{"id":85466,"date":"2019-01-03T16:56:50","date_gmt":"2019-01-04T00:56:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=85466"},"modified":"2020-04-21T12:17:07","modified_gmt":"2020-04-21T19:17:07","slug":"q371-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/jonestown.sdsu.edu\/?page_id=85466","title":{"rendered":"Q371 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013in clear defiance to USA demands that the trial of Alex Ginzburg, who the USA calls a mere dissident and the Soviet Union have charged him with high crimes, criminal acts of violence, and other crimes against the\u2013 of the\u2013 the government itself. He was sentenced to eight years in prison. One year will be in real\u2013 rehabilitation center in Siberia. The news media states that Alex Ginzburg had to be given medication during his trial because he became very ill. It\u2019s one of the severest sentences that\u2019s been handed down to a Soviet citizen in some time. [Natan] Sharansky, who has been accused of giving Soviet secrets to American newsmen because he was in a\u2013 a clear\u2013 I would s\u2013 a\u2013 a work capacity that required special clearance, he was a security person with classified information. The Soviet government has charged that he has given this information to American newsmen, and the Soviets will not recant on the matter, he may face life imprisonment, or, for the first time in several decades, death. The decision has not been handed down. USA\u2013 He\u2019s been found guilty, however.<\/p>\n

USA is ballyhooing\u2013 There\u2019s nothing in US news but this problem or this issue that they\u2019re making over what they call dissidents and what the Soviet Union call criminals. It sounds like a maniacal rage, just listening to them. The commentators are making quite an issue, and the US Congress, the Senate now has passed a resolution that the trials very well will affect the US policy in reference to the Soviet Union on all levels, including disarmament. When asked for comment, Secretary of State [Cyrus] Vance was reluctant to speak, if it would affect his talks that are going on presently with Foreign Minister [Andrei] Gromyko on Strategic Arm Limitation Talks, or SALT. It is being made a great issue. Perhaps this is an issue to placate the Jewish community of USA, the Jewish community of the world in one regard, while at the same time, Israelis are being accused of violating their own agreements and maintaining a belligerent stance. The State Department is accusing them of that, moreso, I gather, than the Congress. I have heard no specific attacks today on Israel by the Congress.<\/p>\n

The Organization for African Unity foreign ministers, who are meeting in Khartoum, 49 prominent foreign ministers of all the major African nations, have come down with a blistering indictment of Israel and a call for full African support of all the nations of the Organization for African Unity, and as I said, 49 foreign ministers are meeting in Khartoum in preparation for a summit meeting of all the leaders of Africa to be held next week. They make a total\u00a0<\/em>indictment of Israel, as being aggressor, militaristic, fascistic. They demand support be given by the Organization of African Unity for Egypt. Interestingly enough, even the northwest African nations that have been following USA bidding completely have joined in this unanimous indictment against Israel and the all-out call by the 49 foreign ministers of the leading African nations, the African continent, who are members of Organization for African Unity, OAU, have also demanded full\u00a0<\/em>support for the demands of the Palestinians, the Palestinian Liberation Organization.<\/p>\n

These are strange twists and turns that are going on, as of course, I gave you background last night that eventually, money will speak louder than any kind of commitment to six million Jews who are a small minority in USA population. The Arabs have the oil, and it\u2019s obvious that the USA is making no pressure on the foreign ministers of the nations that they still control, who are mere puppets of USA. They\u2019re making no demands upon them to uh, abstain even from the vote. On the other hand, they\u2019re crying aloud in a feverish tone about the Soviet mistreatment of Jews now. Today, more than even dissidents, it\u2019s Jews.<\/p>\n

But the Jews in Union of South Africa and the Zionist Federation join in the protest. Very little was said, however, about a murder, an assassination, of a student leader Emili [Lungile Tabalaza], who conveniently fell to his death from the fifth floor window of a police headquarters. The capitalist broadcasting stations have said nothing to indict South Africa about that, but are glorifying\u00a0<\/em>this racist state, the Union of South Africa, because the Jews in South Africa and the Zionist Federation, which strangely enough has headquarters in that racist nation, a horrifying thing that we see, Jewish people have moved some elements, the Zionist, to such a reactionary degree, that they would headquarter in the Union of South Africa, that actually maintain concentration camps for people of color, black, Indian and Asian.<\/p>\n

