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(Editor’s notes<\/strong>:\u00a0This tape was transcribed by Georgiana Mamlakah. The\u00a0editors gratefully acknowledge her invaluable assistance.<\/p>\n

(The first two-thirds of this sermon also appear as Part 2 of Q 1053-1<\/a>.)<\/em><\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>And when I first married her, it was a tro\u2014 it was a cross to her. \u2018Cause I\u2019d stand up and speak against the racial injustice in their church, and got throwed out, and the poor woman, her father [Walter Baldwin] being the superintendent of the church, he\u2019d just like to tear her up. She believed in\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0that Skygod, but now you heard her say Wednesday night, he healed me when no one could heal me. He raise me up. Now she works every day. Three hundred miles she drives\u00a0every<\/em>\u00a0day, and comes to you every Sunday, tonight\u2014\u00a0today, she\u2019s in Los Angeles. When her back was\u00a0severed<\/em>\u00a0from a spinal deterioration,\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0just a spinal ailment, but wasting away of the spine. Now she [is] so strong that she carried a black woman\u00a0out<\/em>\u00a0of a cheap convalescent hospital that was mistreating her. And she put her over her shoulders, because the bedsores were so bad, that if she would carry her this way, the skin woulda fallen off her body. And she had that much strength, as you know, to carry her out and save her. And it\u00a0really<\/em>\u00a0shows a lack of concern, when she drives 300 miles a day and is an\u00a0inspector<\/em>\u00a0of hospitals, she makes more money in this church than any woman, and puts it back into the work, and then comes every weekend, and it\u2019s a shame when you\u2019re not with me in Los Angeles. And if you\u2019re not here, it\u2019s a shame.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0You won\u2019t find any woman any better than that woman. Adopted our children\u2014 when our black baby [James Jones Jr.] was first adopted, they spit on her, spit on the baby, fought her, stoned her, she held her head up high, and never once wavered, not an inch, as Mother [Marceline] LeTourneau and Sister Edith Cordell and some of the old-timers can say, she went through the battle of Ku Klux Klan territory, and she never\u00a0once<\/em>\u00a0bowed her head. She held it up high. And it\u2019s a shame that\u00a0you<\/em>\u00a0won\u2019t give her the\u00a0respect<\/em>\u00a0that you give me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Time oughta come, if you don\u2019t\u00a0go<\/em>\u00a0with us to Los Angeles. We ought to always try to have these big rallies, she wants it that way, so each place that I\u2019m present, there\u2019s a large number, that shows the enemy that we are together, but it also shows the enemy we\u2019re not together when you that don\u2019t go, stay at home and don\u2019t get here and support her. And the time oughta come\u2014 you\u2014 you go one place or the other, if you want all the blessings of this house.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0But through all that, her Methodist father superintendent has given up God in the sky. If I could convince him that there was no Skygod\u2014 Even though he\u2019s got a long way to go to get over material things, he won\u2019t go to church. He got the conviction that God is within. The only God there is, is within. (Pause) I would not eliminate God from the scene, in the terms of an abstract idea, if it was not that wherever God is worshipped blindly and superstitiously, freedom\u2019s light goes out. Fascism took over Italy, the center, the seat of the Catholic Church. Communism and fascism threatening \u2014 fascism particularly \u2014 threatening to take Italy again, the\u00a0seat<\/em>\u00a0of the Catholic Church. Chile, stronghold of Pentacostalists, the bloodiest dictatorship tonight, where people are being tortured, women are being g\u2014 given the most unmentionable tortures\u2014 (Pause) You ought to read the papers to see what\u2019s happening to them. (Pause) Anyone that disagrees. Strong religious c\u2014 center in South Korea\u2014 Spoke of a woman minister the other day in South Korea that they ran the\u00a0spike<\/em>\u00a0into her vagina, and the men ran it back and forth. That goes on\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0the time. That device was on this very boat that docked out here in our harbor, and yet the prostitutes were the only ones that concerned themselves about liberty enough to get out and protest the presence of that\u00a0heinous<\/em>\u00a0boat. (Pause) America is dying because it\u2019s lost its love of liberty. If one person loses their liberty, then\u00a0everyone<\/em>\u00a0is in danger. I say again, it ought to be on our walls, and I\u2019ve asked before for it to be so and it\u2019s not there yet. The evangelist [Martin] Niemoller (phonetic) in Germany, when the Communists were taken away, he said,\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0didn\u2019t worry about that. I always had no use for Communists, \u2018cause they didn\u2019t believe in God. They came after the\u00a0Jews<\/em>, he said, I didn\u2019t worry much about\u00a0that<\/em>, because the Jews, we had always been taught, had been responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. Said they came after the trade unions and he said, I had a good job as a pastor, I didn\u2019t have to worry about that. So I didn\u2019t do anything. They came after the\u00a0Catholic<\/em>\u00a0workers finally, he said, I always had been taught that the Catholic Church was a great\u00a0whore<\/em>, and I did nothing about that. He said then finally, I said one little thing wrong, and [Adolf] Hitler\u2019s stormtroopers came after me. And there was nobody left to speak out for me. (Pause) [You] Say, I am not interested in protecting Communist. You better be. For when a Communist lo\u2014\u00a0loses their right to speak, it may be the John Bircher next day. (Pause) This house of America must be free for\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0to express themselves non-violently, or we\u2019re in trouble.<\/p>\n

And I can give you account after account that I\u2019ve already given you, of people that are in prison today for nothing more than their political ideas. (Voice rises) It\u2019s interesting to note \u2014\u00a0(Voice falls) and I will close with this \u2014 (Pause) the man that was arrested, that invented Parkinson\u2019s law, Doctor [C. Northcote] Parkinson, he was arrested last week, and nobody did anything about it. His secretary\u2019s a Christian Scientist. I called up and offered my help, she said, no one\u2019s called. [She] Said, he feels like committing suicide. He was in his office at the time they accused him of a crime. It was all over your paper, that Doctor Parkinson, the head of the National\u2014 or the National Chairman of the Republican Party, was arrested, supposedly having his mouth on the genitalia on the\u2014 the penile organ of an officer. A homosexual. His reputation is ruined. And you went right on about your life. Did you know that just a week before, he had protested [Nelson] Rockefeller\u2019s appointment [nomination to Vice-Presidency], and said he would have no more to do with the Republican Party? (Pause) [You] Say, you mean that they do that? Do you mean they\u00a0do<\/em>\u00a0it? They have done it to so many of my people, (stumbles over words), it\u2019s so much a practice, I\u2019ve had to get them out, and the only way, they would have smeared us, we told them that if you do this to any of our people, we\u2019ll protest like we did that\u00a0Examiner<\/em>\u00a0when that man [Lester Kinsolving] wanted to crush us, and we marched till they fired him. (Pause) You\u2019ve\u00a0got<\/em>\u00a0to stand\u00a0up<\/em>\u00a0for liberty.\u00a0Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty<\/em>. And if you won\u2019t stand up for it, you\u2019ll\u00a0lose<\/em>\u00a0it. And a lot of people in this room don\u2019t have enough concern about liberty, unless it\u2019s yours. And if it\u2019s\u00a0your<\/em>\u00a0liberty that you\u2019re concerned about, it\u2019ll be too late when they come for you. Because all those that stood for liberty will be gone. (Pause) That\u2019s why\u2014 people wonder why we get our money in support of a John Bircher who\u2019s been arrested for practicing laetrile remedy for cancer? We\u2019re concerned when\u00a0anyone<\/em>\u00a0loses their liberty. That\u2019s why we\u2019re concerned when Miss [Angela] Davis was pounded and persecuted, because\u00a0anyone\u2019s<\/em>\u00a0liberty is our liberty. You can\u2019t separate it. Freedom of speech means freedom for\u00a0all<\/em>, or freedom for none. And you better protect it with all your heart, your mind and your soul. (Pause) Any last, concluding remark before we proceed into the healing aspects of the service.<\/p>\n

