{"id":66806,"date":"2016-04-30T10:20:35","date_gmt":"2016-04-30T17:20:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=66806"},"modified":"2020-12-30T14:49:50","modified_gmt":"2020-12-30T22:49:50","slug":"q942-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=66806","title":{"rendered":"Q942 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III<\/strong><\/i>. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/strong><\/i><\/p>\n

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\nTo read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>, Pt. 2<\/a>).<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013the government, they were very, very impressed. Our stateside problems continue to go on, thus requiring, much to her risk and jeopardy, the demonstration of her commitment, Sister Terri Buford to go back, and assist uh, Marcie [Marceline Jones] in this crucial hour of trying to get our people finally free from that mess, removing approximately 15 a week, but it\u2019s still a slow process, and ten\u2013 ten weeks, we\u2013 we really don\u2019t know whether we have ten weeks. The crushing blows continue to fall on others who\u2013 they have given assistance to us, Enola Maxwell, under investigation who\u2013 a prominent person that was selected by the mayor [George Moscone] for an office, but she\u2019s been a constant<\/em> supporter of us and praised us publicly. I offered her a place because she\u2019s been indeed\u2013 indeed a constant friend. The mayor met Marceline in demonstration which uh, she was at on behalf of uh, Enola Maxwell, and the mayor came up and kissed her and said I\u2019m with<\/em> you. And I thought I\u2019d like to puke on that shit. He\u2019s with us, we\u2019d like to see some cash.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> These idiot relatives, uh\u2013 Mickey [Touchette] came and attacked Marceline in the office verbally, and I told my attorney [Charles Garry] he either gone do<\/em> something about this shit, or he\u2019s gone be fired, and I ain\u2019t\u2013 I\u2019m not gone put up with this shit. I believe we\u2019re supposed to\u2013 and Dr. [Carlton] Goodlett told uh\u2013 told our attorney he didn\u2019t know what the hell he\u2019s doing<\/em>, that you don\u2019t deal with snakes<\/em>. And Sandy uh, Rozynko did the same shit, and uh, his\u2013 his idea is to try to make peace<\/em>. That a bunch of fuckin\u2019<\/em> liberal nonsense. You don\u2019t make peace with fuckers who\u2019ve lost their conscience and their sense<\/em>. You don\u2019t make<\/em> peace with them.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013been adamant. It\u2019s either him<\/em>, or we get a new attorney, and Goodlett said he would help us, no matter, \u2018cause he said it\u2019s insane<\/em>. There no use for a socialist to try to communicate with people who\u2019ve turned over to fascism. And they\u2019re working hand in hand\u2013 hand in glove with fascist conspirators, talking to Treasury agents, we know each one of them have from the uh, copy that we have, furnished to us by this<\/em> government of the INTERPOL, which is a Nazi<\/em>-run organization, police organization, nationwide uh, internationally-recognized among only capitalist countries. Socialist countries will not cooperate with it. But it is run by Nazis since it was placed there in\u2013 in operation by [Adolf] Hitler, and appointed by uh, a Gestapo\u2013 deputy Gestapo head who\u2019d murdered millions of Jews, or hun\u2013 tens of thousands of Jews in 1938 and as late as 1972<\/em>, it was pla\u2013 it was under the direction of a former Gestapo head. It\u2019s an ungodly<\/em> thing, that our<\/em> people who formerly tasted of the fruits of socialism and known its principles could go<\/em> to that kind of an element. And I<\/em> don\u2019t think that anybody that can go<\/em> to\u2013 from socialism to deal with racist pigs deserve<\/em> our conversation, and I goddamn well refuse to talk<\/em> to them.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (too low)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s put through this kind of shit, and it\u2019s gonna be stopped, I\u2019m telling you. And I have to go back there, and set up meeting and come rammin\u2019 into offices and jammin\u2019 into offices. They\u2019ll get jammed, all right.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (too low)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, it won\u2019t be. My son said it won\u2019t be between (unintelligible word) either.<\/p>\n