Anyway. There are medical experts, said the Voice of America, very briefly, studying the body of Emili, who they claim \u2013 South Africa claim \u2013 jumped\u00a0<\/em>to his death from the fifth floor. But the Voice of Sweden and the socialist bloc radio stations that I\u2019ve been able to pick up in a horrible schedule has now kept me up the second day without any time in bed at all. I was up all night, and left the radio (unintelligible word) the wee hour of the morning, at dawn. But what I can gather is that South Africa says he jumped from the fifth floor, the Voice of America said in a brief comment, because 90 percent of the USA news and all of her allies in the\u2013 in the imperialism, are talking about these two Soviet citizens, Zionists who are being mistreated by their standards. It\u2019s obvious that they\u2019re using them as a ruse, for some reason. Surely, USA is not insane enough to try to provoke a nuclear war, but there\u2019s a madness of new cold war terror, anti-c\u2013 socialist, anti-communist sentiments to the highest degree since McCarthyism, if not higher, when the Senate makes a special resolution with a vast majority saying that the outcome of the trials of these two will affect US policy on all levels with the Soviet Union, and the Soviet Union are obviously not bowing to it.<\/p>\n

All those who want to think about political strategy in reference to the news of yesterday, the economic problems that the s\u2013 USA is having, and uh, the problem it\u2019s having with its empire and its rather shaky alliances with the Arab rich nations and the Arab League, uh, use your mind and come up with any ideas, \u2018cause you\u2013 we\u2019d be interested to hear what you\u00a0<\/em>see is behind the scenes, in the paper that\u2019s due tonight. As you know, all must turn that in.<\/p>\n

Colonel\u2013 Colonel Mustafa [Ould] Salek appears to be the new head of the military civilian combom\u2013 combination government of Mauritania. Study the news, the tapes of yesterday, for background on Mauritania. Obviously, it is not decided by the Marxist elements of south\u2013 of northwest Africa whether this is indeed a government that will be opposed to the interests of the Polisario movement, which is the Marxist movement all over south\u2013 uh, northwest Africa, and Senegal and uh, Gambia and all of those areas around where there uh\u2013 is still USA and French domination. Because the Polisario has called for a temporary ceasefire, and the Mauritanian army has been commanded not to fire on the Polisarios. The new leader in the coup took ye\u2013 place yesterday, a very strikingly unexpected coup, in an army that was s\u2013 fought\u2013 thought to be very\u00a0<\/em>fascistic, obviously Colonel Mustafa Salek\u2013 Salek is moderate\u00a0<\/em>at\u2013 uh, going to take a moderate\u00a0<\/em>course of some sort, or the Polisario, which are revolutionary Marxist, would not call a temporary ceasefire. The colonel is also the new head of the Mau\u2013 Mauritanian government that removed the dictator [Moktar Ould] Daddah yesterday, the general, and aren\u2019t going to try him for high crimes against the people of Mauritania. He\u2019s also\u2013 Mauritania has now, the new government, offered to enter into negotiations with Morocco and Algeria, and Algeria is the main training center for the Polisario movement. They\u2019ve offered to enter into negotiations to bring about peace and an end to hostilities and some agreement as to what the future of northwest Africa will be. The Polisario movement is in\u00a0all\u00a0<\/em>of these puppet regimes fighting with unusual\u00a0<\/em>strength, and they are not having to call a ceasefire out of weakness<\/em>. So hopefully, something will be coming out the negotiations in that last bastion of US and French domination, the last real bastion of imperialist domination whi\u2013 which exist in northwest Africa with the exception of the central core in Zaire.<\/p>\n

The Basque nationalists are almost in a continual 24-hour state of rebellion. That\u2019s the northern part of Spain. They\u2019re clashing every hour with the police and elements of the army. The Basque nationalists are left and they are demanding secession, an independent state, like Quebec demanding to be an independent state from Canada, and the state of Quebec, French-speaking state, is also very pro-African, it\u2019s called for the strongest measures of support of Africa. (Pause)<\/p>\n

It\u2019s doubtful that US imperialism would ever allow Quebec to become a separate state. It\u2019s very doubtful at this\u00a0<\/em>point that they would allow the Basque\u00a0<\/em>to do so. But obviously the world is rocking and reeling, and USA cannot move\u00a0<\/em>as it formerly moved. Can\u2019t dispatch its soldiers because of the unwillingness of the US mood, an anti-hero spirit\u2019s being whipped up in USA to destroy and discredit everyone living or dead.<\/p>\n