[The] Thing that concerns me gravely about this church is, that many of you would\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0be here, if it were not for healings. (Pause) Make it a\u2014\u00a0a question about something of a uh, civil liberatarian or question concerning freedom or justice or something that is not proper in\u2014 in our co\u2014 compassionate work uh, where we could improve it. Let\u2019s don\u2019t get off on a\u00a0vision<\/em>\u00a0or a dream or delusion, illusion or something like that, because I\u2019m telling you, I\u2019ve had enough of it. I\u2019ve had enough of it, till I can hardly stand it anymore.\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0don\u2019t know why people\u2014 I know the meeting\u2019s a little long, I hope all of you got excusable reasons for leaving. We\u2019ve been (unintelligible word) normally until I got back from the Promised Land weeks, we got out at 2:30, and we will continue that again, but we\u2019ve got to get an\u00a0understanding<\/em>\u00a0of where we are. I want you to\u00a0understand<\/em>\u00a0me. I\u2019m telling you, that when two out of three babies go to bed hungry, I worship nothing in the sky. You say, a\u00a0devil<\/em>\u00a0was made by God, and he is the wa\u2014\u00a0reason that all the people are sick. Well,\u00a0why<\/em>\u00a0did the\u00a0God<\/em>\u00a0that was omniscient, omnipotent, omniluscent, omnipresent, with\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0that intelligence, why did he\u00a0make<\/em>\u00a0a devil? (Pause) (Calmer voice) Makes no sense.\u00a0And then the most beautiful angel turned out to be the devil that led a third of his angels astray.\u00a0And the Bible itself has\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0sorts of contradictions. All you have to do is pick up the book [The Letter Killeth<\/em><\/a>] that I\u2019ve given to you freely, and you can read it. Thomas Paine told you about it, the founder of this country, he warned people about superstitions. Worshipping Bibles. He said, \u201cYou won\u2019t love liberty, if you worship unknown gods.\u201d\u00a0Paul<\/em>\u00a0told you not to worship an unknown god.\u00a0Paul himself<\/em>\u00a0said don\u2019t worship an unknown god.\u00a0(Pause) My contention is, when people are caught up in religion, they\u2019ll always say, like I just mentioned about the torturing, just mentioned about the one that was in jail that we helped that was being persecuted, the Lord will take care of it. If they are meant to be free, the\u00a0Lord<\/em>\u00a0will free them. (Emphatic) That is the cheapest excuse I ever heard, from a yellow-bellied coward.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s not in the Bible, but what did your grandparents tell you: God helps those that help themselves. Why does everyone in every church quote that? And it\u2019s [in] no Bible on earth. God helps those that helps themselves. What it\u00a0really<\/em>\u00a0means, if you get any help, you\u2019ll help yourself.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Voice starts to rise) Because the people that get the shaft all the time\u2014 Before you knew me\u2014 We\u2019ve had no deaths of anyone in my presence that hasn\u2019t been resurrected. But how many of you lost a child before you knew me? (Pause) You know the pain of losing a child. Look at the hands in this room. (Pause) Now, if God loved us and wanted to share something with us, why did all these mothers and fathers lose their children before they were grown? How many here lost your mother before you were grown up? (Pause) My goodness. How many lost your father before you were grown up? (Pause) You know the hell of that? Some of us do. Eating mush and greens? Some of the people I\u2019ve healed, the sister I healed, raised from the dead, paid her way back from where she was in a hospital that wouldn\u2019t receive her in Chicago because she was black. She\u2019d been a slave, treated like a dog all of her life. Sister here that I raised that was paralyzed, lost all of her children, one after another, in the cotton fields, because they wouldn\u2019t let her take time, they\u2019d drop out like\u2014 There she is. She was paralyzed, and I healed her, from a stroke. All of her babies dropped in the cotton fields. Nobody would even give her time or mercy. Oh, that\u2019s only two. I could tell you some stories here that would break your hearts. Your stories. You\u2019ve all got them. (Voice rises)\u00a0Why do you do, as Paul said, why are you so superstitious, that you worship an unknown God? \u00a0(Voice moderates)\u00a0Jesus said, worship what you see. Ye all are gods, these things shall you do and greater, because I go to the Father, or I return into life or into energy.\u00a0(Pause) [He] Said, when you\u2019ve seen me, you\u2019ve seen the only god there is. And that\u2019s the truth today as it was yesterday. (Voice rises) Someone will stand here and say, well, how did something come out of nothing? I don\u2019t care how something came out of nothing. I know that buzzard feces comes out of a buzzard, but I\u2019m not huntin\u2019 for a buzzard.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Moderates) The buzzards that sit around our property, and used to bother our children, now I\u2019ll tell\u2014 I\u2019ll say that in closing. That will be it. Finally. That will\u00a0be<\/em>\u00a0the truth. (Pause) We have no animals even die in our place, it\u2019s a miraculous sort of thing, life, energy, purpose, is a\u00a0remarkable<\/em>therapy. Even the old goat, must be 20 years old, geese, twelve, fifteen years of age, don\u2019t die. They just keep on living. The old buzzards used to fly over and wait and watch, and they quit flying over all of our church property. But there was one that was more patient than others. He set back at the\u00a0end<\/em>\u00a0of the property on the railroad trestle, looking out, hoping something finally would die in that Jones family. And the children once said, Father, how did we get here (Pause) if there wasn\u2019t a god? I said, well, I could explain to you some things about combustion and energy and the perpetuality of energy and the process of chemical reactions that would explain it on a scientific level, but I\u2019m not saying there wa\u2014 that there isn\u2019t something there that\u00a0caused<\/em>\u00a0it\u2014 us to be here. But I want to show you this buzzard here, out by the trestle, and I want you to look down beneath, where the buzzard sets. So I took our children, and I showed them the b\u2014 this big pile. And one of them said, Father, that looks like the world that you see, on a planet in the school room, or as you see it from a picture on the TV from outer space. I said, (hushed tone) that\u2019s just it. (Normal tone) And I said, who put it there? A buzzard. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Now, I know in Scientology who we\u2014 we wer\u2014 we worked for human rights, they say we came from an outer\u2014\u00a0a\u2014\u00a0another\u00a0planet<\/em>, higher developed planet, and that we got lost. (Pause) And they we are finally going to get ourselves back to that planet. Well, if that planet\u2019s so highly evolved, I say\u00a0it<\/em>\u00a0should come down here and do something about this mess. (Pause) Anybody\u2019s got power and won\u2019t use it, with the kind of suffering\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0see every day, coming through here, and the pain,\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0to mention the animal pain. As Brother [Archie] Ijames told you, the little broken dogs that I healed, and got up and run away healed, but how many I don\u2019t see. \u2018Cause if you come to me, I have the most unusual power I know of. Most unusual power, when people don\u2019t die, when people that\u2014\u00a0not one of our people that have had a stroke that has not been healed. Again, think on that. I\u2019ve disturbed some of your religious minds. How many in this room had a stroke that I healed you? (Pause) How many had\u00a0cancer<\/em>, and I healed you? (Pause) How many have seen me raise the dead, not once, but hundreds of times? (Pause) Kidney and bladder trouble, and I healed it? How many have I given the prophecy to that saved you and your loved ones, not once, but hundreds of times? How many in this room today, and there\u2019re many downstairs, have been\u00a0raised<\/em>\u00a0from the dead? Remember the socialist spirit of non-violence. (Pause) Have been raised from the dead, some three times. Stand up. Look at them. (Pause) Balcony, here, in the uh, choir, raised from the dead. This lady was dead for\u00a0three<\/em>hours, right there. You know, in the churches you used to go, she couldn\u2019t go to a black church, because they made fun of her, because she has a little scar on her face. (Pause) They told her she wasn\u2019t welcome, didn\u2019t make her feel welcome. I wouldn\u2019t even notice the little scar, she\u2019s so beautiful. She takes care of one sister, night and day. She\u2019s\u00a0so<\/em>\u00a0beautiful, you\u2019re the most beautiful woman I\u2019ve ever looked at. You radiate beauty.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0What I\u2019ve said is hard to bear, and I hoped that I will not have to say it. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve said, be careful who you bring. Be careful who you bring. Only one white sister got in this church today, because every white person, fifteen of them, said they did not care what happened to black people, if it came to a choice and black people were annihilated, they wouldn\u2019t do anything. So there\u2019s only one white woman in this church today as a guest, because she\u2019s adopted children. And that shows to me that she has love. Anyone who will adopt children, instead of bringing babies into the world\u2014 That\u2019s why I never had any use for the Skygod. I adopted eight children [six known: Stephanie Jones (died in 1959); Suzanne Jones; Agnes Paulette Jones; James Warren Jones, Jr.; Lew Eric Jones; Timothy Glenn Tupper Jones], children that were brought into earth. I know my wife\u2019s needs, so we had a child [Stephan Jones], but I did not wish to do that, \u2018cause I know how painful life is. It\u2019s fraught with pain. That\u2019s why I adopted\u00a0legally<\/em>\u00a0eight. And I think anyone in this room that has adopted children is higher than that unknown Skygod that you worship, because Billy Graham and all the preachers say,\u00a0he<\/em>\u00a0made people because he was lonely. If\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0had been up there in the darkness of space, see hurricanes and famines that promises to wipe out at least\u00a0half<\/em>\u00a0the human race by the year 2000,\u00a0nuclear hell<\/em>\u00a0that could leave only 20 million alive after 30 minutes, if the bomb were to drop in a milli\u2014\u00a0just this minute. Look out over the hell of hunger, disease, and as my wife, who went to a seminar, they\u2019re not telling you, whole doctors conference, bubonic plague is running wild all over every area of the world except China and America and Russia. It\u2019s even in places in Europe, in lower Europe, but it\u2019s running\u00a0rampant<\/em>\u00a0through Africa, running\u00a0rampant<\/em>\u00a0through Asia. It kills in the most horrible way. (Pause) You say, there\u2019s a god sitting up there that\u2019s got all power. (Cries out) Then he ought to use it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Ministerial tone) And if he\u2019s all-wise and all-intelligent, he shouldn\u2019t have made a devil that could create this kind of hell. Then if he has created a devil that it can make this kind of hell, the devil has now out-won the battle, has been his match, and the devil is the victor, and God is defeated. You used to\u00a0laugh<\/em>, when they said out there, that God was dead. The world is saying it, the colleges are saying that God is dead. We don\u2019t have to say it, because there\u2019s a\u00a0savior<\/em>\u00a0in our midst. We know that there\u2019s a living hope in our midst.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0But I hope you\u2019ll be more sympathetic for those dear hearts outside that say, (Voice lowers) God is dead. (Pause) God is dead. If he ever was alive. That God of the unknown variety is dead. (Pause) (Normal tone) I remember the times that you used to worship that unknown God. You never would do anything for the cause of justice. Some of you that now have adopted children, you never adopted them then.\u00a0You quote that silly scripture, the\u00a0poor<\/em>\u00a0will be with you always, and it isn\u2019t even in the original Bible.\u00a0[You] Say, well, if children are there\u2014\u00a0we had a man last night, he\u2019s a very ignorant man, though he was a lawyer, worshipping some guru. [He] Said, well, if the people are starving, they\u2019re meant to be, because of their karma, their reincarnation. (Pause) That\u2019s what religion does to people. That\u2019s why there should be, for a moment, as the good John Birch leader said, he said he wished that everybody for a moment would wake up to what I\u2019d said, (Pause) just for a moment, think that there\u2019s no God. He said then maybe we might do something to help ourselves. Otherwise, some of you will sit right here\u2014\u00a0You say you don\u2019t believe, uh, in God, but you really do. You substituted your Skygod in me. (Pause) Now, if Father was a Skygod, he would eliminate all poverty. I\u2019m amazed that I have as much power as I do, with people not paying any attention to me. I\u2019m amazed that every person that\u2019s ever had a stroke in all of my churches have been healed, because people don\u2019t listen to me, and people, very few of them, know me. But don\u2019t you\u00a0ever<\/em>\u00a0insult me by calling me your creator Skygod. I am a savior, because I save everybody that comes to me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0But don\u2019t call me your creator Skygod. I would rather you call me the devil, because he had the sense to rebel. (Pause) He had the good sense to rebel. I mean the myth. I love that story, and I wish it were on our walls, but we have so many new guests today, I must relate it again, and I\u2019m tired of speaking. I hope we can get to the place where we can get our crew down to the number and work for freedom and quit trying to have to do this, because it\u2019s too hard. \u2018Cause I\u2014\u00a0if you think I enjoy speaking, I enjoy it\u00a0no<\/em>\u00a0more than some of you enjoy having to sit here and listen to it. But some people are\u00a0new<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0babes<\/em>\u00a0in this. Someone met that devil, and said, why, devil, did you leave heaven? You, the most beautiful angel. [He] Said, don\u2019t bother me with that question. He said, it\u2019s\u00a0simple<\/em>, if you\u2019ve got any understanding. And you know the story. [He] Said, well, I\u2019ll show you. The guy kept dogging him, he said I\u2019ll\u00a0show<\/em>\u00a0you why I left heaven. (Pause) (Unintelligible instructions away from mike) (Voice comes from some distance from mike) Now. You run around here. You want to know why I got tired of heaven?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong>\u00a0Hallelujah! Halle\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0You\u2014 you say Hallelujah?<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong>\u00a0Hallelujah!<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0You say, Praise God.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong>\u00a0Praise God.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Thank you, Father.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong>\u00a0Hell, I\u2019m tired.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s just exactly what happened to me.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Cheers and laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Mark Twain. Why is it that they believe that their Bible and their religion is so pu\u2014 pure, that they wouldn\u2019t let Mark Twain, the greatest writer, who was a great conservative, why would they not let his writings,\u00a0Letters from the Earth<\/em>, free for\u2014 until he died. Sixty years he was dead before they would let him\u2014 the people see his books that show the lies that are in the Bible. Go home and read Mark Twain,\u00a0Letters from the Earth<\/em>.\u00a0Why<\/em>\u00a0is it that they hid them from us? People said, oh the Bible\u2019s true. Oh, they put all things in there to make you afraid to doubt it. Say if you take one jot or kittle from it, you\u2019ll lose your life. Yet it does not tell the truth, my friend. It does not tell the truth.\u00a0[It] Said Adam and Eve was the first man and the first woman, and that\u2019s why we have women subjected as they are. Man was made carefully, but the woman only was a rib. And the woman started slaving and waiting upon the man immediately, she goes and gets an apple. God meets her and tells her, don\u2019t go and eat of the knowledge\u2014\u00a0of Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, because if you do\u2014 the day you do, you\u2019ll die. The devil said, don\u2019t listen to that guy. Said he don\u2019t want you to eat of that tree, because if you eat of that tree, your eyes will get open and you\u2019ll be like him. (Pause) Well, if she\u00a0hadn\u2019t<\/em>eaten of the Knowledge of Tree of Good and Evil, if you haven\u2019t known good, the right or wrong, or what\u2019s good or what\u2019s evil, you wouldn\u2019t be able to be\u00a0judged<\/em>. (Pause) You gotta know it\u2019s wrong to pick apples. Child shouldn\u2019t be spanked if he goes out and picks an apple, unless the mother\u2019s told him that the apple doesn\u2019t belong to him. So that was like spanking a child for eating an apple without being told it was wrong, to go and pick an apple off of somebody else\u2019s apple tree. She would have to eat the apple to get knowledge of right and wrong. (Dismissive) Oh, such a stupid story. Such a stupid book. (Pause) (Scornful) Well, she went and ate the apple, (laughs) she went home\u2014\u00a0Her eyes got opened all right. They had two children. The devil told the truth, and the God lied. Then the story\u2014\u00a0You don\u2019t have to go any further than the first pages of it, till it becomes idiotic. Cain kills\u2014 God messed up with his angels, he couldn\u2019t make perfect angels, so\u2014\u00a0He couldn\u2019t even make perfect humans. \u2018Cause then Cain kills Abel, hit him with the jawbone or something, whatever. That\u2019s not in the book, but I\u2014 I don\u2019t want to get silly. (Voice rises) Cain kills Abel, his own brother. (Pause) But then, now, we\u2019ve got the strangest set of circumstances. Adam and Eve are the first two, the only two\u2014 only two. (Unintelligible exclamation). He didn\u2019t make three. He made two. (Pause) Please don\u2019t be looking around here, you\u2019re getting people distracted. (Pause) Made only two. Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve has two. Now, I\u2019m\u2014 now I\u2019m rather stupid in mathematics, but I know two and two makes four. (Pause) Then minus one, we got killed with the jawbone of an ass, makes three. (Pause) So you got Cain and Abel and Eve (stumbles over words)\u2014 You got Cain, Adam and Eve left. Yet the Bible can make people believe anything, and they do it. Cain goes over to the Land of Nod, and gets him a wife. Where in Hades did she come from?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Moderates) And, that\u2019s only the beginning.\u00a0The whole book, the New Testament\u2014 This is the thing that will lead us back into slavery. It says, \u201cSlaves, obey your masters.\u201d\u00a0It\u2019s in the\u2014 in the second chapters, the New Testaments\u2014\u00a0Even the ancestry of Jesus is wrong.\u00a0That\u2019s why you have to have a living oracle, someone to speak the truth\u2014 speak the truth for yourself. Say, I know as much truth as you do. Fine. If you do, go home. But you still better come back. Because a group must stand together. It takes group action. Reader\u2019s Digest said it, Psychology Today said it, unless people get together in a group and stand up for each other, they\u2019ll be rolled over by the oppressive forces that are taking away liberty. But I don\u2019t know anyone else that has raised as many dead people as I have. How many have I\u2014 of your loved ones have I gotten out of jail again? How many have loved ones I\u2019ve gotten out of jail? (Pause) Unless you can do that, you better stick with the old man up here, \u2018cause this old man didn\u2019t create you because he was lonely, he found you by that other sucker that created you, because he was lonely, and he\u2019s been saving you from that mess that that other fellow created, and he will continue to save you, (tape edit?) could do what I would love to do for you, I\u2019d give you peace, so you\u2019d never have to have any more feeling of this old earth and its pain. (Pause) Shift yourself. (Clears throat) (Pause) I did not get to the question over there, I\u2019m sorry. What was the question? (Pause) Shh.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Father, from what I observed yesterday morning, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0What you heard yesterday morning?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0What I observed yesterday morning, I mean, ah, last evening, I am perfectly willing to remain where I am, and win them over for Christ. It was beautiful this morning, Father. We all sat at the breakfast table, and they started singing, \u201cSomewhere Hallelujah, Somewhere,\u201d and glory, you\u2019ll find me listening and working for my name. And Father, I am willing\u2014 It is not\u2014\u00a0She is willing\u2014 I didn\u2019t\u2014 I repent from what\u2014\u00a0for what I said, I do.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, it\u2014 it\u2014 it\u2019s good. Uh\u2014 I always protect a person\u2019s reputation, and that\u2019s why I spoke it last night. When I saw the sister, uh\u2014\u00a0We don\u2019t want to impute someone of being uh, crooked. (Pause) That\u2019s a very hard charge to get down, to lay down. And that\u2019s good of you to acknowledge that uh, the erroneousness of it. You uh\u2014 I\u2019m sure you ask her of\u2014\u00a0or your money like you wish to do, and she\u2019ll give you her hum\u2014 you\u2019ll uh, you\u2019ll get your money.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, she said she would give it to me. And Father\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones<\/strong>: Of course she will.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0One ot\u2014 one other thing I wanted to mention, she belongs to the Inter\u2014 the Na\u2014\u00a0Interdenominational Temple. And after their meetings, they uh, have a banquet. And Father, she had\u2014 (Clears throat) She had a bucket \u2014 uh, just a minute \u2014 she had a bucket this\u2014 this wide of chitterlings to carry to her bre\u2014 her banquet. She had uh, uh, uh, three bags of new beautiful potatoes to carry to her banquet.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Mmm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman<\/strong>: I thought, Father, of the\u2014 of the quarts of\u2014 of food our family bring here. It is something to consider. In other words, it is a disgrace.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, let\u2019s see now. Uh, if we\u2019re going to glorify another interdenominational temple, you find out if that interdo\u2014\u00a0denominational temple has a Promised Land with 27,000 acres, a boat, twelve Greyhound buses, the pastor who won\u2019t own any car, or take any anniversaries or any birthdays, or the pastor doesn\u2019t take any pastor\u2019s wife teas, pastor appreciation. We have lovely temples with housing in, and\u00a0those that can\u2019t pay, don\u2019t have to pay. Several senior citizen homes, several convalescent homes, a catfish pond filled with catfish, in case there\u2019s just a depression here, and if there is a dictatorial takeover, we have a place beautifully in the uh, jungles of South America with all the food we ever need growing even wild, and not to count the food we planted, I\u2019ll bet you my life, my eyetooth, that that interdenominational church does not have those things, for if it did, I would close this one up, and we\u2019d join it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0(Too soft for first sentence) \u2014don\u2019t pay for our meals, out of all of that she\u2019s donated, still, they don\u2019t pay for their meals.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Who don\u2019t pay for their meal?<\/p>\n

