{"id":71462,"date":"2017-11-04T11:02:17","date_gmt":"2017-11-04T18:02:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=71462"},"modified":"2021-08-13T14:38:54","modified_gmt":"2021-08-13T21:38:54","slug":"serial-1681-16","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=71462","title":{"rendered":"Serial 1681-16"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[<strong>Editor\u2019s note<\/strong>: This FD-302 interview with Dale Parks appears two different places, as <strong><a href=\"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/Serial-1557-5.pdf\">part 5 of Serial 1557<\/strong><\/a> and as <a href=\"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/10\/Serial-1681-16.pdf\"><strong>part 16 of Serial 1681<\/strong><\/a>, the FBI\u2019s 387-page report of January 12, 1979. While each version of the interview had unique deletions \u2013 designated by blue type \u2013 only in the latter interview was the subject inadvertently identified two times as Dale Parks. The deleted information which is known to the editor is indicated by red type.]<\/p>\n<p>[This section of Serial 1681 covers page 165-183 of the FBI Report of January 12, 1979.]<\/p>\n<p>FD-302<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Federal Bureau of Investigation<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Date of transcription <u>1\/2\/79<\/u><\/p>\n<p>An individual, who identified himself as [name deleted] [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Edwin Parks<\/span>] was contacted as he departed Pan Am flight 228 at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFKIA), Queens, New York (NY). At this time, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was advised of the identities of Special Agent (SA) [name deleted], Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and SA [name deleted], United States Secret Service (USSS). [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was advised that the nature of the interview concerned the assassination of Congressman Leo Ryan and the activities of the People&#8217;s Temple. After conferring with Attorney, [name deleted], [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that he was willing to provide information to the interviewing Agents.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] recalled that his first affiliation with Reverend Jim Jones was [<span style=\"color: blue;\">Partially released at Serial 1681-16: at the age of [word deleted]<\/span> when his parents lived in [location deleted]. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that his parents were taken to hear Jones speak either in [<span style=\"color: blue;\">Springfield or South Charleston, Ohio.<\/span>] [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that he saw <span style=\"color: blue;\">[Released at Serial 1557-5: Jones]<\/span> as a good person, concerned for racial equality and healing the sick. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] became an official church member in [date deleted] when Jones was in Redwood Valley, California. He advised that his family moved to Ukiah, California, at this time. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] recalled that Jones had proclaimed that the area of Redwood Valley was a &#8220;protective zone&#8221; from a nuclear attack. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he was active in the People&#8217;s Temple youth groups [4 lines heavily redacted] [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he also helped Jones and the congregational meetings and with the general organization of the People&#8217;s Temple.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that his parents did not have a title within the People&#8217;s Temple. He indicated that his father [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Gerald Parks<\/span>] had been a [half line deleted] in Ukiah, California. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>]\u2019s mother, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Patty Parks<\/span>] had been a [line deleted] Ukiah, California.<\/p>\n<p>[Page 2]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>[4-line paragraph on Dale Parks\u2019 education heavily redacted]<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that <span style=\"color: blue;\">[Partially released at Serial 1681-16: his wife,<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Joyce Touchette Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">was [word deleted] and in March of 19777, she]<\/span> went to Jonestown, Guyana. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he remained in San Francisco and that he was beginning to have doubts about the People&#8217;s Temple and Jim Jones. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he left the church in <span style=\"color: blue;\">[July of 1977]<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he was afraid of threats previously made by Jones and was also concerned about his family. He explained that Jim Jones&#8217; wife, Marceline Jones, found in in [him in?] December of 1977 in San Francisco. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Marceline Jones begged him to return to the People&#8217;s Temple and gave him money plus a round-trip airline ticket to Guyana. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that he decided to go to Jonestown to check it out and that he arrived in Jonestown on <span style=\"color: blue;\">[January 12, 1978]<\/span>. Upon his arrival, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] said that he was ushered into the settlement by armed guards, his return trip airlines ticket was taken from him, and all his other possessions were taken from him. