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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III<\/strong><\/i>. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.
\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Attention, attention, attention. I want some to go back and review news in addition to a written test for those that will be required to pass, those that stand up and pass that are chosen to pass the question. There\u2019ll be two types of test, those called up and chosen and go back some time, some weeks, to be sure that you have all of the news. Then, there\u2019ll be written test, except those that do not have to take the test this time. I would like to ask some of those people, however, for special treats, to enter into the volunteer portion of the test. Stand up when I ask questions, so that some of you can go back and review news, there\u2019s some news in the radio room here, old time news, some of you should go back and review it, be prepared to show how much knowledge you have of world events. That\u2019s very important.<\/p>\n

Everything must be clean tomorrow, there needs to be more planting done tomorrow, and we\u2019re going to have to cooperate with the nursery, there needs to be\u2013 Absolutely any barren space must be covered with plants. It looks better. Stand by. (pause) The blass\u2013 the grass as I\u2019m looking needs to be cut all around the playground. It\u2019s got to be taken care of. That\u2019s got to be cut all around.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m asking the administrators to get theirselves together\u2013 I understand there\u2019s some antagonisms about who is to go to Georgetown. I don\u2019t know what you expect me to do, each of you (unintelligible word) your departments squeal every time I have to have someone go to Georgetown and represent us there. I have no choices. Somebody\u2019s<\/em> going to have to go. And every department\u2019s going to have to be affected. I had resistance in several departments. I haven\u2019t appreciated that. And I\u2019m working very carefully, going over scripts and interviews ready for this man [Joe Mazor<\/a>], so that I\u2019ll have the proper questions to penetrate him, so we can get all the information we need from this CIA ex\u2013 He says he knows all the ma\u2013 of who\u2019s in the CIA and what they plan, mercenary actions, but it takes a lot of time<\/em>, and I\u2019m spending that time in spite of the fact that I\u2019ve got a temperature of 102, nearly\u2013 nearly 103. I really would\u2013 that people would take advantage and do what they\u2019re supposed to do of the opportunity of giving freely<\/em> someone and finding a way that it would do so I don\u2019t have to fight every time I\u2019m seeking a alternation to Georgetown, because people don\u2019t like Georgetown, and we\u2019ve got to alternate people to Georgetown every six weeks \u2013 no more \u2013 so that a person knows when they\u2019re going to get out of that big\u2013 that city life. They don\u2019t like it. Please take this into heart. Now, you go ahead and study your Russian, I\u2019m going to give some news which you will\u2013 can study on the blackboard or it can be played just after. Go ahead and study your Russian. Don\u2019t pay any attention to what I\u2019m doing at this moment.<\/p>\n

Rhodesia. Uh\u2013 (speaks away from mike, then back) In Lusaka, African leaders are meeting about Rhodesia. In London, American and English leaders are meeting about Rhodesia. In Salisbury, capital of Zimbabwe or Rhodesia, a big demonstration by whites is protesting the Smith meeting with Joshua Nkomo. So now, not only does Ian Smith have a total loss of black support, he has the loss of white support also. President [Jimmy] Carter is considering a meeting with Ian Smith. Of all things, that he\u2019d stoop so low as to meet with that dictator.<\/p>\n

Rhodesian-Zambian relations. Since the Rhodesian airline crash, Zambian president is concerned about Rhodesian troops coming i\u2013 onto Zambian soil. As you know, the prime minister of Zamba\u2013 Zambia, [Kenneth David] Kaunda, is a personal friend of our prime minister, Forbes Burnham. Remember, our party is PNC.<\/p>\n

All of you had better get up early or stay up late and study the tape, how to meet guests. You\u2019re not to go up and start conversations with anyone. We\u2019re going to have guests tomorrow from the Women\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement. Very, very friendly to us. And there\u2019s also going to be a dentist [Dr. Patrick Ng-a-Fook] that I\u2019ve hired to give your teeth\u2013 some of your teeth, their proper attention. Then in another couple of weeks, we\u2019ll have optha\u2013 ophthalmologist who will be coming, and that cost a great cost to do cataract surgery on your eyes. I do expect everybody to be grateful\u2013 Perhaps they should listen to this, because it won\u2019t take long, and then you can get back to Russian, because you need to have a good command of Russian, because the Russians are due any time.<\/p>\n

Now it\u2019s important that you do not go up to anyone, just a smile at them and say hello, but don\u2019t answer any personal questions. If they a\u2013 if they ask how old you are, something like that, that\u2019s fine, if you like the place, yes, I lo\u2013 I love it, I wouldn\u2019t be anyplace else. That it\u2019s the most beautiful place on earth. But do not go further. It\u2019s always possible that an agent can be a double agent. The government will be watching this person very closely, but he is so frightened, he is leaving the United States tonight. Charles Garry\u2019s also going. He is afraid to stay in United States one more day. So apparently we are onto something big. It would look like that anyway. But we will not throw caution to the wind. We\u2019ve\u2013 have gotten some very pertinent information, vital information. His tapes will embarrass, if we don\u2019t do anything else, if the news media is so capitalistic, we can print up\u2013 Dr. [Carlton] Goodlett has said he\u2019ll give us, 10, 15, 25,000 papers to produce our own newspaper free, and pass out, about what this man says, and it is a terrible number of things that he says that this conspiracy of our ex-members plus the CIA have been up to. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Anyway, Rhodesian troops on Zambian soil\u2013 soil. He is protesting this, Kuanda, severely. He is considering asking help from the United Nations, Britain, or any other country that will give assistance. That could be Cuba or the Soviet Union. Zambia has not real\u2013 no real army, and only one surface-to-air missile, because USA has kept them poor by pouring copper onto the world market, thus reducing the price of copper\u2013 copper. Remember those old news. I\u2019m counting on a lot of you to shine<\/em> tomorrow, by going back and studying news that we\u2019ve had for weeks. You can get them there\u2013 Vernetta [Christian] has whole sheets of them, and some of you shine, we\u2019ll give you very special considerations, if you can answer questions that go way back.<\/p>\n