Elderly woman<\/strong>: Uh\u2014 uh, the banquet that she uh, asked me to go to, to\u00a0her<\/em>\u00a0church this morning, and I said, well, I put nothing against my\u2014\u00a0uh, my father and\u00a0my<\/em>\u00a0family, and\u00a0still<\/em>, the\u2014 the uh, banquet, she said, af\u2014 they served after the\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0I just told you that no one should supervise your money. Don\u2019t call them a crook, though, until you\u2019ve asked them for the money, say you want your money back, and you should get your money back, \u2018cause no one else should supervise $2000 of your money. That should be\u00a0your<\/em>\u00a0money, and you don\u2019t need anybody to supervise her. You\u2014 You not\u2014 You\u2019re not a person in a zoo.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, she said she would give it to me tomorrow.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s right. Then, get it tomorrow. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0(too soft) \u2014she said she would pay her commi\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019m glad she\u2019s taking chitterlings over to the interdenominational meeting, and I believe she\u2019s not a crooked woman. I\u2019d\u2014 I believe she\u2019s a\u00a0deluded<\/em>\u00a0woman to be going to any other church like that, when this church is available\u00a0here<\/em>. But uh, now\u2014 I don\u2019t want people\u2019s uh, re\u2014\u00a0honesty imputed when it\u2019s not uh,\u00a0so<\/em>, you know. We\u2014\u00a0And it\u2019s good of you to correct that matter. Now, if she doesn\u2019t give you the money back, that\u2019d be\u00a0different<\/em>. Then the\u2014 we could talk about dishonesty, but let\u2019s first get them\u2014\u00a0ask them\u2014\u00a0demand your money back, then find out where you\u2014 where you stand.<\/p>\n

Woman too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, you\u2019re not making it very clear, dear. I\u2014 I didn\u2019t uh, quite understand that, so I beg your forgiveness.<\/p>\n

