{"id":68794,"date":"2017-03-15T12:19:13","date_gmt":"2017-03-15T19:19:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68794"},"modified":"2017-03-16T15:34:12","modified_gmt":"2017-03-16T22:34:12","slug":"q1289-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68794","title":{"rendered":"Q1289 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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(This tape was obtained from the U.S. State Department under the Freedom of Information Act by Josef Dieckman, who also transcribed it. The editors of the site gratefully acknowledge his invaluable assistant in both obtaining and transcribing this tape.)<\/em><\/p>\n

[phone rings]<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Hello, is Mr. Ellice in?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Yes. Just a minute please.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Okay. Thank you.<\/p>\n

[talking in background]<\/p>\n

Doug Ellice:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Hello, Mr. Ellice?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> This is [unintelligible name]<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Hi, [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Uh, Sharon Amos called.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> And she wants you to call her.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Have you got her number\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yup\u2013 Thank you.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Bye bye.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Bye.<\/p>\n

[sounds of phone being dialed, ringing, extraneous noise and conversation in background]<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got your number, darling. (pause) Hello? Three times I dialed [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Sharon Amos:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Oh, hello. Excuse me. Uh, hold on just a minute. Sharon? Uh, this is Mrs. Ellice, and my husband [unintelligible word] to speak with you.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Hello, Sharon?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah, this is Doug.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> The Embassy just called me, said you wanted to talk to me.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Oh, no. I already talked to you. You call\u2013 I mean\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I called you<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> I guess this is before.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh\u2013 Okay\u2013 I di\u2013 I\u2013 I\u2019ve been out of the house this morning. So I guess uh, the Marine didn\u2019t know that I\u2019ve already spoken to you.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Do you know where Jim Schollaert is? He wanted to come and talk to Dick Dwyer on the radio. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s too late or not. I\u2019ve been trying to get him all morning.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Last I knew he was at the Embassy. But that was an hour ago.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Oh, I see.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 He wanted to talk to Dick Dwyer on the radio?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Uh-huh.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, well\u2013 What do you want me to do? T\u2013 Try to find him and tell him to go over to the house?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s\u2013 it depends uh, if he comes right, uh\u2013 see\u2013 it\u2019s getting close to the time when they\u2019re gonna be leaving, so [unintelligible] Lemme check. Hold on. [speaks to Mike Carter in Jonestown via the ham radio]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Copy?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Roger.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Is it too late for Jim Schollaert to talk to Dick Dwyer?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Uh, stand by. Why? Is he over there now?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> No. I was\u2013 I\u2019m still trying to reach him.<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Uh, I think it\u2019s gonna get too late by\u2013 by the time, uh, he [unintelligible<\/p>\n

string] probably too late, \u2018cause they\u2019re gonna leave in 20 minutes.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> He has to leave in 20 minutes?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay. I guess he can talk to him when he gets in then.<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> What\u2019s that?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> I guess he can talk to him when he comes in to the airport.<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Yeah, [unintelligible string]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay. Thanks, Mike. Stand by.<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Okay, roger.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, it\u2019s gonna be too late.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> But I\u2019ve been trying to reach him all morning. Would you tell him that because\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Sure. And you haven\u2019t heard anything yet about any\u2013 excuse me, I\u2019m about to snee\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> About what?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Hold on\u2013 [attempts to suppress sneeze] Hold on a minute\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> [sneezes] Excuse me.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> You got a cold, huh?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I had to sneeze. Yeah, I got a terrible cold. You haven\u2019t heard anything yet about any delays? We can still count on them leaving at 2 o\u2019clock?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> [unintelligible] They\u2019ve got it all set to leave [unintelligible] leaving in 20 minutes, which gives them only an hour.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah. Okay, great. All righty. I\u2019ll tell Jim that you\u2019re looking for him.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Well\u2013 might as well not now, because\u2013 just tell him he can talk to Dick Dwyer when he comes in.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> All right. Will do.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> See ya later.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, bye.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

