{"id":78014,"date":"2018-02-05T14:19:11","date_gmt":"2018-02-05T22:19:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=78014"},"modified":"2023-07-11T17:04:00","modified_gmt":"2023-07-12T00:04:00","slug":"annotated-transcript-q1015","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=78014","title":{"rendered":"Annotated Transcript Q1015"},"content":{"rendered":"

(Editor’s note:<\/strong> This tape was transcribed by Georgiana Mamlakah. The editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.)<\/em><\/p>\n

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Jones:<\/strong> Because he was the fulfillment, that all the law and the prophets is fulfilled in one saying: love thy God with all thy heart, mind, soul, and strength (Mark 12:30, \u201cAnd thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.\u201d See also Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27.).<\/span> So everything in the black book is now fulfilled. Just like a contract that you\u2019ve made on your house, you don\u2019t need<\/em> that contract once the house has been you\u2013 become yours. You\u2019ve acually\u2013 actually acquired<\/em> it or purchased it, and so it is now purchased. The truth is purchased. It is written in tablets, not of stone, but written in the innermost<\/em> part, because (voice climbs) the lawgiver<\/em> has come, and he has put his statutes<\/em> in your mind and his spirit<\/em> in your inward<\/em> part.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2013 I\u2019ve (unintelligible word, could be \u201cjust observed\u201d) and I wondered why would anyone want to come into an atmosphere and be critical. No one ever makes<\/em> you come<\/em>, you see. No one urges<\/em> you to come. These doors are open to you. It\u2019s a hall of democracy, but why would anyone want to come unless they want to receive<\/em> something. You cannot receive anything by being cynical. Cynics die always. They never find truth. Skeptics never get anything in the extra dimension. Skeptics can learn things in an empirical sense through science, but you can never learn the spiritual matters, because they\u2019re only revealed to children. You must become as a little child or you will not enter in to these more ascetic realms (Matthew 18:2-3, \u201cAnd Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.\u201d).<\/span> The ecstasy of the spiritual things that we see, the glory of healings cannot<\/em> be revealed to the cynical, doubting mind. Oh, it can be revealed to a person that has an honest question. But when one comes in with hostile<\/em> cynicism, you\u2019ve already made up your mind.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re like so many. I have made up my mind, don\u2019t confuse me with the facts. The facts are that we have had\u2013 By standards uh, the\u2013 they mentioned the Seventh Day Adventist that they have less cancer than the populace in general. Something like half. Well, how would\u2013 how would this<\/em> hit you. We\u2019ve had about one<\/em> that I know that has had cancer that has not yet healed. One out of thousands. That would be something less than one-tenth of one percent. We got a better record than the Seventh Day Adventist. Seventh Day Adventist have a good record, because they don\u2019t drink coffee, and they don\u2019t drink tea, they don\u2019t eat meat, and they take the whole wheat. But you don\u2019t even eat<\/em> like you should.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And still<\/em> you\u2019ve had these blessings. If you ate like you should, you would never die.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, you would. That\u2019s the truth. Because we\u2019re living in the age when science is going to conquer death, and certainly<\/em> this metaphysical mastery<\/em> here will conquer death, if you will allow it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (clears throat) So I shall not say more about that, but it does confuse me why you would want to come. I know of no one \u2013 as our Sister Davis said \u2013 I know no one who has come that has not suffered for coming with\u2013 an even an indifferent heart. She was speaking of Kathleen Ellis, who had the thousands of dollars in her room and didn\u2019t think she could become a part of Peoples Temple. Though advised, she thought she\u2019d do little things for the preacher, like bring him food<\/em> which I never would eat. Never come to service but she\u2019d give me a little food, and she thought I\u2019d eat it. I wouldn\u2019t eat it, I just used it to help others. \u2018Cause her food was good, but she thought she\u2019d done God a service by bringing the pastor some food. Don\u2019t you know he never is bought off. You<\/em> can\u2019t buy God.<\/p>\n

Congregation: <\/strong>Calls out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You can\u2019t buy God. It\u2019s not possible.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You make a fool<\/em> of yourself when you think that you can bribe his prophets or cause them to compromise thirselves. The messenger of God, infinite principle, it cannot<\/em> be bought, and it will not<\/em> be bought. Some continue to try it. They\u2019ll come up with a little gift, and I just pass it from my hand to someone else\u2019s. I\u2019ve told you, I receive no gifts, because we are admonished by all the proverbs of the great world faiths, not to receive any kind of gift (Deuteronomy 16:19, \u201cThou shalt not wrest judgment; thou shalt not respect persons, neither take a gift: for a gift doth blind the eyes of the wise, and pervert the words of the righteous.\u201d),<\/span> not to bridle your soul, not to hinder your spirit by receiving gifts or tips or any of that sort of thing. So I will not receive them, but you keep on trying to do it. Well, you say, I go to a church where the pastor gets an anniversary. Well, I can\u2019t help it because you are in\u2013 going to a deceiver. That\u2019s your<\/em> problem. I can\u2019t help it because you are deluded. No true<\/em> minster of Zion, no true minister of the truth would receive gifts. He would not receive<\/em> anniversary offerings. He would not receive<\/em> birthday presents. No true minister of the truth would allow that to be, because some could afford to give him gifts and some couldn\u2019t,<\/em> and it\u2019s not fair. And I don\u2019t think the preacher should get gifts anymore than the doorkeeper. After all, we\u2019re all doing what we\u2019re supposed<\/em> to do. So I don\u2019t receive anniversaries, and I will not receive Christmas gifts or birthdays, nor will my wife [Marceline Jones] receive any pastor\u2019s wives tea, but some of you go to those places, and you say, I wonder why you don\u2019t heal me. You come here every six weeks, and then you go back to slop<\/em> for five weeks.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calis out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No wonder. (voice builds throughout) Double-minded man, woman is unstable in all their ways (James 1: 1-12, esp. 1:8, \u201cA double minded man is unstable in all his ways.\u201d).<\/span> You\u2019ve got your foot in one place and your foot in another, and you\u2019re divided. You can\u2019t possibly know anything aright. You\u2019ve got to give your whole heart, mind, and soul, strength to God principle as you know God to be (Mark 12:30).<\/span><\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (calms) But here you are setting here Sunday today. Some\u2019ll even come in now, just wait a little bit, and they\u2019ll come slipping in after the service is over. Then some of you\u2019ll slip out in a little bit to go to a song fest or an anniversary, and you wonder why Jim Jones doesn\u2019t heal you.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (chuckles) Because your mind couldn\u2019t get<\/em> healed. Your mind has to be centered on the fundamental. (voice rises) When your minds and your attention and your love and devotion is placed on the highest source of God manifesting in your life, then<\/em> I tell you, you will<\/em> get results. You will have resurrection and<\/em> the life (John 11:25, \u201cJesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.\u201d). You will have life and life more<\/em> abundantly if you\u2019ll give yourself wholly unto God (Joshua 14:7-14; 1 Timothy 4:15.).<\/span><\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (clears throat) I will not say more about it. I think I\u2019ve said enough to get across the message. For just a few uh, minutes, at least I guarantee I\u2019ll take one question. Is there anyone here that wants to ask a question other than about healing? I do not want to receive any question about your personal healing, because that would be a respect of persons and respect of persons is sin (Deuteronomy 16:19).<\/span> I would have to then allow every one of the over thousand of the people that are here ask a personal question about their healings, so I cannot<\/em> allow you to do that. Yes sir, you wanted to ask a question. In the balcony, I believe. Yes?<\/p>\n

Voice too low<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, no, you don\u2019t have to join our family to come. No, it\u2019s not necessary at all. The only thing is that you\u2019ll just be better off by doing so. (laughs).<\/p>\n

Voice too low<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Let us take time to understand what you\u2019re trying to do and (Jones interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why of course<\/em>, you have to take time to understand it. Certainly\u2013<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Well, a lot of people come here and uh, they listen at you like I do. I\u2019m not coming here to make fun or anything like that. I\u2019ve come here, try to understand.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s the important thing, not to criticize.<\/p>\n

Male 1: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. So it\u2019s\u2013 I know if some people maybe feel like I felt when you\u2019ll get hit below the belt. It\u2019s not that I come here to look upon this. I came here to understand.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You say get hit below the belt?<\/p>\n

Male1:<\/strong> Yeah, you know what I mean by the\u2013 what I\u2019m trying to say is some people feel like uh, well, you\u2019re talking directly to them, I mean, and\u2013 (Jones Interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They shouldn\u2019t, unless they\u2019re guilty.<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Well, I am not guilty.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I see. Well, then, people shouldn\u2019t feel\u2013 They shouldn\u2019t feel<\/em> that\u2013<\/p>\n

Man and Jones talk over one another<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013you know I\u2019m one of those straight hitters. I make myself so utterly clear that if you uh\u2013 if you uh, are guilty, you know it, and if you\u2019re not, you do also. All I\u2019m talking to, people who come in and make light or criticize anything that\u2019s going on or criticize any people they see. That is a deathly spirit, and it destroys them. They\u2019re privileged to do that \u2013 whoever they might be, are privileged to do that \u2013 but uh, no, there\u2019s no demand that you join this church. Um-umm [No].<\/p>\n