Elderly woman:<\/strong>\u00a0(Starts too soft) \u2014her granddaughters go to this same interdenominational temple.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, what\u2019s\u2014 what\u2019s all about this chitterlings that\u2019re in this interdenominational temple. The\u00a0first<\/em>\u00a0place, I ate too many chitterlings when I was young, uh\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light laughter.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Chitterlings may\u00a0taste<\/em>\u00a0good, but they\u2019re\u00a0bad<\/em>\u00a0for the health. And I have never thought\u2014 I\u2019ve never particularly wanted to go back to eating the genitalia of pork, uh, hog, I\u2014 I\u2019ve had enough hog marbles to\u00a0suit<\/em>\u00a0me for the rest of my\u00a0day<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light laughter and applause.<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong>\u00a0You ain\u2019t kidding. (Laughs) You\u2019re not kidding. You\u2019re not kidding. (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0So let them\u00a0eat<\/em>\u00a0the hog marbles if they choose. (Pause) But I think it\u2019s appropriate, you get up and clear this lady, because that uh\u2014 we don\u2019t want to put anyone in a\u2014 in the bad light of uh, being a crook, until they\u00a0prove<\/em>\u00a0they\u2019re a crook. (Pause) Yes, if you\u2014 (Pause) Quickly. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/strong>\u00a0Uh, last night, you said that uh, you were considering having us\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0They\u2019ve got you off.<\/p>\n

Woman 3:<\/strong>\u00a0Last night, you said that you were considering having a service, I thought I understood you to say, once a month. Does that mean\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, for guests. I think that the trouble we\u2019re running into, if we don\u2019t\u2014 \u2018course, we make it clear on the radio, (Pause) those that came in\u2014 fifteen of those people came in by\u00a0radio<\/em>. Now we make it\u00a0clear<\/em>\u2014\u00a0Now of course, [if]\u00a0you<\/em>\u00a0bring in someone, that\u2019s a matter of different\u2014 Be sure you determine their beliefs and their purposes, their practices, and their\u2014 their\u00a0ideals<\/em>. Someone first thought one sister wasn\u2019t (Pause) open to all the\u00a0ideals<\/em>, so I felt to check it out, and I found that she\u00a0was<\/em>, and passed on her coming. I don\u2019t let these things go bass\u2014 go by\u00a0easily<\/em>, and I think some people uh, need to\u00a0thoroughly<\/em>\u00a0look into matters, because the entire committee\u00a0missed<\/em>\u00a0on a sister this morning. (Pause) White sister setting back there. She\u2014 I can tell, she\u2019s a very open-minded\u00a0woman<\/em>. (Pause) They missed on her. And I can\u2014 sure you can understand [what] an ordeal it is for our committee when they meet people, who are very nice apparently, until you come up to the point of adopting a black child, or what would you do if black people were oppressed and put in\u00a0concentration camps<\/a>, and they say some stupid thing like they\u2019d\u00a0pray<\/em>. We\u00a0don\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0feel that that person will do us any good, or we will do\u00a0them<\/em>\u00a0any good. So we let them\u2014\u00a0we\u2014 we just ask them to return another time, and take their name, that we\u2019ll let them know of a later\u00a0meeting<\/em>. (Pause) But we\u2019re having\u00a0so<\/em>\u00a0many people come, and so many people turned away from the door\u2014 We turned away 50 some people today, they said\u2014 That\u2019s a lot of people to be turned away from the door. So perhaps it\u2019s better to have a meeting. But the trouble is uh, that they won\u2019t be content with one\u00a0meeting<\/em>. What we\u2019re going end up is\u00a0schizophrenic<\/em>. (Pause) We\u2019ll have one meeting for the guests, and that\u2019ll continue for the rest of the life, and we\u2019ll have another meeting for the family, in which we give\u00a0total protection<\/em>. I\u2019m really in the dilemma as to what we\u2019re going to do about\u00a0that<\/em>, \u2018cause you see, this church guarantees. We provide for our people from the cradle to the great\u00a0beyond<\/em>. The Promised Land\u2019s 27,000 acres, we have a boat, a beautiful boat, we have tractors and\u00a0backhoes<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0bulldozers <\/em>and\u00a0gardens<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0fields<\/em>\u00a0and\u00a0commune<\/em>, lovely houses and apartments, individual houses, too, we don\u2019t make everyone live in one barn. We\u2019re not that kind of communalist.\u00a0But what\u2019re you going to do with these people who start coming to church, just for the loaves and fishes, and we cannot offer them the same thing that we offer the rest, because they won\u2019t have the same understanding, won\u2019t be willing to give of themselves as much as the others who are involved in this family. I don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to do. I think sometime we oughta stop radio and all, the whole thing. \u2018Cause they\u00a0won\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0pay any attention. The radio\u00a0clearly<\/em>\u00a0says, before coming,\u00a0write<\/em>, that our seats are filled, to write so that we can let you know when to come. But folk\u00a0won\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0pay any attention to it, and still come.<\/p>\n

(Pause) But it\u2019s up to you. I\u2019ll\u2014 I\u2019d be willing, if we want to set the side, say the last uh\u2014 but they\u2014\u00a0We have such a problem, you see\u2014 It\u2019d probably have to be the last Friday of a month, and then that last Friday sometime, I\u2019ll be in Los Angeles. What\u2014\u00a0How we going to set it up? It\u2019s really difficult. (Pause) How would we set up one month\u2014 one day a month for people here? Because I\u00a0alternate<\/em>\u2014 Now like Wednesday, I\u2019ll be in Redwood Valley, Friday I\u2019ll be here, Saturday and Sunday I\u2019ll be in our beautiful Los Angeles Temple and apartments. (Pause) How\u2014\u00a0What will we\u00a0do<\/em>? How\u2014 How would we announce that\u2019ll\u2014 that there\u2019ll be a meeting here, or uh, one meeting in Los Angeles. \u2018Cause you can\u2019t\u2014 No one knows when those weeks are going to fall. (Pause) Anybody got a solution to it? You bring up a very good point: We ought to do it. I don\u2019t like to turn people away, (Pause) but I\u00a0certainly<\/em>\u00a0don\u2019t like to bring somebody in like we had (Pause) the other day who\u2019d turn people into the CIA, now\u2014\u00a0and [Secretary of State Henry] Kissinger and all of this dirt has been brought out about how they murdered Chileans with our tax money. (Pause) And the woman\u00a0knew<\/em>\u00a0it when she brought her. She said, oh, I\u00a0forgot<\/em>\u00a0it. You ought to\u00a0know<\/em>\u00a0who you\u2019re bringing to church. \u2018Cause she was\u00a0mean<\/em>. She set on us with hell and fury on Thursday night. Meanness was all over her. Sister [Margrette] Jeffery set next to her. You could\u00a0feel<\/em>\u00a0the rancor in her. (Pause) So I think we ought to re\u2014 we ought to\u00a0resolve<\/em>\u00a0it. We\u2019ll go back to shorter meetings next Sunday. We ought to\u00a0resolve<\/em>\u00a0this. Because I wouldn\u2019t have to teach all this long sermon, but there\u2019s some\u00a0good<\/em>\u00a0people here. Nice young couple over there didn\u2019t understand when they came in, but I can see they understand\u00a0me<\/em>. They may not accept everything\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0stand for. That\u2019s not what I\u2019m\u00a0up<\/em>\u00a0to. I want us to understand that we\u2019ve\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0got one thing in common, the need to\u00a0fight for freedom<\/em>, and defend liberty.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0And if we had a service, we could take people apart, and then we\u2019d see how the people reacted during that service, and we could invite people then into other main services and up in our valley, beautiful projects and our senior homes, and let them see what we\u2019ve done through cooperative,\u00a0non-violent<\/em>, true\u00a0apostolic<\/em>\u00a0socialism, as an alternative to totalitarian fascism or communism. I\u2019d\u2014 I\u2014\u00a0I think it\u2019s a good idea, but what are we going to\u00a0do<\/em>\u00a0to be able to set that one day a month. How do you do it? Anybody got an idea?<\/p>\n