There\u2019s a brief mention of some new smear against Dr. Martin Luther King<\/em>, who\u2019s now been dead ten long years, this last April, it\u2013 uh, slowly unraveling, and it may shed more light on the murder of the man, even. John H\u2013 Edgar Hoover, the late FBI director, called King the most notorious liar in the USA. But some new element is trying to discredit him from the FBI standpoint as well. Even though the news is a bit spotty about this, and it faded out, I could not make what was really taking place with Dr. King. But I caught the statement that some new light is slowly unraveling that will eventually shed more light on the involvement of the murder of King by the FBI. At the same time, it was mentioned that Mrs. [Coretta Scott] King had to speak in a tearful voice, the fact is that Martin was a human being, just like everybody else. Then the government has the nerve to know him better than I\u00a0<\/em>do. I lived\u00a0<\/em>with the man. So, (sighs) they seem to be wanting to destroy everyone living and dead that stood for any kind of decency or black people\u2019s rights<\/em>. Certainly not socialism, because that\u2013 neither one of them ever proclaimed. But USA has got its hands full.<\/p>\n

China and Vietnam is in the same state that it was yesterday. Border clashes. Chinese planes have pulled back. USA appealed to them yesterday that\u2013 not a moral appeal, but said that the problems of the Near East and Africa required that there be no tension spots in Southeast Asia, and apparently China, who had\u2013 who is finding some agreement with USA in foreign policy, though she takes her s\u2013 swipes at USA, along with the Soviet Union as being superpowers who are trying to divide the world between themselves. China\u2019s been on the side of USA in the for\u2013 terms of foreign policy uh, too many times recently. In Zaire, which no\u00a0<\/em>Communist Marxist could possibly rationalize supporting Mobutu [Sese Seko]. In spite of his black pride, he\u2019s a murderous and very imperialist-minded dictator. And also China was on the wrong side in Angola, supporting the reactionaries along with the CIA, they both supported the same reactionaries, trying to defeat the socialist revolution of the MPLA that was successful under Prime Minister [Agostinho] Neto of Angola. And they\u2019re on the wrong side in Somalia, trying to back the Somalians and uh\u2013 giving the aid along with the USA to Somalia to invade the back nation of Ethiopia. That invasion was turned back, and uh, Ethiopia has firm control over its territory now, the Ogaden and Eritrea. But China is indeed behaving very strangely. She refuses to participate, however, in the USA negoti\u2013 negotiations on nuclear disarmament. And so does France<\/em>. So you have nationalism to deal with, in spite of USA maintaining the real power domination, being the richest capitalist nation, and the controlling element of the Trilateral Commission, you still have some independence being exerted, or what appears\u00a0<\/em>to be independence, by the French imperialist in Europe and the Chinese in their renegade foreign policy, a betrayal to the beauty of their domestic communal or communistic practices. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Senator [Daniel Patrick] Moynihan has called for complete\u00a0<\/em>break of relations. He is a uh, high-ranking official in the former administration, he\u2019s now senator from New York, he\u2019s called for a complete break in relations over the treatment of the two Jews. That just come over the air, uh, that I just named, uh, uh, Ginzburg and Sharansky. Weird, weird business. You would think also with the USA\u2019s problems, they would be dealing with them. However, this may be the very reason they\u2019re making so much news about these two cases, they don\u2019t want people to look at some of the shenanigans that are going on in USA, and all the economic and racial problems that are existing internally in USA. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Idi Amin is threatening to bring\u2013 break diplomatic relations with Great Britain altogether. The news again was spotchy on that uh\u2013 I uh\u2013 spotty. I could not pick up. I\u2019ll try not to burden you with any more.<\/p>\n

The Irish Republican Army, the left of center nationalist element trying to free Ireland, has placed a bomb in which several British soldiers were injured and one killed, and some civilians, one killed and several injured.<\/p>\n

Mrs. [Rosalynn] Carter is going to make a sudden trip to Gambia and Senegal and the other African countries that are still uh, in open allegiance, apparently, to USA. This has been the suddenly-called trip, so there\u2019s real trouble brewing for US interests, apparently, in northwest Africa. It\u2019s interesting that she\u2019s going only to two fascist countries, the only two countries mentioned are fa\u2013 the fascist Senegal is one of the worst nations, where black people are treated more horribly than any nation probably left on the earth, outside of the Union of South Africa.<\/p>\n

I think that is the full coverage of news. Now I will free you from any further listening to my voice so you can ask for the things you need to hear, and you will uh, be able to go to the secretary of news, Vernetta Christian, or the librarian who writes it so effectively on the blackboard, uh, Teresa King, and find what you need.<\/p>\n