Male 1:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s what I want to know, because everybody\u2019s supposed to do their own thing. It gotta be good, not bad.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t know that I concur<\/em> with that statement, but I defend your right to that statement. The own thing. I\u2013 I would qualify that \u201cown thing\u201d a little bit. We must do the right<\/em> thing.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But feel free to study us. That\u2019s perfectly all right. Study to show yourself approve, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15, \u201cStudy to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.\u201d).<\/span> But I just\u2013 As I said with Kathleen Ellis, young woman now, all that money stocked away in her house, in four banks, as Reverend Davis said. She didn\u2019t feel like she needed us, and she died a young woman, a very young woman last uh, two weeks ago. No need of her dying. Wasn\u2019t no more need of her dying than uh, electricity failing in the universe, or the sun going out. She didn\u2019t have to die, but she was a critical<\/em> person, she was divisive in her mind, and she was\u2013 Most<\/em> important, she was m\u2013 very, very selfish. Anybody that has thousands of dollars when you come into an atmosphere like this where there\u2019s a children\u2019s home with 40 acres and every child is taken in\u2013<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013where you have four senior citizens homes, two convalescent centers, catfish pond that\u2019s kept in stock so that people will be prepared for the day of famine, so that none of you\u2019ll go hungry, or anyone who wants our help won\u2019t go hungry. Four college dormitories with 109 students getting an education, two of them [including Larry Schacht] being sent away to university abroad to be specialized doctors, so they can come back and give this family and those that love truth free medicine. And I\u2019m just naming some<\/em> of the things, not to mention the swimming pool, not to mention the uh, community center or the animal shelter or the grapes, the beautiful fruit, the gardens, and the mustard greens that grow even without us cultivating. And anyone that would come seeing a preacher who doesn\u2019t have rings or watches but use used robes, used shoes, never bought a pair of new shoes in his life, doesn\u2019t own a car, and has given the people 13, I think, or 14 buses. I haven\u2019t a real count of them, but several Greyhound buses out there, air-conditioned, heated, kept up to the nicest way they can.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They mechanically\u2013 kept up with the best of mechanics. Where most preachers go on vacations, I take you on uh, each<\/em> vacation.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Last year we went all through Washington, just a month ago we went through Washington. The Washington Post<\/em> said we were the greatest group that ever come, because of the way we helped people and picked up rubbish, and pollution co\u2013 ecology uh, the help that we gave uh\u2013 Every place I go, you go. Now when one would have thousands of dollars and come in here and not share it with a man who\u2019s adopted eight children legally<\/em> and taken in 200 that were starving to death and saved them from starvation, what kind of people could keep ahold of thousands of dollars in their bedroom? They\u2019re doomed<\/em> to die, they\u2019re doomed<\/em> for trouble, because a generous heart touches God. God loves a cheerful heart. But when you\u2019re not<\/em> generous, well, whatever measure you meet, it\u2019s measured back to you (2 Corinthians 9:6-15).<\/span><\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> So true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes? You started saying something, someone started to say\u2013 Julia.<\/p>\n

Julia:<\/strong> She left uh, over $20,000 to a rich white woman in Alaska.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now, isn\u2019t that nice? That rich white woman wouldn\u2019t even uh, give her the time of day, so she left $20,000. She was a black woman, and she left $20,000 to a rich white woman, never got to enjoy any of it\u2013 any of it. (Pause) She was down at the\u2013 Los Angeles, she brought me food every Sunday, and every Sunday I didn\u2019t eat it. I even told<\/em> her \u2013 I told<\/em> her \u2013 I said I\u2019m giving your food to others. I said what you need, Kathleen, is to get in this church and join this church and be faithful to this church.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> Responds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because that was her<\/em> answer. That was her<\/em> answer. I had to give the truth to her. That was the answer for her. Say, why should you join this church? Do you know one better? Join it. But if you don\u2019t, join this one.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you know any church that will take you in when you\u2019re older or\u2013 I don\u2019t like that term, because we\u2019ve got 98-year-old people here that\u2019re as young as they can be, like Sister Ever [Rejoicing] down there. When you get in your golden<\/em> years, in the senior<\/em> years, do you know a church that guarantees you that you\u2019ll not be homeless?<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you know a church that guarantees you that you\u2019ll never be without food?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I say a church that does not minister to the necessities of its members\u2013 That\u2019s what ancient scriptures says, you must min\u2013 minister to the necessities of the saints (Romans 12, specific reference to Romans 12:13), and the church must take care first of the household of the faith (Galatians 6:10, \u201cAs we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.\u201d).<\/span> I say a church that calls itself a church and does not educate its youth, does not take in its older people, does not provide senior citizen homes, education, food, plants, all these acreage for the necessities of their needs in the time of desperation or famine, I say a church that doesn\u2019t do that is\u2013 is a fraud<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Enthusiastic applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a rough statement, but that\u2019s what I think of it. I think a church that has a pastor that stands up in fine suits\u2013 I\u2019ve never bought<\/em> a suit. I don\u2019t need them, I got a used shi\u2013 uh, shirt hanging out here. It\u2019s slick from how many times it\u2019s been wore\u2013 ironed. \u2018Cause I don\u2019t like to get them cleaned. I don\u2019t spend nothing, brother and sister, I\u2019m too busy taking care of the babies. This thing is slick<\/em> from being ironed so much and not cleaned. Well, it don\u2019t matter to me. If you don\u2019t like it, you don\u2019t have to look at it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I\u2019ll put it this way. I\u2013 I won\u2019t come at your house, if you don\u2019t want me, and you certainly don\u2019t have to come to my house if you don\u2019t want to be<\/em> here.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There[\u2019s] always someone giving little suggestions. I think you should dress, you know, becoming a pastor. Now I would rather dress becoming a whore<\/em>, than a pastor.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now you say that\u2019s an awfully hard word, \u2018cause there are no whores, they\u2019re just women who out of necessities have gotten themselves in a corner, but I\u2019d just as soon dress as a street woman or dress like the worst vagabond and drunk that you call the derelicts, and I call them some of the most sensitive souls. I would rather dress like them than those high-fluting jippers.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So don\u2019t tell me that I should look like so and so. One sister told me some days ago, that I should look like doctor so and so, he dresses so nice and we\u2013 we want to have pride in you. Well, then you go have pride in him, because if you don\u2019t take pride in the fact that I\u2019ve adopted babies and given you homes and taken you in and nursed you back to health, and I\u2019ve even given you enemas, people setting in this room, I\u2019ve gone in with my hands and broke up your impaction and bathed your wounds and brought you back to health. If you don\u2019t have pride in that, but you rather have pride in my suit or my car, you go to and stay put.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Enthusiastic applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Pause) I\u2019ve given you something. You\u2019ve got land, you\u2019ve got a way of escape in the terrible days that we live. You\u2019ve got an alternative for every problem. You\u2019ve got food up to the rafters in one building for the day of famine ahead. And these jacklegs, they take your money and all you see is uh, a big fine Cadillac, and they tell you some stupid lie, and some people are ignorant enough to believe it. They say Jesus is coming soon. Well, why don\u2019t you tell them the next time they get ready to get next year\u2019s Cadillac, why do you need it? Jesus is coming soon.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Neither do I expect you to have to worship the way we do. Don\u2019t feel uncomfortable if you don\u2019t worship the way we do. Each one\u2013 Some of the deepest people in the world are quiet till they get a hold of this thing, then usually even people like Professor [Edith] Roller down here or Dr. [Richard] Tropp, they start to jumping. I don\u2019t know what makes them s\u2013 jump, but somethin\u2019 gets a hold of them.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But it doesn\u2019t matter. It doesn\u2019t matter. We\u2019re not all made out of the same mold, you see. Fortunately. Yes, my dear heart.<\/p>\n

Voice too low<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now I think I\u2013 (unintelligible)\u2013 did I hear healing?<\/p>\n

Voice too low<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Go ahead. Let\u2019s hear it now. I\u2013 I said don\u2019t uh\u2013 Please learn some elementary lessons. If I allow people to stand on this floor and ask questions about their healing, I must allow 1500 people to do so today. The way I work is that uh, when the time of revelation comes to me or last night, I had mass healings. I went from every\u2013 every part of the body, and I had dozens and dozens of healings.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> At the end there was meditation for every<\/em> part, every<\/em> organ, every<\/em> part, the eyes, the ears, everything<\/em>, and those times come, and when they do, you\u2019ll get in it and receive it, if you have faith and understand the teachings and know how to focus and direct your meditations towards me and think along the lines of my teachings. But if I allow people get up here now and tell me about their healings, I\u2019ll be guilty of respect of persons, and I thus<\/em> far have not been guilty (Deuteronomy 16:19).<\/span> (Pause) Yes, now what was your question? (Pause) Peace.<\/p>\n

Female 1:<\/strong> I like to know if I could be healed. I\u2019ve been suffering in my head all week.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Female 1:<\/strong> Oh, this\u2013 this is my first time being here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s understandable. That\u2019s understandable. I don\u2019t think you just heard what I said though somehow. You probably are caught up with your own\u2013 own pain, and that\u2019s uh, miserable. If you come down at the end, we will certainly do what we can towards that. Your first time, we will make an oversight. We\u2019ll just overlook this.<\/p>\n

Female 1:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But yes<\/em>, you can get healed. You can get healed of anything<\/em>. You can get healed of anything<\/em>, just sitting there now<\/em>. Just thinking on me now<\/em>. Just thinking on the Christ in me, the Christ in you and the Christ in me can agree, and we can lift you out of the pain that\u2019s in your head (voice rises) right now.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes?<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Sarah Burton:<\/strong> Peace.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace, dear.<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m Sarah Burton and I\u2019m very, very sad now because I\u2019ll be leaving the Peoples Temple going back to Las Vegas, Nevada, to stay and I would like to know, will there be someone, somehow to keep in contact with me, so I can stay with the most beautiful, wonderful<\/em> people that I\u2019ve ever met in my life.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m\u2013 Certainly if you\u2013 if you\u2019ll give your address, uh, I\u2019m\u2013 There\u2019s a good lady that writes beautiful letters sitting up. Mary Black. If you\u2019ll\u2013 if you\u2019ll take her uh, we\u2019ll certainly<\/em> be glad to, and who knows uh, we might even get a casino to help uh, raise the people.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> Laughs.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> Well, you know, I\u2013 I have a\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Laughs.<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> I\u2013 I\u2013 I also\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t anticipate doing that, but if I could deliver people from poverty and squalor, I\u2019d get a casino, \u2018cause somebody\u2019s going to do it.<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> Well\u2013 well\u2013 So howsabout, oh, between 18 and 20 people here that\u2019s already been contacting you through me.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Beautiful\u2013<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> Because I was there and them calling me two, three o\u2019clock in the morning while I was here. So\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If\u2013 If indeed you can, you always know that our homes are free to you. Get around the personal presence as much as possible. There\u2019s an energy level. It\u2019s a fact of science that the closer you are to me\u2013 At times it is an uplift to the body, the health and it\u2019s in\u2013 certain source of prosperity, but you\u2019re certain. You can just rest assured that we will<\/em> not forget you and uh, you just give her your name, and we will certainly be in communications with you.<\/p>\n