Young woman:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, I\u2014 I\u2019ll think on it. I had\u2014\u00a0I didn\u2019t understand you to say that. I understood you to say that you were only going to have one service per month, and that was for everybody, and I was thinking, how can I make it? (Laughs)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0No no no no no. We would go on, but our meetings would not have to be so\u00a0long<\/em>. (Pause) See, I got out before the Promised Land at two o\u2019clock, 2:30, two o\u2019clock. When you have 20, 30 new people, and they\u2019re\u00a0decent<\/em>\u00a0people, if you\u2019re kind, you\u2019re going to give them an opportunity to hear your point of view. (Pause) If you\u2019re kind. Because all they come in here\u2014 they come in here\u2014\u00a0The first thing some people say, I don\u2019t know it\u2019s wise, I don\u2019t know why you don\u2019t say he\u2019s\u2014\u00a0this is savior, the savior\u2019s with us. Mother LeTourneau will watch it very carefully, and (unintelligible word) others, say\u00a0God<\/em>\u00a0is with us. You (unintelligible word) have to know that\u00a0God<\/em>\u00a0is here. But she doesn\u2019t say, Jim Jones is God, but some of you,\u00a0invariably<\/em>, you\u2019ll stand up and say, (Breathless)\u00a0Jim Jones is Almighty God<\/em>. Then you create a whole afternoon\u2019s work for me. Because I\u00a0sure<\/em>\u00a0don\u2019t want to be that almighty god that everybody\u2019s worshipped. (Pause) I\u2019d be\u00a0ashamed<\/em>\u00a0to be called that Almighty Skygod, \u2018cause\u00a0he<\/em>\u00a0is\u2014\u00a0As I said, I\u2019ve long since put out a, an awar\u2014 a warrant for his arrest, charging him with murder, abandonment of his children, abandonment of his people, desertion, torture, cruelty, inhuman treatment beyond description, so I would not want to be called that, but sure as the\u00a0world<\/em>, somebody hits me at the door. You can\u2019t wait for me to get the truth out. Why don\u2019t you tell the\u00a0works<\/em>\u00a0that I do? Why don\u2019t you tell the\u00a0blessings<\/em>\u00a0that I give? But all up and down the town\u2014\u00a0and then some of you, the worst ones to tell it, are people that can\u2019t get along with their neighbor \u2014 I\u2019m not talking about people (tape edit for brief instant) up here, I\u2019m talking about some of you that tell it out in the streets. You don\u2019t get along with your neighbor, you\u2019re calling the\u00a0police<\/em>\u00a0on your neighbor, you don\u2019t\u00a0speak<\/em>\u00a0to your neighbor, then you tell your neighbor that your pastor\u2019s God. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0And they\u2019re good\u2014 (tape edit) You better live better than some people do. (Voice rises) We have had one of our\u00a0lovely<\/em>\u00a0sisters that runs one of our\u00a0beautiful<\/em>\u00a0homes for senior citizens, and she takes care of them well. But a white\u00a0neighbor<\/em>\u00a0\u2014\u00a0she\u2019s white too, white sister that runs the home \u2014 the white neighbor\u2019s\u00a0dog<\/em>\u00a0was giving us some trouble in her flowers. She called the\u00a0dog<\/em>\u00a0pound on the neighbor\u2019s dog. With all the work I\u2019ve done to take care of little animals in the shelter, and the dog pound is so\u00a0cruel<\/em>\u00a0to them, they throw them in a vat, they\u2019ll stack them in till they\u2019re packed in, till the poor little creatures can\u2019t even move, and they\u2019ll put in those gas vats 20 and 30 dogs where it\u2019s only meant for two. (Pause) Or they\u2019ll put them out and shove monoxide on them, and they won\u2019t be\u2014 uh, they\u2019ll be half dead, and our people have brought them in and nursed them back to health. Throw cold water in and freeze them to death. (Pause) (Incredulous) And a member of mine would turn anyone over to a\u00a0dog pound<\/em>? The most insensitive people I know are those dog pound workers. (Pause) You\u00a0couldn\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0have any feeling to do what they do. People say, they gotta make a living. Well, the German kapos said the same. The Jewish kapos. Those that led the people into the concentration camps. They said, we\u00a0had<\/em>\u00a0to make a living. I don\u2019t buy that. By God, I\u2019d rather\u00a0starve<\/em>\u00a0than make a living at the expense of somebody\u2019s suffering or someone being hurt or something being tortured.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0My life is not that important. I\u00a0refuse<\/em>\u00a0to be a dog catcher. (Pause) (Normal tone) It\u2019s too bad, I know I\u2019ve got one that\u2019s a relative of a dog catcher, I\u2019ll probably\u2014\u00a0I\u2019m gonna lose another member, but that\u2019ll be one more seat we can give to somebody else.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Voice rises) I would\u00a0quit<\/em>, and go on welfare, as much as I don\u2019t like bureaucracy and government. I would\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0be a welfare\u2014\u00a0I would not be a dog catcher. Taking those poor innocent little animals. That\u2019s another reason, why do you believe in anything. These\u00a0poor<\/em>\u00a0little things that\u2019re the most loyal creatures on earth, dogs love you and people just treat them so terribly. They\u2014\u00a0The word\u2019s well said, they treat them like a dog. Don\u2019t feed them, beat them, it\u2019s awful, awful, awful. (Pause) So I wish you people would say, Jim Jones has adopted eight children. Jim Jones helps everybody that comes to him. Jim Jones has never turned an older person away, he gives them a home, whether they have money or not. Jim Jones has never turned a little animal\u00a0away<\/em>\u00a0even. Jim Jones has done this, that, or the other. Jim Jones\u00a0healed<\/em>\u00a0me when doctors said I could not live. But\u00a0you don\u2019t have to say he\u2019s God<\/em>.\u00a0I\u2019ll tell you, when you do that outside, and cast those pearls outside, you are on an ego trip.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0You\u2019re like a little child with\u2014 that used to play with a couple of toys. I got a better bicycle than you. And you trying to\u00a0hurt<\/em>\u00a0people, and there are a\u00a0lot<\/em>\u00a0of good people out there today that are in the churches of this town that\u00a0don\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0like these preachers, that\u00a0know<\/em>\u00a0that they\u2019re living a lie, saying Jesus is coming soon and having anniversaries planned from one year to the next, having to have Cadillacs and tailored clothes. They won\u2019t dress like me. They sure\u00a0won\u2019t<\/em>\u00a0dress in used clothes and hole-y shoes. They won\u2019t dress like that. And there\u2019s a lot of people that would\u00a0come<\/em>\u00a0here, but you have scared them away, because you don\u2019t live the life, you don\u2019t show concern, and the first thing you say to them, he\u2019s God. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Light applause.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0If somebody come up to me on the street and say, there\u2019s a man over there that\u2019s God, I\u2019d think they were\u00a0kooky<\/em>. (Pause) But after awhile, if I saw a good neighbor that helped people out, and took the stranger in, and was neighborly, to help in every emergency, and kind and gracious and smiling and friendly and helpful, I wouldn\u2019t care if they believed the\u00a0totem<\/em>\u00a0pole was God, I\u2019d go look to see what they had.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Why do you suppose Jesus said, Go tell no man. [He] Said I\u2019m the only God there is. But he said, go tell no man.\u00a0(Voice lowers) Why do you suppose he said it? (Pause) \u2018Cause he knew that that wasn\u2019t the way, even in\u00a0his<\/em>\u00a0understanding, and\u00a0he said, this is a greater day than his, he said, after he went away, these things shall you do and\u00a0greater<\/em>. He said, everybody after him would be greater. But\u00a0he<\/em>\u00a0had more sense than that. (Pause) Well, I know I\u2019ve really made some people angry. (Short laugh) I can tell. You can always tell by the quiet, quiet manner that\u2019s in the congregation. (Pause)<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Pause, then light clapping<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Listen, I want to tell you the facts. I don\u2019t want you to tell\u00a0anybody<\/em>, anyone else that I\u2019m a savior. I\u2019m working\u00a0night<\/em>\u00a0and day, sleeping no time \u2014 ask the people \u2014 getting\u2014\u00a0when I lay down on a davenport or bed or floor, it\u2019s dawn. Emergencies of every variety\u2014 I was with Tim Stoen on\u00a0three<\/em>\u00a0calls this morning, helping somebody\u2019s life out of misery. The assistant district attorney that\u2019s a member of our church.\u00a0I don\u2019t want<\/em>\u00a0to be God to anybody else. Do you understand? I\u2019ve got enough children.\u00a0Don\u2019t make me God to anybody else<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0And all God meant was Jesus said, when they took him away to crucify him, he said, ye\u00a0all <\/em>are gods. He said, why do you cru\u2014\u00a0stone me, what for\u2014 He didn\u2019t know why. He said, why do you do it? For what good work. [They] Said, none. Because you being a man make yourself god. [He] Said it is written, (deliberate) ye all are gods.\u00a0Gods, humanism, the highest developed refinement in the superego, the most conscious love, that is God. God means\u00a0good<\/em>. We want people to recognize that (Breathless)\u00a0they are God<\/em>. And quit worshipping the sky, because the rich, the oppressors, the international bankers will\u00a0use<\/em>\u00a0that to tell you to\u00a0quit<\/em>\u00a0working against injustice, because (sings) by and by, when the morning comes, when all the saints of God are gathered home. (Conversational tone) You know, (unintelligible word), uh, you know, as Mark Twain said, people are always talking about going up there and singing 10,000 years, (Sings) Amazing Grace, when we\u2019ve been there 10,000 years, we\u2019ll have no less days to sing God\u2019s praise. (Conversational tone) Mark Twain said, now let me tell you, you can\u2019t get a man in church, he\u2019s uncomfortable after twenty minutes, and he\u2019s going to stand up there and sing Amazing Grace for 10,000 years? [He] Said, that\u2019s a lie, and you know it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0But we\u2014\u00a0we go on with that nonsense, you know, so, and we must\u2014 we must termina4e someplace. I\u00a0do<\/em>\u00a0hope I have an understanding how many will tell the works, as a key to life, twenty a day, but how many will tell the works instead of who you think I am. (Pause)\u00a0Tell<\/em>\u00a0the works. (Pause)\u00a0Show<\/em>\u00a0the fruits in your own life. But\u00a0then<\/em>\u00a0I\u2019m going to ask you, if you\u2019re a\u00a0gossip<\/em>\u00a0and a troublemaker and a grouch, don\u2019t tell anything.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Affirmation and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0If you don\u2019t pay your bills and don\u2019t keep your word, you lie faster than a horse can trot, just keep your mouth shut.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Tell them Presidick\u2014 President [Richard] Nixon is God and\u2014<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0You know, I feel even compassion for that poor man, \u2018cause I think we got a pig in a poke. It made us think we got some help, and we\u2019re in more trouble than we were. And Mr. Rockefeller\u2019s even more trouble than Mr. Nixon. I told you he\u2019d be cre\u2014 he\u2019d be coming on the scene, and you\u2019re in more trouble with Mr. Rockefeller than you are with Mr. Nixon. I don\u2019t take any pride that the man is going to die, a defeated, demoralized man. It\u2019s a powerful, powerful monetary interest and conspiracy that can cause a man with the power that\u00a0he<\/em>\u00a0had to be put out of office. Awful powerful. (Pause) So I don\u2019t take any delight in it, I\u2019m sorry that he\u2019s going through the hell that he\u2019s going through. But that\u2019s the world. (Pause) Anyone else has any question about anything I preached? We understand it? (Pause) By the way, how many feel we\u00a0should<\/em>\u00a0have closed meetings? (Pause) How many feel we should\u00a0not<\/em>\u00a0have? This is\u00a0democracy<\/em>. You have a right to express yourself. Well, we have an agnostic and a believer speaking. One who believes I\u2019m almighty God, one who\u2019s an agnostic socialist, and the conservative over here. So we ought to hear from the three of you. Grace [Stoen], Sister Cox, and this good brother [Robert] Rankin, we ought to hear from you. You don\u2019t believe in church, and so if\u00a0you<\/em>\u00a0can say you think we ought to have clo\u2014\u00a0ought to have closed meetings, we\u00a0sure<\/em>\u00a0ought to hear from you. (Laughs) \u2018Cause he don\u2019t believe in church. (Pause) Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong>\u00a0Uhh. (Clears throat) Father, I was saying that uh, that all the members we got at all the churches, if we all get together like I did in the thirties, and where they\u2019d know\u2014 you know, I didn\u2019t know what I know\u00a0now<\/em>, I think we can really get the program over. If every member in each\u2014 in each block get together and start\u00a0thinking<\/em>\u00a0and start\u00a0doing<\/em>, and give up some of the things they have at home, TV\u2019s and things and phones and things,\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0think that we will get the job\u00a0done<\/em>, Father, and you won\u2019t\u00a0have<\/em>\u00a0to do that\u00a0extra<\/em>\u00a0job, because that\u00a0extra<\/em>\u00a0job causes extra people come in there unnecessarily. Maybe I\u2019m saying wrong, but if I am, you can straighten me out.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, you\u2019re\u2014 you\u2019re\u2014 This is a how\u2014\u00a0this is a hall of democracy, where the spirit of our god is, (unintelligible word) liberty.<\/p>\n

