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(This tape was transcribed by Georgiana Mamlakah. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> So he has\u2013 The colored cut me in and take their blood and put an initial beside of it, so it would be put in a different place.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s right and not\u2013<\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> The white\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s not being used.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> Yes. It\u2019s being put away.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I read the same article. England, the entire National Health Service was stopped using. England used to be so much further ahead of us, but England, the entire National Health Service has refused to use Asiatic, Indian or<\/em> black blood. The head of the National Service.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> Well, my question is this: isn\u2019t it possible that\u2013 that the same thing is going on right here?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Quite likely. People st\u2013 uh\u2013 pe\u2013 people\u2013 quite likely. Many\u2013 many doctors would not give black blood to a white person, but if you get paid<\/em> for it \u2013 and that\u2019s why I would sell<\/em> my blood \u2013 I wouldn\u2019t give my blood except in the case like I sent you to, where I cleared first that they were going to accept<\/em> our blood. But I would uh\u2013 No\u2013 uh, no way<\/em> would I give my blood, \u2018less it was to a black brother or one of our white brothers or sisters here that we knew would accept it. No use for us to throw our blood away, but if you\u2019ve got extra blood you can be bled. I have<\/em> to be bled, I create such blood. My blood is the thickest, richest, darkest<\/em> blood. I don\u2019t want to say richest. Uh\u2013 You might get the wrong impre\u2013 pression, but darkest, heaviest blood that you ever saw in your life. I have<\/em> to be bled every three months. Runs like syrup<\/em> through me.<\/p>\n

Female:<\/strong> Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But I\u2013 I say, sell<\/em> it, if you got it to spare. And then, if suckers, they want to pour it down a sink<\/em>, we don\u2019t care, if we\u2019ve sold it and we got our money.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> One day we\u2019ll take our blood and use it in our own storage<\/em> banks. We\u2019re not set up for that now. (Pause) Who\u2019s next in line? (Clears throat) You people have to do that. Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Father, this question consist of political, so I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t care what you ask me today. I\u2019ve thrown out\u2013 everything out here, the kitchen sink and<\/em> the tub.<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> (laughs) I want to know what\u2019s the uh, 25th Amendment is all about. I keep hearing about it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You hear what\u2013 about what\u2013<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 The 25th Amendment\u2013 25th\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Women\u2019s rights, you talking about?<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> Amendment, I don\u2019t know what it is\u2013 They keep talking about a sleeping giant.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> A sleeping giant. They need to revive the 25th Amendment.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m not familiar offhand. Uh, what is the women\u2019s liberation amendment?<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> Uh-huh. Well, I\u2013 I keep hearing it overnight uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What is the 25th Amendment? Anybody know? That\u2019s the first question ever been asked me that I\u2019m not personally familiar with. I know that the women, they\u2019re trying to get an amendment to give them equal rights<\/em>, which they were long since deserved.<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> It\u2019s a\u2013 It\u2019s a talk show.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The sleeping giant would surely be a woman. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> They\u2013 They call it a sleeping giant or<\/em> a Trojan horse.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (laughs)<\/p>\n

Female2:<\/strong> (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (voice rises) What is the 25th Amendment?<\/p>\n

Female3:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know exactly, but maybe I can give some background to help your memory. Uh, it has to do with\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Female3:<\/strong> \u2013the President can step down and get somebody else to come up, or the Vice President can step down because of they think they\u2019re not fit or something. And they said that was why [Spiro] Agnew could step down, was because of the 25th.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> President could step down and step down (stumbles over words) and\u2013 and avoid<\/em> being prosecuted and get immunity. No, I\u2019m not for that. Don\u2019t mess with that. (Clears throat) Any\u2013 any rascal\u2019s trying to put more amendments uh, like that uh, (stumbles over words) they just trying to find some out for the money that runs the government. There\u2019s money<\/em> behind these presidents, and they\u2019re trying to make it easier to get rid of the man that doesn\u2019t suit their purpose.<\/p>\n