The British would have to make some response if the Zambian president requests assistance. They cannot afford to\u2013 to lose Zambia entirely in the alliance. The spread of the Rhodesian war is a major fear of many. Zambian economy is disrupted by Rhodesia, and Zambia stands behind Joshua Nkomo. Zambia will not break that alliance, say they.<\/p>\n

Response by [Josip Broz] Tito and Romania prime minister [Manea M\u0103nescu] on the Soviet comments on the visit of the Chinese. Tito was greatly surprised at the Soviet reaction. He said, we learned during [Josef] Stalin\u2019s time not to depend on one country alone. The Romanian President, Tito says, we can\u2019t let the\u2013 The Uranian president\u2013 (Pause) Not Tito, excuse that. The Romanian President [Nicolae Ceau\u0219escu] says we cannot depend on one country. Both rebutted the criticisms that they were making separate d\u00e9tente arrangements with<\/em> China, but they both insisted that they were friendly and would remain friendly to the Soviet alliance.<\/p>\n

England, Great Britain. Margaret Thatcher, modern day fascist, criticizes the British prime minister for not calling general elections at this time. She claims the party in power does not represent the principles of the people. Says there is more unemployment than in World War II, and that taxes have doubled. Says that English people are char\u2013 tired of black people and Indian and Asian being in their culture. They ought to be returned to their own lands. Some of them been removed 200 years. Where are their lands? How evil this woman is. [Edward] Callaghan, Prime Minister of England, the Labor Party, may call the elections in mid-Oct\u2013 mid-October, even though he\u2019s insisting that he will not because he sees a f\u2013 an\u2013 a rightwing turn under Margaret Thatcher, head of the Conservative Party. As you remem\u2013 I told you before, he has stren\u2013 she has strength, because the Liberal Party head, probably with the collusion of the press and CIA and other intelligence agency, brought out the fact that the head of the Liberal Party, [Jeremy] Thorpe, had had homosexual affairs with the young man [Norman Scott] and had conspired to murder him, because he was black\u2013 whitemailing him. Anyway, Liberal voters always go over to the Conservatives when there\u2019s any trouble in the Liberal Party. So that makes it even dan\u2013 much more danger from\u2013 for the present Labor government. Some say the longer he waits, the harder he will fall. The election could go either way right now, but it is getting worse for the Labor government any\u2013 uh, every day. The fact that Margaret Thatcher has never been in power and is controversial\u2013 controversial is a liability, that she is a racist, openly, is also a liability. For Thatcher, as well as most of her support\u2013 support come from women when they claim they believe things will get worse with pressure for wage and prices increasing.<\/p>\n

Tehran, Iran. Thousands may be dead from just one night of fighting in a troop clash with demonstrators protesting curfew limitations. It\u2019s not able to be estimated how many are dead. They know they\u2019re in the hundreds. Protests against the power of the corrupt rich Shah [Reza Pahlavi, Shah of Iran].<\/p>\n

Won\u2019t be too much longer. Then after I finish, you can go another 45 minutes in Russian, so you have that down.<\/p>\n

It is obvious that the government is prepared for violence with troops standing by in every city. Iran is nothing but one state of rebellion. It has been amazing that until now there has been as little violence as there has been, because of the obvious (Pause) visible threat of the S\u2013 Shah\u2019s secret police, and the threat of his highly-trained and disciplined f\u2013 armed forces, disciplined in torture. The deaths will unite the conservatives, religious dissenters, the constitutionalists, and the nationalists and the socialists against the Shah. They are all prepared for confrontation with the government. The Shah is taking a major risk in changing or ending his liberl\u2013 liberalization program. So far, the army has been loyal to the Shah, but it\u2019s under great pressure from other forces to break with the Shah. Eleven cities have dusk-to-dawn curfew. There is no city that does not have rebellion against the Shah.<\/p>\n

India. Severe flooding, suspected due to the CIA cloud-seeding and geo-physical warfare of the Ganges River and in the West Bengal region. The Indian army has been sent in the area to help, as tens of thousands have died and hundreds of the\u2013 of cities have been wiped off the map. It\u2019s a terrible irony, because this was the best crop year, the best harvest that India ever had. But some suspect the CIA because India was turning more strongly again towards the Soviet Union.<\/p>\n

France. The French budget will have a tough time passing in the National Assembly because of dramatic unemployment in France. Mi\u2013 [Francois] Mitterrand, head of the Socialist opposition, criticized the current prime minister [Raymond Barre] for lack of initiative to do something about the workers\u2019 plight in France.<\/p>\n

Swiss economy is expecting a two percent growth rate, protuc\u2013 production costs are higher, but if wage demands aren\u2019t too high, they can be okay.<\/p>\n