Single voice:<\/strong>\u00a0Amen.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0So you have a right to speak your expression and, you\u2019re a tremendous woman of faith. This woman was dead, the doctors gave her no hope, her heart had been stopped for\u00a0three<\/em>\u00a0hours, the right lateral side of it, but\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0told her she would live.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:\u00a0<\/strong>More than that, they wouldn\u2019t take her in the hospital because of the color of her skin in Chicago, till I promised to pay, and did. First day\u2019s bill was thousand dollars and eighty-one cents\u2014\u00a0thousand dollars and eighty-one\u2014 one thousand eighty-one and some cents. (Pause) Then I sent Sister Jones. That\u2019s why you\u00a0ought<\/em>\u00a0to stand by that woman. She took\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0of her vacation days to stay with her\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong>\u00a0She did\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014Till she got her on that uh, uh, plane and brought her back, to see her back home safe and sound. And then\u00a0you<\/em>\u00a0don\u2019t stand with uh, when Sister Jones is in this congregation, when she gave her\u00a0vacation<\/em>\u00a0days to stand with her, and was\u00a0proud<\/em>\u00a0to do it, because you\u2019re a\u00a0beautiful<\/em>\u00a0soul, but I tell you, it is disgraceful when you don\u2019t stand behind her, because she\u2019s a wonderful mother to you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Affirmation and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong>\u00a0Uh, Father, they probably don\u2019t understand what I mean, but I mean, get out and work. When you see something (balance of sentence under Jones\u2019 interruption)\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0I know what you mean, because you\u2019ve done it.<\/p>\n

Woman 4:<\/strong>\u00a0These people here don\u2019t understand what I\u2019m saying, but perhaps maybe you can explain it better than\u00a0I<\/em>\u00a0can. Also, I did the same thing in Boston,\u00a0Massachusetts<\/em>. We set the whole uh\u2014 during the wartime, we was in the laundry, and that\u2019s a (unintelligible word; foreign?), you know that\u2014 what that is. We shut the whole\u00a0laundry<\/em>\u00a0down because we\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0got together. Those [that] didn\u2019t get together, brother, we got them on the end. \u2018Cause we\u00a0won<\/em>. And I mean, with the bigshots was there, paying out the money, didn\u2019t want to pay us any money, and we sure\u2014 put all the, all the linen in the machines and shut the machines down and let them\u00a0cook<\/em>\u00a0them up. So they had to still pay us, plus buy more linen.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Voice rises throughout) She fought unjust practices in the welfare department, and got it changed firsthand, without education. She can\u2019t read nor write. That\u2019s what it takes. They\u2019re creeping over this land, tax\u2014\u00a0taxing the small business out of existence. OSHA, its laws, till uh, the small businessman can\u2019t exist, the small property owner. Said on the TV this morning, in another year, it will be impossible for a young couple to buy a property, and yet [former California Governor Ronald] Reagan gets by and leaders get by without paying their income taxes. People go to jail for three years, like we have 15 years, this man last evening, for an unjust crime, for taking some\u00a0food<\/em>, and then Mr. Nixon robs the entire Treasury of the United States department, using it for dirty tricks, even to bring down Mrs. Hunt\u2019s plane in Chicago, it was brought out by the man that left the CIA and told all, and all those people were murdered, while the Treasury agents went through the plane and the CIA agents went through the plane. They were burning, and they didn\u2019t try to get them out, they just wanted to get the papers that she had. (Pause) All that money, every bank\u2014\u00a0You might say he robbed\u00a0every<\/em>\u00a0bank in America. And then gets pardoned? (Pause) It is time the little people got together.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Voices too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, now, and I do wish to hear and cl\u2014\u00a0And this is\u00a0so<\/em>\u00a0long, but I do wish to hear the opposition, the three opposed to closing our meetings. Sister Cox.<\/p>\n

Cox:<\/strong>\u00a0(too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Shh! Wait, wait. (Movement of microphone distorts short sentence) (Pause) Sister Cox.<\/p>\n

Cox:<\/strong>\u00a0I said I felt\u2014 I felt that there\u2019s too many younger people out in the streets and uh, senior citizens that are looking for what\u00a0we<\/em>\u00a0have. If we close it, then what do they have? (Pause) I mean, wha\u2014 you know, how are they going to\u00a0find<\/em>\u00a0it, if we close it?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2014 I concur wholeheartedly, but if someone comes in here before we get ourselves st\u2014 together and in the place of refuge, because, really, I hear both the\u00a0conservatives<\/em>\u00a0saying\u2014 (Pause) I\u00a0know<\/em>\u00a0that both conservatives of being the\u00a0personal<\/em>\u00a0friend of the rancher next to us, Mr. Heddy, who\u2019s the secretary of the John Birch Society, and I know the conservatives\u2019 Independent Action, and I know the\u2014 (Pause) you know, the nonviolent left,\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0say that we\u2019re going to have concentration camps, and all this bugging system, as you heard, our head of our justice commission, that goes in the courts when they set people beside us, when we\u00a0defend<\/em>\u00a0someone\u2019s rights with a radio on them, I\u2014\u00a0I mean a transmitter on them, in their\u00a0socks<\/em>\u2014 (Pause) Uh, we are having\u2014 with all the police agents, and I don\u2019t mean police in a negative word, because we believe in law and order, but law and order for\u00a0everyone<\/em>. Law and order in the\u00a0streets<\/em>, and law and order in the\u00a0suites<\/em>. But I\u2019m tired of hearing all this talk about law and order in the\u00a0streets<\/em>\u00a0without any law and order up there in the Washington\u00a0suites<\/em>. (Pause) But anyhow, you\u2019re taking a great chance to speak your liberty in this assembly in front of people in this age. If you wish to get to the Promised Land, and uh, be ready for the time when America\u00a0is<\/em>\u00a0prepared to resist totalitarianism\u2014 be sure that you come to this film, by the way, they\u2014 they have it, they announced, someplace, Big Brother, I don\u2019t know where I put it\u2014 Yes, thank you. Movie,\u00a01984<\/em>. There\u2019ll be a banquet dinner for Jonestown. The president of that free country has named it Jonestown, as you know. (Reads) The menu will be baked or barbecue hens, wild rice, green beans, peas and carrots, fresh tossed salad, Jell-O fruit salad, varieties of cakes of all sorts, peach cobbler, and various punch and non\u2014 non-caffeine coffees. These tickets will go to help Brother Ijames, who\u2019s standing to my right, to get the equipment to build our agriculture\u2014\u00a0agricultural community, who\u2019s one of the\u2014\u00a0He was a pioneer and coordinator of the Promised Land. That will be\u2014\u00a0what date is that? Is the date set? November\u00a0first<\/em>. So be sure to get tickets, will you? There are different tickets for children, children\u2019s tickets are only seventy-seven cents. So\u00a0help<\/em>the cause with that.<\/p>\n

Now that is\u00a0my<\/em>\u00a0thinking, but your thinking\u2019s right, love. Yesterday, I found a poor lad on the streets, and I gave him some food, and he was helpless, homeless, despaired, but so paranoid. He said, why are you helping me? (Pause) I said, young man, I\u2019m a minister. He said, I don\u2019t believe anybody helps anybody without a reason. I said, well, just come to the church door, or call even some of our professional people, and I gave the name of the Assistant District Attorney, gave him Reverend Ijames\u2019 and Reverend [Bill] Purifoy\u2019s num\u2014 name here, said, you can call them. He did not call, and yet I know he\u2019s near death. He was so far out on drugs, he\u2019s near death. I don\u2014 I don\u2019t know. There\u2019s a\u2014 (stumbles over words) It\u00a0is<\/em>\u00a0true, that this is the only\u00a0refuge<\/em>, we, uh, we\u2019ve gotten\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0of our young people off of drugs. The government\u2014\u00a0federal program\u2014 before he was dismissed, said the\u2014\u00a0Van Dusen said that it was the greatest drug rehabilitation program in America. (Pause) So you bring a good point. And the opposition has spoken\u2014\u00a0one of them. Now let\u2019s hear the next one that\u2019s opposed to closing the meetings.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0Uh, Father, the reason I s\u2014\u00a0didn\u2019t vote, I know when we\u2019re having our business meetings, we shouldn\u2019t have no guests or nobody\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014in our business\u00a0meeting<\/em>. But I didn\u2019t vote, because I know their\u2014 that their house of God look like people could come to church some time. But I don\u2019t invite\u00a0nobody<\/em>, white or colored. I don\u2019t\u2014 I don\u2019t invite \u2018em here. But I just speak abou4 the work that you do, the good works, but that\u2019s all, I don\u2019t tell nobody to come here. And this\u2014 I\u2019ll\u2014\u00a0I\u2019ll get this out while I\u2019m here, saying this.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, if you just\u2014 You made a good point there, dear, if you would just stick it to that, and you made a very good point\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014that the house should be open, if it\u2019s a church, open to people, all people\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014and that is the\u00a0truth<\/em>. Maybe we should consider changing it from a church. But that\u2019s very difficult and very\u00a0dangerous<\/em>, in that if we change it to church, we will not have been\u2014 be able to\u00a0utilize<\/em>\u00a0what we now have. Many churches do close their doors, however, to people. The Mormons have a very definite practice, that blacks cannot even enter their temple or become members of the priesthood.\u00a0We<\/em>\u00a0do not discriminate based on color. As many people of one race as another are turned away here, and asked to come back at another time, and are given later invitations,\u00a0if<\/em>\u00a0they are\u00a0unprejudiced<\/em>. We\u00a0do<\/em>\u00a0not invite prejudiced people back.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0You know, I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0If they openly admit they have prejudice. But it is a problem there that\u2019s represented, that we are, being a church, having to close the doors. We didn\u2019t\u00a0used<\/em>\u00a0to do that. But we\u2019ve have people come in and plant\u00a0bombs<\/em>, we\u2019ve had people come in and try to do physical harm\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I know. I know. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0We had the man that came in with the submachine gun. If I hadn\u2019t had a revelation\u2014<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0That\u2019s right. Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0And I\u2014 we\u2019ve never used violence against them, until that time. We did give him a good shellacking. And I think, in spite of it,\u00a0I think Jesus must have had something when he throwed the money-changers out,\u00a0\u2018cause when\u2014 we haven\u2019t had\u00a0nobody<\/em>\u00a0come back in with a gun, since I\u2014 since we gave him a good shellacking. And the custodian wasn\u2019t even a member of our church, and white, and he said, give it to him more. (Pause) So, uh, I think there comes a time when you got to\u00a0speak<\/em>\u00a0to people that want to do harm. If he\u2019da shot that gun through this church, there\u2019da be 25 people, at least, that have got a bullet in them, \u2018cause it was an automatic weapon that would\u2019ve fired 25 times.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019m not against that. That\u2019s right. I\u00a0know<\/em>\u00a0you\u2019re right. Whatever you said is right. But just one thing I want to say before I sit down.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0Umm-hmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019m thanking you for the Peoples Temple people,\u00a0all<\/em>\u00a0of them in here. And all of them that\u00a0work<\/em>\u00a0with me, and all of them that helped me, because I\u2014 I couldn\u2019t make it by myself, the journey by myself. And uh\u2014 (Aside) You don\u2019t tell me what to say, sister.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Tentative laughter<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0Don\u2019t tell me. I gets tired of people trying to tell me what to say. I\u2014<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0If God can\u2019t tell her what to say, dear, you know you won\u2019t be able to.<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I thank you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Laughter<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0Just leave me alone.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong>\u00a0(Laughs)<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0(Voice rises) I thank you for what you blesses me with. But it\u2019s the Peoples Temple than gives me this money. And it\u2019s the People Temple that help me bag up this money, ask for this money. The other time, I turn in more, but I thank you to turn in fifty dollars today. (Pause) All gleaners, for gleaners.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Tentative applause<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I took up this project, because I\u2019m not able to work, I\u2019m not able to cook and sell and do like some are doing, but I\u2019ll took this up to try to help the cause. And you really blesses me with it. \u2018Cause just Sunday before last, our church is 74, but this day, I\u2019m turning you 50. And I thank you for it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong>\u00a0Applause<\/p>\n

