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Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III<\/strong><\/i>. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013to fire Agricultural Minister Luis Sisa (phonetic) conservatives pulled out of the government coalition headed by Prime Minister Mario Soares on July 24. It has prompted the\u2013 the resignation of Sa\u2013 Mario\u2019s S\u2013 Prime Minister\u2019s Mario Soares. Conservatives are angered over Sisa\u2019s failure to break up the socialist collective farms run by the Portuguese Communist Party, PCP, in the Southern Ilentasial [phonetic]. In response, the Socialist Party released a typical militant statement saying, unlike the s\u2013 extreme right, which intrigued via newspapers and back\u2013 backroom gossip, the democratic forces know how to fight in the streets if nece\u2013 if necessary. They received a pledge of close to one third of the army, so socialism is long from dead in Portugal, in spite\u2013 in spite of the uh, International Monetary Fund trying to cripple her and bring her to the knee\u2013 uh, her knees. They will not hesitate, said these militant and brave people, to do so, if the need arises. Karl Marx and Lenin and Mao [Tse-Tung], greater men than us, said the only way for change is armed struggle. Now the socialism\u00ad\u2013 or the socialists\u2019 only means of remaining in power as a minority government will be with the support of the Communist members in the National Assembly, a coalition long called for by the PCP, which will open in October. There seems to be encouraging signs that the Socialists and the Communists are getting their act together. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Going on with the news. A 24-hour nationwide work stoppage demanding the resignation of Nicaragua president or dictator Anastasio Somoza, who has been upheld for 44 years by US capitalism, brought this country to an absolute star\u2013 standstar\u2013 standstill for the last three weeks. The general strike, which began first in July 19, was called by the broad opposition front, comprised of 14 political groups, including the Nicaraguan Socialist Party and the Nicaraguan Democratic Movement and the Sandinista National Liberation, that is pro-Cuban. Nicaragua\u2019s guerilla movement has pulled itself together in spite of ideological differences. A strange phenomena is sweeping Latin America. In Colombia and in Ecuador and Bolivia, people are dropping labels, are not fussing over social democracy, Trotskyism, Maoism, or pro-uh, Russia, they are getting themselves together with\u2013 in a common front to defeat the enemy. Violent clashes between government National Guards and citizens have taken place every day for weeks. The number of\u2013 numbers of the people killed, wounded and imprisoned, just taken away and their relatives don\u2019t know where they are, is\u2013 are\u2013 is completely unknown at this time. When a group of prominent exiled opposition figures returned to the country to a welcoming uh\u2013 de\u2013 de\u2013 demonstration of one\u2013 no, 250,000 who had gathered despite an order that they were violating a crime by Nicaragua, who has long been the willing servant of the CIA. It was from Nicaragua that the pirated\u2013 pura\u2013 Cu\u2013 rightwing Cubans invaded the beautiful Soviet so\u2013 socialist country of Cuba.<\/p>\n

So, liberation rings on, my dears. Doesn\u2019t look like you can stop the pant in the heart of the people for freedom. (aside) Hold it up. (back to mike)<\/p>\n

Continuing with the news. The Peoples Republic of Laos has publicly declared its support for neighboring socialist Vietnam, and has asked for membership in the pro-Soviet Warsaw Pact. Uh\u2013 The Vietnamese reunified socialist government, as you know, is facing attacks from both China and Kampuchea. Kampuchea started as a socialist revolution, but n\u2013 nationalist elements of the Khmer Rouge took over. Kampuchea is known in the white circles as Cambodia. The declaration was published as an editorial to the official Laotian newspaper, Voices of People<\/em>, and aired over Laos radio just yesterday. The invisible block of unity of the two nations is firm as ever, the broadcast said. We will stand by the side of the brave Vietnamese people who are determined to smash all divisive schemes of the imperialist and the international reactionary forces, and they named China as amongst those circles, and resolutely defend the cause of great unity between Laos and Vietnam. You always have to keep in mind, China has a very good form of domestic communism, but her foreign policy is based on an arbitrary\u2013 arbitrary position, that there is no way to avoid nuclear war, so you should get it a\u2013 get it o\u2013 on with so that places like this that\u2019ve been called zones of peace will survive and socialism can rebuild. Of course, admittedly, the fact that they can house nearly 700,000 of their own people in underground cities doesn\u2019t play any small spar\u2013 any small part in their scheme.<\/p>\n