That is the end of the brief summary of the news. We hope that you will go back now and study all<\/em> of the information you can possibly get together from past news, so when I call people up, there\u2019ll be a lot of hands. Those will get special benefits. The written test or just what you need to be pass\u2013 just to be passed so you won\u2019t have to take the next test. All right. Much love. Now go back to studying Russian for another 45 minutes, so you can get as much training in Russian as possible.<\/p>\n

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Part II:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> News in the library. Uh, I uh, would\u2019ve liked to seen more Russian studied, but if there is that, go into the libraries and study what you can of news. Many people will not do things structured. That wasn\u2019t very much time that you had to study Russian, and you should look forward to intensified class, but being that you have\u2013 have that done, study the news. Study the news that you now have, and study it well. It\u2019s important. It\u2019s important.<\/p>\n

House votes to repeal Turkish embargo. The House narrowly voted yesterday repeal a three-year-old congressional embargo against U.S. military aid to fascist Turkey, handing President Carter a major foreign policy victory.<\/p>\n

Our judge is a communist. We have a new and strange situation. Detroit. Justin Charles Ravance [Ravitz] is the United States only Communist judge, and the people love him. He wears a tattered black robe in court, refuses to openly display the U.S. flag and request that spectators rise for the jury, not for the judge. He handles Michigan\u2019s toughest judicial assignment, Recorder\u2019s\u2013 Recorder\u2019s Criminal Court here, but ha\u2013 has won the respect of leftist capitalist prosecutors and defense lawyers alike. Probably an ideal Communist, with no real connection with the international communist movement, or he wouldn\u2019t survive, not in USA. He is the best judge around, and the most honest you\u2019ll ever encounter, said Joel Morris, a lawyer who needs\u2013 who heads the Recorder\u2019s Court Committee of the Detroit bar.<\/p>\n

The 38-year-old Marxist placed a cooperat\u2013 coror\u2013 corporation president on probation for factory pollution, he sentenced a supermarket meat manager to jail for short-weighing. He insured that prisoners are held no longer than 12 hours without arraignment. He demanded that government white collar lawyers represent the indi\u2013 indigent. He says he is a part of a criminal injustice system that is the United States. Only working railroad. Only working railroad. He firmly believes that the law promotes class division, racism, and imperialist wars. A legal scholar, he says many lawyers practicing before him are incompetent and don\u2019t adequately represent their clients. He will tell them in open court, nevertheless, he describes\u2013 he operates a courtroom that all lawyers request and many love to practice in. It\u2019s the best courtroom I\u2019ve ever been in, said defense lawyer Neil Bush (phonetic). There is justice there. Other judges have hi\u2013 have nice robes and flags, but no justice.<\/p>\n

Ravitz\u2013 Judge Ravitz has a brilliant legal mind, treats every person with dignity, and is impeccably fair. There is no mystery in courtroom 703. Ravitz fully explains the reasons behind ruling and won\u2019t simply declare sus\u2013 sustain or overrule, he translates baffling legalese into everyday language for audiences and jury and summaries [summarizes] all sidebar conferences with lawyers for the re\u2013 record. He attempts to make spectators, litigants and victims feel at ease and not the least bit intimidated.<\/p>\n

The jury, not the judge, is the object of honor. Ravitz will open the jury door, bid each juror hello, and make sure no spectator sits until the jury is in place. You know, that makes some sense, said a Republican lawyer. The jury represents the community. Why the hell should we be standing for the damn judge?<\/p>\n

Ravitz says plea-bargaining often is used by prosecutors and defense lawyers to the disadvantage of unwitting defendants. Instead he takes guilty pleas under advisement. Ravitz later tells a defendant (stumbles over words) exactly what sentence he will receive. The defendant then can change his mind, plead not guilty without prejudice, and receive a new trial. That\u2019s certainly fair.<\/p>\n

Most people who come into a courtroom feel awestruck in\u2013 by the judge and the policeman, said Mizell S\u2013 uh, St\u2013 Salwell [phonetic], chief defender for the Legal Aid and Defender Association of Detroit. Ravitz has succeeded in eliminating the majo\u2013 the mystery and majesty of the court. He may be the best young jurist in the country. The judge is not the least bit flattered and undermine\u2013 underlines the limits of what he and his comrades can do. There\u2019s no way that 20 or 30 of his\u2013 of us are going to legitimatize a system whose economic arrangements are divisive.<\/p>\n

The bearded Marxist is a son of an Omaha salesman. He attended Babson College in Wellesley, Massachusetts, and received a master\u2019s degree (pause) in international relations at the University of Pennsylvania. He earned a law degree from the University of Michigan, then went to Detroit. His radicalization is tied closely to his meetings (pause) with black Marxist Kenneth Cockrel, now a member of Detroit Common City Council. The two lawyers helped found a radical law firm to assist the poor and working class in 1968. Working 18 hours a day, their record was no less than stunning and paved the way for Judge Ravitz\u2019 election to the bench in 1972. Ravitz and Cockrel helped win acquittals for two men charged with shooting two Detroit police officers. Further, they maintained during that the\u2013 that\u2013 the trial that Wayne County\u2019s jury selection process excluded most blacks and young adults. Their argument led to key reforms by the coun\u2013 the county commission. In the most remarkable decision\u2013 Just about through, thought this would be interesting to you\u2013 Though they\u2019ve both been threatened, uh, their lives are threatened and they probably won\u2019t last another term, but at least in Detroit, you\u2019ll find a more fertile ground for communism these days.<\/p>\n

