra\u2013 grateful that a man walked in, and a liberal, like Don Freed, and saw the beauty that some uh, even in this rank don\u2019t see.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \u2018Cause he went to hell of a lot of trouble. Mark Lane was trying one of the biggest cases, investigation into the death of Martin Luther King, and he flew all the way out the United St\u2013 out from Washington, no charge to us, and participated in it, just based on what Don Freed had told him. Because the man usually gets a thousand dollars an hour, plus transportation. Mark\u2013 Mark Lane, who wrote Rush to Judgment<\/em>. Some of those books ought to take meaning to you now. And Zorro. Zorro [Code Name: Zorro<\/em>]. Remember when the FBI man, when he said, they got Zorro, and jumped up and down like a fool, meaning Martin Luther King. Those books are here. They should have more meaning to you now, because that\u2019s how much effort was put out on our behalf. Freed dropped I don\u2019t know how many lectures and M\u2013 uh, yeah, Mark Lane left Washington just<\/em> to come up to\u2013 and help set up this thing that we discussed that would work. I felt it would work, and it did.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Male voice:<\/strong> Thank you, Dad.<\/p>\n

Dale Parks:<\/strong> (sings) \u201c\u2013cross and follow close to me.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s my voice like it used to be. (Laughs) Always liked\u2013 he\u2013 he can sing it. He can sing it. Sing it. Sing it. I love that song.<\/p>\n

(Parks and Jones sing) I traveled down our lonely road and no one seemed to care
\nThe burdens on our weary back had bowed us to despair
\nI oft complained to Father how folks were treating me
\nAnd then I heard him say so tenderly
\nMy feet became so weary upon the Memphis road
\nThe cross became so heavy, that I don\u2019t care beneath the load
\nBe faithful weary pilgrims (Jones speaks) Socialist pilgrim (sings) The morning I can see
\nJust take (speaks) take up your cross<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Parks:<\/strong> (sings) \u2013your cross. And follow close to thee.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Use that good voice, Dale, and sing that verse again. My feet were all so weary on the Memphis road, and identify with all the people that\u2019ve gone down, shot down, killed and know the truth never did come out. Usually they have to wait till the death of a leader for the truth to come out. But here we\u2019ll have someone penetrate the shield before<\/em> the death of the leader, and believe me, though some of you worry about me dying, I\u2019m a long way from death.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause and cheers<\/p>\n

Duet:<\/strong> My feet were so weary upon the Memphis road<\/p>\n

The cross became so heavy, that I fell beneath the load
\nSo be faithful socialist pilgrim, the morning we can see
\nJust take up your cross and follow close to thee.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. (Pause) Oh, yes. Oh, yes. (Calls out) Oh, yes. Oh, yes.<\/p>\n

Organ music, clapping, Jones hums.<\/p>\n

Trio<\/strong> (variation of \u201cReal, Real\u201d): I know it\u2019s real, real.<\/p>\n

Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nOh, yes, it gave me victory victory
\nSo many people doubt him, I can\u2019t live without him
\nThat is why I love it so, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSocialism real real, it\u2019s so real to me
\nOh, yes, it gives us victory
\nSo many people doubt him, I can\u2019t live without Socialism
\nThat is why I love Socialism so, it\u2019s real to me
\nSocialism real, it\u2019s real, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSo glorious, gives me victory
\nSo many people doubt it, I can\u2019t live without it
\nThat is why I love it so, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSocialism\u2019s real, it\u2019s real, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSo glorious, gives me victory<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calls out) Every verse now<\/p>\n

(Sings) We can\u2019t live without him, that is why we love him
\nThat is why I love it so, Socialism\u2019s real\u2013<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

(Calls out) Everybody stand together now, Socialism\u2019s real<\/p>\n

(Sings) \u2013 real, it\u2019s so real to me
\nSo glorious, gives me victory
\nNow so many people doubt it, that (unintelligible word) live without it
\nThat is why I love it so, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSocialism\u2019s real, it\u2019s real, Socialism\u2019s real to me
\nSo glorious, gives me victory,
\nSo many people doubt it, I can\u2019t live without it
\nThat is why I love it so, Socialism\u2019s real to me<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks) You may be seated, darling. I saw a tender thing down on the front, and I felt this horrible weight lifting a little bit from you, and I saw Georgianne Brady crying. And that touched me, that some of our children are not without feeling. A lot of you haven\u2019t ever embraced things enough to cry, nor embraced enough to care. But it\u2019s been a long, long night\u2019s journey. I said, it\u2019s been a long, long night\u2019s journey.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

(Jones off mike, unintelligible.)<\/p>\n

Parks:<\/strong> (Sings) (Jones and Marceline come in intermittently)<\/p>\n

Without him I would fail
\nI said that without him I would be worthless
\nLike a ship without a sail
\nOh without socialism I would be nothing
\nWithout him I would fail
\nOh, without him I would be worthless
\nLike a ship, a ship without a sail
\nYes without socialism I would be nothing
\nWithout socialism I would fail
\nWithout socialism I would be worthless
\nJust like a ship, a ship without a sail<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Speaks) Thank goodness. Thank goodness. You may be seated. Let us begin the agenda. We\u2019re doing such a good job with Russian. (Pause) (Addresses someone off mike) Okay. (unintelligible) (Back to mike) What is so particularly thrilling to me is this can mean a difference by breaking this conspiracy. Next week, you see, uh, uh, Mac [Jim McElvane] and others were to go on to see the district attorney [John Van De Camp] pending criminal charges. If this man gives us any kind of links \u2013 and he obviously has them \u2013 we know that he had the links with everyone from his phone bill. We know that he talked to Watkin\u2013 Watti\u2013 What is it? Walkman\u2013 Walkman what? Wachenhunt. It\u2019s a CIA front. We knew his pho\u2013 We knew from his phone numbers, he\u2019s also talking to somebody where I did a brave thing once. He had all the context in the world. And he\u2019s the one that walked in to arrange for the payment of the hiring, two years ago in November, five days after Senator [John] Stennis, after we raised uh, five or nine? I can\u2019t remember. We raised that issue\u2013 and (unintelligible word) said, we have proof<\/em> that you sent two Air Force men here [Thomas Dawsey and Leon Joly]. And obviously, they were not sent there to spy. They were sent there to kill. And I\u2019ll never believe anything else. You don\u2019t spy on people outside of a church. Don\u2019t have to do it, because we\u2019ve taken out too many phone taps ourself. And I guess they\u2019re getting nervous, because Dr. [Carlton] Goodlett said he found\u2013 he thought something was strange and he checked just two<\/em> days after he got back from here. His phone was\u2013 was tapped.<\/p>\n