Woman 7:<\/strong>\u00a0I ain\u2019t doing this to be seen, but I want the people to know that the money they giving me, that I am\u00a0turning it in<\/em>.<\/p>\n

<\/a>Man:<\/strong> The uh, organization should be closed to people outside, because this is the only hope of its growth<\/em>. The growth of socialism will have to be worldwide, and in fact in all governments before it\u2019s feasible workable, and a workable solution. The\u2013 the\u2013 the Rockefellers, the Rockefellers and people like them uh, take a small minority of the people and make them<\/em>rich, and they control the country on their behalfs. To do<\/em> so, they\u2013 they take another group \u2013 usually the young and the strong \u2013 and arm<\/em> them. They arm them heavily, and they don\u2019t arm anyone else. The rest are given the crumbs or whatever, and unless people are\u2013 and warned<\/em> and this\u2013 this is explained on a person-to-person basis more so than on an organizational level that uh, the Rockefellers and people like them will be continuously\u2013 continuously successful, and the socialist will have a difficult time all over the world.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Thank you. He\u2019s one of the workers who\u2019s put a lot of sweat into this church.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Much of the building that you see here has been his own hands. He\u2019s a very dedicated non-violent democratic socialist. And we have conservatives who hate big government, we have socialists<\/em> who hate big government. Because government is indeed \u2013 whatever your political persuasion \u2013 government is in the control of rich bankers, international corporate interests. (pause) So he says we won\u2019t be able to influence anyone. My feeling is \u2013 maybe you would call me an iconoclast \u2013 that America is drunk<\/em> on materialism and drunk on religion, and that it will take a bloodbath<\/em> before there\u2019ll be anybody to wake up. I will be glad<\/em> to stay here. I wanted to, and some of you say you won\u2019t go<\/em> to the place I have pre\u2013 prepared for you where you\u2019ll be protected. I would rather stay<\/em>, as he would, and fight<\/em> the enemies of freedom here<\/em>, but I don\u2019t<\/em> want to see babies and older people tortured, and I don\u2019t<\/em> think you have any idea of what we\u2019re talking about, because I know<\/em> one of our workers is right now trying to get a baby and so\u2013 young people out of Brazil. The mother and father was put last week up against the wall, shot<\/em> immediately. You saw it in the paper. An American\u2013 I told her to come back. She\u2019s not a member of this church, it doesn\u2019t make any difference what her church was, I think she\u2019s an\u2013 she\u2019s an Adventist in her background and he is a uh, Episcopalian. And he was Brazilian, and they shot them down. They\u2019d had a black uh, person in their home. They shot \u2018em down, even though it\u2019s a multi-racial nation. They\u2019ve now developed racism in Brazil on top of it, and they were shot up against the barber shop wall. You may have read about it in the newspaper. And their children are left, their grandchildren are left homeless, and one of our workers is trying to do something about it tonight to be\u2013 Tonight their\u2013 their time tonight. One of our workers may be in some\u2013 for some difficult time<\/em> getting the person free. That\u2019s how bad it can get. (Pause) Speak to that party, Sly [either Neva or Don Sly], will you please. The nec\u2013 the necessity of staying in the assembly, even though it\u2019s late. Anyone that should speak for? The majority of hands went up. Is there anyone wishes to speak for<\/em> closing the assembly? (Pause) Yes, Sister Young.<\/p>\n

Sister Young: <\/strong>(unintelligible word) I think people had four chances to come to People Temple, and especially young people, \u2018cause I have children. I have a son was in this uh\u2013 uh, in this church, and he left here, and he wouldn\u2019t come back, and I think you\u2013 They done had a chance\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I got him out of jail, and you took him in. Took him in.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> You got him out of jail, you take him in, and\u2013 and got him off from dope.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yep, yep.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> And I know of many of them has been here, and they go out and speak against<\/em> this church. I went in a beautiful (unintelligible word) about two months ago and some woman said to me, said, well, I hear your father calls women bitches. I said well, maybe he do, I\u2019ve maybe not been there that time. I said, but I (unintelligible word) many times that door ain\u2019t open and I ain\u2019t in Peoples Temple, and I said, furthermore, if you want to know what my Father calls people\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That only person I call\u2013 The only person I ever called that word is \u201cheifer\u201d \u2013 it means \u201cbitch\u201d in the old Hebrew \u2013 was a woman that was\u2013 thought she was trying to act like she wasn\u2019t black.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> Well, you see somebody was here at this Temple taking that out.<\/p>\n

Voice in congregation:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> \u2018Cause I don\u2019t tell nothing go on in here.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I expect the woman took it out herself.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> (chuckles) Well she mighta did. I don\u2019t know who it was. But I don\u2019t\u2013 These people\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s one of the few<\/em> things that I\u2019ve heard on me that was true.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> Well, I<\/em> didn\u2019t tell them. Let them come and hear it for theyself, if they can get in that door.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> You see the Bible\u2013 Jesus used\u2013 Paul used \u201cdung,\u201d the worse word in the whole Hebrew language for bowel movement. It\u2019s much dirtier a word than the word we don\u2019t like, \u201cs,\u201d ends with \u201ct\u201d and uh, Paul said, I count it all dung.There was\u2013 Jesus cursed<\/em> the fig tree, cursed<\/em> the money changers. A little bit of cursing\u2019s healthy for the blood pressure, says even the American Medical Association. But this woman was impossible<\/em>. She had a disease. I was willing to try to heal her. She didn\u2019t want to hear what we were telling about needing to work for freedom. She got up about one dozen times and just showed her insolence<\/em>, till finally I did say something.<\/p>\n

Sister Young:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s the reason I think it ought to be closed, \u2018cause they had plenty chance to be here, and uh, plenty of them know (unintelligible word)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And that\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s a lot of courage for her. I know some of you may say, well, she\u2019s an example of someone we helped<\/em>. But you see, her son\u2019s still out there, and she is<\/em> an example of what this church means, and everybody knows it. When she wasn\u2019t even able to be in the church and give her support<\/em> to the church, I paid for her home, didn\u2019t let it be lost. Four payments of $400, uh\u2013 so that she wouldn\u2019t lose her home. We\u2019ve done that over<\/em> and again. We take care of our people<\/em>. But she\u2019s willing to say, that even though her son is out\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in congregation:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

Woman: <\/strong>(too soft)<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s something to consider. Yes, one that\u2019s been healed of tuberculosis and approaching the beautiful hundred ye\u2013 year mark, we oughta hear from you. Yes. I do<\/em> think we look younger than anybody. You\u2019d never guess her age, I know.<\/p>\n

Ever Rejoicing:<\/strong> Father, I just wanted to say that when I went to Father Divine\u2019s church, I was far from believing his teachings, and I was prejudiced \u2013 very prejudiced person \u2013 but by going, I was completely changed, \u2018cause I was led into the church and could come in there and\u2013 and hear\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Mmm-hmm<\/p>\n

Ever Rejoicing:<\/strong> I was completely<\/em> changed.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes. (clears throat) But you know what? You didn\u2019t uh\u2013 At this\u2013 At that juncture of time in Peace Mission, they were not teaching the strong things that I do about legislation and about economics and political, sociological ramifications. Didn\u2019t preach that.<\/p>\n

Ever Rejoicing:<\/strong> That\u2019s true, that\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s the\u2013 that\u2019s the impact that we have that is different than the early days of the Mission. We\u2019ve got all that to deal with.<\/p>\n

Ever Rejoicing:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> And you\u2019re right, people will<\/em> change as they associate with people.<\/p>\n

