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If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
\nTo return to the Tape Index, click here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>You are insane. You don\u2019t understand the dire danger of the jungle. You\u2019d be better lost in a proverbial hell than in a jungle. It\u2019s the source of wildlife, the source of food, that all of our people could always eat, if you were led by a guide that knows what they\u2019re doing. But again I remind you and I urge upon you, even if you were to get out, the Guyana Defense Force, the police will return you, to face our structure and discipline. And again, if you got to Georgetown, you have all kinds of barriers from Guyana authorities releasing you, and you cannot just be released by a passport, you must pass Guyanese release of tax clearance and other clearances, you must have release of the Embassy, and now that the Embassy is red-faced over someone stealing money off of us, they will report to us also. There is no way you can try to commit treason against this group, to try to betray by leaving this group, until our people are here to safety. The least you can do is to show the respect for that. We want our people to safety, and goddamn the likes of you that take any risk\u2013 cause us any risk [tape distortion for one word, likely \u201cto\u201d] the contrary. Now, back to work and back to production. Step it up, please, step it up, please. All units are back their usual points of surveillance. And again, anyone knowing anything critical, that any negative action or talk of anyone going on the bend or any person going for other reason to Georgetown, report it to this office so that they will not go at the midnight time, this time until they\u2019ve improved their behavior, or have been confirmed about their behavior before they get on board at midnight. Report any negative criticism you hear of any kind, because you are cutting off your own\u00a0<\/em>nose to spite your face. It\u2019s your<\/em>throat they\u2019re cutting when they\u2019re cutting down this place, so keep in mind that it is proper to report in a socialist community. Cuba\u2013 Free Cuba has committees of defense of the revolution that report all activities of their neighbors, relatives in every block. We are under the same state of emergency. We\u2019re threatened by mercenaries and by the evil machinations of class enemy number one, [Tim] Stoen and his fascist conspirators, CIA-backed, and oil-backed. We will not tolerate anyone else listening to gossip. We will step up our committees of the defense of the revolution. I\u2019m asking coordinators Ava [Cobb Jones], Joyce, so forth to assign special task force of the committee of the defense of the revolution, working with Tim S\u2013 [Tupper] <\/p>\n

Now, I cannot emphasize this enough, that it must be implemented immediately, so that there will be reporting listening posts in every unit, housing unit, dormitory, because of this kind of foolishness.<\/p>\n

We were warned by [likely former minister Fred Wills, could be Rashleigh E. Jackson] the Foreign Mini\u2013 Minister, we have infiltration. The only way they could hurt us is from within. So now the security measures must be taken, and taken immediately, implemented immediately. No questions about it. Immediately. Thank you very much. I love you, but I must be stern in the defense of the lives of our children and the safety and protection of getting our people out of that hell of racism that\u2019s going to lead to genocide, extermination, concentration camps of our black people, if not earlier by nuclear war that will murder 212 million of our people in 20 minutes of the nuclear war. For Christ\u2019s sakes, don\u2019t repeat this kind of mistake again.<\/p>\n

Again, I remind you, anyone hearing anything negative or knowing or observing anything negative about those going into Georgetown or anyone else in this community, in leadership or any other place in this socialist, egalitarian, equality of this community, report it to the radio office immediately.<\/p>\n

You cannot leave this area. It\u2019s impossible. Security\u2013 It\u2019s impossible for you to break that security. You could not survive in the jungle if you were to get there. There\u2019re snakes that can make your leg nothing but a mass of open ulceration. Check it in the medical office. And your eyes go blind, and to be paralyzed. Snakes that kill within three hours, or 20 minutes. Crocodiles that devour you in one gulp. Quicksand that swallows you up over your head, just beyond East House. You have no business going in the jungle without a guide like myself that has intuition, or Stephan [Jones], someone that has that kind of direction. I can take you miles\u00a0<\/em>in the jungle, but you dare\u00a0<\/em>not venture into the jungle. If you are on your work assignment, you are protected. No snake or tiger has ever ventured here, no one has ever been bitten. Tiger will stand off the edge of the community and look at us. That\u2019s a marvelous miracle in itself.<\/p>\n

And if you were to make it, by some slim chance, the authorities, the Guyana Defense Force, the head of the whole armed navy\u2013 (tape edit) and army. Commander [Clarence] Price is a personal friend who gave up a seat for one of our people, and Dr. [Larry] Schacht, so they could have emergency treatment in Georgetown. They will report. The police will report. Then when you get into Georgetown, the Guyana authorities will report when you have to get your papers, because you can\u2019t travel just on a passport alone, and then the embassy will report, after this defector who stole thousands of dollars [Debby Blakey], which we may well retrieve. But we will have no more of this. Anyone not reporting now, you will be held responsible and will go to the New Brigade. No question about it, no ifs or ands or buts. All crews will be responsible, the supervisors of all crews are to be notified immediately by security, they are responsible for the exact time of the reporting back to work of their people, or they\u00a0<\/em>will face the discipline of the entire democracy of this town forum.<\/p>\n