Santiago de Chile. Continuing evidence\u2013 (off mike) Get water\u2013 (back to mike) linking\u2013 (Pause) Excuse me, I had to take a little water, I\u2019ve been up all night. We had to take care of somebody\u2019s need, uh, a son of a dear lady in\u2013 in Oakland, we had to work out some strategy, and I haven\u2019t had any time for sleep, and I really am feeling it. But I\u2019ll come through, don\u2019t you worry. I\u2019ll be in there pitching.<\/p>\n

Anyway, as I said. Continuing evidence linking the S\u2013 Chilean government and secret policy to the murder of Orlando Letelier, who we met personally, and I had a sort of feeling, I just begged him, as you remember, to stay in our San Francisco Temple, but he felt he must go to Washington, and his assistant, Ronni Moffitt, in Washington DC. They were murdered, as you know, blown up\u2013 has brought about an expected split in the country\u2019s military junta with the ouster of Air Force general Gustavo Leigh. Capitalists always don\u2019t mind selling out capitalists, that\u2019s why there\u2019s only security in socialism, because we have always lived through the years, one for all, all for one. If you come for one, you damn better well be able to take care of all. But that is not the law of capitalism, not at all. Leigh had been one of the four-member junta, the dictatorship, since the overthrow of democracy in 1973 with the help of the CIA, and was one of the principal instigators of the military coup. That means the army taking over by force.<\/p>\n

In other news, literally thousands of students demonstrated in this capital city of Santiago, demanding an end to fascist repression, freedom for all political prisoners, and a return to democratic order. Public demonstrations are illegal in Chile, and cover a minimum of twenty years. That ought to give us heart to build in an atmosphere where we have<\/em> no natural enemies, where we have beauty. Some of you say you all want to go over, go someplace in Africa, and fight a revolution. That\u2019s right. We\u2019ve let them know we\u2019re here, and when they need us, they will call. In the meantime, if you can\u2019t do a few little chores right, I don\u2019t think you\u2019re ready for the kind of resistance that these brave young people showed in Chile.<\/p>\n

The government of Panama recently released a 14-page document laying a basis for the country\u2019s foreign policy, a policy of shock through most of the Western world, calling for the United States to give up its Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba, self-determination for Puerto Rico, and them to have the right of independence, and a return of all occupied Arab land to it\u2013 uh, by Zionist Israel. The document also calls for efforts to establish normal relations between the US and Cuba, and the end to a US trade embargo against the country. The brave little nation of Panama also said they firmly were behind the right of the Cubans and the Soviets to help Africans when they needed liberation from oppression. That\u2019s a brave statement from a little country. (covers mike)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013message on our field phone. Khartoum. You remember Khartoum, Sudan, was the meeting place of the Or\u2013 Organization of African Unity, some 50 nations that voted, I think, unanimously \u2013 maybe one, Senegal, uh, did not go along \u2013 they voted unanimously for a Pan-African peacekeeping force, but they wanted no Western capitalist nations involved. Well\u2013 in Khartoum. Angolian\u2013 Angolan President Agostinho Neto, speaking in the Sudan, where the Organization of Africa U\u2013 African Unity met some weeks ago, said his country was prepared to establish normal relations, but the USA\u2013 with the de\u2013 with the USA, but only on Angola\u2019s terms, which include that they will be forever the fraternal friends in trade, economics and culture with Cuba and the Soviet Union. Neto also said, there were no further obstacles to his country establishing diplomatic relations with neighboring Zaire, who\u2019s been the fooler, I suppose, of the last 20 years. Mobutu Seseko [Sese Seko] was a rightwing dictator, strong-armed, but he had a passionate hate for Christians, because Zaire had lost so many of its population \u2013 of course, it wasn\u2019t named Zaire then \u2013 to the slave trade. Anyway, when he found out he was being uns\u2013 undersold in the value of his minerals \u2013 and you know Zaire is rich in cobalt, uranium, copper \u2013 he immediately formed an alliance with Marxist-Leninist Angola, re-established the railway, and have formed treaties\u2013 uh, mutual treaties of defense, that if Angola is attacked, Zaire will come to her aid and vice versa. Anyway, the diplomatic relations with neighboring Zaire are fully established, and that a committee is being organized in Khartoum from Nigeria, Cameroon, Rwanda and Sudan to supervise the situation of the problems that might arise in the Namibian border where Union of South Africa has frequently attacked with our tax money, which always makes me feel guilty, every time I mention it.<\/p>\n