Female4:<\/strong> Uh, Father\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Female4:<\/strong> This morning I heard over the news where they were making robots, and these robots, they were uh\u2013 would have the brains of a man, and they had X-ray eyes, and they would\u2013 a certain television would cor\u2013 record everything, and they were made purposely<\/em> to\u2013 they said<\/em> to explore the mountains and the uh, dent\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, and the first<\/em> thing they\u2019ll do\u2013 they\u2019re going to get them and they\u2019ve got<\/em> them practically to that degree now they can wash and clean and do that, and then what they going to need us for anymore?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You see, that\u2019s the\u2013 what it\u2019s all about, the push button systems that we live in. We have never had a place ever since they robbed us from our rich country and brought us here. We\u2019ve always been to the white man like a third thumb. He doesn\u2019t know what to do with us. And now with automation, when they can run a whole factory from a computer<\/em>, or they can get a robot to run around and wash and clean, you know<\/em> that it fits together that they\u2019re going to eliminate us<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Next in line, who\u2019s next in line? (Clears throat) No other people stand that did not already stand.<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> Pastor\u2013 Pastor Jones? Uh, I know that you do a lot of reading. I want you to hear what I\u2019m going say and answer my question if you will. There are writers and men that are in authority that\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (interrupts, unintelligible)<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> Caucasian race or a white man, he\u2019s\u2013 he has said this\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Go ahead.<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> He has said\u2013 He had wrote<\/em> and said this, that the white race is going out. Now listen good. He\u2019s going to have to get it\u2013 the white race is going to have to get in the Negro race or the dark races in order to stand up. Well, how can they refuse the blood of any black person? That\u2019s what I want to know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ohhh! They\u00ad\u2013 they can refuse the blood,. The white race is<\/em> going out, because\u2013 I\u2019ll tell you why the white race is going out, and so is everybody else<\/em> going to go out, \u2018cause the Chinese, if you\u2013 if you breed a white man with a Chinese, you got Chinese. If you breed a black man with Chinese, you got Chinese. If you breed anything<\/em> with Chinese, you got Chinese. That\u2019s why in a hundred years, we\u2019re all going to be Chinese.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (laughs)<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> That\u2019s wonderful, but you know it\u2019s been said in\u2013 quite a few years back, I guess, when I was small boy, you know, I was one of quite a few years back. If you had one drop<\/em> of Negro blood in you\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Male1: \u2013<\/strong>you was a Negro.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s why some of them are (unintelligible Male1) our blood.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Well, finally they stopped that. Do you know why, don\u2019t you? They stopped talking that stuff.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because they had to use so much of our blood in World War II\u2013<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> No, they had\u2013 they had so much blood in\u2013 in (unintelligible word) that they put (unintelligible word) themself.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s true. I\u2019d like to\u2013 I\u2019d like to have a dollar for every one\u2019s crossed the line. We\u2019d be able to buy Manhattan back.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019m<\/em> one. I coulda crossed the line, but I\u2019m<\/em> one. (Pause) Some folk wouldn\u2019t\u2013 Some folk wouldn\u2019t have followed me, at first if they\u2019da known it, so I kept my secret.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some black folk won\u2019t follow somebody, unless they\u2019re white. You know it?<\/p>\n

Voice<\/strong> in<\/strong> Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Know anybody couldn\u2019t think<\/em> like I do, and feel<\/em> like I do, and look<\/em> like I do, \u2018less he had something in him that didn\u2019t come from honkey.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> Pastor\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> I\u2013 I know that we are\u2013 I know that we are living in the\u2013 in this constellation in the\u2013 in the end<\/em> time, but I\u2019m wondering, are we in the middle<\/em> of this constellation or are we at the end of it?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You want to answer that, Sister Taylor or Sister Miller? (Pause) We\u2019re in a constellation and you want to know whether we\u2019re in the middle of it or the end of it?<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> End time\u2013 We\u2019re in the end time\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s the end time constellation.<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> But I\u2019m wondering\u2013 Well, it\u2019s the end of this\u2013 not the end of the world, but it\u2019s the end of this age, and we are\u2013 and I was wond\u2013 if we are living in the\u2013 in the middle<\/em> of this constellation or the end of it.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Where did you get all of this language?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Stumbles over words) When did you get to be such\u2013 I thought you was a lowly nigger like me<\/a>, you\u2019re gettin\u2019 talk like an uppity nigger to ask me all of this stuff about constellations\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (laughs) Wh\u2013 what\u2019s this business about constellations?<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> Well, I\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Last time I heard you talk, you was going to go out and\u2013 and as a cripple lady up and down and starting fires. It\u2019s getting close to that time. Does that suit ya? (laughs)<\/p>\n