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that he was forced to stay in the Jonestown settlement from the first day he arrived. He stated that he was forced to write letters to people in the United States (US) describing how beautiful it was. He also indicated that Jones forced people to send similar radio messages. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that the mail was also censored. He indicated that Rita Tupper was in charge of the letter writing committee. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that those individuals who did not comply with the rules of the settlement were beaten or made to do things at gunpoint. He also explained that on several occasions, he saw a large snake around one&#8217;s neck. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>]<\/p>\n<p>[Page 3]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>said the beatings were horrible and that they were always for some ridiculous reason. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that sexual relationships had to be approved by Jones. He described one situation when a Kay Roses [Rosas] and an unknown male, who were caught having sexual relations without having gotten approval from Jones. Jones made an example of them by making them undress in front of the group at the Jonestown pavilion and told to perform sexual intercourse.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that church members did sign written oaths of incriminating information. He said this was accomplished in San Francisco when you had to sign a blank piece of paper as you attended the congregational meetings. [<span style=\"color: blue;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that in Jonestown, Jones would make you write incriminating statements about yourself and that it was not dated.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Jim Jones did have personal bodyguards and that they were sometimes armed depending on the circumstances. To be a bodyguard meant that you are well trusted and you are able to move about more. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] listed the following individuals as being among Jones&#8217; bodyguards: Jimmy Jones, Jr., Tim Glen Jones, Lou [Lew] Jones, Stephen [Stephan] Jones, Joe Wilson, Bob Kice, Calvin Douglas, John Raphael Cobb, and Pancho [Gary Dartez \u201cPoncho\u201d] Johnson. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Jimmy Jones and Joe Wilson would take charge in the absence of Jimmy Jones, Jr. [Jim Jones]. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that when Jones called an &#8220;Alert&#8221; meeting, the Security Force usually was armed.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] expressed suspicions as to whether Tom Kice was actually involved with the Security Force. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that it never actually appeared that Kice was a security member, in fact, Kice had even been publicly beaten. But now, in view of the fact that Kice was a participant in the Port Kaituma<\/p>\n<p>[Page 4]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>airstrip shooting of Congressman Ryan, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] questioned Kice\u2019s role in the settlement. [<span style=\"color: blue;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Jones had sent Tom Kice to Caracas, Venezuela three days before the shooting. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Tom Kice was the individual who <span style=\"color: blue;\">[shot]<\/span> [several words deleted] [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks&#8217; mother<\/span>] Patricia Parks, at point blank range in the head with a rifle. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was referring to the shooting at the Port Kaituma airstrip on November 18, 1978.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] continued with information regarding the Security Force by stating that they were not always armed. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that there was a &#8220;secret&#8221; security force in addition to those individuals who were known to be security. The secret security was always present spying on the settlement members trying to learn of any derogatory information. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] describe the duties of the Security Force as follows:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) The roamers \u2013 Observe people on suspect list as being &#8220;negatives&#8221;, which included all those previously brought on pavilion stage or those who had expressed a desire to leave<\/p>\n<p>2) To watch those individuals that were being held against their will<\/p>\n<p>3) To protect the property and watch the gate entrance.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Bob Kice was in charge of the daily roaming security. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] identified Danny Marshall, black male, age 19 and Patty Johnson, black female, age 28, as being security force members not previously mentioned. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that Pancho Johnson would assist Bob Kice and that Johnson was often the personal bodyguard <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span> Marceline Jones. Pancho Johnson was a black male, approximately 22-26 years old. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] also listed Bonnie Simon, white female, 30s; Clifford Geig [Gieg], white male, 18-19; and Stanley Geig [Gieg], white male, 16-17, as being members of the Security Force. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Stanley<\/p>\n<p>[Page 5]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>Geig had driven the tractor onto the Port Kaituma airstrip during the November 18th shooting incident. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was not familiar with the term \u201cAngels\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>[Two lines deleted] [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that the members of the Planning Commission were to be a cross representation of the total membership. He indicated that all of the planning commission members were well trusted by Jim Jones. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt that the Planning Commission did not actually exist in Jonestown. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that the Planning Commission was comprised of approximately 50 people and that they usually met about once a week. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] listed the following individuals as being members of the Planning Commission: Terry Buford, Carolyn Layton, Karen Layton, Sharon Amos, Sandy Bradshaw, Maria Katsaris, Harriet Troop [Tropp], Dick Troop [Tropp], Grace Stoen, Tim Stoen, Joyce Parks, Mike Prokes, Tim Carter, Richard Janero [Janaro], Claire Janero [Janaro], Archie Ijmes [Ijames], Helen Swinney, Cleave Swinney, Beatrice Grubbs, Tom Grubbs, Kay Nelson, Debbie Blakely [Blakey] and Lee Ingram. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that any of Jones&#8217; sons were also allowed to attend the meetings. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that if you were a member of the &#8220;Inner Core&#8221; of the Planning Commission, you were very trusted. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] specifically mentioned the following individuals as being in the &#8220;Inner Core&#8221;: Terry Buford, Sandy Bradshaw, Sharon Amos, Maria Katsaris, Carolyn Layton, Karen Layton and Debbie Blakely. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] expressed a great concern over Terry Buford. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Buford was Jones&#8217; &#8220;right arm&#8221; and that she was an identical replica of his mind. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] repeatedly stated that she is the most dangerous individual alive. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that the reason Buford is cooperating now is to get us off her back and that she is the one actually responsible for keeping the movement going. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Buford was not a defector, that she was assigned by Jones to leave the church. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that Buford always followed every command Jones gave to her and that she<\/p>\n<p>[Page 6]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>was extremely loyal to the People&#8217;s Temple. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt that Buford is just using Mark Lane. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] thought that Jones got Mark Lane involved with the People&#8217;s Temple because of his notoriety. Lane made several trips to Jonestown, at which time there were always eloquent dinners and shows. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Mark Lane never really saw what Jonestown was really like.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] believed that officials of the American Embassy and also the Guyanese Government had been compromised by Jones. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Jones bribed officials with women and their sexual favors. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] specifically mentioned Paula Adams, white female, 28; Sharon Amos, white female (Jewish), 45 and Debbie Touchette, black female, 25, as being three women he knew that were probably involved in this matter. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that these three individuals spent most of their time in Georgetown. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] also indicated that Tim Carter was used to infiltrate the Concerned Parents Group.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] did not have any specific information regarding Tim [Jim] Jones\u2019 contact or influence over officials of the State of California. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] did admit that he was very suspicious about the shooting death of Mayor Mascone [George Moscone].<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Soviet officials had visited Jonestown. He indicated that Jones apparently had entertained ideas of moving the group to the Soviet Union. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt that Jones had realized that he had backed himself into a corner and that the People&#8217;s Temple settlement was not working out. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Mike Prokes, Tim Carter and Mike Carter had escaped the mass suicide in possession of a letter to the Soviet Embassy. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt that possibly the letter revealed financial disclosures to the Soviets.<\/p>\n<p>[Page 7]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] estimated that there were more than 50 weapons in Jonestown. He indicated that there was a large variety of weapons including revolvers, automatics, rifles, shotguns. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that he observed one machine gun. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that the weapons were kept in Hut 14 where John Raphael Conn, Jimmy Jones, Jr., and Joel Cobb lived. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] also advised that weapons were kept in the backside of the warehouse. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] describe the warehouse as being located behind the coordinator&#8217;s office. The coordinators were Charles and Joyce Touchette. The Touchettes were in charge of coordinating workdays, agricultural programs, and financial spending. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] further described this location by indicating that it was across from Mr. Muggs\u2019 cage. According to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], Mike Touchette and Stephen Jones also lived at the Coordinator&#8217;s Office. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that the Guyanese customs were very relaxed regarding incoming parcels. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that when he arrived, the Guyanese Customs did not check four of his trunks. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that it was not unusual for contraband to be packed in the bottom of trunks of incoming People&#8217;s Temple members.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was not aware of any specialized firearms training either in Jonestown or in California. He did advise that Stephen Jones was a sharpshooter.<\/p>\n<p>When questioned regarding the existence of a contingency plan made in the event that Jim Jones or the Peoples Temple was attacked publicly, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that he was not familiar with such a plan. He did acknowledge the fact that Jones had often spoke of &#8220;dealing&#8221; with defectors. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Jones often stated that the defectors will get their just reward.<\/p>\n<p>[Page 8]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] was not aware of any officials, state, federal or international, that have been targeted for assassination.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that Jones held suicide practice drills. He felt that Jones did this in order to get a feel of what people would do. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that the \u201cWhite Nights&#8221; were actually the emergency sessions called by Jones that would decide whether they would carry out the suicide plan. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that Jones&#8217; suicide plan was his last resort stand against Fascist America and its Imperialism. Jones had taught that instead of allowing them to take our lives, we will take our own lives.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] did not acknowledge any information regarding a relocation plan except to say that if anyone would know about it then it would be Terry Buford. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] did say that with Jones dead he did not think the People&#8217;s Temple movement would continue.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] provided the following information regarding the shooting at the Port Kaituma airstrip at the assassination of Congressman Ryan:<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] [Ryan?] arrived at Jonestown around 5:00 PM on Friday, November 17, 1978. At this time, everything was going well, as Ryan mingled among the congregation. There was loud applause when Ryan was introduced. The Security Force were not armed, but the &#8220;secret&#8221; security force was mixed among the congregation. That night, Ryan and some of his aides stayed in Jonestown. Members of the Press stayed at Port Kaituma. Saturday morning, November 18, 1978, a breakfast was held for Ryan and members of the Press. At 11:30 AM, things started to go bad. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] [indicated that he and] [several words deleted]<\/p>\n<p>[Page 9]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>were talking about escape. Richard Clark and Donna [Diane] Louie had already left, pretending to be going on a picnic. [several words deleted] <span style=\"color: blue;\">[observed someone digging in the bush near the location where the [name deleted[ family had buried some clothes.<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">advised they had previously hidden some clothes for a future escape. At]<\/span> this point, [several words deleted] thought their plan to leave had been discovered. Edith Parks began talking to newsman and Ryan about leaving the Jonestown settlement. Pancho Johnson and Marceline Jones came to [several words deleted] <span style=\"color: blue;\">[and told him what Edith Parks was doing.]<\/span> Johnson and Jones attempted to bribe them to stay and stop talking about wanting to leave. [Several words deleted] that they should not believe the bribe being offered by Marceline Jones. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Parks<\/span>] explained that they confronted Jim Jones with their real problems, the poor living conditions, [his mother] was ill nourished, and the inequality. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated to Jones, &#8220;If this is your idea of Socialism, I want no part of it&#8221;. These events took place at approximately 1:30 PM. <span style=\"color: blue;\">[The Parks family then went with Mark Lane to their cottage to gather their possessions.]<\/span> Jim Jones reacted by giving them &#8220;fake&#8221; hugs and telling them that they were always welcome back and that they would be given $5000 for expenses. At 2:30 PM, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Parks<\/span>] indicated that there was a total of 15 defectors. Those individuals were: Brenda Parks, Chris O&#8217;Neal, Gerald Parks, Juanita Bogue, Tracy Parks, Tom Bogue, Edith Bogue, Monica Bagby, Harold Cordell, James Bogue, Teena Bogue, Dale Parks, Edith Parks, Patricia Parks and Vern Gosney. In addition to the defectors leaving, there was Congressman Ryan, his aides, Press members and concerned relatives, who had come to Jonestown. At this last-minute before the dump truck departed, Larry Layton jumped on the truck indicating that he wanted to leave. Layton did not have any luggage or additional clothing. Everyone was very suspicious of Larry Layton. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Parks<\/span>] advised that he previously observed Larry Layton talking with Jim Jones before he jumped onto the dump truck. According to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], the attempted stabbing of Ryan occurred while the defectors were<\/p>\n<p>[Page 10]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>waiting on the dump truck. Ryan was still in the settlement with Charles Garry and Mark Lane. Apparently Ryan was discussing with Lane and Garry about making arrangements for the other families, who wanted to leave Jonestown. Don Sly was reported to have been the individual attempted to stab Ryan. After Ryan finally arrived at the truck, they were ready to leave. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that the truck started to pull away but got stuck in the mud. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt this was done on purpose as a delay tactic. A caterpillar truck was summoned to pull them out. When the dump truck arrived at the entrance gate of the Jonestown settlement, Joe Wilson jumped onto the side of the truck. Wilson lifted everyone in the truck very hatefully, according to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>]. Wilson may have been looking for his wife and child, who actually had left earlier in the day on a picnic. When they got to the Port Kaituma airport, according to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], one individual observed Joe Wilson shake hands with Larry Layton and hand him a gun. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Parks<\/span>] stated that the following people got onto the small plane: Monica Bagby, Larry Layton, Vern Gosney, Tracy Parks, Dale Parks and the pilot. According to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], Larry Layton insisted on getting into this plane and sitting behind the pilot. As this plane began to taxi down the runway, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] could see another trailer approaching the airstrip. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">[begged the pilot not to take off.]<\/span> At this time, Ryan was on the ground boarding the larger plane. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that the shooting started with shots being fired from those individuals in the trailer. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] identify the following people as being in the trailer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Tom Kice, Sr. \u2013 white male, 40s<br \/>\nBob Kice \u2013 white male, 35<br \/>\nRonnie James \u2013 black male, 20<br \/>\nRonnie [Elihu] Dennis \u2013 black male, 18<br \/>\nErnest [Earnest] Jones \u2013 black male, 60s<br \/>\nStanley Geig [Gieg] \u2013 white male, 18<br \/>\nJoe Wilson \u2013 white [black] male<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 11]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>Stanley Geig was the driver of the vehicle. [Half line deleted related to the death of <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Patty Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">[got shot in the leg]<\/span> and then was shot at point-blank range in the back of the head. When the shooting started at the larger plane, the pilot of the small plane began to slow down. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] observed Larry Layton beginning to reach into his pants. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] began shouting to the pilot to stop the plane and get out. At this point, Layton pulled out a gun and began shooting at individuals in the small plane. Layton&#8217;s first shot hit Monica Bagby. The second shot hit Vern Gosney. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Dale Parks<\/span>] stated that Layton pointed the gun at [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], pulled the trigger but the gun misfired. Layton then fired his fourth shot at Monica Bagby, wounding her for the second time. Layton fired a fifth shot, again wounding Vern Gosney. [words deleted] <span style=\"color: blue;\">[realizing that he had not been shot, started fighting Layton.<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">was able to wrestle the gun from Layton and <\/span>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">hit Layton with the gun.<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that he got out of the plane and ran into the bush.] During this time, shooting was still going on at the larger plane. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] stated that after the shooting, the tractor trailer sped away from the scene. [[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">went back to the shooting scene and]<\/span> observed some of the defectors getting off of the larger plane. [[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">observed his mother, who had been shot to death.<\/span> [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] <span style=\"color: blue;\">then]<\/span> took five of the children and ran into the bush. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that during this entire incident, that there were several Guyanese soldiers nearby but they gave no assistance. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that he did not actually witness the shootings at the larger plane.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding the use of the radio at the People&#8217;s Temple settlement, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] could only advise that Mike Carter would know the codes.<\/p>\n<p>[Page 12]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that he did not have any knowledge of a &#8220;hit list&#8221; or of individuals to be assassinated.