Burton:<\/strong> Thank you very, very much, Father.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. My recommendation in these days is not to move anywhere but to stay with us, but when there are necessities that seem to pull upon you, uh, one has to be persuaded in their own<\/em> mind as to where they must go and what they must do, and where their responsibilities are, but we certainly<\/em> will be in contact with you. Yes. Next.<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Lucille Ponder:<\/strong> I\u2019m Lucille Ponder, and I am from Sacramento, and I have wrote you for a different things and uh, I don\u2019t want to make uh, god of anything, and I love this family.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> And I love to come when I can, to be in the meeting, and right now, I had a wreck\u2013 was in a wreck, a car pushed me off the highway.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> And wrecked my car.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> And I have got an attorney, but he don\u2019t think he gone do anything for me, (weepily) uh, to get our car back. And we really need it, me and my husband\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupts) And you\u2019re again\u2013 You\u2019re in again in the field of me doing something personally for you.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I have an attorney here who\u2019s been healed of cancer, Jewish attorney [Eugene Chaikin] who was\u2013 was dying of cancer of the stomach, they\u2019re there, I\u2019m sure<\/em> he will consult with you at the end of the service. They\u2019re busy, devoted, loyal workers. You said you didn\u2019t want to make a god of anything. Let me tell you, you don\u2019t make God. God makes himself.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But indeed, sometimes it\u2019s good if we will allow God to be God (Acts 24:14-15).<\/span><\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Things can happen for us in a better way.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But there was a little phrase there that I wanted to just lovingly uh, reflect on, that uh, you\u2013 you better make God of that which is<\/em> God.<\/p>\n

Ponder:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now be sure to see the attorney. Someone get her\u2013 Even now she could be taken to the attorney, and we\u2019ll see what can be done for you. And I\u2019ll tell you all these provisions at the end of the meeting, you can ask for attorneys or counselors, teachers, nurses, medical people. This is the proper procedure to follow. Back there at the end\u2013 (Pause) end of the row. (Pause) Let no one else stand, please. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Marilyn Miller:<\/strong> Oh, Father, my name is Marilyn Miller and I\u2019m from L A.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Miller:<\/strong> And I was wondering uh, is there a such thing\u2013 (Jones Interrupts)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shhh. Shhh.<\/p>\n

Miller:<\/strong> \u2013 Is there a such thing as demons, because the reason why I ask you this, is because one night something was shaking my dresser, and then uh, my curtain. And uh, I was talking to a sister the other day, and she uh, was telling me that there is such things as demons. And I wanted to ask you, \u2018cause I\u2019m not so sure, but I know I\u2019ve had strange things to happen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The lowest plane of development is human. So the only kind of devil you\u2019ll ever see is a human one.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The state of consciousness. Jesus looked at S\u2013 at Peter one time and said (unintelligible name, sounds like \u201cCephas\u201d), the rock\u2013 I\u2019m going to build a church on you, and I\u2019m going to give you the power to remit sins and\u2013 or to retain them. Gave him the power to be a living Christ. On another to\u2013 cassion he turned to Satan, and said, get thee behind me, what?<\/span><\/p>\n

Jones and Congregation: <\/strong>(in unison) Satan (Matthew 16:18-23).<\/span><\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No, there are no demons. It might\u2019ve been some\u2013 (clears throat) someone who uh\u2013 In the interim world, there are those who\u2013 One of the\u2013 They\u2019re frustrated to make contact sometimes. That happens on rare occasion, and they do<\/em> not mean to harm you. Nothing<\/em> invisible will harm you. Nothing.<\/p>\n

Miller:<\/strong> Thanks. (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s just a\u2013 It\u2019s just a means\u2013 or they may have been in that home and suffered distress, and they\u2019re kind of earthbound<\/em>, but there is nothing in the invisible world that will harm you. Only humans. That\u2019s the ones (laughs) you got to watch.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Miller:<\/strong> Father, uh, you know, that\u2019s all that I wanted to know, because I\u2013 I\u2013 before I came to the Temple here, well, you know I was taught this, and I just happened to be having this conversation so I just\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> We were taught a lot of things, weren\u2019t we, darling.<\/p>\n

Miller:<\/strong> Yes\u2013 That\u2019s right, but I\u2019m glad that I found the truth.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. That\u2019s sweet of you to ask.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> There.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> My name is Lucy (unintelligible), and my question is a sort of I would say compound, because there\u2019s two parts.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> As we know there are nine gifts of the spirit, and there\u2019s also uh, nine parts of the fruits<\/em> of the spirit.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> I listen to the broadcast each day at 5:30 as I get ready to go to work, and one I enjoyed particularly was uh, not being shackled by materialism.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> So now here\u2019s where it\u2019s compound. In the fruits of the spirit, is there any one of those fruits that pertains to not being shackled by materialism, that even touches on it. One must have these fruits, I understand, and it\u2019s nine of them.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> You know them. We start off with love, which is the greatest one.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> But is there any one that touches on uh, not being shackled by materialism, because that\u2019s very important.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> [Discussion of Galatians 5:22-23]<\/span> If you\u2013 If you\u2013 If you get the first<\/em> one, you will be unshackled. You can\u2019t have love and be materialistic. Because in order to be loving, you have to be free of the worship of things. So you wouldn\u2019t even get to first base with materialism. Anyone who\u2019s materialistic won\u2019t even get the first<\/em> fruit of the spirit. Because love demands that you put people befo\u2013 others before yourself, and others before things, so most folks are still working on number one. So don\u2019t feel discouraged.<\/p>\n

Lucy:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Lee Ethel [Young]\u2013 Yes. This is a sister who\u2019s been such a delight. A few weeks ago, revelation came to me that she was losing her home and how much, it was $400 or something.<\/p>\n

Lee Ethel Young:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I raised it, got it for her, and give it to her in cash.<\/p>\n

Young:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So that she could save her home. And since then, she has taken that\u2013 the magnificent obsession of it, and she[\u2018s] helped so many others here. I\u2013 I really salute you, because I saved so many people\u2019s homes who\u2019ve never even said thank you. And I really appreciate it, Lee Ethel. Yes.<\/p>\n

Young:<\/strong> I just want to ask him, where would he find in any church would save your home when you\u2019re losing it when you\u2019re out doing your own thing. If I hada been out doing my own thing, and losing my home, I wouldna had a home today. And\u2013<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Young:<\/strong> If I was him<\/em>, I would think about this, \u2018cause this\u2013 this is a beautiful place to be, and you don\u2019t find no other place that will do that. I do know.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s a matter of semantics. A lot of people, when they say doing their own thing, they mean being true to their highest. But I think it\u2019s become garbled to uh, when someone says doing their own thing, it means just the opposite. But he<\/em> meant doing your own thing in the terms of following your conscience, I think. But I don\u2019t like the term. That\u2019s why I differed, not with his intention of heart<\/em>, but with the meaning of it, because when most<\/em> people say do your own thing\u2013 Just like uh, we\u2019ve had a few that uh\u2013 that we know that without that wanted to kidnap some children and wanted to set up Michelle uh, Touchette to have the Cobb children in a certain place so they could be uh, kidnapped,<\/em> or John Biddulph who called uh, our choir director and wanted him to come out with them to do their own thing. Well, that<\/em> means self-indulgence and uh, drugs and all this kind of foolishness. That<\/em> kind of own thing I don\u2019t want any part of. I don\u2019t want any part of it. But when the brother was saying do your own thing, he meant, follow your heart, I\u2019m sure, follow your conscience, do the service to the highest that\u2019s within you. But I think the word\u2019s been badly abused. And I agree with you, Lee Ethel, that uh, it\u2019s uh\u2013 Look for another word, because the people that use that word, we\u2019ve had it thrown in our face so many times, and it\u2019s always thrown \u2013 with exception to the question here \u2013 it was thrown in a direction of, well, I\u2019m going to be my selfish self. I\u2019m going to be my own selfish self, and you can\u2019t do that. If you do, you\u2019re going to get a lot of trouble. You must be willing to pay the price. Just know whatever thing you\u2019re uh\u2013 what every door you\u2019re walking in, that you\u2019re going to pay the price for it.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So I see people who are selfish, and they do real well. Now do they? Marilyn Monroe was a contemptuous, temperamental, harsh person who tore everyone down that she worked with. And then we read [Norman] Mailer\u2019s book about her. She was impossible<\/em> to get along with, and she couldn\u2019t stand herself anymore than 35 years. She killed herself. She had the body beautiful, she was Miss Sexpot America, but it did not give her happiness. She had to destroy herself. Because when you worship self, you can\u2019t get enough people to worship self with you. You can\u2019t get enough people to love<\/em> yourself, and you can\u2019t fulfill<\/em> yourself, and finally you end up killing yourself from overwork, trying to get ahead, you die of a heart attack, or like Miss Ellis, you accumulate all kinds of money, only to let somebody take it that wouldn\u2019t even spit on you.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You don\u2019t<\/em> get ahead. Believe me they don\u2019t. Selfish people are unhappy. You look at their face. They look unhappy. I don\u2019t care how much money they have, they look unhappy. You don\u2019t have to be a prophet to know it. Just look at their face and you\u2019ll see emptiness.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> Yes. Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes. (Pause) Back at the back (clears throat) (Pause) And I think Moses had something. He said I\u2019d rather suffer affliction with the children<\/em> of God, than to enjoy all<\/em> the pleasures of being the kingly<\/em> son or to be the son of pharaoh\u2019s daughter, even<\/em> for a season. That\u2019s what Moses said.<\/span> And that\u2019s the way with me. I suffer so much, that I wouldn\u2019t even want to talk<\/em> about it. If I thought about it, it would be overwhelming. [I] come in here with burdens, crisises, people heap all kinds of things on me. And I can\u2019t even get people to follow little simple instructions, but I would still rather suffer affliction with (ministerial cadence) the children<\/em> of promise, with the children<\/em> of principle, with the children<\/em> of God than to enjoy all<\/em> of Babylon America. I don\u2019t want anything<\/em> that Mr. [Richard] Nixon\u2019s America has. I\u2019d rather go this way, even if I had to die on a scaffold or die being lynched on a tree or to be crucified<\/em>. I would rather go this<\/em> way, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin, sick, capitalist America.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Why? Because (calms) I meet the finest. I meet\u2013 Certainly I meet the rectums also of the universe. Some dear old sur\u2013 sister one time was trying to impress her preacher and impress her guest she had in a church, she wanted to speak in fine language, and I don\u2019t remember all of it, but she said she was trying to impress so<\/em> much, and she knew some fine vocabulary, and she said, You see that man with the\u2013 (short laugh) I better not do it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I will do it. She said, see that man urinating down the aisle, holding his testicles in his hands. He\u2013 he is the most (laughs) constipated man, he is the rectum of the church, and the most constipated man in the community.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Responds.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (short laugh) Testicles meant spectacles. She got \u2018em a little mixed up. Uh, spectacles meant testicles, and rectum meant rector, and the constipated meant uh, the most consecrated. So she just got her words just a little mixed up. (laughs) And I meet so many rectums of the church, I\u2019m telling you. (laughs) And urinating meant circulating. She was just trying to impress someone. And there a whole lot of folk trying to impress people, and they\u2019ve got about as much empty words as that. And that\u2019s what\u2013\u00a0and that\u2019s what she said, she\u2013 That was an actual fact. I know the woman that was there. She said, see that man urinating down the aisle, holding his testicles in his hands. He\u2019s the rectum of the church and the most constipated man in the community.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> So even though I meet the rectums<\/em> of the church, I have met the hearts of hearts. I\u2019ve met people in here that, if they aren\u2019t saints, they soon will be. Angels. Good<\/em> people. And I\u2019d rather walk with them all<\/em> life long than to enjoy all the treasures of Egypt or the treasures of Babylon America. Oh no, as for me (cries out) and my house, I<\/em> will serve God socialism. I<\/em> will serve it (Joshua 24:15, \u201c\u2026but as for me and my house, we will serve the\u00a0Lord.\u201d).<\/span><\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Father, since I met you\u2013 the very first time I met you, I realized who you were, but as time went along, I was a little confused about some things.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> But you gave me the answer yourself.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> But now that I am serving you, it is very hard for me to call on Jesus, for I no longer call on Jesus, but I call on your name. For that is\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Interrupts) You\u2019re to call on no<\/em>\u2013 You\u2019re to call on no<\/em> one after the flesh. You\u2019re to know this principle<\/em> bearer.<\/span><\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Yes? Well, this\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> As I said\u00ad know no man after the flesh, not even Jesus (Romans 8, esp. Romans 8:1, \u201cThere is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.\u201d).<\/span> You\u2019re to see the Christ. Wherever Christ is highest, that\u2019s who you think upon. If it is your puppy dog, you think on your puppy dog.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you understand what I\u2019m saying? Wherever you see the most<\/em> of Christ, that\u2019s the thing you better think on. The thing that you need to trigger. If you see more of it in you<\/em>, then you\u2019d be a narcissist<\/em>. You\u2019d be self-lover. So anyone says, I see the God in me all the time. Well, I doubt that. I doubt that. Everyone has to see God in someone else. So naturally<\/em> you watch and follow<\/em> God, and use the name of God that is the highest manifestation to you.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Paul said, know no man after the flesh, and particularly one that\u2019s dead (2 Corinthians 5:14-17, esp. 2 Corinthians 5:16, \u201cWherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.\u201d).<\/span> Jesus is gone 2000 years. He said these things shall you do and greater, because I go to the Father (John 14:12, \u201cVerily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.\u201d).<\/span> He said the time will come when you will speak in the Father\u2019s name, you\u2019ll speak directly<\/em> to the Father. So that\u2019s the promise to you. But do not be anxious to cast your treasures before swine (Matthew 7:6, \u201cGive not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.\u201d).<\/span><\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> No, Father, that\u2019s\u2013 What I mean is, I don\u2019t\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, watch me now, watch me. I said a strong statement there.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Yes. I\u2013 I don\u2019t want to\u2013 to give praises to someone that is dead \u2013 this is what I\u2019m saying \u2013 only to the God that I see that walks here on earth now<\/em> in a body. This is my satisfaction now.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You do what\u2013 Whatever works for you, honey, you do.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I wanted to know, Father, because I didn\u2019t\u2013 I don\u2019t want to dwell on something that has been dead 2000 years ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> But you remember, as I said one time, let me do the preaching.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Yes. Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (laughs) You\u2019ve got me out here on\u2013 You\u2019ve got me out here on the ninth plane now. And lot of folk here are all shook up. They uh, loo\u2013 they\u2019re wondering where we\u2019ve laid Jesus now. They\u2019re looking around in their pocketbook to see what\u2019s happened to Jesus.<\/p>\n