Female5:<\/strong> Fine.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (clears throat) We\u2019re close to the end, we\u2019re close to the time of settlin\u2019\u2013 settling<\/em> day\u2013 Judgment<\/em> Day. Who<\/em> shall be able to stand, as the old song said.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Only those that\u2019re on their feet, please.<\/p>\n

Female6:<\/strong> Uh, Father, uh, why is it when a person is working for the state and ain\u2019t holding any government jobs, they have to take a loyalty oath?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s a part of the creeping fascism. Fascism means where the rich control all the workers as slaves. It\u2019s creeping fascism, crees\u2013 creeping dictatorship. The horrible<\/em> fact is that now the galleries, the death chambers are being filled. (Pause) What did they call it? Uh, it\u2019s not the death chambers, the place where we put all of our precious people waiting to die.<\/p>\n

Male2:<\/strong> Death row.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Death row. Thank you. (Clears throat) The death rows are being filled<\/em> again with people. Sister Angela\u2019s [Angela Davis] been talking about so many of them that are due to die in South Carolina. Fifty. (Pause) We got two spared in North<\/em> Carolina, you know, that\u2013 three<\/em> spared in North Carolina, ourselves, as our church alone. Nobody in this whole country would help us. Us.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. Let\u2019s not clap for ourselves. There\u2019s too much yet to be done. It\u2019s a drop in the bucket. They now have adopted a law in the State of California that it is a death<\/em> sentence if you\u2019re disloyal to the State of California. (Pause) Our people are so busy wasting their time on religion, skygods that don\u2019t exist and Bibles that have no meaning, unless they have the savior to interpret it, because this\u2013 It\u2019s told<\/em> you right in the Bible, II Corinthians 3:6 that this Bible kills<\/em>. The letter kills. Letter to Corinthians, letter to Romans, letter kills<\/em>, but the spirit, and the spirit of the revolution is love<\/em>. Love, nonviolence, maketh alive. Love, truth<\/em> makes alive. So our people are caught up in religion bad<\/em>, and they don\u2019t read anything, they don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on. Fifty percent of the people in this church<\/em> don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on. And they passed that law right this past summer, that if you<\/em> commit\u2013 if you\u2019re disloyal<\/em> to the State of California, you\u2019ll die in the gas chamber. Who<\/em> decides it? It\u2019s not defined. The governor<\/em>? (Pause) That\u2019s why they\u2019re getting you to sign all of these oaths, and then if somebody determines you\u2019re not loyal to whatever the complex language of those oaths, you better see what you\u2019re signing, you better have an attorney<\/em> to see what you\u2019re signing, \u2018cause you might be signing your life away. That\u2019s why I say, don\u2019t let anything<\/em> be signed unless myself<\/em> or my attorneys have seen it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Female6:<\/strong> I ask you because my daughter uh, she used to work for the police department, and each time I called her, she told me to be careful what I said because they would tape<\/em> it. And she quit the job and they want to know why did she quit the gov\u2013 The reason why she quit because both of my sons was set up and she didn\u2019t like\u2013 because she knew how the system work and she quit, but they didn\u2019t want her to leave, but she did quit.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, yes, you\u2013 you had a son that was set up who was<\/em> an officer, didn\u2019t you? One of the\u2013 Yes, I know, the son we got free was an officer.<\/em> Set up. They don\u2019t care who they set up. You can\u2019t work for the system. Black man can\u2019t be safe. Thought it was ironic, the first woman policeman that got killed the other day was a black woman. [Gail A.] Cobb was her name. She got shot down chasing some black person down, and trying to corner them and arrest them. People were sad about it. (Pause) Some<\/em> people were sad about it. Then some other silly black lady on the street corner, and they said she was\u2013 police officer said, well, what are you going to do, keep on doing your job? Said, yes, I\u2019m proud<\/em> of my work. Well, she\u2019s proud of her work, she deserves what she gets.