[phone being dialed and ringing; unrelated conversations in the background]<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Good afternoon. United States Embassy.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah, [unintelligible] Doug Ellice. Is, uh, James Schollaert there? He was\u2013 he\u2019s the uh, staffer on the Congressman\u2019s uh, trip. He was up with there with the ambassador with Mr. English earlier this morning.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Okay. This morning when Mr.\u2013 The ambassador came in, he came in by himself, and uh, Mr. English was here, but he was by himself.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Well, Mr. Schollaert was there \u2018cause he called me from the embassy.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> I see. We\u2013 no, I haven\u2019t seen him. Hold on. Lemme ask Mr. Weaver if he knows. [covers phone and speaks to someone nearby, then returns to phone] Mr. Ellice.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah\u2013 (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Uh, no he\u2019s not, Mr. Ellice.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, good. Thanks a lot. Can you hook me up to the ambassador\u2019s office?<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Okay. Sure can.<\/p>\n

[background noise]<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Mr. Ellice, he\u2019s on anothe\u2013 nother line right now. Would you hold for a while?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Sure.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

[background noise]<\/p>\n

Ambassador John Burke:<\/strong> Yes\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Sir\u2013 Sir, this is Doug Ellice.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Oh, Doug, yeah. I was on the other line with Peter Londono.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh. Okay\u2013 All right. The Peoples Temple just called me and they wanted to find Mr. Schollaert, because he<\/em> apparently wanted to talk to Dick Dwyer. They wanted\u2013 Peoples Temple wanted Mr. Schollaert to know that they probably weren\u2019t going to be able to put him through to Dick, because the group is rounding itself up now and getting ready to go down to the airstrip in another hour.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Oh, it sounds like they\u2019ve\u2013 Well, I guess it\u2019ll take\u2013 it\u2019ll take a while. So maybe the 2 o\u2019clock uh, departure time is gonna hold, huh?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yes. They have\u2013 they have no information to indicate that it won\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Okay. Well, I was just making arrangements to have Peter, who is Duty Officer, uh, go out in my car to meet uh, uh, the Congressman and bring him back to my house.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, fine. Do you want me to do anything?<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think so, Doug. I think that, uh, Sally is going to send out uh, Dick\u2019s car with Sidney\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> \u2013uh, same time. So there should be transport out there by 3 o\u2019clock.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, good. Well, if I uh\u2013 if I hear of any snags, I\u2019ll of course let you know.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Okay. I\u2019m going to be leaving here, oh, I would say within the next 15 minutes, and I\u2019ll be at the\u2013 the house after that.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, fine.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> See you later, sir.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Right. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

[phone hangs up]<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Yes, is this [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Yes, Sharon.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Hi!<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> How are you? I recognize your voice now.<\/p>\n

Amos: <\/strong>Oh, no. We\u2019ve been talking to each other a lot, uh?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Sometime my sister, uh, answer the phone. So, her name is [unintelligible] so, you know, I just wanted to let you know if my sister will answer the phone sometime.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> What\u2019s her name? Sue?<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Sue. You can call her, Sue, right.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure you want to talk to Doug. Hold on one moment.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, thank you.<\/p>\n