(Several voices, low)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I can\u2019t think of any other thing in the news. We\u2019re fighting the court case of uh, the Olivers [Beverly and Howard Oliver] which we will win<\/em>, but they\u2019re ordering another court order. These bastards. They\u2019re giving another<\/em> court order, when we sent them into that, and all that ta\u2013 takes a lot of legal cost, so I hope to Christ some of you who\u2019ve been laying around and laying in your pad. I\u2019ve got a list of people who\u2013 under question this time, I\u2019m not going to mention if the inspection team, or next<\/em> Peoples Rally, \u2018cause I\u2019ve got plenty to do. All of you that are in your pad better damn well be sure that you are in there with a good cause, because it\u2019s gone be brought up publicly. And I know<\/em> some of you, by looking, you\u2019re not doing night work, and you\u2019re sleeping too damn long, and people twice your age is doing it. And out running around, inspecti\u2013 and I was out round\u2013 running around inspecting, when some of you were up in the pad, and went to bed earlier than I<\/em> did. I don\u2019t know how you could go in\u2013 into bed any\u2013 any later<\/em> than I did, being it was dawn<\/em> and after. And I was up, as always, doing what I have to do, and no small uh, amount of tension. \u2018Cause it\u2019s hell being in that radio room. You oughta just\u2013 I oughta turn that P.A. system and let you listen to it. I don\u2019t know how any mortal can take it. I really don\u2019t know how I can take it. And try to handle all this shit back in the states. And all these individual cases, fight them.<\/p>\n

Last night, they brought Marvin<\/em> [Swinney] back to town, brought him on a radio<\/em> show, the mother fucker, to talk about his parents and his relatives, and they had a who\u2013 radio show with these bastards. They won\u2019t give them a goddamn dime<\/em>, other than to br\u2013 whip them in and out of San Francisco. What kind of people they are. They oughta\u2013 And then talk to them? Hell, no. I won\u2019t talk to people like that. I ain\u2019t talking to people like that shit. Anybody that does this\u2013 \u2018Course, behind Marvinis Jackie [Swinney], always a good woman, or a bad woman, behind any man<\/em>. But the idiotic<\/em> filth<\/em> they told on their own<\/em> relatives and they told on Eva Pugh and the wicked kind of shit that they had on, and Coleman said they\u2013 (stumbles over words) Coleman\u2013 and Dr. Goodlett said, ignore<\/em> the pukes.<\/p>\n

Eric is foolish\u2013 or\u2013 or our attorney [Charles] Garry. I\u2019m talking in codes Go uh\u2013 car\u2013 Garry is absolutely stupid<\/em>, he said, to try to convince these kind of people. It\u2019s impossible<\/em>. Should not<\/em> talk with them, should not<\/em> negotiate with them. He said he agreed with Jim, Goodlett said, slap them with some suits<\/em>. And that\u2019s what the hell I\u2019ve been trying<\/em> to do. This fu\u2013 fucker is afraid<\/em>. He\u2019s afraid. A 68-year-old coward. Communist coward<\/em>. Afraid of what the news going to think about him, afraid of what s\u2013 repercussions gonna have on him. Sure<\/em>, it dangerous to be a communist, but he says he can make<\/em> it in United States, but if he\u2019s a coward, he better get out and come over here, and at least\u2013 and have a little peace. Said the only place he ever had any peace on earth\u2013 and he wrote, and talked before TV, that this was paradise on earth, and it\u2019s certainly a place to be for people who are afraid<\/em> to take on the system, \u2018cause the son-of-a-bitching system\u2019s mean<\/em>.<\/p>\n

(Voice rises throughout) And that\u2019s why I want my people out of it. They ain\u2019t no use to try to do anything about it, \u2018cause nobody wants<\/em> to do anything about it. As I\u2019ve said repeatedly, we have no choices but fascism or communism. People not able to use democracy. You can\u2019t use democracy until you\u2019ve got a conscience<\/em>. Animals don\u2019t happen to be democratic. Turn a bunch of damn pigs loose<\/em> in this community, and none<\/em> of us could live. You turn a bunch of hogs\u2013 a herd of hogs loose in this community, and there wouldn\u2019t be anything left<\/em> of this community in five days. Hogs<\/em> don\u2019t know how<\/em> to be communistic. Humans<\/em> are just as animalistic without the principles of Marxist-Leninism, with the dictatorship of the proletariat or the working class being dictated<\/em>\u2013 Too bad that all<\/em> of us can\u2019t dictate it in common<\/em>, but we obviously see, with people breaking people\u2019s glasses on purpose and taking people\u2019s glasses so that their eyes will be in pain and can\u2019t see, obviously<\/em>, not everybody\u2019s able to dictate the working class sentiment<\/em>. And up till now, I know that I have been consistently<\/em> conscientious in doing that job, and I\u2019ve found nobody yet able to take the hell that I\u2019m able to take and give out equality with the justice that I give it out, and so I have become the dictator of<\/em> the working class interest and well-being. And who in the hell would want to take the choice of going the other<\/em> way. You can\u2019t have any democracy in this mess.<\/p>\n