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Anybody that black skin that would want to be an officer under the present conditions of injustice on a police force, or any of my people<\/em> that want to be an officer, (Pause) I suspect them. I\u2019m suspicious of \u2018em. How could anybody want to be an officer when they\u2019ve read Sonny Carson or seen the movie, and it\u2019s a ca\u2013 case all over this nation. And I told you, you ought to see it, when they beat the penises off, and beat the balls, and beat women\u2019s breast till they\u2019re black and blue. How could anybody with any racial pride want to be an officer in the part of that kind of system? Until they straighten that mess up and give us some black people to tar\u2013 charge of that departments here in Detroit\u2013 white police. All Detroit\u2019s practically black. We get a mamby-pamby mayor [Coleman Young] in, but that doesn\u2019t mean anything. We got a m\u2013 black mayor here [Tom Bradley], but we still got the crookedest<\/em> police department in the United States.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, the black mayor tried to get the police chief [Ed Davis] to resign, he wouldn\u2019t resign. Yeah, they\u2019re just puppets. (unintelligible sentence) Yeah. (tape edit) Does that include that special gift? (tsks) Our people. Hey now, there goes a sister, and you let her go, and you don\u2019t even find out where she\u2019s going. That\u2019s what worco\u2013 workers and counselors are supposed to be for. When you mention certain things, and you talkin\u2019 about police and such and that and some people move, you ought to know, you don\u2019t know exactly why. Know<\/em> what they\u2019re doing. (Pause) Some people love the police<\/em> better than they love God.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs, then scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: We\u2019ve treated the police very fairly. If they\u2019re\u2013 We don\u2019t believe in hurting anybody. And I\u2013 I tell you, no (unintelligible word) person with black pride<\/em> would work in these departments, as crooked as they are. And I know that\u2019s steppin\u2019 on some of your toes, \u2018cause you got relatives in it, but that\u2019s just exactly the way I feel about it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, they wouldn\u2019t. (Pause) I saw how they treated us out here. I\u2019m not going to forget it, even if they come\u2013 Chiefs can come over here and apologize all they want to, but I saw how they beat on black people and beat on Sister [Marceline] Jones, and put her in chains, put her in a tight room with no air. I saw what they did to black Brother Jackson, Brother Brown. And I hadn\u2019t done anything<\/em>. I go down to get them to sleep. I was kind and humble, and they put chains on me, just because I went down to get my people. That\u2019s where they made the mistake. I said you can keep me. You can keep me. I said I\u2019m stay<\/em>ing. Oh, no, you\u2019re a reverend, you got a lot of\u2013 you got thousands of people. All you have to do is put up bond. I said that\u2019s\u2013 only poor people\u2013 if only poor people could do it, that\u2019d be fine, but rich people [are] the only ones that can pay bond, so I said, I\u2019m staying<\/em> here. Why, your court\u2013 your trial won\u2019t be for six, eight weeks. I said that\u2019s your<\/em> problem, you\u2019re going to feed me. I\u2019m going to sleep<\/em>. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter and then applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So I slid down\u2013 and they had blood all around trying to impress me. And m\u2013 my idea trying to impress Jim Jones who\u2019s not afraid to be beat or hit or knifed or shot, they thought they\u2019d impress me. Had a pool of blood. Let me slide down in that, thought that\u2019d bother me. I just slid right down and laid.