First is big shit. And by the way, we want to assure them (unintelligible phrase), we\u2013 we would give the man safety in the meantime, because he may need all the safety he can get. And I know some of our people, they don\u2019t know what an assassination is. They don\u2019t know to deal with this kind of thing. \u2018Cause he\u2019s in\u2013 Until he speaks, he\u2019s as\u2013 he\u2013 There\u2019d be every reason in the next two hours to have him killed. Then they\u2019ll try to kill him<\/em> if they knew what he was up to. This is amazing, this is amazing. And I don\u2019t want any of our people to screw it up, \u2018cause he needs to be protected. Plus he needs to be told, he\u2019ll give\u2013 be given sanctuary. Will you tell him that, till it comes through, the book and the movies. (unintelligible word) I see you, Ron. Will you tell him? Ron Talley, will you tell him? He\u2019s got to see that we care and we got the dodgiest planes. If he tells what he\u2019s supposed to t\u2013 uh, to tell, it\u2019ll take a lot of planning to get him out of there before they murder him. We mean bunch of people. You don\u2019t half\u2013 you don\u2019t know the half. You don\u2019t know the half. (Pause) My, my. One hour and 43 minutes. This is going to be the most important one hour and 43 minutes we ever had.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019re lining up everybody. Mark Lane, Don Freed, lot of leading people are s\u2013 stepping out in the press conference. And if Goodlett back in time, he\u2019ll be there. He\u2019s out on a speaking engagement, but Charles Garry\u2019s calling him and see if he can\u2019t drop everything and get back in (unintelligible word). But believe me, if Mazor has said anything, if he\u2019s sung like they said on the radio, they said he has sung, has sold out\u2013 sold out to us<\/em>, that is, not to them. He sold\u2013 uh, sold them out. So that means a great deal.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Pause, followed by scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I don\u2019t believe\u2013 I know he\u2019ll appeal to us, because this book on me, and he made a big todo about how much money I\u2019d make, and the movie. And that was justified. That\u2019s when the end justifies the means. But, there just may be a movie, and just may be a book, and certainly, giving him protection is uh\u2013 nobody could be more fair, because he did a lot of shit to us. But we\u2019re not interested in being vindictive to the person that tells us, we want to get all out of him we can. [If] They sell a book, we\u2019ll gladly share some of the proceeds, \u2018cause he\u2019ll be a wanted man. Once you tell on the conspiracy\u2013 You go along with them, they\u2019ll kill you, if you go along with them when they don\u2019t need you anymore. Why, Mike Cartmell has had Sue [Suzanne Cartmell] calling, said that there\u2019s someone calling with a contract on his life. And I thought, you simple-minded people. Don\u2019t you realize that the only reason that there\u2019s a contract on his life, that you\u2019re no longer useful to the conspiracy? So they decided to bump you off and try to blame it on us. (Stumbles over words) There nothing like that gonna happen, at least (unintelligible word) gonna happen before we hear in an hour and 42 minutes, what\u2019s taking place. What is the\u2013 Where\u2019s the agenda? (Pause) Any problem with livestock and piggery?<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> \u2013 and uh, we also sold one yesterday, (unintelligible word) one of those boars.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mm, fine. How much did we get out of it?<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Ah\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> 37.50.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Just a little bit.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> 37.50, yeah.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> And he (unintelligible word) gone come back and get his sow at the uh\u2013 from another litter that we\u2019ll have at the end of the month. Uh\u2013 Since our last report, uh, we only had uh, families notify that you only had three bulls. And since then, we have had one heifer and one more bull added to the\u2013 to the livestock area. So\u2013 So now we have 21 head of cattle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause
\nMale 1:<\/strong> And uh, we\u2019re now building a new holding pen for all the pigs at the lower piggery building Number 2 to make room for our new piglets that are about uh\u2013 that is about two acres for the new little piglets to go down to the lower piggery. And all of the little piggies\u2013 piggery\u2013 uh, all the little piglets have uh, been tattooed for marking, and uh, the ones that had to be castrated are castrated. Uh, we also have about 14 hogs ready for slaughter in the 200-pound range. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay. Uh, next on the agenda, Chris Talley. Christine, if you\u2019re here, would you please come up with up-to-date report on small animals.<\/p>\n

(Long pause)<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Next after Christine will be John Harris or Fannie Ford, so will you please come up and be ready after Christine?<\/p>\n

Christine Talley<\/strong>: Okay, basically all the animals we have are doing okay. I just\u2013 I can account for 41 cats and kittens around, too. We have 19 under the dorm, and we have 11 new kittens, and uh, we have another cat that\u2019s expecting. That\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices and laughter too soft.<\/p>\n

Christine Talley<\/strong>: We have two new dogs. Okay\u2013 Okay, also we changed some of the feed around, and we got it a lot more green things and there\u2019s gonna be improved health in all the animals. And uh, the rabbits have been moved to the chickery, and we did blood tests on \u2018em yesterday, and when we get the results back, we can start breeding.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Can some of the cats be taken to the piggery? Some of the kittens?<\/p>\n