You can see from all the people come over from the States, how animalistic they are. Goddamn pack of wolves<\/em>, they come down the coordinator\u2019s office, and fussin\u2019, raise hell because they don\u2019t have a battery<\/em>. We say, well, our\u2013 our\u2013 our guards<\/em> that are guarding<\/em> you from the CIA. Because naturally they\u2013 even the CIA can hire people to come in, as we\u2019ve had clandestinely until the last one was stopped<\/em>. Been uh, only two weeks we\u2019ve\u2013 first two weeks we\u2019ve gone in our history<\/em> that we never had some kind of a fiasco, or some kind of an attack<\/em> on us. But\u2013 Say, well, (stumbles over words)\u2013 give the presentation, we need the batteries for our uh, guards<\/em> to give you feeling protection. And uh, even after that, they insist<\/em> on their goddamn battery. Some of you oughta have a battery lit up and sent up your ass.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> (Cries and applause)<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013A damn anarchist<\/em>. Peace. Not<\/em> appreciating the dictatorship of conscience, that demanded that when all cost and pressure\u2013 having pressure in the headquarters and pressure in the boat crew, they can see that you have 12,000 nearly\u2013 12,000 dollars of meat. That<\/em> you don\u2019t mind taking. You don\u2019t mind taking all the medicine, and the medical staff gone be up all night, and what that cost to do these pap smears and send that bloodwork in, got any goddamn idea? Into the thousands of dollars. Don\u2019t mind taking that. But we ask you for a mother-fuckin\u2019 battery<\/em>. (Pause) Anarchists<\/em>. A bunch of animals<\/em>. Worse than hogs<\/em>. And so you got a choice<\/em>. You either go to the dictatorship of fascism<\/em>, where a rich group of white<\/em> racists rule<\/em> the thing, and sell each other out, kill each other, they\u2019re so hungry and lustful for appetite, for power and rach\u2013 riches. So you\u2019ve got the choice to go fascist<\/em>\u2013 and you ain\u2019t got a snowball\u2019s chance in hell<\/em> of g\u2013 being a fascist. You\u2019ll never succeed<\/em> as a fascist, because there\u2019re already uh, too many in the ruling class now<\/em>, they\u2019re killing off each other. If they step a little bit out of line, like [John F.] Kennedy, they kill him off<\/em>. Even though he was a millionaire, he got killed off because he didn\u2019t represent as consistently<\/em> the will of the dictators<\/em> of the rich<\/em> as they wished, so they rubbed him out. They brushed him off the earth. And all those sell-outs have gotten the same. So you\u2019ve got no choice but to be a communist. What the hell are you talkin\u2019 about? There is no democracy<\/em> until people learn communism<\/em>, which means community<\/em>, which means sharing<\/em>. You cannot have any<\/em> goddamn freedom.<\/p>\n

Now keep your eyes on me, young man. I don\u2019t want to talk to you twice<\/em> in one\u2013 one goddamn week. (Pause)<\/p>\n

You been\u2013 you been surrounded by traitors, are you gonna let traitors poison your brain? (Pause) (Calms) Now I want to say: you want to learn communism, or you learn death. And I\u2019ve seen it change here, in Cuba. I wish I could transport you to an already made society, but I can\u2019t do that. And Cuba doesn\u2019t believe in taking foreigners in, because they believe that they can have their s\u2013 economy infiltrated and broken up by the CIA. And obviously, that\u2019s the truth. Obviously that is the truth. We got the opportunity anyway. Nuclear war is abon\u2013 upon us. Every goddamn night there\u2019s talk about whether the Arabs and the Egyptians, the uh\u2013 the Arabs are gonna fight with Egypt and Egypt gonna be in a war with Arab inter-private par\u2013 party rivalry and Israel fighting with the Arabs, and s\u2013 constant talk. They\u2019re calling a peace convention, and nobody\u2019s gonna go. Nobody is going to go. In the Near East. They called a goddamn convention, and nobody<\/em> has said they\u2019ll go. And how these powers with nuclear weapons\u2013<\/p>\n