In, as I said\u2013 In the most remarkable decision to be (pause) won, that he won a\u2013 a jury acquittal for [an] autoworker who killed two foremen and another worker at a Chrysler plant, Judge Ravitz and Councilman Supervisor, communist of Detroit, Cockrel, argued that working condi\u2013 conditions, along with Chrysler and US racism, had driven the man insane. His early months on the bench were marked by controversy. He wore cowboy boots and refused to stand for the pledge of allegiance at his swearing-in. When Judge Ravitz took the bench, he refused to wear the traditional black robe, and h\u2013 and had the US flag removed from the court. The Michigan Supreme Court ordered the garb back on and a flag displayed, a move that still angers him. Hence he\u2013 the tattered robe over a sports shirt, he wears it only over a sport shirt, which he won\u2019t button, and a flag that is purposely obscured or hidden by an oak divider and cannot be seen.<\/p>\n

Last week, a 52-year-old autoworker and prospective juror stood and said, I can\u2019t sit here when the symbol of truth, justice and liberty is not displays\u2013 displayed. Judge Ravitz quietly responded, I respect your decision, sir, and exercised [excused] the man from the jury. Real patriotism. Judge Ravitz holds\u2013 has ab\u2013 holds as absolutely nothing to do with false symbols.<\/p>\n

A corporation in southwest Detroit was charged with violating state anti-police\u2013 anti-pollution state\u2013 uh, state\u2013 uh, statutes. The company tried to fix the problem but continued normal production. Judge Ravitz criticized their public-be-damned attitude, placed the firm on proda\u2013 probation for two years, even though that was mild\u2013 he doesn\u2019t take on industry too heavily, or he wouldn\u2019t remain a communist judge, I can tell you that \u2013 and made clear that if the probation was violated, he would hold the company president in contempt and send him to jail.<\/p>\n

In August 1973, a supermarket was found guilty of short-weighing meat. The chain\u2019s district manager, Judge Ravitz\u2013 Ravitz called, walked toward the bench like he might be the great US Supreme Court Justice Frank Murphy, after whom this building is named. He came forward\u2013 he came towards, I say\u2013 (Pause) There\u2019s still more of it, I might as well finish it. When I\u2019ve got it\u2019s going, we might as well share the\u2013 the whole of it. (Pause) We were telling, the man walked towards the uh, bench\u2013 (Long pause) He walked towards me like he owned the building and explained the way those matters are handled, in that the corporate\u2013 corporation pleads nolo contendere. That means no contest so they can get away, innocent. The charge against the meat manager is\u2013 is dismissed, and the corporation pays a statutory fine of one hundred dollars. Still going kinda light on big business. Judge Ravitz sentenced the most\u2013 meat manager Arthur Dickler (phonetic) to one day in jail, a decision later reversed on appeal.<\/p>\n

Likewise he \u2013 the judge, that is \u2013 uh, instituted the writ of habeas corpus to make Detroit (pause) police account for any prisoner who has got\u2013 who had not been arraigned after 12 hours before he acted. Hundreds of prisoners could be held for days in dismal conditions without arraignment.<\/p>\n

Judge Ravitz\u2019 next blockbuster\u2013 came at the end of a blockbuster, the\u2013 the tenth presi\u2013 precinct drug conspiracy trial, one of the longest and most expensive in Michigan history. The seven month trial involved (pause) sixteen defendants, nine police officers, and seven heroin pushers, eleven defense attorneys and four prosecutors, generated 40,000 pages of testimony, and cost the state two million dollars. Lawyers still laud Judge Ravitz\u2019 impeccable handling of the trial. It was a legal circus, just like the Chicago 7 Trial, and incredibly, there wasn\u2019t even one mistrial. One prosecutor said, he was the only judge with intellect and patience to handle the case effectively.<\/p>\n

However, the real surprise came when Judge Ravitz had to find lawyers to handle the appeals of several indigent poor defendants. Rather than turn to Legal Aid, Judge Ravitz selected two prominent silk-stocking lawyers and a former state appeals judge. One lawyer was Jas\u2013 Ja\u2013 Jason Honig\u2013 Honigman, personal attorney for Ford Motor chairman Henry Ford II. The three frantically appealed (clears throat) their selections and won. But the self-styled peoples lawyer had made his point. America\u2019s successful lawyer does not represent the poor.<\/p>\n

Ironically, the other lawyer, former appeals judge and lieutenant governor, T. John Lesinski, and Judge Ravitz have met since, because the Ma\u2013 the Massachusetts\u2013 the Mi\u2013 rather, the Michigan Supreme Court, acting to reduce a five thousand four hundred case backlog in Recorder\u2019s Court, last year appointed Lesinski as Special Administer [Administrator] with far-reaching powers. I don\u2019t want to sing the guy\u2019s laurels, Lesinski said, but Judge Ravitz has turned out to be a excellent judge and has been utterly cooperative.<\/p>\n