Christine Talley<\/strong>: I\u2019ve taken some down there, and uh, most of the kittens right now are younger cats. When they get big enough, I\u2019ll send then down.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, next will be uh, John Harris with the herbal kitchen, and while uh, he\u2019s making his report, would Mike Touchette make his way up. He\u2019ll be next.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

John Harris:<\/strong> I hadn\u2019t (unintelligible word) there for a second. Uh, the herbal kitchen is still uh\u2013 we\u2019re still quite active at uh, gathering uh, many, many herbs that are\u2013 they are growing all around. Uh, we\u2019ve got a number of herbs that we haven\u2019t even catalogued yet. And uh, we\u2019re steadily trying to do this. In fact, uh, Ernestine [Blair] went out today and brought back some new<\/em> ones, and the big thing is that we\u2019re trying to uh, gather some herbs that we can use for medicine as well as food. Some of the ones that we already have were growing in our herbal garden, and uh, we hope<\/em> eventually uh, in the near future to have uh, what is known as a kind of like a bush lettuce. We don\u2019t know any other name for it, but it tastes like lettuce and it resembles lettuce. But at any rate, we\u2019re trying and uh, with a little help, uh, we\u2019re gonna have quite a bit of food in one form or another.<\/p>\n

Woman 2:<\/strong> Is there any way you can make some experiment with these teas so we can try and stop the bedwetters, \u2018cause I see there\u2019s quite a few bedwetters here.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/strong> Yes, we do. We have several teas that uh, can be utilized for bed-wetting, uh, and uh, it has to be prescribed through the medical office. Otherwise, uh, we\u2019ve had some for several times\u2013 you know, for a long time. Uh, a number of people\u2019ve tried them, and they do work. One of them is chicken livers, uh, the inside of the chickens livers and it works very well, and uh, we have some other herbs that can also be utilized. So if you uh, can get a prescription from your medical office, uh, from\u2013 pardon me, from the nurse\u2019s office, we\u2019ll be more than happy to treat you.<\/p>\n

Voice too soft<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/strong> Yes, they have to be re\u2013 uh, they have to be referred through the medical office.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> John, could you just\u2013 Could you just name a few of the herbs that (clears throat) we\u2019ve already had success with, just like, you know, a couple or three for persons that are new.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/strong> Sure. One of the\u2013 One of the herbs that we\u2019ve had and we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019re quite proud of it, is uh, cow\u2019s foot, and uh, you\u2019ve probably all heard about the cow\u2019s foot uh, since uh, we extracted the oil from that. That\u2019s a toilet paper, incidentally. The ones that we had, we t\u2013went through there and we gathered some\u2013 couple thousand of the sheets there that we were gonna use in the\u2013 in the bathrooms and uh, some of you might\u2019ve used it and some of you didn\u2019t. But this same uh\u2013 this same leaf has the properties that we\u2013 we\u2019re still<\/em> not quite sure about what they are, but uh\u2013 until we do some further lab studies, but we do<\/em> know that it will uh, heal\u2013 well, I\u2013 I don\u2019t know about healing, but it\u2019ll make the swelling go down in uh, a hot leg, as well as any other swelling and uh, uh, pain<\/em>. Uh, this is th\u2013 the same one that uh, Carlton Goodlett\u2013 we gave Carlton Goodlett and he put it on his foot, and he said he hadn\u2019t had any relief in three or four years, and it went down. So uh, it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s a miracle drug, and uh, we still don\u2019t know too much about it, but we do know some of the things that it\u2013 it does. Uh, we\u2019re hoping that uh, maybe it\u2019ll\u2013 it\u2019ll also uh, aid with the pain and get some relief to people with arthritis, as well as some of the other diseases similar to that. Joint pains and so on. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/strong> Oh. Yeah. Uh, okay, the other thing (stumbles over words) you\u2019ve all been trying, uh, I think you probably use it every night, some of you, is the Irish vine that uh, we\u2019ve got several of, uh, we\u2019ve got an extraction in alcohol, and then we have another uh, an ointment that we\u2019ve got, we put a lotion and so on. You use it for your athletic feet. Uh, how many of you in here that use athle\u2013 the Irish vine?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Quiet response<\/p>\n

Harris:<\/strong> Yeah. Well, some of\u2013 well, as Anita [likely Anita Kelley] said, some people didn\u2019t know that they were using it. But uh, we\u2019ve been growing that for some time here, uh, right out here in the\u2013 the old garden, and now we\u2019ve uh, transplanted down into our new acreage, and we\u2019re growing it there. In the meantime, we\u2013 See, originally it was brought from the bush, uh, as I said before, uh, we go out to the bush several times a week, and uh, bring various things and then we, you know, do a little research and find out uh, certain properties it\u2013 that they have, and then we experiment. Uh, sometimes I get a little wild and uh\u2013 (laughs) and I uh, I tried when I shouldn\u2019t but uh\u2013 Anyway, I\u2019m still here. (Laughs) Because uh, the reason why I\u2019m saying that is because some of these herbs, I do<\/em> not recommend \u2013 thank you, Anita \u2013 I do<\/em> not recommend it for anyone else because uh, we don\u2019t know which ones are poisonous and which ones uh\u2013 poisonous to the touch as well as to ingesting. So I do<\/em> not recommend for you to go out there and try it and such, uh, healing\u2013 and trying to heal yourself and uh, treat yourselves. By all means, go through the medical office. This is the uh, only safe way of doing<\/em> it. In fact, uh, before we even try, uh, the\u2013 the treatments and the drugs on<\/em> you, we have tried them for a long period of time. Any other questions?<\/p>\n