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They didn\u2019t let me sleep three minutes, saying Reverend, Reverend, Reverend, here\u2019s another man wants to talk to you. He was the captain<\/em>. I said\u2013 I told him the same thing, I said I\u2019m here, brothers, you\u2019re going to pay for it. I said, I don\u2019t know what my people gonna think about it, I said they\u2013 they\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2019s the problem uh, they\u2019ll have to deal with, and I said they make their own minds. Said, “Where are your people?” I said, Oh, there\u2019re several thousands of them waitin\u2019 down in Peoples Temple at Alvarado and Hoover right now, think\u2013 waiting on me to bring my people back<\/em>. (Pause) He said, they are? I said, Yeah, they are.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So back come the commander<\/em>\u2013 the assistant<\/em> commander. He said the same thing. They\u2019re so afraid of me, they had me chained to the bars inside of the bars in a lone cell and then chained me to<\/em> the bars.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I just taking in all, and they pushin\u2019 me and shovin\u2019 me, hit\u2013 and one guy took his foot and kicked me. White, all white, all these little old weaklings. And everybody had to have these guns. Most of them come from Alabama, that\u2019s where they get most of these people. They got their guns, \u2018cause they uh\u2013 they can\u2019t get the\u2013 the other\u2013 the other gun between their legs won\u2019t work, so they get uh, two on both sides, you know. That\u2019s why\u2013 that\u2019s why they get<\/em> in that business. Anybody gotta have a gun hanging around is because he\u2019s lost his other gun<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s true<\/em>. That\u2019s what all the doctors say, they lost their other gun. They don\u2019t mess with guns, \u2018cause they\u2019re worried about their gun, the penis<\/em>. It\u2019s a penis<\/em> symbol when you gotta fool around with guns. Well, anyway, they finally sent back the commander, the chief. I said, I\u2019ve told you folk the last time, I\u2019m not going out of here. I\u2019m not going out of here, because I didn\u2019t do anything, you people\u2019ve wronged us. It was a murderous riot you started out here. You remember the woman I raised from the dead? They kicked her, \u2018cause somebody got an ambulance against my wishes. As a brother told you, I prophesied, don\u2019t go on in the streets, but people so many times don\u2019t listen<\/em> to me, so they got the ambulance, put her on the ambulance after I had her raised from the dead. She\u2019s still\u2013 Sister Ha\u2013 [Pinkey] Hansberry, very alive and able, well after all those years. She had a stroke and I healed her. They put her in that\u2013 they kicked<\/em> her in that ambulance, called her nigger bitch. We said we want her off. They said, no. They called the helicopters and the police and the riot squad and (unintelligible word) uh, whatever it is\u2013 SWAT and all SWAT, I guess it is, SWAT now. That\u2019s the worse one. That\u2019s the Gestapo agency. Had machine guns lowered on us, beating our people, knocking them down. How many remember that terrible day?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Clears throat) Terrible<\/em> day. Some of you want to get out there so bad, you could taste it, but you were sweet, you stayed put. \u2018Cause if you had, we had\u2013 we would\u2019ve left a beautiful memory. (chuckles) \u2018Cause if I\u2019d had you all on the street, it\u2019da been too much. Uh\u2013 When I said I\u2019m not going out, they let us all out. (Pause) Dropped the charges, let us out. I told you, Bea, didn\u2019t I? When I said it, I prophesied it. At first they weren\u2019t going to\u2013 They let them all out without bail. Then they said, well, we\u2019re going to prosecute the two black brothers. I said, you are not. Attorney said, you won\u2019t be able to get those charges dropped. I did.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> Yes, he did. Amen.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019ll do my best to keep us in peace<\/em>, \u2018cause we\u2019re a peaceful community. (unintelligible word) Say peaceful, but if it comes too much and they push too much on us, we don\u2019t care if we all<\/em> go to jail, do we, we could make a nice time (unintelligible word).<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Last questions.<\/p>\n