Ravitz drives a foreign car, carries a gun, why? There\u2019s a lot of crime out there, he said, and I\u2019ve had a lot of assassinations on my life, and is against capital punishment, although not for the expected reason. As long as the system remains under their domination, it would be crazy to say, a\u2013 it should exist because we know who\u2019s going to get killed and who\u2019s doing the bidding for whom. He said, under capitalism, only the poor are the ones that get executed, that are the ones treated by capital punishment. Similarly, Judge Ravitz is against gun control. If you take away guns from the state and the police, you can take them away from everyone. I\u2019m not prepared to say they should have an exclusive monopoly on the right to bear arms.<\/p>\n

He says that traditional rehabilitation is a sham, and he sends political literature to men he has sentenced to jail. The best rehabilitation, he said, is promoting social and political consciousness so people are less into individualism, violence, competition and materialism, but it is precisely those sort of people, the ones who make waves in jail, that don\u2019t get paroled, that don\u2019t get paroled at all.<\/p>\n

His honest, human sympathy, and resolute judicial approach were fully revealed recently in the sentencing of Lark Baker. Baker, an illiterate 16-year-old Kentucky native with a record of 36 arrests, pleaded guilty in\u2013 to the brutal murder of an 83-year-old woman during a home robbery. Judge Ravitz told a packed and rushed\u2013 hushed courtroom, this case has many of the classic ingredients as far as environment and juvenile history goes. It reflects upon an inadequate, inhumane educational system, and upon a juvenile\u2019s ju\u2013 justice system that produces nothing but criminality. Shaking his head and speaking softly, he said, I\u2019m dealing in decades here, and it\u2019s a hard thing. I don\u2019t know if I can look at a person 16 years of age and write him off for his life. Ravitz then sentenced Baker to 40 to 70 years in jail.<\/p>\n

Ravitz\u2019 future is unclear. He won\u2019t run again when his 49,000 dollar-a-year term expires in 1983, or seek a higher judicial shot. I don\u2019t regard the decision to run and look forward to the day when I can leave to do something more meaningful. He knows he has no chance of re-election and even faces the chance of execution, in spite of the fact that he does appeal [appease] the right on occasions like he did with this youngster by se\u2013 sentencing him to 70 years of age\u2013 70 years. That\u2019s a heavy sentence for a 16-year-old. So he\u2019s trying to window dress to appear<\/em> like a good communist, but he\u2019s inconsistent, like on the matter of gun control and so forth. He\u2019s really playing all ends to try to get something done. But unfortunately, when you use certain tactics, you become a part of those tactics. His great unfulfilled objective, he said, is seek\u2013 seeing laws used to benefit people whom he knows to be victimized by crime, to get corrupt people who sit on benches or in prosecutors\u2019 offices. It\u2019s exciting he\u2019s\u2013 to think what might happen if we could prosecute properly.<\/p>\n

Well, that\u2019s a communist judge who won\u2019t last long in Detroit. And it is interesting that Detroit does have more communist sym\u2013 sympathies, though it is still under a fascist Uncle Tom sellout mayor [Coleman Young], but there are more blacks in Detroit than anywhere, so you can get by with a little more than you could in ordinary places.<\/p>\n

Study your news now, go back over back news. We\u2019ve got to show a good\u2013 good standing. You gotta know your Russian well, you gotta be able to stand up and say Chinese and Russian, all those language, Swahili for \u201cpeace,\u201d they should be written on the blackboard, same in Portuguese, same in German, the same in Spanish and all other languages, Chinese, Russian, and Swahili. If there\u2019s another language \u2013 French \u2013 I believe that was all. All those \u2013 Italian, too \u2013 I want them all up there so you can have them on a slip, if you were called on, you could answer those in languages. It will impress people and will cause others to copu\u2013 cooperate with this great model of socialism, and emulate it around the world and get support for it, and strengthen our possibilities, if worse came to worse, of having a haven in a paradise o\u2013 in the Soviet Union.<\/p>\n

Much love. Much love, and I want to see a lot of studying now in the library. Be in there fast and furious tonight. I\u2019m asking it because of all these people coming tomorrow. That\u2019s why we have to have a great deal of pressure. And I want a great deal of pressure on cleaning up that playground, everything. Trying to\u2013 m\u2013 m\u2013 we haven\u2019t had too much rain, s\u2013 rake off the mud as much as you can in the dry, so everything will look as attractive as possible. And I\u2019m counting on teachers, I\u2019m counting on medical people, public service union, and inspectors to be responsible for this place being in apple pie order, because if we win this, the next few days, the sky\u2019s the limit for you, darlings. That\u2019s why I\u2019m pushing. Knowledge and work. Thank you, and I love you.<\/p>\n

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Part 3:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Attention, attention. Due to the fact it was not taped, and I want all to get this message. Due to Kay Nelson, black, and Charlie Touchette, white, both came from prejudicial backgrounds against people of different colors, they have been doing fantastic teamwork in Georgetown, already got us a 33,000 dollar clear order. And we can make more. I know Ruby [Carroll] and her team will push even faster. You can budget exactly how much time that it will take. Three thousand of those beautiful Mickey Mouses will make us 3000 co\u2013 j\u2013 just selling them to Guyana stores. Anything we sell privately, we could cu\u2013 we\u2019d cut out the middle person. But we\u2019re taking this order because it\u2019ll be impressive to the government and will make us 33,000 dollars.<\/p>\n