Too soft<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, thank you.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, next will be uh, Mike Touchette talking about land clearing plans and the roadwork, and would\u2013 Teena Turner, would you please make your way to the front?<\/p>\n

Mike Touchette:<\/strong> Okay, right now what we\u2019re doing is that uh, we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019re mounding up a bunch of clay for the clay brick factory, so that uh, they\u2019ll have a stockpile of clay, and uh, on the roads, what we\u2019re b\u2013 gonna be doing is that we\u2019re gonna be cutting some wood up uh, and putting in the bad places along the road so hopefully it\u2019ll\u2013 it\u2019ll stop uh, some damage being done to the tractors.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, thank you, Mike. Uh, Teena Turner\u2019s next with cassava and fields, and Joyce McIntyre, would you please come up?<\/p>\n

Teena Turner<\/strong>: Okay, right now we\u2019re straightening the mill up so we can start producing cereal and (unintelligible phrase) up there, and we\u2019ll start that next week and\u2013 and we\u2019ll start gathering the cassava up out of the fields.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, thank you, uh, Joyce is next with peanuts, and would\u2013 Ernestine Blair, would you please make your way up (voice fades)\u2013<\/p>\n

McIntyre<\/strong>: We\u2019re not having any problems, we just planted 25 – 375-foot rows of peanuts. (repeats more slowly) We just planted 25 – 375-foot rows.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Blair<\/strong>: Uh, report from the insecticide control, all tanks and chemicals will be centralized in one place, (pause) uh, the chemical control\u2013 in the con\u2013 chemical control building. From there the need for insecticide or the use of the spray tanks, they will in turn\u2013 will turn in a request explaining what and why the sprayer is needed. Russell Moton or Becky, you will notify them at the agricultural office at least one day before the projected need. All sprayers, agriculture and sanitation, will be done from the spraying pool rather than from different departments having their own sprayers. Through the process\u2013 uh, the process that\u2019ll (unintelligible word) for normal spray requests will be used, unless there is an emergency situation. These\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Se\u2013 Excuse me. Tell them, whatever they do, don\u2019t call any of the people want to be in that press conference (unintelligible) against people for some time. And we sure gonna have to use our heads back there. I hope they\u2019re doing it. (Pause) \u2018Cause they have every reason in the world to bump him off. It\u2019s a hour and 28 minutes before the press conference. (Pause) Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Blair<\/strong>: Uh. These are the procedures. Number one, each day, before the end of the day, the supervisor for insecticide control will post on the agricultural calendar what will be sprayed the next day. Any changes in schedule will immediately be noticed on the calendar. Also, we\u2019ll give through the secretary in the agricultural office what was scheduled for that day. Whenever or\u2013 or not it was sprayed. If not, it will be scheduled for the next day. (Pause) Also will be posted a notice of incomplete of spraying request forms for furnishing ac\u2013 for further action. The following people are now listed as sprayers. Tom (unintelligible name), Kenny Wilhite, Eric Baker, Joe Johnson, Ruthie Quinn, Ruletta Paul, Eugene Smith. Thank you. Any questions?<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, next\u2013 next is the farm report. I just want to uh, make a brief comment on agronomy. Our agronomist uh, Russell Moton has been studying and he\u2019s come up with a herbicide that will help them\u2013 the weeds<\/em> that\u2019re in the various fields, and I so\u2013 mixed this made with (unintelligible, sounds like \u201cGascar\u201d) 50. And that\u2019s supposed to stop the weeds from growing, so this oughta cut down a lot of uh, weeding from the different crews.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay, also we want to invite uh, all the\u2013 all members of Jonestown to come to the analyst meeting, the very next analyst meeting we have. We\u2019ll be going over the farm plan and readjustment, so if you have input about what you\u2019d like to help us plan or input about how to farm or any\u2013 any kind of input you have, would you please show up? Or analysts, supervisors, and any members of Jonestown on their team. The meeting will be Friday, scheduled for Friday evening.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd to soft.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> The meet\u2013 the meeting in scheduled\u2013 analyst meeting scheduled Friday evenings after the socialist classes in the rice pa\u2013 in the second school pavilion.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> I have a question. How would a weeda\u2013 a weedicide affect the plants that\u2019s out thee in the field? \u2018Cause there are 30 weedicides that will kill plants, as well as wipe out the weeds.<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Male 4 (could be Russell Moton):<\/strong> The ones that we\u2013 the ones that we do have uh, are for using\u2013 some of them are for working with the sweet potatoes and uh, some of your garden vegetables. Uh, and they\u2019re scheduled to be used only on those types of plants that they won\u2019t hurt. Uh, they have directions (unintelligible word) to show just which ones you can use them on and which ones you can\u2019t. Uh, one\u2013 the ones in particular that\u2019re going to benefit from this are the sweet potato fields and uh, uh, the bean fields in particular. So it would make it possible that uh, crews will\u2013 their time\u2013 their weeding<\/em> time will be cut\u2013 it should be cut in half, from uh, having to\u2013 They been spending a lot of time having to do a lot of weeding (unintelligible word) and once we get this going, it\u2019ll cut the weeding time in half, and save\u2013 and give us more time to be doing other things.<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/strong> Uh, Before Kay Nelson went into town, she asked about the possibility of some people putting some extra work in uh, evenings on toys and uh, Christmas sale items, and she didn\u2019t have time to get this started before she left, but we should uh, maybe talk about it and see if uh, somebody could get this started.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 (unintelligible word) to ask Betty to get far away. From what\u2013 where were we at?<\/p>\n