The Mexican Communist Party demanded recently that the Mexican Labor Congress approve a general differential salary raise in the upcoming General Assembly. The MCP said the working class should be fully aware of the fact that capitalist theory that wage increases make for more inflation, is a fallacy aimed at blocking workers\u2019 legitimate claims. It is estimated that the Mexican Communist Party in the last year has increased its membership three times.<\/p>\n

More than 130 people have been arrested for union activities by the military government in Bolivia, but the resistance continues to go on. The action came shortly after the Air Force general Juan Pereda took over the country in a one-day rebellion and cancelled vote-counting in presidential elections, because he had been found guilty of fraud in the elections just a few days before. Opposition candidate, former president Victor Paz Estenssoro said the army should face violence\u2013 (Pause) could face violence from the people unless new elections were allowed. Another candidate, former president Hernan Siles Zuazo, said he would call on the United Nations to send a commission to Bolivia, and if that doesn\u2019t work, I\u2019ll call for Cuba, if the denial of democracy and human rights persist. The Bolivian military dictatorship has hardly no more control than the capital city of La Paz.<\/p>\n

Attention. Adopt metric system now, as we are doing in our schools, according to our beloved prime minister\u2019s request. Guyana\u2019s schools are urged, the\u2013 the metric system replacing the imperial weights and measure system should be introduced into Guyana schools into the very first part of the coming academic year. Let\u2019s show our pride and our support for the prime minister [Forbes Burnham], and our party, the People\u2019s National Congress, by so doing.<\/p>\n

Guyanese join world solidarity with Cuba [Chile]. The People\u2019s National Congress, the avant garde, as the Russians would say, or Socialism in Guyana, and people in Guyana are standing firmly<\/em> behind the working people of Chile in their c\u2013 con\u2013 their continuing<\/em> struggle to regain the freedom for which their ancestors fought and died. We join enthusiastically with the PNC in the week of the world solidarity with the Chilean people, stimulated by the World Peace Council, our membership of which is a source of national pride. An afternoon wreath-laying ceremony at the Yamuna\u2013 Yana Freedom Fighters Monument will launch a week of activities from September fourth through eleven. Included in the activities is a symposium of the Georgetown\u2013 the\u2013 of the\u2013 of the George\u2013 g\u2013 town City Hall on Thursday night at 7, together with film shows about the beautiful achievements of Guyana and the sufferings of our Chilean brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n

Also you know, Guyana has called out for an absolute protection of the territory of Belize. US imperialism has been supporting Guatemala, but Cuba and Guyana have said that any attack on Belize will be considered an attack on the Guyanese people. (speaks off mike) (returns) \u2013about some farm matter, easily resolved. According to the Guyana national news services, The Nation<\/em>, the International Tribunal Youth accuses US imperialism became one of the central political events of the 11th<\/sup> World Festival of Youth and Students. The younger generation passed its verdict on colonialism, all forms of discrimination, aggression, terror, (pause) repressions and fascism. Fascism remains one of the most important<\/em> instruments, said the PNC, our party\u2019s delegation, of reaction. Fascist parties and groupings operate in 60 countries today. An example of such is the regime of [Augusto] Pinochet, a murderous man who had employed the worst kinds of torture, much of which had been taught him by elements of the CIA, says the news service. Anyway, the\u2013 one of the worst fascists to remain today is Pinochet, after he took over in a junta, a military uh, takeover, made possible, even US press has admitted it b\u2013 only by US dollars.<\/p>\n