<\/p>\n<p>When questioned about the possible existence of a primitive nuclear device or bomb at Jonestown, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] recalled an incident in a Planning Commission session in San Francisco, California, when Jim Jones spoke about an explosion on a train that had been carrying military ammunition. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] vaguely remembered something Jones said about a large bomb, but could not provide any additional information.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that when Jim Jones held &#8220;white nights&#8221; that he often stated that public officials and Peoples Temple defectors should be assassinated. According to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], Jones had always indicated that he had people to take care of that. Jones would lash out against defectors with such statements as: &#8220;If I have to crawl after them myself or if I have to get the Mafia, I will get the defectors&#8221;. Jones spoke to the congregation that Congressman Ryan was bad, that the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was behind him and that the CIA wanted to overthrow the People&#8217;s Temple. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] explained that Jim Jones had no intention of letting Congressman Ryan visit Jonestown. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] felt that Jones&#8217; real plan was to have Larry Layton make arrangements to cause the crash of Ryan&#8217;s plane before he got to Jonestown. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] also indicated that everyone in the congregation was forced to sign a petition against having Ryan come to Jonestown. Apparently, individuals were made to sign the petition but did not know what it stated. The petition was presented to Congressman Ryan by Sharon Amos.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] provided the following information about Dr. Lawrence [Laurence] Schacht:<\/p>\n<p>Schacht had attended medical school in Guadalajara, Mexico. Schacht came to the People&#8217;s Temple with emotional problems and addicted to drugs. Jim Jones took Schacht in and got him off of drug dependency. Jones apparently sent Schacht<\/p>\n<p>[Page 13]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<p>to school to finish his medical training. According to [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>], Schacht was very poor at putting what he learned to practical use. Jones made Schacht publicly admit that they had sexual relations together, [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that Schacht even told him that this was true. Schacht was not a licensed Medical Doctor and he had not satisfied any residency requirements. Schacht used the following drugs as control substances: Thorazine, Valium and Librium. The Extended Care Unit was used to discipline individuals in the Jonestown settlement. Drug therapy and brainwashing techniques were extensive. Thorazine was often put in milkshakes, but not necessarily done by the medical department. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that Annie Moore (sister of Carolyn Layton) was the individual who had access to all drugs. Schacht had to make requests through Annie Moore. [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] had no knowledge regarding the presence of cyanide at the Jonestown settlement.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] indicated that Tom Grubbs was the individual that had developed the boxes used to discipline children by placing them in solitary confinement. These boxes were destroyed after Debbie Blakely returned to the US and expose their use.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] advised that he had no personal knowledge of the mass suicides on November 18, 1978, but that [<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">2 names deleted, likely among the following: Tim Carter, Mike Carter, Odell Rhodes and Stanley Clayton<\/span>] had been witnesses:<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] gave descriptions of the following People&#8217;s Temple members:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1) Tim Jones \u2013 white male, basketball team, security force, planning commission, violent<\/p>\n<p>2) Jimmy Jones, Jr., \u2013 Black male, basketball team, security force, planning commission, violent<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 14]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>3) Eddy [Eddie] Crenshaw \u2013 black male, drove trucks, boat off loading crew, had heard that Crenshaw wanted to leave<\/p>\n<p>4) Herbert Newell \u2013 black male, basketball team, security force<\/p>\n<p>5) Johnny Cobb \u2013 black male, basketball team, security force, violent<\/p>\n<p>6) Johnny Jones \u2013 black male, former John Brown of San Francisco, knew a lot of government officials, ran public arena for Jones in Jonestown<\/p>\n<p>7) Mark Cordell \u2013 white male, basketball team, security force<\/p>\n<p>8) Jim MacElvane [McElvane] \u2013 black male, head of People\u2019s Temple security in the US, mainly in San Francisco, brother of Kay Nelson<\/p>\n<p>9) Billy Oliver \u2013 black male, security force, mother had come with Ryan as a concerned relative<\/p>\n<p>10) Steve [Stephan] Jones \u2013 white male, Jones&#8217; natural son, basketball team, security force, planning commission<\/p>\n<p>11) Lee Ingram \u2013 black male, basketball team, security force, managed basketball team, husband of Sandy Bradshaw, violent<\/p>\n<p>12) Chris O&#8217;Neal \u2013 white male, work in buck [brick] factory<\/p>\n<p>13) Calvin Douglas \u2013 black male, basketball team, security force, violent<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 15]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>14) Cleveland Newell \u2013 black male, basketball team, security force<\/p>\n<p>15) Bonnie Simon \u2013 white female, security force, married to Al Simon<\/p>\n<p>16) Paul McCann \u2013 white male, off loading crew, working in agriculture, reserved security<\/p>\n<p>17) Pauline Groot \u2013 white female, electrical crew, research medical department, intelligent<\/p>\n<p>18) Tom Grubbs \u2013 white male, school principal, developed discipline boxes<\/p>\n<p>19) Marie Rankin, also known as (AKA) Puckett \u2013was on drugs, had criminal record.