(Two tracks: original meeting under other track)<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> (unintelligible word) do you think, and you don\u2019t want to be here for some reason, and you need to look at that.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s why we\u2019re not hearing about that other thing about the flowers. \u2018Cause Tim Stoen was involved in that. You know\u2013 know\u2013 know. You know. The biggest thing I ever did. That\u2019s why we\u2019re not hearing anything from him. \u2018Cause he played the role all the way. You know, some of the brilliant things I didn\u2019t do, stop the war machine. Now I see why that\u2019s not relevant. They don\u2019t want to admit that their agent would be in\u2013 involved in anything like that. Okay. I don\u2019t get\u2013 My hurts don\u2019t last long, but I don\u2019t<\/em> need this shit, because I feel like it\u2019s a losing battle. Why in the hell would anybody want to think about going back to the United States when we\u2019ve got right now proof that the CI\u2013 being after us, CIA being after us, the man is begging for us to protect him out of the country. Why in the goddamn hell would any of you silly ass people stand up here\u2013 and I could get\u2013 you\u2019re not alone. You\u2019re not alone. There\u2019s others like you. And I bet you know some, too. And you ought to drag their asses out here. \u2018Cause this is poison brain, poison brain. They\u2019re not using their brain. The thing that disturbs me most about the\u2013 the companionship. What in the hell commitment is it, that the moment you go wrong in your sex life, you turn against socialism. What kind of fucking relationship\u2013 It\u2019s no wonder Lenin wouldn\u2019t let anybody in the party marry. He wouldn\u2019t have it. Only after [Vladimir] Lenin uh\u2013 just before Lenin died, I believe, he\u2013 he agreed to\u2013 (unintelligible word) it\u2019s sickening, the\u2013 the uh, family divides people from the greater collective, and by God, I\u2013 sure seems like this shit (unintelligible word) worries me to death. I wonder how many are here because of their boyfriend or their girlfriend, or how many people are here because it\u2019s, uh, belief in socialism. (Pause) Yeah. (Pause) That\u2019s what disturbs me so much. (Pause) What else? Somebody else uh, talk. I don\u2019t feel the best right now.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong> Um, I was up\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013for over seven years. It\u2019s pretty serious. There no chance of you uh, being a part of this group without getting it. And that\u2019s probably what scares everybody that crosses the border. They\u2019re afraid of the CIA, and the CIA will right out straight cut and kill you if you don\u2019t cooperate. (Pause) Not using their judgment. (Pause) It\u2019s hard to get all information about any. I was just saying, be sure<\/em> while they\u2019ve him under protective custody, they ask him, which ones of the conspirators killed Chris Lewis?<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Goddamn Tim Stoen. I wish you people would\u2013 I wish I could depend upon this organization. I wish I could. When I see this shit\u2013 You can rationalize all you want to, but this kinda\u2013 this\u2013 this is sh\u2013 bullshit. It\u2019s\u2013 It\u2019s superficial, it\u2019s unreal. It\u2019s unreal anybody could live under me and work with me side by side, and have this kind of bullshit in a letter. I\u2013 It\u2019s just pure hunk\u2013 hokum bullshit, seeing what\u2013 It\u2019s almost a Tackwood (phonetic) case all over again. We got tired of seeing what the\u2013 uh, what they were doing to us. He\u2019s already signed the affidavits and everything, but there\u2019s been movements to reveal that they were\u2013 the attempt on his life, and they\u2019ve got to get him here, before he can dare to feel free to speak. And he\u2019s already signed the affidavits. All is done. You know that we could use it. But if he is found out which studio\u2013 Our attorneys, Don Freed and Mark Lane say he\u2019ll be dead. He\u2019ll never be able to talk anymore. And even though you got an affidavit, it\u2019s much better for the living person to speak and be able to talk from a press conference here. I don\u2019t understand where some of your heads are at. Martin Luther King\u2019s been murdered, Malcolm X been murdered, two He\u2013 Hampton boys, Carl and Fred, murdered the same goddamn day in two different parts of United States, one in Houston, one in Chicago [Carl Hampton killed July 26, 1970; Fred Hampton (unrelated) killed December 4, 1969]. Go on down, how\u2013 uh, how the list is as long as the end of this building.<\/p>\n