Mrs. Ellice:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> It\u2019s to our credit that my wife hasn\u2019t started getting suspicious yet about all these phone calls you\u2019re making.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Oh, I hope not.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> How you doing?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay. Well, uh, the reason I\u2019m calling is they want to talk to you or Jim Schollaert on the d\u2013 uh, Dick Dwyer said he has to talk to you or Jim Schollaert before he leaves. And I can\u2019t get a hold of Dick Schollaert\u2013 no, he\u2019s not at the embassy, not at the hotel, so\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Wait a minute. My daughter\u2019s on the extension. [pause, commotion in background] Yes, please hang up. That was my three year old girl. Uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Oh, [unintelligible] see her sometime.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> [laughs] I\u2019m looking forward to seeing yours<\/em> sometime, too.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019ve got official business in mind, I know.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> [laughs] Anyway. Uh, well can you phone patch me to Dick, or\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> No. We can\u2019t do a phone pa\u2013 patch locally.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> If we\u2013 if we could<\/em>\u2013 I mean, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s even legal, and I\u2013 we don\u2019t have any equipment to do it.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah, okay. Uh\u2013 wha\u2013 Dick just said he wants to talk to me?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> You or Jim Schollaert, and I cannot get a hold of Jim Schollaert. I tried first \u2018cause I knew Jim wanted\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, why don\u2019t you call them. Tell them you\u2019ve got me on the phone and ask if you can pass me a message\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> B\u2013 because, uh, I mean, there\u2019s no more confidentiality to my being<\/em> there. You\u2019re still listening to the radio.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, well, I\u2019ll try and see what he says.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I\u2019m holding\u2013<\/p>\n

[Sharon Amos speaking to Mike Carter in Jonestown via the ham radio]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Mike? Mike, are you there?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> How are you?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Listen, I\u2019ve got Doug Ellice on the phone, copy?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Roger.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> And he asked if\u2013 if uh, I could talk to Dick Dwyer on the radio and uh\u2013<\/p>\n

and relate to him b\u2013 uh, or does he have to talk to him in person?<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Stand by. Lemme ask Dick.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Carter:<\/strong> Okay, [unintelligible string]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, thanks. [to Ellice] Okay, they\u2019re gonna do that. Just\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

[Sharon Amos speaking to Dick Dwyer in Jonestown via the ham radio]<\/p>\n

Dick Dwyer: <\/strong>[unintelligible] We\u2019ve got about six people, uh, not quite sure how many but probably, I\u2019d say, six people [unintelligible] back with us. Uh, in meantime, there\u2019s not gonna be room on that airplane for anybody to come out and we\u2019re probably gonna need another small airplane. Uh, or, uh\u2013 [unintelligible] gonna have to stay and take the first flight out [unintelligible string] Matthew\u2019s Ridge. Uh, [unintelligible string] exact number of people, uh, but I don\u2019t want anybody else coming up in that airplane. And uh, if we can find a small [unintelligible string relating to GuySuCo, a sugar company which owned airplanes]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Well, okay, you have six people coming in besides the whole group, right?<\/p>\n

Dwyer:<\/strong> Uh, yeah\u2013 as far as I can tell\u2013 [unintelligible] and uh, probably don\u2019t want anybody to get on the airplane. Not because there won\u2019t be room at this time and uh, I uh, expect to find another small airplane, uh [unintelligible word] GuySuCo airplane, why, uh, we need that, too.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, so you don\u2019t want anybody coming in on the airplane and uh\u2013 [unintelligible] you\u2013 you have six people coming b\u2013 back, okay.<\/p>\n

Dwyer:<\/strong> [unintelligible string] We\u2019re not exactly sure. It may be more than we can handle [unintelligible string]<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, uh\u2013 you said something else I didn\u2019t copy. You said something else I think uh, about the six people and something about the consul?<\/p>\n

Dwyer:<\/strong> Yeah, just tell Doug I uh, want him out at the airport uh, to meet us uh, uh, once we get back because I may not be able to uh, come back uh, if I have to stay and there\u2019s not enough room in the airplane.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, uh, roger\u2013 Stand by\u2013 [back to Ellice] Okay, he says he needs another small airplane to come up, a GuySuCo or something\u2013 [unintelligible]?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> And uh, that he has six people that are gonna be coming back\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Well, that plane holds 18<\/em>\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> I know. Six more<\/em> people.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh, I see. So there\u2019re 24 coming back?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> (Pause) Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay. So he needs one more plane to go up?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Right. And he may have to stay there if there\u2019s not room for him to come back.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh-huh. Okay. Anything else?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> [unintelligible] [Speaks to Dick Dwyer in Jonestown via the ham radio] Is that all? Is that all? (Pause) Is there anything else?<\/p>\n