An example of such a regime is also in the Philippines, but it appears that the Philippines may be moving further away from the capitalist alliance. It does not elaborate what the reason is. His wife [Imelda Marcos] is quite outspoken. They were sold a faulty and leaky nuclear reactor, and she said that Ch\u2013 Chairman Mao\u2013 Mao was her hero, and that she was going to copy the Philippine government after China. So her husband [Ferdinand Marcos] must be in for a little difficulty.<\/p>\n

Three months ago, Raul Vergado [Vergara], captain of Chile\u2019s Air Force, was still in one of the prisons of Sin\u2013 Santiago. On April 15, he was forced into a car and sometime later found himself at the re\u2013 ramp of a plane, which the day after ha\u2013 handed\u2013 landed in London. The junta had thus evicted from (pause) him\u2013 they evicted him from his own country as a follower of the popular unity government, and Captain Vera\u2013 Ver\u2013 Vergara was arrested. Vergara was arrested the day after the military took over and was fully accomplished. Says the people of Guyana will continue t\u2013 in spite of our own struggle to develop our c\u2013 economy to give absolute support to the struggle of the people in Chile. This is a brave nation to be so small, 83,000 [square] miles, barely the size of northern California, with only 700,000 population, but in fact it\u2019s the best ratio of land to people that there are in the world. They can feed many more. It\u2019s the least crowded, and there\u2019s more land per individual than any nation under the earth and\u2013 on the earth, and needless to say, everyplace we go is nothing but fantastic beauty. (covers mike) (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013broken out between SWAPO, Southwestern African Peoples Organization, and South African forces, says the Guyana Chronicle<\/em>. (Pause) At present, a military confrontation appears to be developing between South Africa and the Namibian SWAPO freedom fighters, because one agreement after another have been broken by the racist apartheid regime of South Africa. This is why we love the People\u2019s National Congress so much. They do not cut themselves off from the world\u2019s struggle of oppressed people everywhere. Others who preceded them and said they were so Marxist-oriented, I notice they never put out any policy statements on Africa. I notice they did do nothing to confiscate the land and distribute it fairly to the people. But in this land, the prime minister bravely has distributed ninety percent, nearly, of all the means of production and means of di\u2013 of distribution to all the people. The world\u2019s progressive peoples are fully aware of the military potential of South Africa, which has been nurtured over the years by covert and sometimes overt military transactions and manufactures. With (Pause) imperialist states and their puppets, the United States and the United Nations also, said the PNC national organ, New Nation<\/em>, the United States however is\u2013 the United State\u2013 United Nations rather, ever sic\u2013 sensitive to issues that are a threat to world peace, recently adopted a comprehensive declaration of program and action in support of self-determination and socialism and national independence for Namibia. As I say again, for a small nation, with no nuclear arsenal, you can\u2019t ask for any more bravery than that. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Stand by.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013(unintelligible word) the recent issue of the people\u2019s New Nation<\/em>, the organ of our beloved party, for which we will live or die, the People\u2019s National Congress, the ne\u2013 the issue of power is fundamental to any revolution. The fact that socialist revolution in all countries and under all circumstances has the same political purpose behind it that bringing the working class to power does not<\/em> mean that it assumes that the same forms everywhere will be practiced. There can be different ways of pulling down the bourgeoisie state mechanism or machine, designed to oppress the working people. The organ of the People\u2019s National Congress, the New Nation<\/em>, goes on to say, Marxism-Leninism considers no method or forms of winning political power to have been established once\u2013 (Pause) to have been established once\u2013 (Pause) Uh, somebody\u2019s asked me a question, I\u2019ll have to answer it. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013 in all countries and under all circumstances has the same political purpose behind it. That is hogwash. That of bringing the working class to power does not<\/em> mean\u2013 does not\u2013 (pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013ion, attention, attention. Excuse the fact please that I\u2019ve been up several nights and days, fighting this horrible conspiracy with our wonderful attorney, Charles Garry. It\u2019s staggering to the imagination. Also, we\u2019re having some P.A. problems. But they\u2019ll be able to refine those out, so you can hear the news in the library. I\u2019m very sorry also that I have a la\u2013 laryngitic voice that makes for unpleasant listening. Anyway, the socialist revolution in all countries and under all countries, revolution in the countries and under the countries\u2013 (Pause) of all<\/em> the countries and under the countries and under the\u2013 the various struggles and number of circumstances has the (Pause) same political purpose\u2013 has the same political purpose, no matter what method they use. Anyway, Guyana is standing by fully<\/em> the struggle for liberation in Belize and any other Caribbean nation that is attacked. We cannot be grateful enough to live in a country. It ought to inspire us to great work, to help produce a great nation who gives so much of her limited resources to other nations resisting oppression. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman\u2019s voice:<\/strong> Hello? Jim? (Pause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013flame throat, and our tape is not too effective today. Needless to say, my lack of sleep for now going on the fourth day, so I think I will turn you over to an important treaties [treatise] that was en\u2013 endorsed by the PNC about Fascism and its roots. So listen very, very closely. The librarian will help you. I know you\u2019re not accustomed to hearing my voice in this fashion. It\u2019s just one of those days. I\u2019ve got a temperature of a hundred and three, and laryngitis, and as all of you know, I sure don\u2019t drink, and I oppose (pause) drugs with every sinew and fiber in my bones. But I would rather you hear something more fluent, because I am so tired, that I feel almost like going to sleep while giving the news. So I\u2019ll give you my own introduction with commentary, using such good sources as our friend Dr. [Ptolemy] Reid, chairman of the People\u2019s National Congress, our great avant garde socialist leader in this country. Much love to you. Let\u2019s have a good work day so we can take in more<\/em> adopted children, like we did those two lads who were in a very, very bad state of the health yesterday. One, if we had not caught, would probably have been dead in two or three months. But in order to do that, comrades, we must work as hard as we can. And it\u2019s all voluntary\u2013 voluntary, we don\u2019t have any means of enforcing work, so please, out of your heart, do the best you can. Much love to you. I cannot extend love enough, because the world is dying, they say, for a little bit of love. Good morning, and the best to all of you. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