(End of side 1)<\/strong><\/p>\n

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(Side 2)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, yes, shit, obviously not paying much attention to that. Mark Edwards\u2013 uh, Mark, uh Lane uh, said uh, there\u2013 this is the biggest thing he\u2019s run into. And it\u2019s something else that you guys can set here\u2013 I guess you never have believed it, maybe you just don\u2019t believe anything. Requires something. But I\u2019m sure you will believe it when Mazor, who is a member of INTERPOL, who was a part of the Nazi INTERPOL, has stepped forward, and he said the only<\/em> reason Stoen will not give state\u2019s evidence and lie<\/em> against us is because Stoen does not want his CIA connections to come out in the open. He also informed us what\u2019s going on that side, that there are some people incensed in the bar association, and that Stoen\u2019s license uh, as a lawyer will be going in a few weeks.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers and sustained applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (away from mike) All right. But let them know. (back to mike) (Pause) (tape edit) \u2013prison for you. Now you\u2019re sowing seeds of discord. (tape edit) \u2013at us. It\u2019s aimed at Cuba and Guyana. And we\u2019re being used. (Pause) (Stumbles over words) It\u2019s Guyana they\u2019re trying to get at through us. That\u2019s why we\u2019re getting this shit. We\u2019re just the little pike, because we\u2019ve moved and took a group of Americans to Guyana, they\u2019re trying to undermine the Guyanese government. That\u2019s how big it is. (Pause) I don\u2019t believe this. I don\u2019t believe (unintelligible word) not honestly faced this shit, you have not told me, and you say, we\u2019ll lose. I think we will. And she went all ape shit. She couldn\u2019t face death or concentration camp<\/a>. Acted like a\u2013 a simple-minded person that had been told God was dead. I don\u2019t normally reflect on people here. But you people haven\u2019t been here\u2013 If you weren\u2019t through all that mess, don\u2019t you ever say\u2013 (voice tightens) \u2018cause you don\u2019t know what the fuck<\/em> you\u2019re talking about, \u2018cause there were old people that set out there in the goddamn rain. We had to encircle this place, we were under that much of an attack. And we didn\u2019t know whether they were going to land on top of us, whether they were gonna come in with their goddamn trucks, we heard trucks \u2013 (makes motor noises) \u2013 just like four or five trucks stopping, we didn\u2019t know what the hell was coming. Son-of-a-bitch, don\u2019t\u2013 uh, don\u2019t forget it. Just second. Wha\u2013 Steve\u2013 Steve was at one end of the road, that hadn\u2019t been just a miracle, we had all been over with. About thirty seconds difference is all there was. (Pause) Whenever\u2013 don\u2019t ever insult these people. Even with all their faults, don\u2019t forget, by God, that was a trip. That was a fuckin\u2019 trip. And I si\u2013 I insisted that\u2019s one reason socialists are not<\/em> strong. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t have any beliefs in the socialists in the United States. Living in their high standards of living, in their penthouse apartments, and can\u2019t even face dying once. We not only face dying once, for four or five goddamn months, we face dying every fuckin\u2019 minute.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Applause (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So goddamn bad, that if somebody had opened us a vat of acid, and say it won\u2019t hurt the revolution if you jump in it, I believe eighty percent of this group would\u2019ve jumped in that acid, if it took them four hours to die.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible word fragment), an opportunity to go to Russia, shit, they don\u2019t\u2013 they don\u2019t want to go to Russia. They don\u2019t want anything to do with socialism. Sit here and say, Russia\u2019s got music, same kinda shit that Debbie [could be Deborah Layton Blakey] said, got more entertainment. I\u2019ll tell you one thing, you don\u2019t know what the hell you\u2019re talking about, because when Russia was fighting its goddamn revolution, there were years before they had enough to even eat. People trying to kill them. And then we were in Havana. My wife and I were in Havana, Cuba. And we had to jump out of cars into ditches. You wouldn\u2019t go five miles, from bomb after bomb after bomb. And though people didn\u2019t have no goddamn food and they went together and were planting rice and other things, wherever they could do in the swamps to be able to eat. You fuckers make me sick. You always want to get in on the end<\/em> of the revolution.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Several calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (cries out) You don\u2019t deserve to be in Cuba. You didn\u2019t help build it. And you\u2019re not helping build this one. You have no right whatsoever to talk about going to Mother Russia. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shit. Then you\u2019ll qualify. Always some fuckers that want to come along, after Mother stood\u2013 I see her face yet, trembling \u2013 you can be seated \u2013 trembling there, looking at her five sons up as statues, she gave five thumbs for Mother Russia. Don\u2019t you goddamn people think that you\u2019ve got a right to go over there and enjoy her movies and her resorts, when you didn\u2019t sweat one goddamn bit to even build this one.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Cheers<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible word fragment), you get your shit together, because we\u2019re gonna have a select line that day. (unintelligible phrase), but some of you are not going to be in it, if you don\u2019t change your fucking attitude, \u2018cause I\u2019m not taking your bullshit there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Applause (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible word fragment), using me in a special way to get people out of religion, because they said the f\u2013 only man they\u2019d ever seen do this, I\u2019ll be goddamned if I\u2019m going to come back to a lovely collective farm and hear some of this shit and spoil it with our neighbors, \u2018cause we\u2019re gonna mix more with our neighbors, here or there. We\u2019re bringing\u2013 we want to bring in\u2013 We got a high balance of females, we\u2019re gonna have to bring in uh, more\u2013 more males, and in Russia, we want to integrate, want to assimilate. But I\u2019ll be goddamned<\/em> if I intend to sit<\/em> there, doing our task and come home to somebody that\u2019s done some shitty stuff. I\u2019ll tell you one thing, don\u2019t count on going to Russia (unintelligible word) shit. Russia\u2019s got all the entertainment in the world, the best of medical care, and all that, but you sure as hell won\u2019t be talking about where you\u2019re going.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word), too much discipline, too much structure, too much structure, too much discipline. (Small laugh) Russia\u2019d be dead today, there wouldn\u2019t be any hope for socialism if they hadn\u2019t had t\u2013 more structure. And fine, sure. Wo\u2013 They\u2019re working 28 hours a day in the mi\u2013 a week in the mines. That\u2019s humane. But what about all the Russians that were forced there under the czar, when half of the miners died. Half of every miner in\u2013 under czarist Russia before the Revolution died. Nice to come along and say, we\u2019re going to get in on the 28-hour week. (Pause) And I had people ask, will we be able\u2013 will we have ice cream there? You ought go and get\u2013 you oughta jump in a damn hole and bury yourself.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We oughta be asking, what can we do for the revolution. We\u2019re going over there and we are yours, at your disposal. If you can loo\u2013 use us in Africa, if uh, you see the time is right in USA, we\u2019ll go wherever we\u2019re asked. We should go there, not asking for some goddamn favor or some kind of privilege. And I want\u2013 You fuckers not gonna be going. Sure, you can go to movies, that\u2019s\u2013 there\u2019s no problem, and you can take in entertainment, but I don\u2019t want no son-of-a-bitch the first time he arrives, ask if there\u2019s a beauty salon.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ve done\u2013 uh, how we cut our hair, and how we\u2019ve m\u2013 mended our clothes, and how we\u2013 That\u2019s<\/em> what they\u2019re interested in. They don\u2019t need no bourgeoisie.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I want everybody to take notice these people not socialist, \u2018cause I\u2013 I don\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t even wanna mess with \u2018em. (Pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I would no more dream of suicide than anything. It\u2019s the worst immorality there is. I wouldn\u2019t do that\u2013 Everybody feels guilty when somebody commits suicide, they start blaming themselves. (Pause) Instead of trying to bring the Guyana government down \u2013 that\u2019s the words was used, bring the Guyana government down \u2013 so we\u2013 uh, in order to take\u2013 if we did uh, have to take our people for liberty uh, someplace, like the Soviet Union, we must leave this place as well pre\u2013 prepared for those that would inherit it. We must leave it that way. That way, we\u2019ll be able to take out our Guyanese children, and nothing will be said. (Pause) Because we are naturally going to go where\u2013 we all go or we don\u2019t<\/em> go. At least some of us behave that way.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Marceline:<\/strong> Actually, when I left\u2013<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 We do, we do have a statistical fact. We have uh\u2013 That\u2019s what causes men to be cocky. (Pause) Uh\u2013 Too many of you women show you need a man. So obvious, it\u2019s\u2013 you could read it all over your face. But if there then is a balance of men to women, everybody will tend is\u2013 tend to be a little bit more humble, I would think. (Pause) Hmm?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I might like to know just how many young\u2013 They gave me the statistics. Now, some of these older sisters\u2013 And some will<\/em>. And some\u2013 But m\u2013 many of these older sisters wouldn\u2019t care about any relationship at all. But uh, you uh\u2013 you must be very honest about that shit, because we want to get a racial study of our community. Okay? People should uh\u2013 (Clears throat) Tim Stoen has been working with the Venezuelan government and the CIA to try to provoke an incident involving us. If I verify that, I\u2019m already telling the Soviets tomorrow, that we want to move, \u2018cause I\u2019m not gone get<\/em> caught in no mess like that. I\u2019m not going to be caught in a mess like that. If this\u2013 this information is true, we better get someplace else in Russia where they can<\/em> protect you. Right?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Anybody got any objections to this?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Speak it, speak it. Anybody\u2019s got any objections, speak. Please speak, because it may be quick action. More shit pulling up, pulling out than I ever saw. Yes.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And then try to blame it on the Venezuelan government and uh, Guyana and Surinam and Brazil have signed a treaty that they respect each other\u2019s borders. So, it\u2019ll be interesting\u2013 Uh\u2013 May I have them give me that word back again, exactly what he said? The agent that has stepped forward. I\u2019d like to know exact words, I don\u2019t\u2013 I want to be look\u2013 be sure I\u2019m looking for the right thing. The exact words that Terry had. Terry took it over the radio. By code. (Pause) Uh, anybody have any more questions (stumbles over words) this chap? (Pause) Have you got one, (unintelligible name)<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> We were talking about the uh, state of your health, and uh, that something might uh, uh, happen, you know, to you. And he said, if anything happens to Dad, uh, I\u2019m gonna\u2013 I think<\/em> he said\u2013 I\u2019m gonna take my gun, or I\u2019m gonna take a<\/em> gun, and I\u2019m gonna light out from here. I wouldn\u2019t feel safe, was the implication, without your strong authority. And it uh, uh\u2013 I thought it was a peculiar thing to say, uh, and it has\u2013 has stayed in my memory, and I should have reported it, I\u2019m sorry I didn\u2019t. Uh\u2013 On another occasion, uh\u2013 Do you remember saying that, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Bob:<\/strong> Uh, not exactly but I\u2013 at that time, what I was thinking about was uh, a great deal of vindictiveness towards Liz Forman, and that was my\u2013 uh, what I wanted to say.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> But what does Liz Forman have to do with it?<\/p>\n