The last thing that I will mention that\u2019s coming over the air \u2013 and I must move, because I\u2019ve had no sleep for days, not even a chance\u00a0<\/em>to get any sleep, to take care of backed-up requests, if some of your requests have come in, please understand\u2013 be understanding, I am two or three days behind because of the emergency measures to protect our people in USA.<\/p>\n

Twenty-five persons have died mysteriously in prisons, says the Voice of Stockholm, Sweden, the social democracy of Sweden. Know where that is? It\u2019s one of the more honest social democracies\u2013 the\u00a0<\/em>most honest social democracy in the world. Twenty-five persons have died mysteriously at the hands of the police in unusual ways in the past month in South Africa, the regime that\u2019s upheld by USA monopoly capitalism entirely, now over a billion dollars this year has gone into Union of South Africa by US tax dollars that we can all feel very, very guilty over.<\/p>\n

The NAACP finally\u00a0<\/em>has got around in closing its convention to calling on divesture\u2013 calling for divesture of all US economic interest, but of course, it\u2019ll not happen, because USA needs the minerals of Africa, and they don\u2019t mind bleeding the poor black people who are living as virtual slaves. Some get no pay at all. They\u2019re living in concentration camps, and the ones that do, the wages are 21\u2013 21, 30 cents a day, a maximum of a dollar and a half. The white are paid 18 to 25 times minimally\u00a0<\/em>more than any black person in any capacity.<\/p>\n

News also mentioned that black people\u2019s wages are now well under half that of the white person\u2019s average wage. So US blacks are worse\u00a0<\/em>off today, in terms of education and jobs, said the news \u2013 and this was an admission of BBC\u00a0<\/em>\u2013\u00ad than they were in 1945. (Short laugh) That\u2019s bad news. Thirty-three years ago. They\u2019re worse off today than they were 33 years ago.<\/p>\n

Thus ends commentary for Wednesday\u2019s news. You can request what you like on television, you can give it to radio room, we will try to honor whatever is most popular with the people.<\/p>\n

Thank you and much love.<\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

Part II: <\/strong><\/p>\n

(Low voices)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, I didn\u2019t have anything to say.<\/p>\n

(unintelligible reply)<\/p>\n

Woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Oh, okay. But\u2013 Thanks, Dad.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>\u2013talk like that, you\u2019d like to work in agriculture, you want to adopt a child. We\u2013 we are not hard people, we\u2019re fair people. Thank you.<\/p>\n

(Pause)<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Mother. That\u2013 that\u2013 that\u2019s sick. Can\u2019t you be kind to other folk? Or are you just a hypocrite and show your hypocrisy to your leader? There\u2019re other nice people around here. I\u2019m not the only one. I know you don\u2019t want to admit that, \u2018cause if I\u2019m the only one, then you can say, (affects self-pitying voice) he\u2019s just God, I can\u2019t be like God.<\/p>\n

Woman 2: <\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>If somebody else gets nice, then you\u2019re in trouble, because you (unintelligible word), well, what you going to make them, uh, the archangel? Uh, you know. You gonna be\u2013 Is he gonna be m\u2013 Saint Mary, or is he going to be Saint Mary? You can\u2019t deal with other people\u2019s goodness, you see. (unintelligible word) You don\u2019t want to accept nobody\u2013 Un, nobody good but you, Father. I hear that, too. Nobody\u2019s honest but you, Father. What you\u2019re wantin\u2019 to say, is I\u2019m\u00a0<\/em>not honest, I don\u2019t want to see honesty in anybody else, so nobody\u2019s\u00a0<\/em>honest. And that\u2019s the good way to keep it, so you won\u2019t have to be honest.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong>\u00a0(Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Bullshit.<\/p>\n

Voice in crowd: <\/strong>\u00a0Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0There some other folk down through the years that\u2019ve died. I remember Patrice Lumumba, I remember Tri\u2013 Victor Jara. Come off that bullshit, honey. They weren\u2019t god. Um-hmm [Yes].<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong>\u00a0(Murmurs)<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>I know who want to identify with, but at least feel guilt while you\u2019re doing it. And he said honest statement, if he gets nasty with his guilt. There\u2019s some people having it that way.<\/p>\n

Male:\u00a0<\/strong>Part of\u2013 Part of my\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>People\u2019s life\u2013 Drag y\u2013 Drag your ass up to 1: 15 in the morning over this kind of shit. We\u2019re gonna cut\u00a0<\/em>this out and send some folk back so they can kill\u00a0<\/em>themselves back there.<\/p>\n

Crowd:<\/strong>\u00a0Calls and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>Out of my sight.<\/p>\n

Male 2: <\/strong>\u00a0You\u2019re there\u2013<\/p>\n

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