{"id":68845,"date":"2017-03-15T14:23:31","date_gmt":"2017-03-15T21:23:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68845"},"modified":"2019-11-26T10:32:59","modified_gmt":"2019-11-26T18:32:59","slug":"q1021-a-summary","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=68845","title":{"rendered":"Q1021-A Summary"},"content":{"rendered":"

Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

To read Tape Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>. To read the Annotated Tape Transcript,\u00a0click here<\/a>.
\nListen to MP3<\/a>. To return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

FBI Catalogue<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jones Speaking<\/p>\n

FBI preliminary tape identification note: <\/strong>None<\/p>\n

Date cues on tape:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 August 1972 (Katsaris family introduction to Peoples Temple, according to Raven<\/em>)<\/p>\n

\u00a0<\/strong>People named:<\/strong><\/p>\n

People in attendance at Peoples Temple service:<\/em>
\nChaikin (likely Eugene, could be Phyllis)
\nMiss Dupont (likely Ellen Dupont, also called Penny Kerns)
\nDr. Eaton
\nGwen
\nHarold
\nJack
\nLaura (several in Temple)
\nNoah (could be part of Katsaris family)
\nSimon Peter
\nPolly
\nThomas family
\nSister Yee<\/div>\n

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Jim Cobb
\nLiz Foreman
\nHazel Grigsby
\nMaria Katsaris
\nMarceline LeTourneau
\nBea Morton
\nJane Mutschsmann
\nDale Parks
\nWayne Pietila
\nEdith Roller (speaks)<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Public figures\/National and international names:<\/em>
\nHo Chi Minh, leader of North Vietnam
\nSukarno, President of Indonesia
\nMohammad Mosaddegh, deposed prime minister of Iran (by reference)
\nCharles Darwin, naturalist
\nGeorge Orwell, author of 1984
\nGeorge Christopher, former mayor of San Francisco<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Steven Katsaris, Greek Orthodox priest, teacher in Ukiah (speaks)<\/div>\n

 <\/p>\n

Bible verses cited:<\/b><\/p>\n

(Editor’s note<\/strong>: The verses below appear in order of biblical reference, not as they appear in Jim Jones\u2019 address. For a complete scriptural index to the sermons of Jim Jones, click here<\/a>.)<\/i><\/p>\n

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      \u201cBut when people actually get up and try to support uh, differences of race based on some ridiculous Bible passage or some curse. We\u2019ve had this happen right in the school system, where they bring up the curse of Ham, It makes us uptight, but we\u2019ve found no solution just but to just mill along.\u201d (Curse of Ham in Genesis 9:20-27)<\/ol>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

      \u201cIt doesn\u2019t inspire you quickly to make a lot of platitudes about the universe, so I just simply say, quite compatible with Christ teachings. I think they\u2019ve never been tried, so I\u2019d like to give them a whirl. If your enemy hungers, feed him.\u201d (from Matthew 25: 35-45, which appeared on Peoples Temple letterhead)<\/p>\n

      \u201cThere\u2019s a wonderful extra sensory power that works. It\u2019s compatible with what I see in the Scripture as the nine gifts.\u201d (I Corinthians 12:7-11)<\/p>\n

      Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

      (Editor’s note:<\/strong> This tape was transcribed by Georgiana Mamlakah<\/em>. The<\/em> editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

      [Editor’s note<\/strong>: This address almost certainly follows Q 1021<\/a>.]<\/p>\n

      Although this tape is from a single evening at Peoples Temple in Ukiah, there are two separate, and equally significant, parts. In the first, Jim Jones has a conversation with a Greek Orthodox priest and head of the religious Trinity School in Ukiah, a man named Steven Katsaris, who is in attendance for the first or second time with his family, including his daughter, Maria. In the second part of the tape, Jones spends a great deal of time analyzing the conversation which the people in the pews have just heard, and urges several members to cultivate the relationship with the family, and especially with \u201cthe little girl,\u201d the 19-year-old woman who would become a key figure in the Temple\u2019s history, especially during its last year.<\/p>\n

      The tape opens with Steven Katsaris speaking about being his family blocked from attending Temple services the previous week, an event which led Jones to invite him as a special guest for a midweek meeting (which few non-members ever attended). Jones explains what happens \u2013 without apology or expression of regret, however \u2013 and expresses happiness that the priest has returned.<\/p>\n