Ramona:<\/strong> Fa\u2013 Father\u2013 Father, you know, uh, the\u2013 the forms that were sent out by the state about the people that lived in California for a certain length of time to get so much money back from the antibiotics they had taken.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, the money for there\u2013 that drug.<\/p>\n

Ramona:<\/strong> Yes, because the deadline is in October, and I just wanted to make the mention that I talked with several people about it. They knew nothing about the forms, didn\u2019t know how to fill them out, they haven\u2019t brought them yet to the Temple, and Maxine Bates and myself are here on Wednesday nights, and we\u2019ll be glad to help them fill them out so that\u2013 because they can get up to one hundred fifty dollars without\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Of course don\u2019t even have to prove it, get up to one hundred fifty dollars, don\u2019t even have to prove it. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Ramona:<\/strong> \u2013without proving that they took the medicine.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But you don\u2019t want to go over one hundred fifty dollars and uh, the Attorney General\u2019s [Evelle Younger] begging people to take it, and you can go to the Post Office to get the forms, I think they said, or you said you\u2019ll get the forms, did you?<\/p>\n

Ramona:<\/strong> Well, I can go by and see if I can get<\/em> some. Where shall I get them, from the Post Office?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, I don\u2019t think you can get too many, but I think it\u2019s the Post<\/em> Office, I believe they said.<\/p>\n

Voices in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, you and\u2013<\/p>\n

Ramona:<\/strong> \u2018Cause a lot of people threw their forms away, I understand. They didn\u2019t know what they were for.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t know what\u2019s the matter with people\u2019d throw away some uh, a hundred and fifty dollars you can get for nothing. The Attorney General, you can write, but in Ukiah you\u2019re not to do that unless you have a clearance from me. You\u2019re not to write. Huh? The Attorney General of the State of California. (clears throat) (Pause) If you used those drugs. You can find out if they are, said in Ukiah they don\u2019t have them, but in Ukiah I said\u2013 I\u2013 Anyway, anyway, get what\u2019s coming to you, but if you go over that, you gotta prove it. You take under a hundred and fifty dollars, they said you\u2019ll never have to prove it. That leaves it up to you.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, well, some of you bought 135 dollars, 140 dollars worth.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She\u2019s got her slip. Yeah, everybody got one through the mail. Twenty million dollars out there waitin\u2019 on you, for some crooked druggist, or drug firms that overcharged you, twenty million dollars (clears throat) waitin\u2019 on folk that want to get it. (Pause) And almost every one of you used those antibiotics, so you don\u2019t have to feel you\u2019re lying. Most every one of you used one of those antibiotics, and all you have to do is to send in something less than a hundred and fifty dollars, and they will not bother to even\u2013 And it says so in writing, so that\u2019s proof clear. People\u2013 what they say there in writing, you don\u2019t have to prove<\/em> it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (Inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, and those that live at 1340 and 1360 Westlake in our church apartments here, you don\u2019t send them either without checking with me. (Pause) Nothing wrong with it. I just don\u2019t want nobody to get in any kind of a news story, you know, all of us getting it in one spot.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Don\u2019t expect people to be grateful.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I do want to see if I see Barbara Hendrix, I want to have\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2013 I have a word to say for her.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> One of the brothers we\u2019ve helped to\u2013 has been kind of uh, influenced by a Jezebel. (Pause) Next question.<\/p>\n

Female7:<\/strong> Father, I would like to know why there\u2019re so many black people nowadays getting cancer?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (clears throat) Cancer and blood pressure problems increasing. Maybe they\u2019re doing something in our diets. Who knows? But who\u2013 I\u2019m not worried about their cancer\u2013 the cancer they\u2019re giving us, \u2018cause they\u2019re gonna get a bigger cancer. But uh, who knows what they\u2019re up to? Amazing\u2013 it said an amazing increase in cancer amongst black people. Yes. Maybe they know how to cure<\/em> cancer. Some say they do. Some doctors in jail that I know we\u2019ve helped say they know how<\/em> to cure cancer. One of them worked for the National Cancer Research<\/em> Society. Said they have the cure in laetrile, and they don\u2019t want it to be known because there\u2019d be so much money lost to the drug industries and to doctors who cut when they don\u2019t need to cut. So maybe if they know how to cure<\/em> it, they also know how to give<\/em> it. They know how to give it to mice<\/em>. Hmmm?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She\u2019s right<\/em>. That wasn\u2019t a dumb question. It was a very intelligent question. Lot of health factors are increasing\u2013 Disease factors are increasing rapidly<\/em> amongst the black race for some unexplained reason. (Pause) Is that the last question? There\u2019s no one else stand. And I\u2013 I had people gettin\u2019 up on me that were not on the floor. (Clears throat) And all right, now, that\u2019s it. Nobody else stand.<\/p>\n