Female 2:<\/strong> Thank you, Father. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, it\u2019s sweet of you, and I appreciate your devotion, but one\u2013 in one\u2019s testimony, you can reveal too much. And uh, one way you can turn people away from life, if you\u2019re not careful, is to hold up something in their face and flaunt it. You want to be very careful about that. I have an energy field that has kept no one from dying in Peoples Temple since 1959, that has been kept close to me, except one that was led away and was meant to get out of this plane anyway. No<\/em> one. Now I have had no one that had a stroke in this Temple that has not been completely<\/em> corrected after they had the stroke, while I was on the scene.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Now we want people to enjoy that. But if you come at them too strong, you\u2019ll turn them away. As a brother said up there, give me time. Uh, uh, you\u2013 you can\u2013 you can give people too much. I\u2013 I wish you\u2013 Uh, it seems the way\u2013 the way is so plain to us, that though a person be a fool<\/em>, he need not err therein (Isaiah 35:8, \u201cAnd an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though\u00a0fools, shall not\u00a0err\u00a0therein.\u201d),<\/span> but if you\u2019re not very careful, you can throw too much at people, and it\u2013 it\u2019ll undo them. Shake them up. But I say to you unequivocally<\/em> \u2013 I\u2019d have to say it, because I always<\/em> speak the truth \u2013 you<\/em> use what\u2019s working for you.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh, you don\u2019t\u2013 don\u2019t agree with that?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If somebody been talking to s\u2013 a\u2013 anybody, Jesus, Moses, or Buddha, uh, or whatever, if they\u2019ve been talking to them for 17 and 18 weeks, and they haven\u2019t got an answer, I\u2019d\u2013 I\u2019d (laughs) talk to somebody else.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Very well, very\u2013 I\u2019ll take a couple more questions. We\u2013 we\u2013 we need to know where we\u2019re in\u2013 in consciousness<\/em> right now. Uh\u2013 All right, yes, but make it a question, not a testimony.<\/p>\n

Louise:<\/strong> Question.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah, I know you are but uh, I\u2013 there\u2019s one coming that ain\u2019t. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Louise:<\/strong> Uh, the other night I was sleeping and I was\u2013 I wasn\u2019t dreaming, I was just sleeping, in a sound sleep, and you called me so loud, you said, Louise<\/em>. So why did you wake me?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You<\/em> said I called you. If I called you, it\u2019ll make sense. There are dreams, and then there are reality. When I call you, it means that there\u2019ll be a fire or a tragedy or an accident, or maybe there\u2019ll be a relief of distress, but uh, I don\u2019t call unless I got a reason.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that\u2019s meaningful. No way to take away from the meaningfulness of it to you because you\u2019re a very honest and beautiful person. Peace. Next\u2013 Next.<\/p>\n

Louise:<\/strong> Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. (pause) In other words, what I\u2019m trying to say, if I call you, you\u2019ll know very well why I\u2019m calling you.<\/p>\n

Voices in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Like our young girl that sang here, when I call, it meant get up and the fire was raging. And I called the other day and someone was being strangled to death, one little child was being strangled to death in here. You were being strangled. You<\/em> haven\u2019t talked to me, but somebody called on the telephone, even though I was in Los Angeles, or I was on the bus. But somebody called and got the person off your neck. There wasn\u2019t anybody on the other end of the line, but that was Jim Jones on the line.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Talking about the Smith child. Smith young man. That\u2019s who I\u2019m talking about. When I call, you\u2019ll know.<\/p>\n

Retha:<\/strong> I\u2019m\u2013 I\u2019m glad to say I met Pastor Jones about three years ago. I\u2019m not\u2013 I\u2019m not going to testify. I had\u2013 I work long hours, and when I plead to him to bring me down from the (unintelligible word) and which he did. And I found out what it was all about. I thought I understood him, but I didn\u2019t. Every morning I had wish to listen to the five-day program, but I would always sleep through it. I could never\u2013 And every morning for two months, right before 5:30 I\u2013 he\u2013 I guess his spirit wakes me up, and I listen to this\u2013 I listen to him\u2013 his preaching and teaching.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Sweet. Um-hmm<\/p>\n

Retha:<\/strong> I enjoy the teaching<\/em> better than I do the healing, for one reason. So many times he\u2019s talking, I don\u2019t understand him. I go along with it. I would like<\/em> to, but sometime I can lay down and listen to him teaching. The other morning I listen to him counseling on the doctors and the medical signs. Oh, I say, what a great man Jim Jones, the greatest man I\u2019ve ever heard. Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That wasn\u2019t a testimony. That was just talk, honey. (laughs)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019re sweet. Now Retha backs her life up with a lot of service to others. I healed her some years ago when her heart was completely decomposed. Not just heart failure, but it was completely decomposed. An invalid. Then she was restored when I called her out and discerned her thoughts and needs, she was restored so that she could not only work but also get into a business. She was working two<\/em> shifts all these years. It\u2019s beautiful to look at her. She\u2019s someone to feast<\/em> upon, \u2018cause she is an example of the miracle of miracles. I\u2019m talking about heart atrophy where the muscles and the heart had just simply worn out, and now she\u2019s been able to have a business plus<\/em> a job. Yes. Next over here, then we\u2019ll move over to Sister Shakeschneider. (Clears throat) No one else then stand. (Pause) Occasionally we do this, and it\u2019s very good to know where the consciousness of the people is, for you<\/em> to know where the consciousness of the people is.<\/p>\n

Female 3:<\/strong> Jim, I really do have a question. Sometime ago, you asked me, did I have a house being worked on, and which we did. And this house has been in three people\u2019s hands for sale. They were going to buy it, but they didn\u2019t<\/em> buy it\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 3:<\/strong> So now we got it in the hands of another<\/em> man, and he said he wants the house. And I would like to know, is he going to buy the house?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>If I answer you, I\u2019ll have to answer to everyone else in the room. I\u2019ll have to answer every question in this room. You see, that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s the point of not having people stand with questions. Uh\u2013 If you want the house disposed of, the procedure to follow would be to talk to legal counselors here, and then after you\u2019ve done all that you can do, you will get the house free from you, if you want it free.<\/p>\n

Female 3:<\/strong> It\u2013 I\u2019m\u2013 I understand the question about uh\u2013 about everybody want uh\u2013 want you to answer the same question, so I don\u2019t feel bad (unintelligible word). Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s all right. I\u2013 I\u2013 I don\u2019t think you would, but you can see the dilemma I would be in. If I ask one\u2013 If I give you a revelation. I<\/em> know what\u2019s going to happen to your house. I know. But if I answer that question publicly, I\u2019ll have to answer a lot of other people\u2019s.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause when you get in my face, the moment you do, then I\u2013 I\u2013 I get answers. (Pause) Now we\u2019ve had services where\u2013 in which I answered every question, or where I told every person that came before me what was their problem. Just walk right by me. We did that in the Temple not long ago over on Geary but uh, it isn\u2019t today.<\/p>\n