We\u2019re fortunate<\/em> to be here, the one<\/em> safe place where you got animal life, free from nuclear radiation, free from the genocide plans of what I read to you today, if anybody knows. Got a break because of lateness of having emergencies in the States. You got another Peoples Rally to digest all you been hearing. How many know<\/em> all about George [Jackson] and Jonathan [Jackson] that you should? How many know<\/em> all you should about Che Guevara from the uh, documentary that been\u2013 that I\u2019ve been giving in my own comments. How many know<\/em> about uh, human rights? I doubt if you could put your hand up with that, because that was just on today, and we didn\u2019t get to hear<\/em> it all. So you need to listen closely about the farce of [President Jimmy] Carter\u2019s policy of human rights, and how utterly, utterly disgusting the U.S. hypocrisy is, and the fact that freedom is lost<\/em> in the U.S. I made a case today clearly with law and quoting chapter and verse. Uh, it\u2019s lost<\/em>. There\u2019s no chance for survival of freedom there. So let us learn<\/em> the way of communists. Cooperation. If you can\u2019t learn it kindly, then let us learn it however we have<\/em> to learn it. But I think it\u2019s a shameful<\/em> thing that you\u2019d come in here with so many, many goddamn demands. Say, I need a flashlight. What the fuck do you need a flashlight for? This place is lit up. You don\u2019t need a flashlight.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Your security does<\/em> need flashlights.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It gets quiet when you get talking about things like this.<\/p>\n

More voices:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You oughta be grateful that we have thought that much through, to give you the kind of security. Your boat<\/em> needs security\u2013 needs lights. You<\/em> don\u2019t need any lights. But you better hope that that fellow that\u2019s got that weapon<\/em> has got a light so he can protect you<\/em>, and spot anything coming on.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I was so appreciative to see one of the new lads that\u2019d had a confrontation on Sunday, come marching in with a beautiful radio, and uh, a wa\u2013 clock combination, beautiful thing. Said, just give me a watch. Just give me a watch. Any old watch will do. If you got one. And I thought, the Anderson youngster, who had been prejudiced by liars<\/em> about the place \u2013 Jerome \u2013 had more conscience that some of you who\u2019ve been with me for years<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> (Too low) That one\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know where in the world, uh\u2013 These people said they were astounded. This\u2013 these governmental leaders that were here, the ministry of education, head of the entire country, said it\u2019s amazing that you would give all of your people cancer tests. Woman was almost to tears, that we would give cancer tests to everybody, all night long, to have everybody<\/em> ready for that boat. She was just overwhelmed and speechless. [Voice climbs throughout] \u2018Cause it takes money<\/em> to take every smear, it takes money<\/em> to take blood sampling, it takes money<\/em> to do all that shit, it don\u2019t happen\u2013 it don\u2019t drop out of the cloud. Ain\u2019s no fuckin\u2019 manna fallin\u2019 out of heaven. That was all bullshit<\/em>. Because if there was manna fallin\u2019 out from Moses when he went through that fuckin\u2019 uh, journey\u2013 40 mile journey, the son of a bitch wouldna got lost<\/em> for 40 years. If somebody was able to drop something out of heaven to feed<\/em> the fucker, he would also been able to give him a fuckin\u2019 compass<\/em> so he wouldna been lost for 40 goddamn years.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know how you ever believed<\/em> that bullshit. You just sing manna from heaven, dropping out for Moses, and yet that prick\u2013 If manna<\/em> fell down to feed<\/em> the fuckers, it looks like that that God<\/em> up there coulda dropped a fuckin\u2019 compass<\/em> or a roadmap<\/em> that kept them from being lost<\/em> for 40 fuckin\u2019 years, and only 40 miles<\/em>. The fuckers were lost 40<\/em> years and 40 goddamn miles, (voice calms) and we\u2019re talkin\u2019 40<\/em> miles to get across there to that goddamn sea, and the sons-a-bitches were going in 40 mile area for 40 years. And then you tell me that there some God dropped manna. Prick. Ain\u2019t nobody drops no manna. We have to make our fuckin\u2019 manna, honey.<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Right. (Applause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Restroom, restroom, restroom, restroom.<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Discipline. Learn it, I hope, through principle<\/em>. Now all we need is the important things written up there doesn\u2019t put it down, as much as in the men\u2019s prisons, and allows them to find their own real feelings. Other women aren\u2019t gay, but are more free to explore their own feelings and make their own decisions, because a man is never honest or open with a woman. There\u2019re still strong pressure against homosexuality, but not as severe as in the men\u2019s prisons. Listen to the yard of the men\u2019s prison where I was. Almost all the jokes are about the men making it with men. You\u2019re a fuckin\u2019 faggot. Oh, yeah? Well, you take it in the ass. Yeah, well, you suck cock and you know it. Hundreds of men thrown together by the system, sometimes for years and years at a stretch, and the worst insult they can throw at someone is that he might want to make love with another man.<\/p>\n