Dwyer:<\/strong> Uh, that\u2019s it for the moment, Sharon. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, roger. Stand by. [Back to Ellice] Okay, that\u2019s it for now.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, does he want me to go over to your house and talk to him on the radio or does he want me to go the airport\u2013<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> \u2013 airplane, to meet the plane.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh, he wants me to meet the plane?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, good. Okay, thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> See ya later.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Hello? Hello?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah?<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> What\u2019d you say?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I said, see you later.<\/p>\n

Amos:<\/strong> Okay, bye-bye.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

[phone being dialed]<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> [apparently to someone else in the room] Yes, a little bit. Very slightly. Only when they talk can you tune in.<\/p>\n

[ringing phone]<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> They\u2019re bringing some people out. I thought that was him.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Good morning. United States Embassy. May I help you?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah, is Frank English there?<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Uh, no, he\u2019s not.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Is the Ambassador still there?<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Yes, he is.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Let me talk to him, please.<\/p>\n

Marine:<\/strong> Okay. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Sir, I just got a call from Sharon Amos who just got a call from Dick Dwyer.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Dick had a message for me. They\u2019re bringing out six people in addition to their 18. That means they need another plane and he wants me at the airport to meet. So it sounds like they\u2019re bringing somebody out.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah. Uh, get a hold of uh, Franklin, see what you can do, huh?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I\u2019m trying. I just\u2013 I just asked downstairs. He apparently has left the embassy. I\u2019ll try his house.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Oh he has, [unintelligible] I know that.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Oh, okay. I\u2019ll try his house.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Get him at the house or, c\u2013 he may be with Schollaert at the hotel. That\u2019s where he called me earlier, but that was probably an hour ago.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, I\u2019ll\u2013 I\u2019ll try to find him.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Six people are coming out.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if he\u2019s gonna get<\/em> a plane. [laughs]<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> I don\u2019t\u2013 uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> It\u2013 it\u2019s kinda short notice\u2013<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> \u2013 very real possibility he won\u2019t<\/em>, but at any rate, tell him to give it a try and keep in touch, huh?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yes, I will. I\u2019ll uh\u2013 I\u2019ll keep you posted. I may have to come in.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh, but I\u2019ll keep you posted on this.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah, okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> All right. Is anyone in C and R?<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Bill Ford is just about to fold up.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, uh\u2013 uh, is there anybody else in the building who knows how to get in to there\u2013 other\u2013 other than yourself?<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> For\u2013 for what?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh, I was thinking in case I had to send a message.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019ll just have to get \u2018em in<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> We\u2019ll just have to open up\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> \u2013 since we have a flash or an emergency of any sort.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, fi\u2013 Okay, sir. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Wait a minute, now uh, before you get off the phone. I was going to send Peter Londono out in my car, but uh, why don\u2019t you go out in my car?<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 oh, we may need an extra car, sir, if we\u2019ve got more people.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Well, uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> I may t\u2013 I think I\u2019ll take my car out there.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Uh, and if fact we might even want to lay on\u2013 uh, well, we probably can\u2019t.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> But I think we\u2019ll need all the cars we can get out there.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah. Well, in\u2013 in any event there are always cabs around there.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Yeah, that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Uh, and certainly we\u2019re not going to haul back all the reporters. Those guys are gonna make their own way in, plus all the next of kin.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Right. No, what I was thinking about the\u2013 the six\u2013<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> The six, yeah.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Those six, I might wanna grab and take with me straight to the office before anybody else talks to \u2018em.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah, well\u2013 uh\u2013 Let\u2019s see, Dick\u2019s car is gonna be there, and my car will be there, and if your car is there, then uh, that should take care of Speiers [Jackie Speier], the congressman, and uh\u2013 and, and Dick and yourself uh, and probably six people too.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, fine. Okay, I\u2019ll do that. I\u2019ll be there at 3 o\u2019clock. In the meantime, I\u2019ll try to get Frank English.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Yeah, uh, well\u2013 uh, if you have any trouble running him down, uh, gimme a call, but he shoulda\u2013 I\u2019ve\u2013 I\u2019m sure he\u2019s sticking pretty close to home on this.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Okay, fine. Thank you, sir.<\/p>\n