      Jones then speaks at length about the Temple\u2019s life in Ukiah, describing the social services facilities it has opened in its years there and the diversity of people\u2019s viewpoints in the church, all of which are welcomed. He speaks fairly openly of the challenges the church has faced, especially with the racial make-up of its congregation. The area has challenged him as well: \u201cI lived in an interracial setting that was really a deprived neighborhood for about 13 years with my family, so in a sense, we don\u2019t feel that we have as much to offer<\/em> an agricultural community.\u201d<\/p>\n

      The church\u2019s \u2013 and the minister\u2019s \u2013 theology has also been a concern, Jones notes. He is more liberal than the rural community, and while the Temple has fundamentalist members, including some who have made the journey from Indiana, it also incudes \u2013 and embraces \u2013 the agnostics and atheists in the community.<\/p>\n

      As a result of all this, Jones acknowledges, the church is thinking about relocating its main facility to the Bay Area and letting Redwood Valley serve as a retreat center. Certainly, he adds, the Temple has not tried to poach members from other Ukiah churches.<\/p>\n

      It is a calm and straightforward address, and while he describes some of his healing powers, he does not claim perfection or divinity. \u201cI\u2019m distraught that I cannot effect cures for all that are sick. We have effected cures for phenomenal things,\u201d but his work does not represent \u201ca panacea.\u201d Instead, he says, the church works to implements Christ\u2019s words about feeding the hungry and clothing the naked.<\/p>\n

      \u201cWe really can\u2019t say Christianity\u2019s failed,\u201d Jones tells his guests. \u201cMaybe the church<\/em> has, but we\u2019ve never really tried Christianity\u2026 I\u2019d like to give [Christ\u2019s teachings] a whirl.\u201d<\/p>\n

      Jones listens respectfully to Katsaris\u2019 description of his own church and his own school, interjecting several questions and inviting one or two members to participate.<\/p>\n

      After Steven has left \u2013 undoubtedly with Maria, given the fact that she is referred to in the third person, and that Jones outlines a strategy to bring her into the church \u2013 the Temple leader speaks of his own humility and of how that will work to their advantage. \u201cI\u2019m quite confident that I can move heaven and earth<\/em>, but you don\u2019t tell<\/em> people that. You prove<\/em> it to them, and you take \u2018em little by little, and then prove<\/em> it to them. Then you can do a lot more than if you make great big promises. If you don\u2019t promise and produce<\/em>, that\u2019s better than to promise and not produce.\u201d<\/p>\n

      Jones also says that Katsaris lied to them, but that he \u2013 Jones \u2013 lied as well. \u201cWe\u2019re playing games.\u201d He does resort to telling lies himself, he admits, but only if it helps his people. And a successful lie has an element of truth to it, something for them to fall back on if they\u2019re ever caught out. \u201cThey do find out that I believe I\u2019m God, or you believe I\u2019m God, I perfectly made a way for it, \u2018cause I said I don\u2019t believe there\u2019s anything up there<\/em>. The only thing that there is, is here in me<\/em>, but I didn\u2019t say that<\/em>.\u201d<\/p>\n

      His main concern is if he downplayed himself so much that they will not be able to bring Maria in. \u201cI might\u2019ve thrown away too much charisma here for her to be won, because all people are won through that image. Everyone likes their God or their leader to be put up high, and I put myself down pretty low, so she might have lost some of that necessary initiation charisma.\u201d The best solution, he proposes, is for young people in the Temple to invite her to a social event and have them talk up what Jim Jones can actually do.<\/p>\n

      The tape ends with a portion of a Temple service which is not often recorded, the collection of money from the congregation, something that happened several times a service but which Jones usually edited out.<\/p>\n

      FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

      Date of transcription: 7\/3\/79<\/p>\n

      In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation\u2019s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.<\/p>\n

      On June 14, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B107-33. This tape was found to contain the following:<\/p>\n

      JIM JONES speaking before a group about the PT, the Church, and miscellaneous topics. JONES also engages the group in questions and answers with discussion.<\/p>\n

      Differences with FBI Summary:<\/strong><\/p>\n

      The summary is accurate and meets the FBI\u2019s purposes.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

      Tape originally posted\u00a0March 2017.<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

      Summary prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you. To read Tape Transcript,\u00a0click here. To read the Annotated Tape Transcript,\u00a0click here. Listen to MP3. To return to the Tape Index, click here. FBI Catalogue\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jones Speaking FBI preliminary tape identification note: None Date cues on […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":27996,"menu_order":683,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-68845","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/68845","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=68845"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/68845\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":93539,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/68845\/revisions\/93539"}],"up":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/pages\/27996"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=68845"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}