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Part II:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>He\u2019s a clever man [Joe Mazor<\/a>]. He\u2019s a genius. So let us have everything in apple pie order, public services, inspectors, nurses and doc\u2013 and\u2013 and teachers. I am holding you responsible for the collective. He\u2019ll be in approximately two hours, I would say, two hours uh\u2013 no\u2013 no later than two to three hours. But let\u2019s be ready, because he\u2019ll be flying in\u2013 yes, he\u2019ll be flying in direct, so let us be sure that we are ready. Be warm, but don\u2019t go into a lot of conversation with the man, just tell him how much, as you\u2019ve told me, that you love Guyana and all the beautiful things about Guyana, but don\u2019t let him get you into a trick to talk about other governments. That\u2019s not the purpose of his visit. (Pause) His visit allegedly, supposedly, is to divulge facts and how high the conspiracy \u2013 the same conspirators that murdered Martin Luther King \u2013 how high it goes. So I urge you, being honest and humble people that you are, you really don\u2019t know how to deal with a conspirator, because he easily<\/em> could be a double agent. And the government trusts us. They got him this special flight, but they watched him very closely. Already last night, he made some strange moves, according to the commissioner\u2019s police department, the department of im\u2013 immigration. So I\u2019m telling you, be your usual warm sense. Don\u2019t ostracize him. Maybe Judases do change. But remember, just a few weeks ago, he was trying to help<\/em> that very cause of dropping mercenaries<\/em> in this community by air to, if necessary, shoot<\/em> their way through to get some people that they wanted to get. I mention that so that uh, teachers will remind their students and we\u2019ll all<\/em> be reminding each other. Be sure that everything is in apple pie order. Your dress\u2013 We don\u2019t worry about those things when we have people, good socialists, like the Women\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement, my heart shall never forget them, and the good dentist who has been so kind to help, (clears throat) and of course, Charles Garry, a great champion for all oppressed people, but we must<\/em> be careful with the man, Mazor. He will be the only person arriving by guest, unless the PAA\u2013 the PA system tells you otherwise. Thank you, and very much love.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/strong>Dad? Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, yes. What\u2019s the matter now?<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013 has been such a voluntary helper to our people, and we really and genuinely appreciate this. We are not opposed to President Carter. We are not p\u2013 opposed to the trends of change in the United States, but like even Newsweek<\/em> said in a front cover page, the nation of the United States is moving rightward to racism and all the clich\u00e9s and all of the practices of the Cold War era. But we want the news\u2013 the dentist [presumably Dr. Patrick Ng-a-Fook] to know deep from our heart, our gratitude, that anything\u2013 also that those beautiful women from the Women\u2019s Revolutionary Socialist Movement would like to take home in the way of some food trait\u2013 treat they can eat on the way, it would be our honor, our honor. You did us so much good, singing those lively socialist songs. We really enjoyed it more than we can tell you. And we say, long life to you, comrades, and thank you for making us feel uh, much less alienated. Thank you for the time coming out to spend with us, and we will look forward to the day that you can visit us again. Much love.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/strong>Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013 have also a prominent government minister visiting us in just a little while. Do not confuse him with the white man, Mazor. What does his style look like? What size? Maybe someone who has seen him can get on the broadcast system and tell you. The government of Guyana is a\u2013 is afraid that he is a double agent. He\u2019s been saying that the rest of the conspiracy have only been using us to attack Guyana, and try to destabilize their country\u2019s economy. We must be careful with him. You can hug him, you can shake hands. I know that\u2019s not our nature to hug people unless we feel<\/em> like it, but that\u2019s what we were advised to do by members of the government. Not to make him suspicious.<\/p>\n