Female8:<\/strong> One of\u2013 one of my questions is already answered, because I told Ramona that I was going to bring the paper for her to help me fill it and uh, I didn\u2019t see her that Wednesday at all, and of course, I couldn\u2019t find the paper, and I wanted to know where to get the paper. That was one of my questions. And the next question I wanted to a little advice on the\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You better hear the first one first, honey. (Pause) Uh, anything you want answered, you better\u2013 \u2018cause she\u2019s got that lovely little Caribbean accent that comes through this microphone somewhat gushy.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Clears throat) We won\u2019t have many more long<\/em> sessions of questions. I think we said enough. If you heard this sermon\u2013 this sermon should be saved under close custody. This sermon and (unintelligible word)\u2013 this sermon. If you had no other sermon but this one, this sermon would save you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Delayed applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What was it?<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> (inaudible)<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Thank you. You told her. (Clears throat) Next question? Last two. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Female9:<\/strong> Uh, Father, my\u2013 my question was regarding the six o\u2019clock meditation period. I wanted to know, should we all be meditating on the same thing at this time, or should it be for personal meditation?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Pause) (sighs) (pause) You always think before you speak, I\u2019m talking to myself, sweet. (clears throat) (pause) I always do that, \u2018cause I love you very, very much and I want to be sure that I say, thank you for your questions and give you a feeling of warmth that I love you in spite of points when I don\u2019t agree with where your head\u2019s<\/em> at. I\u2019ve been talking about giving our lives. As Jesus said, no man takes<\/em> my life, but I lay down my life on my own terms. And you are now interested in meditations. At another sermon, it might be more appropriate<\/em> for us to deal with meditations, but after being\u2013 trying to get across the suffering today, by being struck several healthy blows, I somehow feel that the question\u2013 anything to do with meditations and health and gettin’ ourselves well, is on a lesser plane than we ought to be today. I\u2019m sure that you\u2019re a very honorable woman, and many here would speak much more selfishly, you\u2019re just more honest<\/em>. What is it you\u2019re concerned about meditating for<\/em>, hon?<\/p>\n

Female9:<\/strong> No, it wasn\u2019t uh, more or less of a\u2013 a personal meditation, but I uh\u2013 I just never did understand that point of meditation cleary, like what we were supposed to be\u2013 I know<\/em> what we were meditating for, but like, I was speaking\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What are we meditating for, sweetheart?<\/p>\n

Female9:<\/strong> We are meditating for this uh\u2013 this new movement for equality and justice and freedom\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Female9:<\/strong> \u2013 and that\u2013 and that I know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s good\u2013 that\u2019s a good answer.<\/p>\n

Female9:<\/strong> Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You answered your own question. (Clears throat)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Meditations are important. The Synchronicity Law\u2013 You should look that word up. When you synchronize\u2013 and I am an energy field center\u2013 (clears throat). It\u2019s a fact that you can meditate on me and get health. If you\u2019re not getting that health \u2013 and I was glad your questions showed a nobler cause than health \u2013 (Pause) if you\u2019re meditating just for your own health, though it\u2019ll work<\/em> for you and you\u2019ll get results<\/em>, it\u2019s a lesser plane. Best thing is to not concern yourself with that. We propagate our candles to synchronize meditations for protection for the total group, for the leadership, for the movement. And we propagate the candles and pictures to raise funds for the cause. And they\u2019re very essential to have a visual contact, because what you visualize, you will tend to materialize. However, you can make a mental and spiritual contact without any contact with any physical item with me. And if it works for you, you\u2013 No one could deny it, no one could take it from you, \u2018cause once it\u2019s worked for you, you know what I\u2019m talking about. (clears throat).<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. That\u2019s the last? Uh, no, one brother there I\u2013 uh, I see he\u2019s still standing.<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> Father\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>What is it?<\/p>\n

