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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III<\/strong><\/i>. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> \u2013and that they have\u2013 and more willing to do violence to destroy us. I want to be sure that we have something on tape that we can review that U.S. citizens would step up with a note and see that we are getting certain questions answered. Anytime Mazor [Joe Mazor<\/a>], the former conspirator who is now an informer, says anything<\/em>, we should immediately ask him, is there any way that he has\u2013 what he has said could be validated, proven? How do we clearly identify the agents in our project and in Guyana? Because he will know, or might<\/em> know, he\u2013 if he has\u2013 at that level. This is so we can tell where he\u2019s going with us<\/em>. At this point, he should volunteer about the man in immigration here that\u2019s a CIA agent. If he is sincere. We want to know what he knows about Chris Lewis\u2019 death. Why does Mazor hate Timothy O. Stoen so bad? That was one of the reasons he came over to our side. He hated him, because he considered him a sick man and an evil man. What are Stoen\u2019s other activities that don\u2019t involve PT [Peoples Temple]? We want to know what connections he\u2019s had with Wackenhut, a CIA front that\u2019s spelled W-a-c-k-e-n-h-u-t. Roseville. Why was he interested in a little commin\u2013 community of Roseville, which we know he was? The Redwood Title Company, just a few days ago, for Tima\u2013 Tim\u2013 not Tim but uh, Marvin Swinney. What does he have to say about these? What does he know about assassination attempts, mercenaries, and so on that we\u2019ve had al\u2013 already? Are any new ones planned? Where is the money coming from? Who is financing this thing? Who is basically orchestrating or calling the shots? Who is Timothy O. Stoen\u2019s immediate supervisor in the CIA? What has he heard from Timothy O. Stoen about our finances? What does John St\u2013 How does John Victor [Stoen] fit into the picture? He says he\u2019s just a pawn. We want to probe him as bai\u2013 best we can while he\u2019s here. What does he know about INTERPOL, the Nazi police organization that gives information to every police department of the capitalist world, that he says Stoen is a member of and a Nazi? What does he know about INTERPOL\u2019s activity\u2013 activities regarding us, past, present and future? Because we do<\/em> have some records from INTERPOL that this<\/em> government, in a very great<\/em> act of trust, showed us, which they\u2019re not supposed to do<\/em>. But they did. What does he know about Guyana\u2019s destabilization plans, plans to destabilize Guyana, or any other attack on Guyana? Who swung it so that Ma\u2013 Mazor could get his investigator\u2019s license, when it was impossible for a man of his background to get one, according to California law? And we have the statement of Governor [Jerry] Brown that he had powerful friends. I mean, the response came back, he had very powerful friends who spoke for him. That is important. He must tell us that. We want to roll\u2013 Uh, we want the role and background of the following people: the Swinneys [Marvin and Jackie], Mike Cartmell, Susan Jones [Suzanne Cartmell], Debbie Blakey, Jim Cobb, Deanna Mertle and her husband [Elmer], of course, David Conn, the big oil man who talked openly of killing us, destroying us, just like Stoen has and Deanna Mertle and her husband, as well as another has done. It\u2019s uh, a recent defector. What does he know about Grace Stoen? (Pause) Who are the people that they are worried about, outside of PT, that they uh, feel\u2013 that they fe\u2013 felt might be friendly to us? We want to know who they\u2019re\u2013 what moves they\u2019re afraid of, that we may be doing or anticipating doing, and who our friends are, if they know who our friends are. We won\u2019t tell them<\/em>, of course<\/em>, we won\u2019t tell them anything, we want him<\/em> to do the talking. Who did they think that our friends were<\/em>? What are their criminal and litigation plans, court and criminal frame-up plans? Who is being prepared to testify, to lie and give state\u2019s evidence if there is anyone? Where are they going with Concerned Relatives? What is Tim\u2019s role? What are Tim\u2013 Timothy O. Stoen\u2019s weaknesses there? Who hates who on the other side? Who is someone else that might be interested in a movie contract? The development of an affidavit to file with the State Bar. What is the purpose of the Katsaris [Steven Katsaris] suit? We have our own ideas, but we want him to talk. He\u2019s stepping out of the high ranks of the conspiracy, we want to ask him every question imaginable.<\/p>\n

If you have other questions you\u2019d like answered, put it in my suggestion box. Just like I told you to put in suggestion box, uh, what you thought about the four people that I picked (pause) uh, to uh, go in to uh\u2013 to go into the uh, (Pause) United States. Now, I didn\u2019t get very many people pass any comments. I want more<\/em>, because those four represent a lot of responsibility, and a lot of burden will be on their shoulders. Had been Terri Buford, Marceline Jones and uh, Hue Fortson, and Paula Adams. So you can write up any feelings you have about their weaknesses or strengths or what you feel about it.<\/p>\n