Of course, the difference will be, the minister will be black or Indian. There\u2019s no likelihood that there\u2019ll be a government minister of high rank in our beloved country who is white. So, be sure you make the difference. Have all your displays out so you can explain what we\u2019re doing. [It] Will mean two tours going at the same time. He is supposed to arrive around noon, in fact, around the same time that Mazor does. But I think the government wants certain things kept secret until we get to the bottom of this. So we will not discuss it openly. Uh\u2013 And we trust our guest by the fact that we said we knew they would do the same. It will come out in its own due time. He tells some horrifying tales of the plans, not in 1974, not in 1970 [1961] when they were trying to destroy the Cubans at the Bay of Pigs, not two years ago, when he brought an airline\u2013 when they brought an airline out the air by an explosion that killed 12 of our most promising doctors in Guyana. No, no. But we must realize that we are dealing with that enemy today<\/em>. We have facts, proof and more<\/em> facts and proof. It\u2019s prop\u2013 It\u2019s possible he will come in with a microphone that would carry long range. So note for pins on his coat patel [lapel], uh, and also note for any other strange objects. Personally<\/em>, though we never have searched anyone, I think the man should understand<\/em>, with the things he has done for the CIA by his own admission, the crimes he has committed, that he should be willing, if he indeed has change of heart and found the light, and has agreed to say that he set up all the lies in the newspapers, and hired all the firms to destroy us, I would think he would understand<\/em> that we would want to see what\u2019s on him. He could be a person that would bring in ammunition, anything. I don\u2019t think<\/em> so. He could be a person that would bring in drugs, and thus reflect on all of us in the community, where no one uses drugs, alcohol or tobacco. Alcohol and tobacco, not because we are prudish or religious, we believe it is a dangerous cause of ill health. On some occasions, the doctors does give a little bit of brandy under strict<\/em> control to those who has per\u2013 specific problems of circulation, but we must<\/em> not play loose<\/em> and fast with this man. Be friendly, and learn not to show the feeling you have. He\u2019s been a party of a group that\u2019s done horrible things and told horrible lies about Guyana, but they want him to come here, and they\u2019re going to be watching him every step when he leaves. They did it yesterday. They interrogated him one hour. Our government is very proficient, the People\u2019s National Congress is extremely<\/em> proficient, so let us be equally proficient and be careful. Those who have a tendency to just like to talk too much about the weather or whatever, don\u2019t talk to a man like that. Don\u2019t talk to him. If he comes up, you can tell him, how you feel about the place, how lovely it is, as you\u2019ve told us, and so for [forth]. You can tell them that you came here \u2013 of course which can be proven \u2013 on your own free will. I don\u2019t care him if you tell him that the church paid all of your ways. I saved for 25 long years, with my precious wife [Marceline Jones] and my business, which was worth a million dollars, I turned it over to this collective, because money gave me no satisfaction, and I can see such satisfaction in our children, who would\u2019ve ended up in gangs, they would\u2019ve ended up on drugs, they woulda ended up in jail, because there really is no chance for minorities in England and USA these days. Thank you, and take this seriously<\/em> to heart. Inspectors, do your job. Public Service, let us be sure that everything is open, so they can see and appreciate their remarkable fil\u2013 facilities he has. I think the government has taken care of his PA, uh, his tape recorder. I believe I was informed by [Vibert Mingo] the Minister of Home Affairs, who\u2019s a wonderful Marxist in Guyana, that there will be no question about him coming with a tape recorder or a camera. They\u2019re very strict, and rightfully, they should be. Much love. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013that is arriving. Sign\u2013 that\u2019s what will bind. We have never, no matter who<\/em> they were, allowed people to come in without opening their satchels, except of course like\u2013 a friend like Charles Garry or Carlton Goodlett. Otherwise, we have never allowed anyone to come in, since some of the shots nearly shot me and some of the fires that were started, the gasoline generator that was damaged, and the pigs that were nearly killed, if it hadn\u2019t been for quick foresight, and the thieveries that went on night after night in organized fashion and then stopped all of a sudden. We have to decide why it is he will not open that satchel. You\u2019ll have to decide whether you want him to open it and remain. He does not want to open it. I think he\u2019s pretty adamant about it. But you\u2019ll have to weigh\u2013 weigh that in the People\u2019s Rally. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/strong>Dad? Dad?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