Worse, look at the homosexuality the brothers do allow. The sickest, goddamn kind. Where one man brutalizes and exploits another, one man plays the role of the man, the other, usually younger, smaller, less hairy, more boyish looking, plays the role of the kid. The kid is the slave. The stereotype of how most sick men perceive women. The man, afraid he will be considered a fag if he acts like he really likes the kid, comes on, yeah, I fuck him in the ass, he sucks me off, he does all kinds of shit for me, and I let him hang around.<\/p>\n

The man would never admit \u2013 we just couldn\u2019t \u2013 to having any feelings for the kid. He would never admit to giving anything sexually. Just taking. And the kid, in order to justify himself, plays the role of the woman. In Amerika-ka-ka. Always black people with pride write America A-m-e-, e-r-i-k-k-a. (Pause) In order to justify himself, he plays the role of the woman in Amerika, the kid does, taking the man for all he\u2019s worth, getting food and drugs and presents from the man, and threatening to leave for another man, if this man doesn\u2019t provide enough goodies.<\/p>\n

And under all this sick play-acting, often the two men like each other deeply, down deep, but are so frightened by the system the prisoners have set up that they have to prevent\u2013 pretend they are using each other. Why<\/em> do prisoners approve, when one man boasts of abusing and exploiting another man, but get totally threatened when two men just say, they really dig each other. (Pause) Why<\/em> in this atmosphere did you have to say, that there was no women, you had to act like you had a big dick. This man was brave<\/em>. He died. Can\u2019t get any braver than George Jackson.<\/p>\n

(tape edit)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong> (Cries) Um\u2013 raped and molested and kidnapped at the age of eight (sniff) and\u2013 and Joe, I just don\u2019t know where your head is at. I mean\u2013 (Pause) (Less weepy) I mean, I can\u2019t even explain it. I mean, I\u2019ve also\u2013 I\u2019ve also\u2013 I\u2019ve also been raped also. After I got into my teens, and after the age of 21, and the last time I was sexually assaulted, I was at the age of 22 (sniff). And I was also kidnapped at that time, and a train was pulled, and I didn\u2019t know who it was. I mean, uh, that\u2019s not where it\u2019s at. And I think you should identify with your homosexuality, because I can accept the fact that I am bisexual. (Sniffs) And I think you oughta look at yourself much closer (breaks down)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The body is kind.<\/p>\n