All\u00a0<\/em>people, coordinators, Ava and Joyce, Johnny [Moss Brown Jones], Charlie [Touchette], are to form committees \u2013 or the women, at least \u2013 to form committees with the head of security. Tim Jones Day\u2013 they are to head committees of defense of the revolution. People in every block, every cottage, every dormitory, so that we can be aware of these renegades of anarchism who have not died out to self-centeredness and ego-centricism that could cause us loss of production, pain and further strain on your father\u2019s health, who is only worried about the loss of this sister, and what it could mean, slow tortuous death in a jungle. My God Socialism, don\u2019t let this happen anymore. And immediately now, implement immediately now, do what I say. Get this done. Every supervisor of every department is immediately responsible to know where all of their workers are immediately and make reports (emphatic) the second anyone disappears. Thank you, and much love.<\/p>\n

This is to be repeated repeatedly throughout the entire day, and then it\u2019s to be taken by security to every\u2013 this very message. If you have to write it out from my tape, it should be taken to every work supervisor, all crews members of the crew, and indeed, to every committee member of the defense of the revolution, to all SAT security, so that this does not happen again. I could not afford this. I\u2019ve not had rest, no sleep for nearly five dates. Appreciably no sleep for nearly five days, and I cannot stand this, and I beg you, if you care about the one that loves more than anyone who\u2019s ever loved on earth, who has put his life on the line for every one of you, when they were coming for us in those days until we built up our protection, I demand that you show more love, and if you don\u2019t, if you in the security and coordination don\u2019t do it, then you\u00a0<\/em>are not thinking as you should of your leader and the protection of this community. Implement, carry out these plans immediately, and give these warnings to people immediately, that it is stupid to try to go through a jungle. It is stupid in Georgetown to try a escape, and anyone that\u2019s heard anything negative of any comment\u2013 negative behavior, anything questionable, report it to the radio office immediately, or you will be held responsible. Particularly now. We need it for those that are leaving at midnight for Joe\u2013\u00a0for Georgetown, so we can question them about the behavior, and if it is questionable beyond a degree, they won\u2019t go this time until they\u2019ve proven themselves. It is for your\u00a0<\/em>security that we don\u2019t have to worry about trying to deal with such insane behavior. I thank you, and I love you. (tape edit)<\/p>\n

This time, we\u2019ve apprehended someone who has tried this kind of foolish maneuver, and always<\/em>\u2013 we\u2019ve been notified an hour and a half or two hours after they were late for work. This will be dealt with in the most severest fashion possible by the town forum democracy in the future. I want to remind you again, that there are there, within a half mile of the East House, s\u2013 quicksand. I\u2019da gone up to my head, hadn\u2019t been for a miracle. Stephan can verify. We were out there, scouting about. Now I can\u2019t imply to you what a tiger can do with one blow of his leg. He can\u2013 One blow<\/em>, and break your whole spine and neck. Not to mention, of course, he can eat you. Caiman, larger than crocodile, the most fierce in the world, can swallow you with a gulp. Spiders, all sorts that never come into Jonestown, and will not bother you if you are in work crew in the jungle under supervision. But here we were notified two and a half hours, found the person in the jungle, but it\u2019s a miracle. Two and a half hours after lunch to be notified. This is horrifying unconcern for the total community. Horrifying lack of sensitivity for the welfare of your leader, who has been nearly five\u00a0<\/em>days now without any\u00a0<\/em>goddamn sleep. This is stupid, ridiculous. I have to fight to defend our people that are trying to frame\u00a0<\/em>some of our people. Carol Stahl now faces some kind of a frame-up in the United States by Stoen. New maneuver, a new maneuver against Stoen a\u2013 against Carol Stahl, another worker. This is going on all the time. I have to fight these battles. I\u2019ve been reading encyclopedias of reports from Georgetown and San Francisco and Los Angeles. Fighting battles, reading letters, going through mail, answering it, you have no idea. I don\u2019t need this shit. And the one time in five days I thought would take something to relax again, here we face this kind of bullshit. So, all coordinators are immediately to get with security and we\u2019re to set up intensified\u2013 to further intensify the committee of the defense of the revolution, because the Foreign Minister said we should have tight\u00a0<\/em>security within. We can\u2019t be hurt, only from within. What could I\u2013 my health stood, someone being lost, languishing, dying in the jungle of thirst, for three, four, five days. She was in the jungle. My God, how idiotic. How stupid and how utterly idiotic. And then two people hearing her make reference to train in her mental state of confusion, and not only was she going to run away three days before. This, from now on, will be dealt with most severely by this town forum democracy.<\/p>\n

Again, I remind you, all security are to notify, not only through announcement of the P.A., some do not listen. You\u2019re to go to each person in each dorm and cottage tonight. We are to interview closely everyone getting on that boat. Anyone knowing anything negative in this entire Jonestown community, negative behavior, strange behavior, negative conversation, critical conversation, you need for the protection of your<\/em>self\u2013 I don\u2019t mind<\/em>. Anything\u2019s easier than loving a thousand people as intensely as I love\u00a0<\/em>you, with all my soul, and protect you. I don\u2019t give a goddamn<\/em>. Torture, jail, or death. That\u2019s easier than this, by a million light-years.<\/p>\n

