{"id":68758,"date":"2017-03-13T13:32:04","date_gmt":"2017-03-13T20:32:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68758"},"modified":"2017-03-16T15:28:01","modified_gmt":"2017-03-16T22:28:01","slug":"q891-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68758","title":{"rendered":"Q891 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Announcer:<\/strong> \u2013Guyana, in South America. They say they\u2019ve been cut off from their children, and that the leader, the Reverend Jim Jones of Peoples Temple, has turned Jonestown into a concentration camp. Temple members say that simply isn\u2019t true, they\u2019re vicious<\/em> lies.<\/p>\n

Steven Katsaris:<\/strong> (unintelligible intro) \u2013people have relatives in Guyana, all of us here have<\/em> relatives, children or family down there, they\u2019ve been isolated and estranged from us, and we\u2019re concerned about their safety and their welfare.<\/p>\n

Temple member:<\/strong> But the charges that have been made against our organization uh, is really just an effort to spread vicious lies to discredit Reverend Jones and\u2013 and the church.<\/p>\n

Announcer:<\/strong> The parents have sent a petition to Secretary of State Cyrus Vance. They want him<\/em> to look into the matter. Still to come, a little town is growing up\u2013<\/p>\n

Tape cuts off, silence for several seconds<\/strong><\/p>\n

Phone rings<\/p>\n

Recording<\/strong>: \u2013 The (unintelligible word) you have reached is not in service at this time, and there is no new number.<\/p>\n

Sandy Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013In front of the federal building here\u2013<\/p>\n

Unknown reporter:<\/strong> Mmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Which they did. They had a handful of people. We had found out about it and uh, but had\u2013 only had time to let some people know, but we still had close to\u2013 well, I guess we had about a hundred and fifty, over a hundred and fifty people there, uh, not only relatives but\u2013 that are members of the church, but also relatives who are not<\/em> members came.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> What they did<\/em> was they had this gate uh, you know, this big fence with barbed wire at the top, and they put a\u2013 a picture of Prime Minister [Forbes] Burnham behind it, uh, and it was actually a ridicule<\/em> situation that they were implying\u2013 well, they were s\u2013 calling our project a concentration camp. And uh, they were carrying signs saying \u201cWake Up, Guyana,\u201d and uh, saying our relatives are being kept prisoners there, but they had this picture, the big poster of uh, Prime Minister Burnham behind this fence, and then they had put a couple of uh, children, who\u2013 who should\u2019ve been in school, behind the fence, implying that\u2013 that Burnham was directly uh, you know, involved with their\u2013 this alleged concentration camp situation.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Did anything come out in the paper or anything?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> No. No.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> You have any pictures of it?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> It\u2013 We have pictures of that, yes.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d like (unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah. Uh, it\u2013 You know, this really upset us and uh\u2013 It wa\u2013 It was ironic<\/em> because at the very<\/em> same time this demonstration, this little piddly demonstration of theirs<\/em> was happening, uh, Cyrus Vance was on the project.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> On\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> On, uh, Jones\u2013 in Jonestown.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Is that right?<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah. (Laughs) And uh, Jim met with him personally, and uh, Mr. Vance agrees that there is a concerted effort to discredit uh, the organization\u2013<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013and cast a negative reflection on Guyana. And he<\/em> was concerned about it, and uh, he was there and very impressed, so uh\u2013 plus, at the same time the State Department had issued uh, a paper which we can also forward to you, saying that they have been down there, they have talked with the people in question, and no one is being held against their will, and if anyone has any further questions, they\u2013 they periodically go out to the project and that, [if] they have any further questions, to contact the State Department, and they can follow up and talk with the individual in question privately, which is what they have already done, and said it is\u2013 you know, people are healthy and they\u2019re doing what they want to do. So (clears throat) we\u2019ll probably have uh, this announced uh\u2013 We\u2019re getting it out to the press here<\/em>, but, you know, we have had much luck in getting the press to print our point of view\u2013<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Side of it, umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh, like, well, Channel 5 did cover it up here.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Umm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> The TV station did cover it, but what they said, they showed Steve Katsaris talking, saying every one of the people here have relatives over there, which was a blatant<\/em> lie. Uh, there were maybe 20 people there on their side, and out of those 20, I\u2019d say maybe\u2013 (more emphatic) maybe<\/em> four or five had relatives there. If that. The rest were ex-members, uh, who have nobody on the project and whose only reason to demonstrate is to add support to the attempt to discredit. So he stood right there and lied, this educator stood right there and lied right out, saying every<\/em> one of the people here has relatives in Jonestown, which was a lie. But the\u2013 the news media did not cover when we<\/em> said every one of those hundred and fifty plus people have relatives on the project. They did not cover that. It was noticeable\u2013 noticeably<\/em> biased against a predominantly black group, a black socialist group, uh, it was biased in favor of the little group of mainly light-complected people walking around. We had to walk right next to one another (laughs) in front of the federal building. But it was noticeably biased against us. And then the man just right out lied.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> I\u2019d like to get a picture of that thing, though, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah. We can\u2013 We can uh, get it down to you. Also, we have a number of people who have signed in support, you know, in contrast to their little piddly petition, in which they had to sign over and over to even fill up several pages. You got a copy of that, right?<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> That\u2019s what they delivered to you.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Yeah, we can forward the stuff in writing and\u2013 and this to you, but I did want to let you know that this is what\u2019s happening.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Okay, well, I appreciate knowing.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Found it very upsetting, to say the least, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Whatever you\u2019ve got, you know, I\u2019d appreciate getting a copy of it.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay. Sure. We\u2019ll do that, and we\u2019ll forward it on to you. How are you doing otherwise? I\u2019m sorry to keep bothering you with\u2013<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> No, no, doing all right.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> But\u2013 (laughs)<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> I haven\u2019t been bothered by\u2013 by uh\u2013 I haven\u2019t heard from him in uh, just a couple of\u2013 I don\u2019t know, a week or a couple of weeks.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh-huh. I don\u2019t think he got the support that he thought he was going to get in L.A. Uh, I think he tried to have a meeting with some of the people down there, and there\u2019s was just nobody interested. I mean, as\u2013 as far as some of the people who have relatives over there, there was just nobody interested.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Mm.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Uh, so\u2013 (Pause) Hope that that just dies out, but the fact that uh, Secretary of State Vance was there this week, (Laughs) you know, kind of blows the\u2013 the\u2013 the whole thing\u2013 his whole propaganda thing. I mean, he\u2013 he\u2013 they passed out leaflets saying \u2013 which I\u2019ll send you one of them, too \u2013 passed out a little thing saying, there were barbed wire fences. But you tell me how you can put barbed wire fences around a jungle. (Laughs) I mean, barbed wire fences, armed guards\u2013 I mean, it\u2019s just ridiculous. Uh, plus the overall threat and the mercenary<\/em> thing that we\u2019ve been concerned about all along. But uh, we\u2019ll\u2013 we\u2019ll pass it on to you, but I do want to let you know that\u2013 that that\u2019s what happened this week\u2013<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Okay\u2013<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> \u2013up here, and we\u2019re getting the rest of the facts out in our own way. Even if the press won\u2019t pick it up, we\u2019re still gonna be sending it out.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay, well, take care, and I\u2019ll get back if I hear anything else.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Okay. Ok\u2013 Okay, Sandy, thank you.<\/p>\n

Bradshaw:<\/strong> Okay. Good-bye.<\/p>\n

Reporter:<\/strong> Mmm-mm. Bye.<\/p>\n

End of tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted\u00a0March 2017.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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