Female 4 (Shakeschneider?):<\/strong> Uh, Father, when we was on the trip, when we was in Philadelphia.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 4:<\/strong> The first two nights in Philadelphia service, the first night, I saw a glow on your two shoulders.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 4:<\/strong> And I spoke to two of our members, and I tried to get them to see it. And the second night, it came back again, and it went from your shoulders\u2013 Every time you would do this, it went all the way down to the end of your hands. And I just tried awfully hard to get someone else to see it, but nobody would see it\u2013 could see it but me. And uh, I wanted to ask you (unintelligible word) and every time I would think about getting up, I said well, I\u2013 maybe that I was wrong, but the third night I do know that it wasn\u2019t there. So I know it wasn\u2019t the light that was doing it, but uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Female 4:<\/strong> \u2013I\u2019ve tried to hold it back, but it keeps coming back and keeps coming back, and it just haunts<\/em> me, so I just thought I\u2019d get up today and ask you, what was the meaning of it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It happened to you. It didn\u2019t happen to me. It happened to you, so it was meant for a sign to you of something you needed. Everyone in their level of consciousness needs something to further their soul or their psychic development. You needed to see<\/em> this evidently, and no one else saw it. They were not supposed<\/em> to see it. I can explain it in the terms of (clears throat) energy,<\/em> because when I anoint each picture and the oil and the records or the candles, an actual flow<\/em> goes out that people\u2013 workers say that things will feel warm<\/em> after I touch them. And sometimes very<\/em> warm. Well, there\u2019s a life force naturally. I\u2013 I have to transmit a part of me<\/em> to heal, and in Philadelphia, there were all kinds of healings. One woman was bent over like a bent nail, ossified, uh, where this rare k\u2013 kind of things that seldom get healed in the wheelchair, and there was\u2013 I think she was blind, wasn\u2019t she. And uh, there were many miracles like that. One was dead,<\/em> and all sorts of cancers and cripples. One fell down the steps, well, I\u2019m certain\u2013 and died down uh, the\u2013 these steel steps. So I\u2013 I\u2019m sure<\/em> that (Pause) aura goes out from me, vapor goes from me. They now show you that in the passing \u2013 scientists<\/em> show you in the Soviet Union \u2013 that they can photograph<\/em> the light\u2013 the light force that goes from the body at the time of death. They photographed it thousands of times, just as scientists also have weighed and found that our inner psyche, our soul, has an actual component of weight<\/em>. It weighs a quarter of a pound, because they\u2019ve weighed thousands of people just before they passed, and they would weigh one quarter of a pound more than the immediate time of their passing. They reduced one-fourth of a pound. So it\u2019s indeed possible for you to have a keen vision. It doesn\u2019t mean that you\u2019re in a higher consciousness at all, because those who follow me \u2013 and I\u2019m sure you are one of them \u2013 who are in the highest consciousness follow me because of my works<\/em>, not because I have a light or I have a healing or I can do miracles or I can walk on water which has been seen by many on one occasion when we took our t\u2013 uh, vacation a year ago in Mexico, as we always take our vacation together. Or once when I\u2019ve held up, when we were adopting babies and the sun was blocking the pictures, and I said I want something to go over the sun, the cloud appeared over the sun. People should not follow<\/em> me for those reasons.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Because that would be an inherent talent<\/em>. Now, Sister Nancy sings beautifully, but she could be a perfect ass and still sing. You understand what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I know a lawyer in this town, he\u2019s a brilliant<\/em> lawyer, but don\u2019t trust him. He\u2019s a snake in the grass. Of course \u2013 and all due respect to the lawyers I\u2019ve converted \u2013 there\u2019s nothing more parasitical than lawyers. They\u2019re the parasites of America. They\u2013 they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re a profession that\u2019s built to prey on other people\u2019s sufferings. In a perfect society, as it w\u2013 should be on the day of Pentecost, where all were equal, you wouldn\u2019t need<\/em> lawyers (Acts 2:1, \u201cAnd when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.\u201d).<\/span> (laughs) Oh, don\u2019t bother by it. It\u2019s truth anyway. Lawyers (Clears throat) as a group are always looking to find ways to bend the law or to circumvent the law, and unfortunately, where money talks in our society, you better have a lawyer. I just dealt with a case behind stage. I said I asked that that be taken care of two weeks ago. They\u2019ve got a public defender. I wouldn\u2019t put a rattlesnake in the care of a public defender.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Public defenders won\u2019t even take the time to come and see their clients. That\u2019s the advantage of this church. That\u2019s why I say to our brother, you need this church<\/em>, not because Jim Jones is a special person, but because he\u2019s got special things built into this church to take care of his people.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And one day you\u2019re going to need them, and naturally we have to have certain requirements, that we take care of church members first. But I wouldn\u2019t put a rattlesnake in the custody of a public defender, \u2018cause they don\u2019t care whether they give you any fair defense or not. Not at all. So you shouldn\u2019t follow me because you see a light, or someone says, well, come over. One lady said to me, our pastor\u2019s so good-looking, she was saying about one pastor. Not me. About some pastor, she said he\u2019d so good-looking. I thought, well, that stupid woman. That is\u2013 Now that is really stupid. Follow someone because they\u2019re good-looking? Fact of the matter, I think good looks is a curse, because things come easier for good-looking people, and thus they don\u2019t have to develop their inner self, unless they have a tremendous God-consciousness to be able to see through<\/em> people. (Pause) I say it\u2019s a curse<\/em> to be born good-looking.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you\u2019re ugly\u2013 if you\u2019re ugly and someone likes you, you know<\/em> they like you for something inside you. But if you are suave and you dress well and you got a diamond on your wr\u2013 finger, and you\u2019ve got your, you\u2013 you know, all the whatever, the perfect symmetry of the body is. You got all those things, you gonna get awfully nervous, because after a while, everything wilts, even that thing that you think\u2019s so important.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter, then applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Everything diminishes. But the soul<\/em>\u2013 if there\u2019s somebody seen your soul, and I love a black emphasis on soul<\/em>, they\u2019ll say\u2013 if you\u2019ve got soul<\/em>, you can be 88 and still keep that (Calls out) soul.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You never lose it. If you develop soul. But if you\u2019re developing the outward appearance, (chuckles) it\u2019ll\u2013 you\u2019ll fade. And then they\u2019ll dump<\/em> you. If you married somebody that looked at your outward appearance\u2013 I heard some fellow say the other day, well, I married her because she is the most beautiful woman. I thought, lady, look out. Look out, \u2018cause you\u2019ve had it. (Pause) \u2018Cause when the sagging forties come, she\u2019s finished.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that\u2019s why someone was saying the other day, someone said, this young woman is going to marry a man 30 years older than her. What\u2019s the matter with her? I said she\u2019s smart. (Pause) I didn\u2019t get any amens, but that shows how you really don\u2019t know where it\u2019s at.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause he has learned some things. He\u2013 he\u2019s learned that he isn\u2019t\u2013 or could<\/em>, there\u2019s some\u2013 there\u2019s old fools, and if he\u2019s an old fool, there\u2019s nothing so old and nothing so bad as an old<\/em> fool. There\u2019s no fool like an old fool. But if he has learned anything, she\u2019ll at least have what most women want, is a father figure, and she\u2019ll have protection, but if she gets some of these young things that think they\u2019re really s\u2013 hot stuff. (Pause) Woman passed \u2013 Sister Catherine Morris \u2013 I told her to\u2013 she better get away from the man that she was with, suave, always well-dressed. He was always beating on her. He beat on her last week and killed<\/em> her.<\/p>\n

Voice in Congregation:<\/strong> Calls.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> He killed her. Killed her. She\u2019s gone now, because she said\u2013 she said, I don\u2019t think I can get away from him. I said, well, I love you. She said let me go on, and I did. She got her wish. She couldn\u2019t get away from him. She\u00ad\u2013 There\u2019re some things in some women, they feel masochistic, like they deserved to be beat on. I don\u2019t know what it is. They want someone to just do dirt to them almost, but she\u2019s now gone, and she got her reward. She was translated to another place. Some fic\u2013 some character he is. He no\u2013 no sooner than she was gone, he was looking through the insurance papers to see how much money he could get.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Some character. But she don\u2019t have to put up with him anymore. So don\u2019t make fun of someone. You say, oh, she\u2019s got an old man. Yeah, and she probably got a nicer man than you\u2019ve<\/em> got.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And you say, what are you trying to justify? You\u2013 You got a young woman. No, my wife is five years my senior. And uh, she\u2019s as beautiful a woman and as compassionate a heart as you\u2019d want. Age makes no difference whatsoever. But I\u2019m just simply telling<\/em> you\u2013 I\u2019m telling<\/em> you\u2013 and I don\u2019t think she looks<\/em> five years my senior. But anyway, I know what\u2019s inside her. Beauty, quality, riches, riches of soul and spirit. She\u2019s your mother, and you need to feel what she is.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She\u2019s down in Los Angeles today. Works all week, the coordinator of uh\u2013 an executive in charge of inspecting all these nursing homes that make her heart ache. She said they\u2019re just traps. They\u2019re taking them away from the small business person, and corporations are swallowing them up, and she\u2019s fighting this trend. She fights with a\u2013 like a tiger to get these people out of these\u2013 the clutches of these big old nursing home corporations. But on a Sunday, she\u2019ll always be here when I\u2019m not here, or down in Los Angeles. What a beautiful mother you have.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Sustained applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. (Pause) So follow me because of the works that I do. Follow me because of the character that I have. If you don\u2019t have that, healings won\u2019t last. You\u2019ve got to have that character, because if I put my character in you, if you can copy my character, you\u2019ll have a defense against every storm<\/em>, you\u2019ll have a shelter in the time of every raging<\/em> storm. But if you don\u2019t see something of character, you\u2019re in a real bad condition. So look for character. If I don\u2019t have as much character as someone else you think you know, follow them. I can tell you \u2013 and I know this is pitifully<\/em> true \u2013 no one\u2019s got the character that I have in the continent today.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. And\u2013 And\u2013 And I don\u2019t have to have you clap, but one day you\u2019ll see that. One day, when the trials come. And they always do, because unrighteousness hates righteousness. Failure hates success. Ugliness hates beauty. Well, I\u2019m not beauty, but I am one thing: successful in the field of character. And failure\u2019s going to hate\u2013 failure\u2019s going to hate that. And failure\u2019s going to try to attack that. The enemies of truth have<\/em> to attack me. I don\u2019t know why they\u2019re not attacking me now. Well, I do know. But the fact is that they will have<\/em> to come at me with all their lies, every kind of lie will have to be told on me, because this is a ugly land that we\u2019re living in. Oh, it\u2019s beautiful\u2013 beautiful as far as its forest and its trees and its skies, but the people have made it an ugly land. (Pause) They\u2019ve made it a land of graft and greed and racism and war. They\u2019ve made it a land where CIA\u2019s practice murder, and murder nuns in Chile and Brazil, and all over the world overthrow governments. This is a bad time. And ugliness is going to hate<\/em> what I am, and they\u2019re going to have to attack me, but when they do, you\u2019re going to see the pure, pure refined fire that will save people that want to be saved.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Is that all the questions, that\u2013 that were standing. Yes, uh, you were standing. All right. No one else. (Pause) Shift yourself. (Pause) Um-hmm?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shh\u2013<\/p>\n