So it\u2019s you\u00a0<\/em>that you\u2019re hurting when you don\u2019t report behavior. You\u2019re carrying over a mentality from capitalism that to think is contrary. It was<\/em>, when you were dealing with fascist law enforcement. But here you\u2019re dealing with law enforcement of the people. The people\u2019s security. SAT is the people\u2019s security to protect your well-being. No crime, no rape, no muggings. By God, think of Steiner Street in the Fillmore. Not only could you not grow any food, you\u2019da starved to death in the upcoming days of food shortages and economic fa\u2013 failure and nuclear war, but you could never\u2013 There was nothing you could grow, you\u2013 nothing could live, you couldn\u2019t protect yourself from crime, your children\u2019s castration, racism, muggings, rape, murder. We have protection here.<\/p>\n

And when you report something, it is the honorable duty, and I cannot get that through, and I say to every teacher to get that through to the students now, that is what was practiced by the great socialist people in Cuba and throughout Ethiopia and Nigeria, that\u2019s how they found out what [Jimmy] Carter was trying to do to destroy that whole black nation. By a committee of the defense of the revolution in the Hilton\u2013 the\u2013 the Nigerian Hilton, where they reported what he was doing with meeting with high-level bankers and oil interest people. Elevator people worked for the committee of defense of revolution. Su\u2013 uh, the waiters and waitresses. You must have some responsibility to grow up.<\/p>\n

And a lot of education must be done in each cottage. Every cottage supervisor, every cottage must have a supervisor immediately\u2013 every cottage must have a member of the committee of the defense of revolution report, every behavior that is strange or negative. All SAT must be much more alert than they are. All coordinators must immediately set up this machinery, that the supervisor is responsible to note where every one of their workers are, and so are the workers. It\u2019s a miracle that we found this person in the jungle. They can be lost, a tiger could\u2019ve gotten her, she\u2013 uh, down on her back, even before she got any distance, she was down on her back. So my dears, a tiger could\u2019ve gotten her, or a snake could\u2019ve gotten her, and not reported missing from her crew for one hour and a half. This has been the case, the last that tried to run away, there was three\u00a0<\/em>hours. And one other time, two\u00a0<\/em>hours. It doesn\u2019t work, you\u2019ve seen it does not work, you can\u2019t get through the jungle, the quicksand, the crocodiles, the snakes, the spiders, you cannot<\/em>, even if you penetrated, get out, if you got out to the road or\u00a0<\/em>the train, the authorities, the Guyana Defense Force, the head of all\u00a0<\/em>the army, the air force, the navy and the army is a personal friend\u00a0<\/em>who\u2019s come to our headquarters for dinner and gave up his seat for one of our patients and Dr. Schacht. And the police will report you back to us, bring you back, and if you got to Georgetown, which is of course ridiculous, only those leaving on the boat, there are now protections, security measures, there\u2019ll be people that are protected to defend and will defend with their lives you not doing anything to betray this revolution by trying to cause any difficulty, straying away or starting any type of thing counter-revolutionary. Not only that, the Embassy, knowing they participated, they\u2019re embarrassed in someone who had stolen money from us, will report to us and give us a chance to confront, and we\u2019re always at the airport and can do anything we choose if we choose. We consider you as a vital security risk to the entire survival of Jonestown freedom. Now take this to heart now. Take it to heart and consciousness now<\/em>. We demand that you do so. And may this be implemented immediately, carried out immediately by Ava, Joyce, and perhaps Marceline [Jones], your mother, your wonderful true, loyal mother, as well as Ava and Joyce have been faithful to their jobs and posts, and the head of security SAT, this is to be done now<\/em>. And I mean I\u2019m holding you responsible and all supervisors\u00a0 of every department responsible, that we have no more bullshit like this. This person was in the jungle, and could have been eaten alive or b\u2013 bitten by a snake that can make an open sore, you look at the pictures in the medical library, where legs are nothing but m\u2013 open massively because of snake bites. Some die paralyzed, some die blinded, some die slowly, there\u2019re all kinds of things. And quicksand<\/em>. You don\u2019t know what the hell you\u2019re doing. If you got somebody, you thought would pay you across the way, to the border of Venezuela, we have a accident just in the\u2013 purposeful murder just a few weeks ago, where one of the guides cut the arm off of the person to get a ring or a watch. Stupid<\/em>, you are stupid<\/em>. And we cannot stand this strain on our efforts, our loss of production and the pain in my heart worrying about my children. I cannot live this way. And you want me to survive to serve you, you surely need me, when you get all the people here and the systems fall, you\u2019re away from racist genocide, concentrations camps and the hate, the police brutality USA, and nuclear war, then you will have all the freedom. Now\u00a0<\/em>you have freedom, entertainment, the best movies, best culture, best music, best food, all this 30 miles around our territory, free territory of s\u2013 Jonestown socialism, Christ socialism. Get wise. Now I\u2013 I demand that these rules be put into practice immediately. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

(Part II)<\/strong><\/p>\n

Man:\u00a0<\/strong>There. (typing in background) Hello there. Hello there.<\/p>\n

(Music for several seconds) (Radio static) (Music)<\/p>\n

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