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\u2013wise solution. Attorney Charles Garry has suggested that we\u2019ll meet him in a reception, a friendly, kindly reception, and suggest that if he does not open the attach\u00e9 case or give it to, say, Charlie, uh, so that it will not be open at any time, that it will be under the surveillance of us all the time, then there\u2019s nothing for us further to talk about, because that satchel\u2013 we\u2019ve been through<\/em> satchels before, and we knew how deadly that one was when the two Air Force officers [Thomas Dawsey and Leon Joly] sent\u2013 were sent by Senator [John] Stennis all the way from Biloxi, Mississippi to be ins\u2013 between the walls of our church<\/em>. And when many law enforcement people told us then, they could been up to nothing but to blow up our church, to perhaps get the black mayor, [Unita Blackwell Wright] who was so eloquent.<\/p>\n

Anyway, that\u2019s the way we will handle it. I knew that I could not make a decision without coming to the Peoples Forum. Thank you so much. If anyone objects to that, you can register your complaint in the suggestion box. But that sounds like a reasonable<\/em> uh, solution. He uh, paranoid, uh, delusional paranoid. Treat him kindly, warmly, be friendly, whatever you do. The only man coming in will be that man who worked with the conspiracy. So remember that. Don\u2019t blabbermouth about [a] lot of your world views, don\u2019t go into our politics, just talk about what you love about the place, why\u2013 The many times you\u2019ve said in meetings, why you wouldn\u2019t go back to the United States, what you love about Jonestown, the marvelous features that you pointed out in letter and in personal testimony. Talk along those lines, but don\u2019t let him get you involved in politics or about your family or anything else. It\u2019s none of his business. It\u2019s none of his business. Be friendly, but just say, well, I\u2013 I\u2019ve got to rush on, I\u2019ve got something to take care of. You don\u2019t need to answer anything about your work. They ask you about your work, well, of course, you\u2013 you have a job, one of the seniors can say I\u2019m retired, I do what I please, just as you do. The rest can talk about their eight-hour day, because with our breaks, that\u2019s what it amounts<\/em> to now. So, let\u2019s handle it that way. And I think that\u2019s a good idea, but if someone in the community\u2013 we\u2019ve often found the best ideas lurk in the entire community. I\u2019ve found more wisdom from the Peoples Forum than anyplace else. So please\u2013 In fact, bypass the suggestion box, that might take a little long. De\u2013 Bring it directly to the radio room. Thank you and much love, comrades.<\/p>\n

Voice: <\/strong>Dad?<\/p>\n

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