Female 5:<\/strong> What is the soul of man?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Soul is the body. (Pause) Soul is the body.<\/p>\n

Female 5:<\/strong> Soul is the body. Well, I been con\u2013 confused about it (unintelligible under Jones\u2019 interruption)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Spirit is the psychic\u2013 Spirit is the\u2013 is the inner being. But soul is the body. Abraham said uh, to Sarah, lie and say that I\u2019m your brother. He was a low grade\u2013 Uh\u2013 He wasn\u2019t very high consciousness. He said, tell this king that I am your brother, so that he will not\u2013 What? Kill my soul. Soul is a body (Genesis 12: 11-13).<\/span><\/p>\n

Female 5:<\/strong> Thanks.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If it\u2019s important. I don\u2019t know what importance it really has. All those questions are not too meaningful, really, but it\u2013 if it give you some understanding, I\u2019m glad, I\u2019m\u2013 what I\u2019m saying is, it\u2019s not important. I\u2019m not trying anyway to reflect on your question, because we have a right to ask any<\/em> question, and we have a right to know anything we want to know. But, as I say, uh, all<\/em> religious questions are of no importance. The things you need to concern yourself is my uh, apostolic, egalitarian, equalitarian, socialistic nature. That\u2019s<\/em> what you need to know more about. That\u2019s<\/em> the only thing that\u2019ll take you through. And if you don\u2019t know<\/em> that, you won\u2019t get through. But if those that know my true spirit, they will be able to go through every kind of enemy that\u2019s thrown at them. Every kind of opposition, you\u2019ll be victor\u2013 more<\/em> than victor, more than conqueror in this name. Yes, ma\u2019am, you wished to ask a question, I\u2019ll allow it. (Clears throat) Um-hmm?<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, just a moment. They\u2019re not hearing you.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Okay, if I understood you correctly to\u2013 in ans\u2013 uh, answering the lady\u2019s question, when she asked what was the soul, and you said, the soul is the body\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm\u2013<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> \u2013but when the body dies (unintelligible under Jones)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013the Spirit returns to God who gave it. Hmm, see, the Spirit and the soul\u2013 Soul is the body. That\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s your int\u2013 that\u2019s your total intellect and physiological, chemical process.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Then uh, what about that uh\u2013 I read this\u2013 an article in the paper about uh, what you mentioned about the doctors making studies\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm\u2013<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> \u2013about people just before they die\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm\u2013<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> And uh\u2013 and finding out that this uh, quarter of a pound or whatever it is that they uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, I made a mistake a while ago. I said soul\u2013 I\u2013 I just used language that people understand. Most people think soul is the inner person. I should say, the psyche. The spirit. Because the spirit\u2019s<\/em> what how\u2013 has weight, not the body. Go ahead now, I\u2013 I didn\u2019t mean to intrude. Now you ahead with your question.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Oh, well, then, uh, uh\u2013 then uh\u2013 (Pause) The soul is the body or the life? Is that the way you in\u2013 you interpret it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm. The\u2013 the natural<\/em> life.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> The natural life. Very well. Then, what about the uh\u2013 are the (Pause) inner part of man, the God-given spirit of man. Is that the one that lives eternally?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> The God-evolved part, uh, mind\u2013 mind that has evolved to the s\u2013 higher sensitivity level. Mind that becomes fully loving survives. Only the minds that are fully<\/em> evolved to a sensitive, compassionate, Christ level, to be perfect as the Christ is perfect, in the sense of giving oneself, or as we have seen Christ in the Fathership degree today.<\/span> You have to follow me closely, because I always speak in parables.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> What about the\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That Christ\u2013 When that is developed to a sensitive level, then you will not die<\/em>. Uh, your s\u2013 your spirit goes on. But if you do not develop higher sensitivities, you have to continue in the earthly state, or in a physical state, until you develop soul. (Pause) There are cases where people are walking around. We had one case in our midst that was proven, where people are walking around, uh, (short laugh) two souls in\u2013 well, that\u2019s too complicated. Two spirits in\u2013 One spirit in two bodies. Incomplete. Incomplete. Sick personalities that are incomplete. And they have to be integrated. They have to be integrated, they\u2019ve not involved\u2013 evolved in love, they\u2019re not grown in love enough to be a full soul to go on to the next plane, to the next heaven, you call it, the next planet. That\u2019s very complicated. I\u2013 I think that we get into it \u2018til we will always lose sight of the important things, because we are to take care of the things that are at hand, to work out our plan of salvation on earth, in fear and trembling, to build the kingdom of heaven on earth (Philippians 2:12-13, \u201cWherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.\u201d).<\/span> But I\u2019m telling you something that\u2019s been proven to me as a metaphysician that called up the woman that spit the cancer up in the aisle, and I told her things about her life, and healed her back, from their neck, from the\u2013 where it\u2013 where it had been broken in an accident. I uh\u2013 (clears throat) can only tell you my experience level. My experience level uh, is that there are some\u2013 there are rare<\/em> cases where people do not have any existence after their body passes. What little spark of uh, extra-dimensional talent or extraterrestrial talent or heavenly as\u2013 aspect integrates with another body, and they\u2013 they never survive as a personality. (Pause) That\u2019s rough stuff, I shouldna probably thrown it out.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Ha. Well, then, now that is uh, uh, just is something that is uh\u2013 Well, I had heard of it, but that\u2019s rather, uh, well, new to me. I\u2013 uh\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I know somebody by the name of Whitey Freestone, for instance. Whitey Freestone will never survive. He will never\u2013 he will never live on the next dimension. He is too base. He is too base. He\u2019s lower<\/em> than the animal level. He will not survive. The soul that sinneth, it shall surely die (Ezekiel 18:4, \u201cThe soul that sinneth, it shall die.\u201d Also, Ezekiel 18:20).<\/span> The Hebrews said, the spirit, the psyche that is basically sinful or degenerate will not live, it will surely die. So Whitey Freestone could not<\/em> survive, there\u2019s no way he can survive, he is intrinsically uh, undeveloped. I hate to say \u201cevil,\u201d that\u2019s a misused and abused word, but he\u2019s intrinsically undeveloped. He\u2019s the one that caused the only bad newspaper article we had. He molested his child. Molested two<\/em> of his children. We tried to give him corrective therapy. He wasn\u2019t a member of the church, but we tried to get him to get psychiatric treatment. He wouldn\u2019t do<\/em> so, and he went out and lied on the church, and then\u2013 (Clears throat) And I think there\u2019s a man by the name of [Lester] Kinsolving, I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any intrinsic soul or spirit to him, this man that attacks all these churches, that once attacked us, now he\u2019s attacked everybody, Christian Science, uh, every\u2013 every religion you want to name, he\u2019s attacked it. He has no feeling or sensitivity. I think he\u2019s from a lost plane.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Then uh\u2013 then do you uh\u2013 does this explain then, or does this attribute the evilness in people? I mean, the wa\u2013 the hard-heartedness, the heartlessness\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