So please, all of you, put your inge\u2013 ingeniousness together on things that can be made. Several have, like that folding chair. To me, that has ideal opportunities. And uh, the brooms. We need to uh\u2013 Remind, by the way, 8R1, our radio staff tomorrow, to check very pointedly about those brooms, the buckets that uh, were made by Ken [Norton, aka Richard Grubbs]. Also, I want [to] urge you, you must \u2013 I\u2019m saying this over because I didn\u2019t tape it \u2013 you\u2019ve got to get in there as early, or tonight if you can\u2019t sleep, it\u2019s the only time I\u2019ve asked you to ha\u2013 infringe upon your rest, study those Chinese, Russian, Swahili, Spanish, Portuguese \u2013 I think I may have missed one \u2013 French, greetings of peace and good will. You\u2019ve got to have the right answers on the People\u2019s National Congress being our party, it\u2019s a non-aligned nation, and we stand for non-alignment. When we\u2013 When the Russians come, we tell them how much we identify with all<\/em> Soviet positions, how loyal we are. That still doesn\u2019t take away from a non-aligned position. The Soviets often encourage non-alignment, when there\u2019s dangers from fascists surrounding them.<\/p>\n

As you know, this is a tricky business. We believe this man is sincere. He would have to be gotten out tonight to get here, because he was terrified. He feels they already know something, and that\u2019s possible that we have another agent in our Temple. That\u2019s why Marceline [Jones] and Hue [Fortson] and uh, Paula [Adams] and Terri Buford need to get back there. And Leona [Collier] needs a rest from over-taxation, Jean Brown and also Sandy [Bradshaw] and June [Crym]. So we have to do this. We\u2019ve got a way of getting free tickets, due to the remarkable connection that we have here in Guyana, so some of it won\u2019t cost us anything. If it did, we couldn\u2019t afford it.<\/p>\n

Now if you see any problems, any of you, in any of the people I selected to go, tell me about it. Hue Fortson, Paula Adams, Marceline, and uh, Terri Buford. My own opinion, they have proven to be steady and competent, but they\u2019ll have to work harder, not waste any moments, get to as many people as possible, because more and more people are becoming popular supporters now, in that they\u2019ve heard about this conspiracy. And we\u2013 we have a whole sets of advice that I\u2019ve given tonight on getting in contact with all of our friends, name everything except the individual until the individual is at safety. Just say, hi, businessperson. Step forward with nothing to gain, but could not stomach the thought that they were dealing with killers and mercenaries, and had read between the lines that this really was a wonderful community, because of the way I love children and senior citizens and battle for all people when they\u2019re faced with the illegal court system that favors capitalism. I think that\u2019s all that I said earlier. Unfortunately, they\u2013 they\u2013 they did not tape it, and I had to repeat it. No blame on them, I\u2013 I don\u2019t even know that I made the emphasis, but automatically, ask me that, in the radio technical room, where uh\u2013 that gives me the possibility of saying whether or not I want it taped. Does anyone uh, here with me in the office uh, while I stand by for a moment, remember anything else. Over.<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> Attention, attention. Tell Joyce Touchette if she\u2019s not listening, that the request made of Maria [Katsaris] uh, and Carolyn [Layton] from our standpoint that will help the cause even more, will be taken of. It was a wonderful productive idea. As I said, this good news of making money lowered my temperature to normal now. It is exactly normal, and it was 103. I know I could be around and be strengthening you, giving you opportunities to travel all over the world. There\u2019s more than one nation that\u2019s offered us sanctuary, to build our own Jonestown collective, and uh\u2013 both of those nations are quite modern, but I\u2019m not going to ma\u2013 mention it, because there\u2019s possibility of CI agent in our ranks. And security, be very alert. They are, believe me, I observe during the night, as I never sleep. They are. But you can\u2019t be too alert.<\/p>\n

Each of you take note. The minute that man comes in, I will identify him with a brisk handshake. I will hug Charles Garry, I will hug Mark Lane, a great author, Rush to Judgment<\/em>. I really don\u2019t like that concept of just clasping hands, but it\u2019s normal, I have not met him before, so I\u2019ll be very friendly appearing, because there\u2019s a possibility that he\u2019s a double agent, but not likely, because he is terrified that they will murder him, and has said so, and that they have no interest in John [Victor Stoen] at all, it was just uh\u2013 means of trying to get us to destroy ourselves because they are fearful that we have so much influence here and in such a large number. That\u2019s how the deviate [Tim] Stoen operates. He has been proven now to be in the CIA. Jim Cobb, Deanna Mertle, and one you wouldn\u2019t know, [David] Conn with Big Oil, Standard Oil, who was in the mess early, and people like Christine, with good ears, Christine Lucientes, listened and heard them speak of numbers that they could call of\u2013 of police officials.<\/p>\n

So we\u2019re\u2013 we\u2019re on top of it. Things are moving our way. And let us be sure we beautify this place from stem to stern. I\u2019d like to see everyone check with the m\u2013 nursery till every bare space is cleared. And as Vernetta Christian mentioned, we\u2019ve got to do something about that playground. And others have mentioned it. We\u2019ve got to do something to see that that playground has its weeds down. Every little thing. (Pause) You know how capitalists are, and the bi\u2013 upcoming end of the community that wants to be planted and everything looks ship\u2013 top order.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s little holes in those original buildings, if there\u2019s anything we could do to even patch them over, because the light shows. Doesn\u2019t make any difference from our care, because we get the best care in that, but those were the original buildings, and it\u2019s too bad we didn\u2019t have time to replace them.<\/p>\n