We hire\u2013 Who hired [Jeff] Haas, the attorney for Grace, and we might want to remind him what Haas said about Mazor<\/em>? When he was caught in a corner, he said that Mazor was a crook<\/em>. So that may help to divide more, because he did say that. And who is paying Haas? Who paid Mazor? US agencies involved, IRS, Treasury, et cetera. We want to know their role, what are they up to, Post Office, et cetera, who are some agents working on our case? Threats in our names, who\u2019s making these false threats that\u2019re supposed to be coming from us? Describe in detail the harassment, if any, that you claim to have received. What do you know about the New West<\/em> break-in, which was set up\u2013 even the front page of the Chronicle<\/em> admitted we didn\u2019t do it, it was a set-up between a Hearst Examiner<\/em> reporter and the New West<\/em> Magazine, both owned by racist, New West<\/em> by Rupert Murdoch, racist from Australia, and [Randolph] Hearst, the great uh, dynasty of Hearst has always been racist, he\u2019s so racist that his own son won\u2019t work for him. What do you know about the P.R. firm and what it is doing, that the conspiracy paid so much to hire? Do you know anything about the woman from Texas who claims to have tapes? Does\u2013 Does he know what INTERPOL is doing or has done about us? Does he know anything about a colonel<\/em> who came to visit Stoen, an officer who came to visit Stoen from Texas? We know that. If he doesn\u2019t give an answer, he will be lying, because he would surely know it, because we found that from our own investigation. Does he have offices outside of San Francisco? Has he ea\u2013 ever had other offices since being in the investigator business? Has he been doing anything in the Mendocino County area in the last month or two? Because we know he has, and if he says no, we will know he\u2019s a liar. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Having Mazor\u2019s living arrangements been worked out for a while here. We have Mazor\u2019s living arrangements been worked out for a while while he stays here. It\u2019s gonna have to be done, he\u2019ll be in the second compartment, I guess, from Charles Garry and two very select trusted men to stay it\u2013 there with him. That would be my suggestion, and ma\u2013 make it very beautiful. Color it up, as you have, the guest house, for Charles Garry, but be sure his<\/em> place is ve\u2013 equally nice, so he won\u2019t be\u2013 he\u2019ll see the truth, if he is honest. Watch him at all times. When you see the man come in, and it\u2019ll probably be tomorrow now, or the next day, because I\u2019m not paying a charter for a man until I\u2019ve\u2013 know that we\u2019ve got enough information. Uh, please keep a close eye, and make any\u2013 anything you see, make any notation, get it to me as fast as you can. Thank you, and much love.<\/p>\n

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\u2013right. Extra classes will be in the second school pavilion. I don\u2019t know where Professor [Edith] Roller\u2019s class and uh, Professor [Lois] Ponts will be. Uh, instructor Ponts. These also meet three times a day\u2013 a week meeting. These are three extra nights. You are in the extra classes also. Shirley Gieg, Mary Lenin [Mary Tupper], Shirley Newell, Stanley Gieg, Shawnterri Jones [Shawnterri Hall], [Detra] Renee uh, Murray, Donna Briggs, Keith Wright, Stanley Wright, Wo\u2013 Rashawn Neal, Londa A\u2013 Linda Arterberry, Vennie Thompson, Claude Goodspeed\u2013 No, they\u2019re up in\u2013 Those two are up in Professor Roller\u2019s. Ronnie Berryman, Edward Moore, Mary Ellen Kirk, Isabel Davis, Jerry Wilson, Santiago Rosa, Lucy Miller, Ida Nichols, Henry Co\u2013 Cume, Yolanda Brown, Karl Newell, Barbara Kemp, Odesta Buckley, needs to work on handwriting, Marcus Anderson, Chris Burrell, Joe Johnson, Estella Railback, Mary Morton, Mattie Gibson, Annie B. Washington \u2013 I\u2019ve named that person twice now \u2013 Ricky Corey \u2013 some wonderful people here \u2013 Samuel uh, Johnson. Incomplete test is Brian Davis. It was good, but it was incomplete. Late test in, Joyce Brown. Have to take\u2013 They\u2019ll have to take an extra class. Davis Solomon\u2013 What about his? Uh\u2013 (Pause, likely listening to someone in room) All right, la\u2013 two that was incomplete must uh, respond why you\u2019re incomplete. You\u2019ll have to take tonight, extra class, and I\u2019ll make any\u2013 that extra class\u2013 one extra class tonight for Brian Davis and Joyce Brown. Davis Solomon has no problem, his was very good, but you better see Professor [Richard] Tropp. Now do you understand? This\u2019ll be read off again with the news, so you\u2019ll understand where you go. You go to the second school pavilion at 7:30 for three classes, tonight, tomorrow night, and the next night. You\u2019ll take classes after the socialist classes on Friday night. And the ones that I named with the stars of excellence, and I said, no test, no test, excellent, no test, uh, y\u2013 you people can tell me what you want to do during the test time. Thank you. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Anyone that had to have extra help in writing your test, you must go to Professor Roller or Comrade Ponts\u2019 extra classes, \u2018cause you\u2019ll end up there, getting that help. Some of you are beautiful people that need that help.<\/p>\n