Male:<\/strong> \u2013when the coun\u2013 uh, when the city council of Los Angeles, \u2018cause they\u2019ll put chlorine in the water, is\u2013 is that going to be a forerunner of bad or worser things to come?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I wouldn\u2019t say that chlorine is (clears throat) other than that they maybe wanting to kill off everybody a little bit. That\u2019s what they did before they found out how\u2013 how to kill off people more specifically<\/em>. There is question about fluoridation in the water, that it does great damage to humans, and at first they didn\u2019t care who<\/em> they killed. After all, the rich can afford mineral spring water, you know, and get<\/em> it. Many people in Los Angeles buy water, even moderately well to do. (Pause) But now they\u2019ve found a more specific<\/em> way of extermination, and they will use that, and I\u2019m sure they\u2019ll not be trying to kill us through a general chemical that would apply to all races equally. (Voice rises) I don\u2019t know if or when they going to do it, I\u2019m sure they will<\/em> do it (clears throat) and no doubt, as you say, it could<\/em> be a forerunner. Is that the last question? (clears throat)<\/p>\n

End of Part I<\/strong><\/p>\n

Long Tape silence<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Part II<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013brave as we are to name what they are, and there no point to belaboring, uh, this kind of thing and then perhaps bring a severance between people, but people get nervous. That\u2019s why the country is in dangerous shape. That\u2019s why we have a plan. Peace. (Voice rises) That\u2019s why we<\/em> have a plan.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. I don\u2019t want any clapping now. We have a plan called Operation Hope, because indeed, you see, most people are willing to talk in these glittering generalities. Now there\u2019s no use to talk about having a c\u2013 a situation where there will be no experimentation on human bodies, until you take the power out of the rich class. Now, no clapping. There is no need to talk. We are being foolish. That\u2019s why I said they are horsing\u2013 horse-assing around when we discuss this problem apart from an ideological point of view. Now, as he said, if you give the people<\/em>\u2013 you give the people the kind of government that they want. Well, what was he saying? If the people had the facts, what would they choose? Socialism, of course. When the people recognize that the c\u2013 the conditions as they are, if the people of America knew<\/em> what was happening, if the press wasn\u2019t under the control of the rich capitalist \u2013 one newspaper in every town under the control of the dominant class \u2013 if the people knew the facts<\/em> that the reason they don\u2019t have free medicine, the reason they don\u2019t have good schools, the reason they don\u2019t have freedom from war and poverty is because the capitalist hold on to riches like J. Paul Getty, fourteen million four hundred thousand dollars a day he makes on interest of his money alone. Now if they knew<\/em> those facts, anybody \u2013 even chimpanzees \u2013 would choose socialism.<\/p>\n

Voice in Crowd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Anybody<\/em> would. It\u2019s only logical. So the question, you see, he\u2013 he\u2013 But he wants to be safe, and say let the people have the government that they want. Well, of course<\/em> that\u2019s what we say, but he\u2013 who did he model? I\u2013 He wasn\u2019t able to answer me. I said, where is good medicine known? He grinned. It\u2019s only<\/em> known in socialist countries. Good medicine, the mortality rate amongst babies has only been corrected in socialist<\/em> countries. Life expectancy has been increased only in socialist<\/em> countries. Capitalist countries, the life expectancy is still very low, and infant mortality is very high, and the prominence I would like to got on further. Now for instance in China, no one \u2013 according to your newspapers \u2013 no one has to lock a hotel door, no one has to lock an automobile door, no one has to lock up a locker in a school, no one has been known to steal anything<\/em> off of anyone so long in Peiping hotels, that every hotel room is open and free so people can come in and out of the Peiping hotels. They can come in and out of all the places of public use. And anyone can uh, touch freely the relics of the museums. They can go up and look at priceless jewels and not one of them is stolen. Now\u2013<\/p>\n

End of Tape<\/strong><\/p>\n

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