<\/p>\n<p>20) Terri Buford \u2013 white female, planning commission, Jones&#8217; &#8220;right arm&#8221;, most dangerous individual alive<\/p>\n<p>21) Jean Brown \u2013 white female, in San Francisco, very high in Public Relations, planning commission<\/p>\n<p>22) Rennie Kice \u2013 black female, planning commission, wife of Bob Kice, worked in medical drugs and supplies<\/p>\n<p>23) Lora [Laura] Johnston<\/p>\n<p>24) Vera Young \u2013 black female, in San Francisco temple, planning commission<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 16]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>25) June Crym \u2013 white female, in San Francisco temple<\/p>\n<p>26) Mike Prokes \u2013 white male, ex-CBS reporter, top public relations representative to Guyanese Government, planning commission, violent \u2013 capable under order<\/p>\n<p>27) Tim Carter \u2013 white male, higher than Mike Prokes in Public Relations, violent \u2013 capable under order<\/p>\n<p>28) Sandra Ingram, a.k.a. Bradshaw \u2013 white female, Lee Ingram&#8217;s wife, very loyal, planning commission, Jones&#8217; mistress<\/p>\n<p>29) Judy Flowers \u2013 black female, San Francisco temple secretary of membership<\/p>\n<p>30) Jim and Harriet Randolph \u2013 white male, white female, in charge of all people leaving San Francisco to Jonestown, Harriet Randolph identical with Harriet Troop [Tropp], who had some law experience<\/p>\n<p>31) Leona Collier \u2013 black female, in San Francisco, major membership secretary, visited Jonestown often, made others abide by rules but never did herself, made thousands of dollars for Jones by recruiting blacks, important to Jim Jones<\/p>\n<p>32) Burrell Wilson \u2013 black male, basketball team<\/p>\n<p>33) Claire Janaro \u2013 white female, never lived in Jonestown, planning commission, on ship &#8220;Albatross&#8221;, had been purchasing agent in Ukiah, California for People&#8217;s Temple<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 17]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>34) Richard Janaro \u2013 white male, planning commission, on ship &#8220;Albatross&#8221;, public relations and purchasing agent<\/p>\n<p>35) Don and Bonnie Beck \u2013 both white, college trained, in San Francisco, very loyal, on planning commission<\/p>\n<p>36) Marie [Maria] Katsaris \u2013 white female, Greek, Jones&#8217; mistress<\/p>\n<p>37) Paul [Paula] Adams \u2013 white female, planning commission<\/p>\n<p>38) Tish Leroy \u2013 white female, planning commission, head of accounting department, general inventory and balancing<\/p>\n<p>39) Chuck Beikman \u2013 white male, charged with murder of Amos, very violent, cannot read or write<\/p>\n<p>40) Joyce Touchette \u2013 white female, planning commission, coordinator at Jonestown<\/p>\n<p>41) Charlie Touchette \u2013 white male, husband of Joyce Touchette, on ship &#8220;Albatross&#8221;, planning commission, coordinator in Jonestown of purchasing of equipment<\/p>\n<p>42) Michelle Touchette \u2013 daughter of Joyce and Charlie Touchette, planning commission<\/p>\n<p>43) Mike Touchette \u2013 white male, son of Joyce and Charlie Touchette, basketball team, violent, close to Steve Jones<\/p>\n<p>44) Stanley Clayton \u2013 black male, witness to suicides, worked in kitchen<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[Page 18]<br \/>\nBQ 89-495<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>45) Larry Layton \u2013 white male, charged with murder of five people, planning commission, very close to Jim Jones, sat next to Jones on pulpit<\/p>\n<p>46) Vera Ingram \u2013 left a long time ago, daughter of Alice Ingram, who managed the warehouse<\/p>\n<p>47) Albert Touchette \u2013 white male, 18-19, basketball team, violent, coordinator with father, Charlie Touchette<\/p>\n<p>48) Mike Carter \u2013 white male, brother of Tim Carter, planning commission, worked on radio<\/p>\n<p>49) Bruce Oliver \u2013 black male, 18-20, security force, violent, observed with weapon<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] also advised that Terri Buford, Patty Cartmell, Sandy Bradshaw, Sharon Amos, Carolyn Layton, Karen Layton, Rita Tupper and Christina Lucianos [Christine Lucientes] all had sexual relationships with Jim Jones. Jones referred to these individuals as his &#8220;staff&#8221;. These staff members would divide up the California area and gather information on the membership. Cards were kept to assist Jones in the fake healings. The staff would go through your personal belongings and use the information obtained for Jones to make revelations.<\/p>\n<p>[<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Parks<\/span>] provided the following information about himself:<\/p>\n<p>[Balance of page 18 and entirety of page 19, detailing information on physical description, education, occupation, and family members heavily redacted]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[Editor\u2019s note: This FD-302 interview with Dale Parks appears two different places, as part 5 of Serial 1557 and as part 16 of Serial 1681, the FBI\u2019s 387-page report of January 12, 1979. 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