(Jones and woman talk over each other)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013we think almost as demoniac, which seems to be just simply demoniac, the fact that they have no conscience at all, they\u2019ve not developed any of the higher order. They\u2019re not of<\/em> the higher order of man. They\u2019re on the low animal plane.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> (Slowly) I see. Then you do\u2013 Uh, then there are demons.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I don\u2019t like the term demon.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Well, the demoniac. The word demoniac, isn\u2019t that derived from\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh, demoniac uh, means impish, uh\u2013 I would say these are people who\u2019ve developed no consciousness. To be impish or to be uh, (struggles over words) a demon means something that is\u2013 is out to do evil with design. These people have no conscience. (Pause) But, all Bible is parabellic, all Bible is allegorical, and uh, it\u2013 symbolic. So I guess you could use the term demon if you wanted to. There\u2019s as close to the demoniac as you want to get. But there aren\u2019t demons in the s\u2013 that uh, the sense of the literalism of King James, where seven demons lived in one body (Matthew 12:43-45; Luke 11:23-25; also Luke 8:1-2).<\/span> I\u2013 I don\u2019t think so.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> (Slowly) I see. Oh, then you\u2013 you don\u2019t uh\u2013 (Pause) you don\u2019t agree with uh\u2013 with the\u2013 with the Bible, what the Bible says?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I agree with the true Bible, I don\u2019t agree with King James. You gonna get me on another two hours, and I don\u2019t really want to get into it, but you\u2019re such an honest person. King James, you see, is not accurate. King James is not accurate even in the genealogy of Jesus. If you go home and read the first chapter of Matthew and the third chapter of Luke, you\u2019ll find that King James doesn\u2019t even know who Jesus\u2019 grandfather is. One says Jesus\u2019 father Joseph, both agree on that. But the other says that Jesus\u2019 grandfather was Heli, the other says Jacob. The other says his great-grandfather was Matthan, the other says Matthat. Misspelling takes place. One says he has fifteen more ancestors as you trace him back to Abraham, than the other writer does (Matthew 1:1-16, compared to Luke 3:23-38).<\/span> And there are mistakes like this<\/em> in King James. King James said that Jesus, after he was baptized, after he came into a higher consciousness of the ineffable union of the dove figuratively settled on his head in the River Jordan (Baptism of Jesus, Matthew 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22), he went for 40 days into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. Spent 40 days and 40 nights (Matthew 4:1-11; Mark 1:12-13), but the same Bible tells you in another place, that after he was baptized, three days later, he was in Cana of Galilee, 80 miles from the wilderness, turning what? Water into wine (John 2:1-10).<\/span> See, there are mistakes<\/em> in King James. So in order to interpret King James, how can you hear without a preacher, how can he preach lest he be sent? Faith doesn\u2019t come by Bible reading, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. And that\u2019s what I am. The Word (Romans 10:13-17).<\/span><\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. And I can prove<\/em> to you that I am the Word, if you have a heart that\u2019s open to truth. Hebrews 4:12, you go home and read it. I fulfill, as no one you\u2019ve met before, fulfills, 4:12. I discern thoughts, know the intents of the heart, sharper than a two-edged sword, separate soul from Spirit, I\u2019ve resurrected the dead and brought the soul and the spirit back many<\/em> times, I can separate the bone from the marrow \u2013 there\u2019re all kinds of people here that\u2019ve been in body casts, that were (clear throat) suffering from broken bones like she, just this morning, corrected instantly \u2013 so I\u2019m fulfilling the Word (Hebrews 4:12, \u201cFor the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.\u201d). The Word is not a Bible. It is a living<\/em> thing. And it always has a body. If it didn\u2019t, God would be a respect of persons (Several, including 2 Samuel 14:14, \u201c\u2026neither doth God\u00a0respect\u00a0any\u00a0person\u2026\u201d; 2 Chronicles 19:7, \u201cWherefore now let the fear of the\u00a0Lord\u00a0be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the\u00a0Lord\u00a0our God, nor\u00a0respect\u00a0of\u00a0persons, nor taking of gifts.\u201d See also James 2:1-4.). If God were to appear to Solomon uh\u2013 and Solomon said his hair was a black as a raven (Song of Solomon 5:11, \u201cHis head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven.\u201d), if he were to appear to Isaiah, and Isaiah said after the final day, Isaiah 7:20 said, he will shave with a razor. God himself will shave with a razor (Isaiah 7:20, \u201cIn the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.\u201d). If God didn\u2019t appear in the likeness of man in every generation, he would be guilty of discrimination. And he proved<\/em> that he did do so, because when Mary and Martha was coming back from the tomb, after they\u2019d laid Jesus in the tomb, they came back by the roadside, and they were heavy at heart, and a man came up to them and talked to them by the wayside, and they called him the gardener because he had a different shape, a different likeness, different color of hair, different color of eyes, they called him a gardener, but your Bible says that he was Jesus. God. Uh, every time one body\u2019s laid down, God picks up another body (John 20:11-18).<\/span><\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s called the hundred\u2013 It\u2019s called the hundredfold degree. There\u2019s a Fathership degree called the hundredfold. Some are born thirtyfold, some are sixtyfold, some are one hundredfold. I am manifesting the hundredfold consciousness (Matthew 13:3-23), and Jesus said, it would be greater today than it was in his day. He said, these things shall you do and what? Greater, because I go to the Father. Greater<\/em>. Greater miracles will be done (John 14:12.)<\/span> And that\u2019s the beauty of the law of evolution, of the Christ evolution, it gets greater, more perfect, more and more until the perfect day. Everything\u2019s greater after one body\u2019s laid down. But if God did not have a body in 1973, and had a body when Nebuchadnezzar saw him, that heathen, slave-owning king \u2013 Nebuchadnezzar owned slaves<\/em>, as you remember, he was evil<\/em>, a Babylonish king \u2013 and yet he saw God in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3).<\/span> Saw Christ. Christ is God. Jesus said, when you\u2019ve seen me, you\u2019ve seen the Father (John 14:9, \u201c\u2026he that hath\u00a0seen\u00a0me\u00a0hath\u00a0seen the\u00a0Father\u2026\u201d). I\u2019ve come in my Father\u2019s name (John 5:43, \u201cI am come in my Father\u2019s name\u2026\u201d), I and the Father are one (John 10:30, \u201cI and my Father are one\u201d).<\/span> So God always<\/em> is present. He always has a body, and when people have a pure heart, free of racism, free of the worship of things, free of materialism, free of all those possessive characteristics, when they free themselves of the love of money, which is the root of all evuh\u2013 all evil (1 Timothy 6:10, \u201cFor the love of\u00a0money\u00a0is the\u00a0root\u00a0of all\u00a0evil\u2026\u201d), he said, blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall\u2013 they\u2013 well, no, they will<\/em> see God. They\u2019ll see<\/em> God. Not think they see God. Not feel God. But they will see God. (Matthew 6:8, \u201cBlessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.\u201d)<\/span> But we\u2019re in a big subject here, and you\u2019re very intelligent, you\u2019ve overcome the language barrier beautifully, you have a sharp mind, you speak so well, so eloquently. (Pause) I\u2019m merely saying that uh, the Bible has been mistranslated many times, and thus you have to have a preacher to interpret that is sent. How would you know whether he\u2019s sent? Because he has the nine faculties or gifts of the Holy Spirit of Truth, which are gifts of miracles, healings, tongues, interpretation, prophecy, discernment, wisdom, all those things which are uh, operative here if you are open to see it (1 Corinthians 12, esp. 1 Corinthians 12:28, \u201cAnd God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.\u201d). But the Bible does not save you. It says you are saved by Bible-reading? No. Saved by what? The foolishness<\/em> of preaching. (1 Corinthians 1:20-21, \u201cWhere is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? \u00a0<\/sup><\/strong>For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.\u201d).<\/span> (Pause) So I merely mean demons has been mistranslated, that\u2019s what I say.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> One more question. As I recall, the Bible also saved by grace. Are you saved through faith, and that not of yourselves? It is a gift of God, lest anyone<\/em> should boast.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> It\u2019s a gift of God. It\u2019s a gift of God. Indeed, that\u2013 that is true. But you cannot find the gift of God, you\u2013 unless you have a preacher to lead you, to guide you (Romans 10:13-17).<\/span> That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. That\u2019s wha\u2013 that\u2019s all I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

Female 6:<\/strong> Thank you, thank you, thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. (Pause) Very well. Thank you. Shift yourself and gun\u2013 give love, we are longer than we would like to be, but sometimes questions have to be asked.<\/p>\n

Long pause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (tape edit) \u2013in Scripture, the gifts that came, that were imparted by the laying on of hands, God has to be incarnate in a body to express his gifts. So you remember when the Scripture spoke of receiving gifts by the laying on of hands? (1 Timothy 4:14, \u201cNeglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.\u201d)<\/span> Even the gift of God comes through someone being a vessel of the Spirit.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Delayed, scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s deep, but she<\/em> understands what I\u2019m talking about. (Pause) Before we continue in the healing realm, they\u2019ve brought back the\u2013 (tape edit) \u2013one of the vials, the seven vials, are gonna be open<\/em>, and we have<\/em> to be ready for it. We know the date, the minute, the hour, the year. And we\u2019ve got another vial we\u2019ve got to prepare for (seven vials \u201cfull of the wrath of God\u201d in Revelation 15-21).<\/span> Now I urge you to take upon<\/em> you this thing in consciousness seriously. If you want your leader to be able to fulfill service to you in the highest sense, don\u2019t put him through these offerings. I<\/em> don\u2019t get any of them. So don\u2019t put me through it. We had to discontinue the Friday night meeting \u2013 that was necessary \u2013 to give some rest to the soul, to give some balance to the ministry. I<\/em> didn\u2019t get out of it, I\u2019m down in Los Angeles. I never get any rest. (Clears throat) I just increase my Thursday and Friday night service there, because they actually have less exposure to me than you do. I\u2019m in Wednesday night \u2013 every Wednesday night \u2013 in Redwood Valley, up in the mother church. You can go there if you choose. And often I\u2019m there on Tuesday, and sometimes I\u2019ve been there Tuesday, Wednesday, and<\/em> Thursday. But I\u2019m there at least every Wednesday (clears throat) and I\u2019m here every Friday. They don\u2019t get as much exposure to\u2013 (pause) well, whosoever you say. They don\u2019t get a\u2013 as much exposure. And I wanted to balance, to bring Los Angeles up to the consciousness that we are in\u2013 in this atmosphere, and they are a beautiful people. We had a revival of revivals every time we go there. In fact, I wish we were all\u2013 (clears throat) If it wasn\u2019t for the smog conditions and some other threats upon us, you know, like uh, 3:09 of the sixteenth, it wouldn\u2019t bother me, I\u2019d still<\/em> go down there, I\u2019d prefer, those beautiful apartments that we have around the church, I wish we were all centered in one place. It\u2019s very difficult being spread all over this California. And I\u2019d like in these last days as we get prepared for the exodus, to be in one place. It\u2019d be very, very helpful to all of us, and Los Angeles carries a vitality. Thursday and Friday were just filled with the glory of the s\u2013 kind of presence of God. And it\u2019s such a lovely Temple, covers the whole block. And it lends itself to take care of every one, we could all be housed in that Temple. But circumstances doesn\u2019t permit that. (clears throat) So that is why, uh, I did have to at least go down there on Thursday and Friday every other week. (Pause) And uh, we have discontinued Friday every other week here. Now next Friday, we\u2019ll be<\/em> here. On our way to Los Angeles, we always have a Friday miracle-of-miracles services. But a three-day weekend can make your life too common. I don\u2019t know whether you know it or not, but I<\/em> know that this is your life. One day you\u2019ll<\/em> know that what I am is your life.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls, scattered applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. Don\u2019t clap, because it\u2019s\u2013 if that\u2019s\u2013 that much effort, I wouldn\u2019t do it. (Pause) And I wonder what would happen if people knew<\/em> how much of the life I am to you. (Pause) I wonder if people would follow my teachings about keeping your weight down and making the 20 calls a day. Think of the fact that we\u2019ve had 461 people brought back from the dead this<\/em> year. Woman in Los Angeles this week, is dead\u2013 so dead that I can only compare to the man that was\u2013 scoffed out here and wouldn\u2019t give his money, said he wasn\u2019t going to give any money and he died outside and they carried him in, the bowel movement was on his legs, you remember, he laid down here for 20 long minutes. (clears throat) The ambulance people just shook their heads. But I worked on him and got him back to life. Her eyes were set\u2013 She\u2013 When she came back from the dead, she couldn\u2019t even talk. She was paralyzed. But I kept working, and I promised her, a bold<\/em> act of faith. That\u2019s the hundredfold degree. It\u2019s a commitment<\/em>, it\u2019s a life<\/em> and a commitment<\/em>. It\u2019s a development<\/em>. Hundredfold means one hundred percent devoted to God. One hundred percent given<\/em> to God (Matthew 13:3-23). Crucified<\/em> with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ that liveth in me (Galatians 2:20, \u201cI am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.\u201d).<\/span> And that was the consciousness that was expressed there. I held on there, I said, you will talk. And she did. And her family came the next day, uh, got in contact with us the next day and thanked us for saving her, bringing her back, because she not only talked, she danced and kept in the service for the lo\u2013 the three hours. Beautiful<\/em> healing. Just a wonderful, wonderful miracle. And if people would follow my teachings, I don\u2019t think there would be as it was when Moses brought them out, said they were like gold and silver, there wasn\u2019t a feeble<\/em> one amongst them. But people don\u2019t follow my teachings, people don\u2019t\u2013 Most people don\u2019t like me, even, because people don\u2019t like authority figure. That\u2019s what it said of\u2013 You remember when Moses said it in Psalms, I think, the hundred and fifth chapter, he said he brought them forth also with silver and gold, and there was not one feeble one amongst them (Psalm 105:37, \u201cHe brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.\u201d).<\/span> (clears throat) But we\u2019ve got the silver. (Pause) I won\u2019t say about the other, on the grounds it might tend to incriminate us.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Delayed, scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Peace. Peace. (tape edit) you to show your concern. We are way, way short of that margin, and we\u2019ve got to get ready for that deadline. (tape edit) \u2013that the present president [Richard Nixon] has more power than Adolf Hitler. And if it isn\u2019t changed quickly, we\u2019ll have concentration camps for all black, brown, Mexicans, poor whites. Well, Senator [Frank] Church, he oughta know, he\u2019s there inside looking on. Say, what\u2019s that got to do with an offering? Well, we know, don\u2019t we?<\/p>\n