We want to scrape over the mud, try to avoid taking our tractors in and out, or if we do, do it around about lane, behind the uh\u2013 oh, what do they call it, the uh\u2013 one of the small nurseries, right across from the dining room area. (Pause) So we won\u2019t have a lot of mess, and we can clear it out and plant things everywhere, so they\u2019ll see how valuable we consider food and contributing food to this nation and to others.<\/p>\n

As you know \u2013 and maybe you don\u2019t know \u2013 two handsome young Guyanese are being considered, young males, for membership tomorrow. One has been so ill that he\u2019s had no uh\u2013 because they only had one breakfast today. Uh, both of them have suffered, but ladies, take your time, show principle, don\u2019t open your mouth too much, praise the place highly, what has been done for it. Sooner or later, somebody will be dating the person, that\u2019s all right. And there may be three<\/em>. But we want to be sure. They’re young \u2013 16, 17 \u2013 but CIA uses anyone. So we\u2019ll be testing closely, but we have very good reason to believe that the two will be suitable candidates. Reason we do it? We can\u2019t<\/em> afford it, but Guyana will feel better about us because some people have given the attitude that uh, (pause) you know, well, Jonestown, Americans don\u2019t want to uh, mingle with the Guyanese. Well, we already have Guyanese. And so, we\u2019re going to be taking on young people, people who are not so (unintelligible word) in their ways. Some have begged<\/em> to come in here and do any kind of work, and work 18 hours a day. So it ought to put us to shame. Let\u2019s build our ranks and crews, and I won\u2019t hinder if we do sometime feel that by necessity that we want to go to that one beautiful nation, the USSR, or another lovely nation, equally lovely, equally modern, they will be able to go also, because they will be of uh\u2013 of age, and it can be worked out anyway.<\/p>\n

But Guyana\u2019s our home. We want to help build it here, and we\u2019re bringing the eyes of the world on Guyana. I just want something in case we need it. The talk of the news this minute is very frightening. It\u2013 A real nuclear talk. If it\u2019s nuclear war, we\u2019ll be here, and we\u2019ll be safe. But in the meantime, we would like freedom from harassment, so our leader could not have to spend every night up worrying about details, and so many of his secretaries. It takes us all night on these damn radios. All night long. I wanted to get that across, to appeal to you to pick up\u2013 I still had to pick up so much today, and I was feverish<\/em>, very feverish. In fact, no business, and my joints were stiffened from whatever virus it is. I know I\u2019ve healed the cancer in me, but there\u2019s something else, and it\u2019s taking great deal of toll. I have high blood pressure, but I\u2019m going to be around a long while, particularly when I keep getting news like that, that there is three\u2013 30,000 dollars\u2013 33,000 dollars made for this community by three hun\u2013 3000 dolls. Go to work, dear ones, make as many as you can, because if that one Guyana store that is socialistic and owned by the government, they usually don\u2019t pay as much uh\u2013 naturally so<\/em>, because they want to balance uh, payments and have profits to share equally amongst the people. But if you could think of anything else you can make that we can sell privately, but we\u2019ve already given our deadline goal. It was October thirty-first, as I recall, and we want those three thousand\u2013 and we\u2019re ordering plastics, I just did, to secure them, so we\u2019ll have that, 33,000. That should cause everyone to feel gratitude in their heart of hearts. I love you so much. I (unintelligible as voice fades)\u2013<\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> Attention, attention. I appreciate already receiving some suggestions about the four that\u2019ve been sought and approved thus far to go to the United States. Some of you have written in different opinions, not reflecting on the morals or the character of any. Some however have reflected that it should be one of my sons. That would be a great mistake, because that person would not possibly<\/em> avoid the kind of conspiracy we have to be set up, or to be kidnapped for ransom. Marceline is a senior like myself, m\u2013 middle years. It\u2019s much easier if you run into any legal kind of set-ups. The courts are always more easily. And she and I have a pact, if any of those types of things arise, but to put my sons in that capacity would seem foolhardy to me. I appreciate those of you that think that they would give the best trust, and that I don\u2019t doubt, but I don\u2019t see putting my children there, unless some of you have a legal insight, don\u2019t hesitate to argue with me, and only two<\/em> have written up, and they wrote up very good points, about person\u2019s willingness to take criticism and so forth, so I want you to write. You are the people, and we believe in the voice of the people governing us, so put more in the suggestion box tonight again, \u2018cause we unlock it every so often and pick out any suggestion that is there. Please continue with that process, because time is running out. Otherwise I wouldn\u2019t be talking uh, at this hour of the night. But I have to get this situation taken care of soon, and I hope that all of you understand and appreciate that. I wouldn\u2019t interrupt your sleep otherwise. That\u2019s why I said, you ought to burn the midnight oil, to learn Russian and Chinese\u2013 Russian as a language<\/em>, more Russian than anything, but we don\u2019t tell the outside that we\u2019re studying more Russian than we are Chinese, and that we study Portuguese, Spanish and German, as well as Swahili, and it seems Italian and some other nation I have forgotten. (Pause) What languages? Stand by, I\u2019ll ask one of the operators here.<\/p>\n