Bob:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s who I would like to kill.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Right. Yes, that\u2019s what I thought\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shut up, please. (unintelligible, sound like \u201cCalaboka.\u201d)<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Uh\u2013That\u2019s what I thought he meant. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes]. Uh, he started to say something about something else.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Yes, there was uh, uh, one other thing that he said something rather odd to me one day, uh, he uh\u2013 he saw the sign that we had in Cottage 48, one of the uh, uh, residents there, I don\u2019t remember who it was, put up a little quotation, I believe from uh, Chairman Mao [Tse-tung], that said something about the\u2013 the children are the flowers of our revolution.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/strong>Uh, and uh\u2013 uh, Bob uh, came to\u2013 by one day and he saw this and he said to me that afternoon, he said, well I wouldn\u2019t uh, feel that way exactly, he said, uh, uh\u2013 What the meaning of what he said was, that he<\/em> was in this for his own benefit, and that he didn\u2019t worry much about the children. And I thought that was an odd kind of attitude for a socialist to take. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It is.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> And that\u2013 that\u2013 those two things stayed in my memory a long time, although I\u2019m very fond of\u2013 of Bob, I just thought they were peculiar things that showed a kind of individualist attitude.<\/p>\n

Bob:<\/strong> I remember exactly saying that. I had a discussion one time with uh\u2013 with Archie [Ijames] in which he reminded me that none of us are here for truly altruistic reasons. And I examined<\/em> the reason why I was here, and I wa\u2013 have to admit<\/em> that I\u2019m here for selfish reasons, as well as for other<\/em> reasons, uh, the spread of socialism being number one as far as I\u2019m concerned. Uh\u2013 Children certainly play an important part, though I would not<\/em> want to feel that I would be guiltless in saying that it was for them only, that I will certainly recognize that I\u2019m selfish. (tape edit?)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013Given us information, as I said, about the Venezuelan border, and that\u2013 no, you need to worry you at all, because Guyana will be notified. They\u2019ll not do anything. And we\u2019ll have plenty of time for us to make up our minds what we\u2019re going to do. And the fact that they know we<\/em> know will be sufficient. And then, uh, one of the most significant things, they know<\/em> that uh, to me, that Stoen is losing his license, and I\u2019m saying that a man, when he\u2019s losing his license, he\u2019s going to be running desperate. I\u2019m glad to know that. Shows he\u2019s close to him. He know\u2013 knows his worries, he knows his fears, \u2018cause he\u2019s not going to talk to everybody about this.<\/p>\n