Scattered:<\/strong> Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> If you were here last night, you know. Say, why don\u2019t you review it? Don\u2019t want to. There\u2019s somebody here I don\u2019t want to hear it. You understand the mystery? Say, well, they won\u2019t give any money. They wouldn\u2019t anyway. (Pause) And they\u2019re\u2013 they\u2019re not\u2013 they\u2019re not those two white sisters over there that are guests. In fact, there\u2019s not a white person here that I\u2019m talking to. It\u2019s an Oreo cookie.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You know what an Oreo cookie is? Some of our new white people don\u2019t know what an Oreo cookie is. That\u2019s something that\u2019s black on the outside and white on the inside.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019ve never seen anything like an Oreo cookie. They try so<\/em> hard to be white that they\u2019ll sell out their own people. (Pause) No wonder there not a lot of Amens, because we know what it\u2019s all about.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And I know of no better black folk than some of the people here that\u2019ve got red hair. Black is a state of consciousness. Say, what do you mean by black being a state of consciousness? Anyone\u2013 anytime you identify with the underdog, those that\u2019ve been oppressed, you\u2019re one of them. You can be one. A Jew\u2019s not a Jew outwardly, but one inwardly<\/em>. That\u2019s what the Scripture told you. So you can be identified with the sufferings of others (Romans 2, esp. Romans 2:28-29).<\/span> So this morning I feel that in three minutes time, we must take our offering. If we don\u2019t come up to par\u2013 (tape edit) James Jenkins. Who is this? (Pause) Hands clasped, please. (Pause) Do you have a loved one named Linda?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes sir. Um-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been faithful to come uh\u2013 and to stand alone. You\u2019re a teacher?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> In the military?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes sir.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s wonderful. You\u2019ve had to come even though you\u2019ve had to make your stand alone. For that reason, I\u2019m going to protect your<\/em> life and protect your child\u2019s life. Hands clasped. Hands clasped. (Pause) Keep your hands clasped, please, each of you. Jim\u2013 wife s\u2013 smoke?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes sir, she does.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Virgin\u2013 Virginia Slims?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Virginia Slims, right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Um-hmm. (Pause) (tape edit) \u2013be a fire caused in your house that would\u2019ve left you so much scar that you wouldn\u2019t be appearing like uh, the good-looking person that you are now. But because of this\u2013 There\u2019s also some difficulty around the back area that\u2019s developed. There\u2019s a growth forming on your spine. You know where the soreness has developed in the last few weeks?<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes sir.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When you touch it, it will be taken care of. Because you\u2019ve been faithful, I\u2019ll be faithful to you.<\/p>\n

Jenkins:<\/strong> Yes sir.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause. Singing.<\/p>\n

Man sings:<\/strong> Drinking at the fountain. Drinking at the fountain, that won\u2019t run dry. Oh, Father is the fountain, Father is the fountain\u2013<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Conley. Corlis Conley. Don\u2019t have to sit down, if you won\u2019t wi\u2013 wish to. Who is Corlis Cow\u2013 Conley? (Pause) You\u2019re too young<\/em> to have that kind of problem. Hands clasped. Who is Alex?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Alex?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You know anyone named Alex?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Yes, a friend.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmm?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> A friend.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. (Pause) Blessed. You\u2019ve told me nothing about your life?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you know anyone in your life or any\u2013 any of your loved ones that\u2019s had several operations for cesarean\u2013 a cesarean also and several operations?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> My mother.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yeah. Umm-hmm, and that\u2019s somebody close, isn\u2019t it? Hands clasped. (Pause) I don\u2019t know you, and I never been in your home, is that correct?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Pause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you have a copper-color canister container someplace in your house? In your kitchen?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> A bread (unintelligible word). Yeah.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. All containers together.<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to touch them with this, to save a tragedy. This must be placed on your female parts, because you at your young age are developing cancer. Been a particular difficulty of pressure that comes during your cycle that\u2019s un-normal and\u2013 abnormal, rather, I don\u2019t like the word abnormal. And some discharge. This will save you from cancer. Do you have faith?<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> When you touch that, that\u2019ll take care of it. Hold it, don\u2019t let anyone\u2013 don\u2019t let anyone get this cloth from you.<\/p>\n

Conley:<\/strong> Thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> (Sings) \u2013 fountain, that won\u2019t run dry. Oh, Father is the foun\u2013<\/p>\n

tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Matilda. Matilda. Matilda Alvarado? (Pause) Who\u2019s this? Matilda Alvarado. (Pause) Hands clasped. (Long pause) Several things come before me, I\u2013 I must jot down. Please<\/em> bring me pictures, folk, I can protect you more if I have a p\u2013 uh, picture to meditate over, because as my picture gives an energy to you, thousands of my pictures disappeared. You can get copies out there to show you how people who had cancer, blindness, even my eyes<\/em> disappear when the blindness will be healed, or when the growth will go. Man last night with gangrene in Los\u2013 (stumbles over words) no, not last night, night before last, in Los Angeles. What\u2019s his name?<\/p>\n

Voice too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Sidell. Brother Sidell. Both legs, eaten up with gangrene. Disappeared. Two hospitals couldn\u2019t cure him, he put the picture, and it scorched a hole right into the picture.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Calls<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And he felt the heat going into his legs, and he was up, standing on his feet, praising God, they couldn\u2019t find any gangrene whatsoever. It\u2019s all gone.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Your<\/em> picture will enable me to be able to build a chart<\/em> that\u2019ll protect you. And if you think on me properly, if you just dir\u2013 think harmoniously in the direction of me as a picture contact\u2013 with a picture contact, or the oil or the candles at six o\u2019clock, or the music that has been given by divine inspiration, you will get what you need.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Do you have a Maytag, (stumbles over words) are you associated with a Maytag wringer-washer?<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> What are you\u2013 What are you saying, Jim Jones? I coul\u2013 I couldn\u2019t understand pretty good English.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ahh.<\/p>\n

(exchange in Spanish or Portuguese)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Ahh, I have someone down here. (Pause) Poco tempo. Poco tempo.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Good. You hear what I say, a Maytag, uh, Maytag what was it? Wringer-washer.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Very well. Hmm. Hands clasped. I\u2019ve never been in her home, I do not know anything about her personal life, that correct? We say that for those that need to hear, so they can build their own faith.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> She has a breaking out, very bad. On her left arm.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shingles, on her side.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Shingles. Right.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> About four years, in this February.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, well, that\u2019s all right. You were born in uh, (unintelligible name), Mexico.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been in the United States for about 62 years. Sixty-three years.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Seventy-two. Seventy-two years. Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Umm-hmm. Your birthday, March 14.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped. (Pause) Your age\u2013 I know your age is 72, I\u2019m not\u2013 I\u2019m talking about the time of you being in the United States. Hands clasped. You\u2019ve been worried about someone in the past that\u2019s caused you some gr\u2013 uh, great difficulty. Frida Montoya.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes, my friend.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped. (Pause) (Speaks Spanish) You have another loved one that is Mary Burton, or something of that sort.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You will be in company of driving also, there\u2019s three things that I\u2019m protecting you from. I\u2019ll send the nurse down. Lydia\u2013 Lydia\u2013 Lydia or something.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped. You have two sons and two daughters.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Rachel.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Reno.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hands clasped. This breaking out\u2013 (clears throat) Also there\u2019s a tightness that goes across the chest.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Does she understand? Are you not making it clear?<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, yes, all right. Hands clasped. (Pause) Hands clasped. (Pause) Do you ever use Kerns Peach Nectar? (incredulous, talking to self) Kerns Peach Nectar? I don\u2019t even know some of this stuff that I hear from my mind.<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Use a\u2013 uh\u2013 (Spanish words) Eat. (Spanish words)<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And uh\u2013 Best Foods\u2013 Uh, Best Foods Real uh, Mayonnaise.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Not very much. (Spanish words) Not very much.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Uh\u2013 Any much is too much.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> (Laughs) I\u2019m sorry.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2018Cause you\u2019ve got a blood pressure problem. You\u2019ve got a heart problem. And I\u2019m gonna give you the release that you need now. I want to tell\u2013 uh, she\u2019ll tell you what to do, what to put\u2013 uh, well, I can\u2019t say what\u2013 Tha\u2013 that\u2019s something I\u2019m gonna tell you to do for that breaking out, that you call shingles, but it\u2019s far worse than that. It\u2019s a blood disease. (Sound of slap or clap) (Calls out) Spirit. Life<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I needn\u2019t ask. Her hea\u2013 uh, her chest feels all right now?<\/p>\n

Voices of translator and woman too soft.<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> No itching anywhere?<\/p>\n

Alvarado:<\/strong> Yes. No.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Good. Good, good.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> (Sings) Oh, he\u2019s real, he\u2019s real.<\/p>\n

Tape edit<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Who\u2019s had someone missing, loved one missing since September, year ago? Who lost a brother, a year ago in the summer? Around the summer. Early summer. (Pause) Please listen. (Pause) These are\u2013 these are categorical cycles that must be protected. I\u2019ll give you some of the names. One of you name is Louie.<\/p>\n

End of tape.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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