(tape edit?)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a\u2013 A boy, I\u2013 I guess he couldn\u2019t talk about his homosexual feelings for me, I don\u2019t know what the hell (unintelligible end of sentence). I sure don\u2019t remember anything about that. \u2018Cause I didn\u2019t know what that was<\/em>. Perhaps we in that generation would\u2019ve been better if we had<\/em>. I don\u2019t know. But I helped him. He was a rich kid, and I helped him, and he was inadequate as hell with all of his money, he was vey inadequate. Football player, and so forth. But I come in, I was working, interesting enough, I think on his math, I don\u2019t remember for sure. And he came in, and in front of the whole<\/em> assembly, and dropped her panties on my desk. And boy, that uh, is a hell of a business. It\u2019s a hell of a business. I got my ass out of that school. Went to work. Didn\u2019t get sidetracked by love anymore, and became a communist at an early age. And so I\u2019m very<\/em> grateful she did it, and he<\/em> did it, \u2018cause it taught me to\u2013 you know, lots of things, and it accidentally or coincidentally led probably uh, on to the perseverance in communism, to where I would never let sex direct me<\/em>, but I would direct sex to the achievement to my goals<\/em>, which were pure goals<\/em>. It coulda been equally bad<\/em> goals, if I\u2019d gone the wrong way. So we want to think<\/em> about this shit, when we uh\u2013 if we got a steady relationship. I don\u2019t know his case, I\u2019m just uh\u2013 I know, I know it, it\u2019s mu\u2013 more subjective<\/em>, \u2018cause I went through it. It\u2019s a hell of a business to be constant and not fuck one<\/em> girl, and the girl that you had you\u2013 (unintelligible phrase) much as love as I\u2019ve<\/em> ever seen, a kid could have, and then have her\u2013 (small laugh) In front of all your classmates. It didn\u2019t make no difference, that seven years later, she wanted\u2013 wanted me back. Come up\u2013 Come up to me, uh, uh, the\u2013 the\u2013 the pain<\/em> and the damage that that would\u2013 if\u2013 if it hadna been\u2013 I don\u2019t know what the hell kept me from suicide. I don\u2019t know. (Pause) Responsibility, I guess. I guess it was uh, l\u2013 Yeah, um-hmm. Someplace in there is an animal that needed me, so I took my animal, \u2018cause sure as hell I didn\u2019t think anything else<\/em> needed me. (Pause) I took an animal, someplace, a dook\u2013 a duck. Goddamn, I remember trying\u2013 By the time I got my duck a home and had to move out of the town, and hitchhiked 17 miles. (Pause) And hell, it\u2019s good. But uh, you people uh, make a habit<\/em> of it. If you\u2019ve been hurt<\/em>, don\u2019t try to hurt somebody else. I don\u2019t know anything about his case. Christ sake, there\u2019s enough pain. But Janice said it very well. Don\u2019t take the responsibility. I mean, to kick it off on somebody else, it\u2019s uh\u2013 You\u2019ve got your part in it too. (Pause) Um. I\u2019m not worried about the hurt that I\u2019ve had, I just worry about how many more people\u2013 or what I\u2019m thinking about now is not being hurt. Mine\u2019s all gone over with. I died a long time ago. The hurt<\/em> is that, uh, that others are going to have that kind of pain until we have communism, until we learn to feel<\/em> for people. And it\u2019s too late for anybody to feel too much of anything but tiredness. But uh\u2013 Yes, restroom, Jerry, it\u2019s all right. It\u2019s a dreadful, dreadful, dreadful thing to\u2013 to hurt people. In a sense<\/em>, she was a blessing in disguise, though. She taught me not to depend on people. You all mistaken\u2013 You\u2019re mistaken<\/em> to depend upon people. You better depend upon principle.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong> Scattered response<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And for that, I\u2019m eternally<\/em> grateful to that woman. When I think about it, I\u2019m very grateful. Yes. And what happened to me<\/em>, don\u2019t make an exception of yourself, it\u2019ll happen to any one of you, till we get communism, it\u2019ll happen over and over and over again. Millions and millions of times, it\u2019ll happen over and over again. (Pause) (sighs) So we are not going to inherit your babies. Some people are principled and don\u2019t want to run around here and scatter babies all over the place. So believe me, and we won\u2019t just make it easy enough to take a boat ride to Georgetown. We\u2019ve got<\/em> to control this. Now if the three-month period\u2019s too long, then revise it here in this closing moment. This is too long a meeting. It\u2019s unrealistic in the world that we live. Uh. Let\u2019s face it here. But uh\u2013 (Pause) If you think three months is fair, what is it\u2013 what is it\u2013 what is it again?<\/p>\n

(Burst of sound from previous recording)<\/p>\n

(voice too low)<\/p>\n

Woman 2:<\/strong> Three month relationship with no sex. And after the three months, you come back, uh, you\u2019ll be reviewed for a six-month trial marriage, you can sh\u2013 live together, share a cottage with birth control, and after\u2013<\/p>\n

(Tape edit)<\/p>\n

(Sound of traffic on a freeway for balance of side 1 and first half of side 2, Balance of side 2 blank)<\/p>\n

Tape originally posted May 2016<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To return to the Tape Index, click here. To read the Tape Summary, click here. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1, Pt. 2). Jones: \u2013the government, they were very, very impressed. Our stateside problems continue to go […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":27291,"menu_order":624,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-66806","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/66806","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=66806"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/66806\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":108061,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/66806\/revisions\/108061"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27291"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=66806"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}