(Voices too soft)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Voice:<\/strong> \u2013for awhile.<\/p>\n

Gene Chaikin:<\/strong> I notice that you have a uh, characteristic. I\u2019m just trying to pinpoint it. First, let me say I think you\u2019re a good worker, you\u2019re a hard worker, you\u2019re a concerned person, as far as I\u2019m concerned. But you have a characteristic that you like to be kind of stand-offish, I think you may like to believe you\u2019re a little cleverer or brighter or something than most of us, and what you do, is you stand off from situations and take potshots<\/em>, you know, and that\u2019s how your negativy comes out. You know\u2013 Uh, well, I\u2019m gonna look at this thing and uh, this is wrong and that\u2019s wrong and that\u2019s wrong, and boy that really establishes the fact that I\u2019m a little brighter and more clever than you. However, I\u2019ve never really seen you take the kind of responsibility around here that you\u2019re capable of. When time came to suggest that you\u2019d had some leadership role, you backed off. You didn\u2019t want that. You want to be able to st\u2013 didn\u2019t\u2013 sit back and take some potshots. Okay. Now look, friend, that\u2019s a compensation, right? That\u2019s a cover for feelings of personal inadequacy. And I understand you<\/em> have \u2018em, I<\/em> understand I have \u2018em, we all have \u2018em. But you need to correct it. \u2018Cause you\u2019re good material, and you\u2019re wasting yourself, and we need ya.<\/p>\n

Bob:<\/strong> I understand.<\/p>\n

Male 6:<\/strong> Bob, I\u2019ve noticed this too, uh\u2013 You\u2013 you take, like uh, Gene says you take potshots, you know, from the side, and you don\u2019t\u2013 you know, you\u2013 you tend to uh, don\u2019t con\u2013 t\u2013 tell the people to their face what you\u2019re thinking, you know. Instead you talk about on the side, and uh, I remember one day in particular, I uh, told you that and you said, well, you\u2019ve always been so passive, you know, like you, you know, wanted to\u2013 to take it to the side, you know, like that.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013(unintelligible fragment), but yours to send a team of doctors from Moscow. That\u2019s I think about seven thousand miles. And to me that shows an indication of concern for us as\u2013 what it represents, no doubt, I\u2019m not uh, stupid. We represent a great human rights issue. Never before has Americans left their country and said we don\u2019t like raising them. That\u2013 Yeah, Paul Robeson did, but that was only one. That twelve hundred people march towards Moscow and say they don\u2019t want anything more to do with capitalism. We will help socialism all over the world.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd:<\/strong> True.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We\u2019ll help\u2013 we\u2019ll help A\u2013 them to be accepted in Africa, and they deserve to be in Africa, because they\u2019re on the right side. China has good points, but she didn\u2019t support Angola, and that would\u2019ve been tragic uh, if Angola\u2019s Marxist-Leninist government had not won. She wasn\u2019t there on the right side in Zaire, she wasn\u2019t on the right side uh, in Ethiopia and still isn\u2019t to this day. And she took in all the Chileans. And China has followed uh, a pragmatic course, and looked after her own self, but if it gives socialism a shot in the arm, whatever we do, sending scholarships, uh, going there, whatever, but if you got any problems about\u2013 I wish you\u2019d speak your mind, because I\u2019m certainly going to make that appeal, that that\u2019s what we\u2019re\u2013 that\u2019s where our head\u2019re at. But I\u2019d like to hear from you. You gotta wait till there\u2019s a sign. If there\u2019s anybo\u2013 any person that sees any negative thing or sees somthing we should include<\/em>, uh, that might us even more attractive to them, uh, mention it, please. Now about uh, this uh\u2013 you\u2013 you said I believe, she\u2013 she was not uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 6: <\/strong>Uh, (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> Uh, some of you people will rationalize to save uh\u2013 I don\u2019t know what it is, that you\u2019ve got that damn system in your bones. It would seem to me that any black person, they\u2019d say\u2013 If they had a chance to travel after we get settled, they\u2019d say, well, I wanna go over to uh, Mo\u2013 Mozambique, I wanna go to where I was in West Guinea, I\u2019d like to go where our children\u2013 our great-grandparents lived on the west coast of Africa. What in the fuck do you want to go back to Honkytown?<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Calls, then applause<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013collective prosperous\u2013 we prosper, and we will, if we work together. I want to send people to Africa<\/em>. Not to the United States. You get to the United States, you\u2013 I told<\/em> you how you can get there. Swim down, Port Kaituma, hundred miles, and head out, hopefully\u2013<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013they will prosper, so people here will be able to go to Africa. That\u2019s<\/em> where the action is. USA is deader than a damn doornail. Listen\u2013<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> They have no chance. And you got\u2013 you got one\u2013 two damn good chances. You got a damn good chance we never left this place, that you\u2019d live in peace<\/em>. I mean, peace, as we get through this conspiracy, things will change around here. Our money won\u2019t have to go in the goddamn fighting the son-of-a-bitch. When Stoen<\/em> loses his l\u2013 legal license, I guarantee you, when Stoen loses his legal license, he\u2019ll go nuts<\/em>. He won\u2019t be able to give all this time to tear us up. Then we\u2019ll have more<\/em> time to make life more peaceful<\/em> and more fulfilling. But it looks to me like I\u2019ve spent a goddamn big di\u2013 uh, bit of money gettin\u2019 you the best films\u2013 I\u2019m\u2013 You know somebody gripes you don\u2019t have a dance, and I don\u2019t give a shit, you can have a dance on the fuckin\u2019 roof, I don\u2019t give a shit. (fades off mike)<\/p>\n

Low voice:<\/strong> Come on. Get out. Get out. Come on. Dad said, everybody get out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Sister said you can play it on the (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted February 2016<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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