Burke:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Bye-bye.<\/p>\n

[phone hangs up, then 12:45 of extraneous talk \u2013 including the exchange with the receptionist at the Pegasus Hotel \u2013 and sounds of phone being dialed, ringing, repeated busy signals and redialing for several minutes]<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> Pegasus. Good afternoon.<\/p>\n

Ellice:<\/strong> Good afternoon. This is the American Embassy calling. I\u2019m trying to reach Mr. Frank English, our administrative officer, who may be there at the Pegasus with one of your guests, Mr. Schollaert. Could you ring Mr. Schollaert\u2019s room, please?<\/p>\n

Receptionist:<\/strong> One moment please.<\/p>\n

[long pause, extraneous noise, unrelated exchanges. At one point, Joe Hartmann apparently shows up at the Ellice residence, more unrelated talking, dialing and ringing phone\u2013 apparently at some point Joe Hartmann has taken over the phone, and along the way, says to someone in the room at his end \u201cAsk if they know where Frank English is.\u201d]<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Hey, Jerry!<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Jerry?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Who is this?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Okay, look, is uh, David around?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> What about Jerry?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> He left [unintelligible] this morning.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> This is Joe Hartmann from the embassy, right?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Do you know what David\u2019s number is?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Ah\u2013 you wa\u2013 you want David?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> We\u2013 he gone in the bush.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> He went to the bush, huh?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Lookit, I need\u2013 I need to get that Islander for this afternoon for a flight. You know the Islander that uh\u2013 that\u2019s right down from you guys there that\u2013 I don\u2019t know, it\u2019s a red, uh, red trim\u2013 the yellow one with red trim.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Red, yellow\u2013<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> You know the one I\u2019m talking about. It\u2019s the only other Islander there at Ogle, right?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Not GDF. It\u2019s the oth\u2013 it\u2019s the one that flies in the oil drums all the time. Right?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Who owns that, do you know?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> That\u2019s a GDF.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Man, I don\u2019t want GDF! The one that\u2019s [unintelligible] from you guys, down at the end of the, the line of\u2013 of uh, hangars, right? Not GDF!<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> That\u2019s Mr. [unintelligible name]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> That\u2019s the one, right? What\u2019s his number?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> 2395.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Huh?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> 2395.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> 2395.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Okay. Here, um\u2013 is the plane there, do you know?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Yeah, the plane is.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> 2395. And what\u2019s his name?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Mr. Granfeld. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Okay, good. Thank you very much. If Jerry comes in, tell him to call me, Okay?<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Tell Jerry to call you?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Yeah. At home.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> He has my number.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> What that number?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> 66\u2013 794.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> 66794.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Roger.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Male 2:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Bye bye.<\/p>\n

[phone being dialed, extraneous noise and chatter]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Port Kaituma? [pause] Hello? [pause] Hello?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> Hello?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Yes, Mr. Granfeld?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> No, sir.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Is he there, please?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> [unintelligible]<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Is Mr. Granfeld there?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> No, he\u2019s not here.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Where can I reach him?<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> I can\u2019t say. He left for Georgetown this morning.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Ah. Look, this is Mr. Joe Hartmann.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> Mr. who?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Hartmann.<\/p>\n

Male 3:<\/strong> Hold on a minute please.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> Hello.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Hi.<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> Who are\u2013<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Man, I\u2013 Look\u2013 I\u2019m Mr. Hartmann from the American Embassy\u2013 the American Vice Consul.<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> The American Vice Consul?<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Male 4:<\/strong> Okay.<\/p>\n

Hartmann:<\/strong> I nee-<\/p>\n

End of recording<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tape originally posted March 2017<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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