Attention, attention, attention. Margarita [Davis] \u2013 Margaret, as we call her, Maria \u2013 will also be showing us Greek on the blackboard. This is to be written in the morning, so we can give the phrases of \u201cI greet you in peace\u201d or \u201cWe want peace\u201d in Greek, Spanish, the native language of our forefathers and mothers, Swahili. Jack Barron the chemist will help us correctly, and Johnny Senior [Johnny Moss Brown], my son, with German, French, a phrase in French. Some of them are very short, but we want to study, and we tell people that come in, that we study all<\/em> languages, and of course, we study Chinese, and you have those phrases surely by now, and Russian. That\u2019s why I would<\/em> like for some of you to spend this midnight oil, because it\u2019s getting so close. The first of our delegation come tomorrow. The Woman\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement come tomorrow, as well as (pause) our\u2013 our eminent attorney, Carl, uh, Charles Garry, and then the provocateur in the past who has now said he is afraid for his life and can\u2019t go along with their senseless plans of murder. I emphasize again, you don\u2019t go up and start conversation with any, say\u2013 you can wave, you can smile, you can (pause) say all kinds of good things, be sure to stress, you wouldn\u2019t live any other place, you wouldn\u2019t go back to USA for anything, but this will be important that we have our education clearly down, down pat. So I urge you, urge all of you, to please study more than you usually would, study the back pages of the news. It is very essential. News over the past weeks, so I can ask questions, maybe you\u2013 you could volunteer, and Ava [Jones], and I\u2019ll say Paula who\u2019s there could pre-arrange the questions I would ask some people that might be a little more complicated. It\u2019s very important, although some of you will be getting special honors and bonuses of time off for those that answer<\/em> the questions, so we will not strict\u2013 strictly follow that guideline. We want to be spontaneous, but certain complicated questions, as to the ma\u2013 the major enemies as communists see it, we could put that, if this conspic\u2013 this conspirator\u2019s there, as communists see it, we could say the major enemies, and then the intricate things of world news, the history of African nations, some of that should be arranged for a special person to respond, and I should know in advance who that will be. That\u2019ll be only a short time of it, that you take your written test, that you all must do, for uh, (Pause) the uh\u2013 because the life goes on as usual. But then some others will get extra<\/em> bonus for standing up.<\/p>\n

Those that passed last week\u2019s test don\u2019t have to take one. We would appreciate your getting a bonus, though, so that\u2019ll mean you don\u2019t take an\u2013 another written test, and the bonus tests are much easier for people who listen at all. However, you are not responsible to take any test, but anyone that wants to volunteer and suggestions of complication questions that shows immense amounts of theory and understanding, would be deeply appreciated.<\/p>\n

Again, I say I\u2019m sorry to have to talk at this hour of the night, but people ought to be reviewing the news everywhere. My temperature\u2019s up again, because\u2013 for a moment, I got a great relief from Kay Nelson and Charlie Touchette making 33,000 dollars for us, and the beautiful people here under Ruby, working with Ruby, that have made it possible. All of us must come up with more ideas. We want to remind the headquarters, if the brooms, if\u2013 would not be worthwhile for us to sell. If we could get a cost analysis, of what it cost [to] make them and then a price contrast.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m sure<\/em> we can make<\/em> it. We must<\/em>, and then we can free all<\/em> the people. Some of your family members have called the Temple already. We don\u2019t have the list with us, they\u2019ve not sent it down, who have been hostile<\/em>, wanting to move to Guyana, and there\u2019re literally hundreds<\/em> of people who have never in our church, black and sometimes white, not to mention the uh, people in prison<\/em>, I\u2019m talking about ordinary citizens who are begging to come here, including a very famous, outstanding Disciple of Christ pastor in Sacramento. People are seeing the handwriting on the ra\u2013 on the wall, but we\u2019ve got to make money so we can decrease crowding and put more food on the table, but we should be thankful to eat at all, when this little boy that\u2019s coming in, that we\u2019re going to bring into community tomorrow, it looks like, if everything goes right, he only had one meal a day, a breakfast of bread and some sort of rice. So one<\/em> meal, that\u2019s all he had, and he said, this is uh, such a wonderful place, and he never asked to come. And that\u2019s why I feel he would\u2013 they say the handsome lad, I\u2019ve not seen him personally. Both<\/em> of them are. And this gives an opportunity for us to balance out male versus females, so that they can be sure<\/em> that everyone here will have a companion, and that we will grow, because we must grow. That\u2019s our absolute duty, to grow, but clear\u2013 all intentions of pregnancy must be cleared for\u2013 from me, because I have to deal with the budget. If we have a few more ventures like Kay and Charlie Touchette did, getting us a 33,000 clear cut contract, it actually was 54,000, and I\u2019m not sure we can\u2019t beat, uh, knowing Ruby and her staff, a cost of seven dollars and a half to make<\/em> them. But it\u2019s a 54 dollar\u2013 54,000 gross, and 33,000 net.<\/p>\n

Thank you very much, and much love. I\u2019d like to see some more people burning the midnight oil, to study that tape, you all<\/em> have to know that tape, on the right answers to people when they ask you questions. So let\u2019s be listening to it heavily, and I must<\/em> demand that tomorrow morning, the first thing, that we start planning all the areas that still look messy or muddy or barren, and we mu\u2013 uh, clean up everything and particularly, everybody must have a flyswatter tomorrow, or we shall walk up to you and you shall go immediately to Public Services. Keep this on your mind and heart. This will be replayed with a\u2013 with my morning news, which will come on at the usual time. Thank you, and much love.<\/p>\n

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