So, 86 percent of the people got fair or better. Fifty-two percent got very good or excellent. That\u2019s pretty good. Thank you. (Pause)<\/p>\n

This is an example of a request. Bob Davis during the next test, he\u2019ll give the area to uh, Jim Jones, Jr., se\u2013 security of Tim Jones, or Johnny Jones Jr. Just tell where you\u2019ll be working. During the next test, he would like to work on a news [new] design of folding chair in the woodshop. That\u2019s good. That\u2019s approved. Bob Davis. That\u2019s what I want to\u2013 those kinds of requests.<\/p>\n

Attention. The movie<\/em>\u2013 The movie tonight is a entertainment movie, uh, Getaway<\/em>, it\u2019s with what actors? I\u2019m giving you a light-hearted movie because it makes the uh\u2013 it make the crooks look good, and I like the crooks to look good when they\u2019re fightin\u2019 capitalism. Who\u2013 Faye Dunaway and who else is in it? Who\u2013 Robert Redford, I don\u2019t know, who all is in that thing? Steve McQueen. But first there\u2019s a new Soviet film that no one has seen, just a few minutes. I want all of you to see it, the new Soviet film, and then the television will be\u2013
\nRuby Carroll, please come right here to the radio. (Pause)<\/p>\n

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Part 3:<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u2013for special tr\u2013 treats, special treats every place. Wherever we are, these questions that are posed on the tape, which will begin at five and be replayed until the\u2013 just free entertaining movie that there\u2019re more request for, Getaway<\/em>, it\u2019s an action film movie of a group of people taking on criminal elements in the police, and someone needs to interpret parts of it. It doesn\u2019t glorify at least white collar crime, it uh, glorifies in a sense two people who fought the system and\u2013 and made<\/em> it. Uh, very rare that that\u2019s shown, and that type of ending is not shown anymore in Hollywood. Before we have s\u2013 a new<\/em> film on Soviet Union that no one has seen, so we want you to see that. Remember, you have to know one sentence in uh, Russian and one sentence in Chinese. You have to know various questions that you\u2019ll hear on the tapes. Be sure to rehearse, because if you don\u2019t, when you come up through the line, you\u2019ll be sent back to the end of the line. That\u2019s essential to note. And all those that were called off for extra classes will begin them tonight in the rice pavilion\u2013 in the second\u2013 I don\u2019t like that word. Second school pavilion, in the second school pavilion. Professor Roller\u2019s and uh, Instructor Lois Ponts\u2019 classes will be announced too, they\u2019re required now, I\u2019ve shortened them out of consideration, to three extra classes a week. That means three extra hours each class. Three extra cla\u2013 That means nine hours a week of study, so we can bring ourselves up to the common knowledge that impressed our new regional minister [likely Leonard Duvant Brant] more than words can say, the knowledge that we did have. But it was a falling [failing] that we have the ignorance that we had. So if we associate it with eating, I\u2019m sure that we will have what the People\u2019s National Congress is, our party, and the PPP is the opposition, the People\u2019s Progressive Party, that\u2019s what Dr. [Cheddi] Jagan is, the head of the opposition, and our own beloved prime minister, Dr. Far\u2013 Forbes Burnham. We\u2019ll have down the Doctrine of Three Worlds<\/a>, and we\u2019ll have down about Zimbabwe, the alliance between Zaire and Angola, and those who lead the Zimbabwean Patriotic Front, Joshua Nkomo, nationalist, and Robert Mugabe, Marxist-Leninist, against the white prime minister, racist, who has no legal title to be prime minister of Rhodesia, what the white man calls Rhodesia, we call Zimbabwe. And that white fraud prime minister is Ian Smith. We have a Chinese phrase that says we wish you peace, we have the Soviet phrase wishing the same. Soviet language and Chinese. Chinese classes will be announced also. We\u2019re going to learn both<\/em> Chinese and Russian. We owe that to the revolution, \u2018cause in commentary on the news tonight, we\u2019ll see how China may<\/em> even still be working within a rationale that would help bring about weakening of power of the USA, though it seems to be\u2013 appear that there\u2019s a constant uh, conflict between her and USSR, but if you\u2019ll notice in my commentary tonight, it doesn\u2019t really reveal that. USA is the one that\u2019s losing most in the deal these days. Much love, and thank you.<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 2016<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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