Ever Rejoicing:<\/strong> I wish the whole world could hear you, I know that.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Well, this is an example. Do you remember, we have the head of the CBS network news that\u2019s a member of this church [reference to Mike Prokes, former CBS newsman in Modesto, California]. One person that came. Remember when the newspaper hailed me, \u201cProphet<\/em> raises the dead.\u201d It was all over the newspaper. District attorney said, prophet raises the dead. Stiff as a board. Tongues hanging out. Turned blue. Lifeless. He raises the dead. The newspaper gave it the impact of no question that he raises the dead. How many people came? (Pause) There\u2019s only one<\/em> that they\u2013 all religions taught that would raise the dead. That was the Second Coming of the millennium that would raise the dead. Christ<\/em> return, but no one came. If you can\u2019t\u2013 Or very little. Very few came. If you can\u2019t get people to come where people are raising the dead<\/em>, this one man did who was a practitioner of the Christian Scientist Church, he came. Gave up his TV cameras, he had \u2018em up there, going to do a story on us. But then he realized how corrupt the media was, gave up a big job, thousands of dollars he was making every year, gave it up and joined the church right then. Turned his whole life over, his whole resource over to the cause. I\u2019m afraid that uh, (clears throat) people are going to have to suffer. I wish it were like Brother Rankin said, that we could keep preaching and they would keep listening, (pause) but I think I\u2019m preaching and very few are listening.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>Yes. Yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Father I\u2013 I was\u2013 I\u2019m kind of hung up on the thing because of uh, my daughter was slipping here before I knew about you, and it took her uh\u2013 Miss Mollett [phonetic]. She was the one recommend that you to me, and my daughter had already been slipping here for I don\u2019t know how many times, and I don\u2019t know, I can\u2019t get her to come. I can\u2019t\u2013 She have eleven children. I can\u2019t get them to come. So I don\u2019t\u2013 I just don\u2019t hardly know what to say. They just seem they don\u2019t have good sense. My daughter said to me, said, oh, I don\u2019t want to give up my prestige.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Prestige?<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Prestige. What kind of prestige? What kind of prestige?<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Incredulous) What kind of prestige does any black person have in America?<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> She\u2013 she worship in another church while I worship in the same uh, church\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> What church\u2013 What church does she get all this prestige in?<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> (laughs) \u2013little singing and a little speaking\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Oh!<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> So anyway, well I\u2013 uh, I was\u2013 I had\u2013 I had three offices in the church. In my<\/em> church the man that got\u2013 that got killed, the bishop that got killed not long ago.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Cleaver. Bishop Cleaver.<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/strong>Yeah. I was a member of his<\/em> church. I had three big offices<\/em> there.<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>The one that got murdered uh, by the man that resented his Cadillac.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> Right. Right.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Hmmm-mmm.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> So anyway, I don\u2019t think I have any prestige until I found Peoples Temple. I\u2019m telling you, and I got the prestige now. Oh bless them. Hallelujah. I\u2019m so happy I found you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/strong>Oh, yes. That\u2019s why I don\u2019t know\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>The family was so\u2013 Excuse me, excuse\u2013<\/p>\n

Woman 5: <\/strong>My sisters don\u2019t know\u2013 My sisters and brothers don\u2019t know, that I\u2019da been dead, dead\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> Yes, yes.<\/p>\n

Woman 5:<\/strong> \u2013dead if I hadn\u2019t found you. ( unintelligible words as fades away from microphone) \u2013if it wasn\u2019t for you.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>She\u2019s a\u2013 She was another who was very hopelessly ill and was healed,<\/em> so she has a reason. But all the prestige you\u2019re speaking is not important to her when she\u2019s found freedom. Thing that amazes me and overwhelms me and makes me feel so grateful is that so many seniors, hundred years, ninety years, that our sister that just stood that doesn\u2019t look like she\u2019s way in her advanced years, approaching the hundred mark that just spoke, the white sister, but these people who are ready you might say to end life. Now normally when people get ready to end life, they always want to get religion. They want a sure ticket to heaven. They want somebody to figure it all out, give them every step, stage. They want to be guaranteed they got passage to that Never Never Land. The older person is, because they got nothing left in this world. Now it would look to me like there\u2019d be more precious young people, like the two that are up here on the guest today, been very nice and attentive and patient with this long, long service. We do have young<\/em> people, but let\u2019s face it: This is a senior church. I don\u2019t dig it, I don\u2019t understand it. Beautiful seniors that\u2019ll put up with the work and make and struggle to get a Promised Land when some of them don\u2019t even care whether they get there or not. They\u2019re doing it for youth. They\u2019re going to the courts and work for people\u2019s freedom, when families won\u2019t even come. Stay home and eat or fix a dinner like we were talking about or pray. Won\u2019t even come to help their own children<\/em> out of trouble. I\u2019m amazed and I\u2019m grateful to our seniors, but I would say it\u2019s the greatest commentary that America is very sick.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Scattered applause<\/p>\n

Jones: <\/strong>When the youth<\/em> are caught up in the trick of the anarchistic terroristic plan of the conspiracy to do their own thing, get on drugs, do this, do that, go out on a free love trip, every kind of perversion anymore. We spend our hours with perversion. Someone had the nerve to invite me and my wife, a doctor and his wife, they exchange men, exchange the women. The men with the men, women with the women. Leading doctor in our little town of Ukiah. I got their children in this church, I had to get\u2013 Their children got out<\/em> of the mess, and the wife<\/em> got out of the mess. She wasn\u2019t in it. That was the second wife. (Pause) They\u2019re now members of this church. That\u2019s sick<\/em>. And that\u2019s what society has tricked us into doing. Drinking, doing what we please, living it up, say it\u2019s going to go on forever. The world\u2019s going to go on forever. Just<\/em> do your own thing. You have seniors who should feel the need of that more than anyone. They say, no, I\u2019m going to try to make it better for somebody else. Or you\u2019re gonna say, well, they had<\/em> their life. Had<\/em> their life? These people have toiled all<\/em> their life, struggled all<\/em> their life. They\u2019ve had no free love. It\u2019s cost them with every bit of their blood and sweat to get anything free. Nothing was ever free, and yet we cannot get<\/em> the youth turned on to any\u2013 to great degree. Few years ago, I\u2019d go at Berkeley, and you\u2019d hear people stand up and talk about oppression, conspiracy, about the terrible, terrible things that were happening in our country. Today all you could hear is freaks<\/em> talking about Jesus.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I mean Jesus up there, not<\/em> Jesus to feed somebody. And Jesus said, that\u2019s the only way to worship me. He said feed<\/em>the hungry, clothe<\/em> the naked, take<\/em> in the stranger, release<\/em> those that are in captivity. That\u2019s what Jesus said. In that you do it unto the least<\/em> of these, you do it to me. He didn\u2019t want anybody to worship him or to build some shrine to an unknown God. He said he\u2019ll separate the sheep from the goats, based on whether you feed the hungry. And out at Berkeley, you won\u2019t find anybody but a bunch of nuts<\/em> standing on boxes, talking about religion or guru, somebody sitting and meditating their way into eternity. I met somebody on a pole<\/em> out there one day this week, standing up on a pole. He said, I am. He said, don\u2019t you see I am.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Man:<\/strong> You are on a pole.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t even look up, it made my heart ache so much, I didn\u2019t even look up. Long beard, had his dashiki on. Black. It was bad enough. I wish he had been white, but he was black. Standing up. I am. (pause) I\u2019ve reached nirvana<\/em>. I\u2019ve arrived. I\u2019m God. So don\u2019t<\/em> call me God. There\u2019s fools<\/em> out there calling themselves God. Standing up on a pole in the middle of Berkeley, right up on a pole. I am.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> They\u2019ve given us religion just like one writer said. Both the conservatives said it. [Francois] Duvalier and [Karl] Marx. Religion\u2019s an opiate of the people, to keep people asleep while the conspiracy takes what they want and gives you what they will. Don\u2019t talk about people on heroin<\/em>. This dose of the old time religion\u2019s the worse dope there ever was<\/em>. You can cure<\/em> people of heroin, you can get people off of pot, but honey, you cannot get off that religious slop<\/em>. You can\u2019t do it.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Calms) I think we\u2019ve said enough. We\u2019ll postpone the discussion and decide later. We have voted, it looks like, what we\u2019re going to do, and we\u2019ll debate the time. and if you come up with ideas about the date where we can have an open meeting. I\u2019ve been here (sighs) for many years. I\u2019ve proven my honesty\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in congregation:<\/strong> Yes, you have\u2013<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013 in adopting eight children and giving to my people freely<\/em> everything they needed\u2013<\/p>\n

Voice in congregation:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> \u2013 even to the free legal services, from free housing to free medicine. I have preached to two million people in the Bay Area. They may be from Fresno, Sacramento, (unintelligible word). Two million people have come through these doors. Benjamin Franklin, out of\u2013 to Hunters Point and in this church. Over one million in Los Angeles. I have\u2013 I have only been able to convert one in one thousand. (pause) That says something. And today I have spoken to this congregation, and some guests have keepen\u2013 kept their mind more open than some of you who\u2019ve been here for two years.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Applause<\/p>\n

Exchange of conversation between Jones and another man too soft<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> How many have been with me since I came to San Francisco? Stand up. Well, before I came\u2013 since I came\u2013 before I came that\u2013 Before I came, so that would apply too. From\u2013 to Redwood Valley, you heard of me because of the miracles I\u2019d done and the things I\u2019d done \u2013 Stand up! \u2013 before I came to San Francisco, or uh, when I first came. Shhh. Let\u2019s\u2013 Look, I\u2019m trying to get something done, that\u2019s why the service is very long. (Pause) How many have been here for three years? And well, you keep standing. You keep standing, the ones of you that\u2019re still standing. Three or more\u2013 Yes, three or more. Thank you for that. Well, five, you can hold up the number of hands if you wish to, \u2018cause all of you that were standing, we presume you\u2019ve been here a great deal more. How many have been here\u2013 Well, there you\u2019ve got it. I think you see it right now. Three or more years. Stand up, please. Everyone that\u2019s been three or more years. (Pause) There are not fifty of you left. (Pause) Now you are beautiful people, but it\u2019s taken us three years to get fifty beautiful people. See what I\u2019m saying? How many have been here two<\/em> years or le\u2013 more? Keep standing. Two years or more. Now we have hardly no one that\u2019s not standing. It\u2019s just two guests here, bless their hearts, so we have\u2013 and one gentleman. One two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven. Now this is going to be the saddest news. How many been here one<\/em> year or more. That brings practically everybody to their feet. Don\u2019t feel bad now, if you haven\u2019t been here a year, you couldna been here if you hadn\u2019t heard<\/em> about it, you see, so you\u2019re not responsible. I\u2019m just talking about to show you how little we have done in this last year. Practically everyone (unintelligible word) is standing been here more than a year. There, good brothers and sisters, is your case of empiricism. We study this and decide. Study this and decide. It\u2019s up to you. Person\u2019s a fool<\/em> that doesn\u2019t face facts. You may be seated. And of the people seated, half<\/em> of them were guests today, and one of them is just a brother I got out of prison. So better than half<\/em> the people that were seated were people who just here this\u2013 this week. (Pause) Somebody\u2019s not in interested in Jim Jones.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Murmurs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> (Pause) Excuse me just a moment. One more thing. Will you shift please, \u2018cause someone might be in a serious illness. This has been a business occasion today. We want to be sure that we don\u2019t leave anyone\u2013 (Pause) Now\u2013 Peace\u2013 Let\u2019s get ourselves assembled. And give the choir a little instruction there to\u2013 about assembling. I want to ask a uh, question<\/em>. How many do not<\/em> believe in a Skygod?<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Stirs<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting. It\u2019s all right. It\u2019s fine. You\u2019re new. You don\u2019t believe in a Skygod. Or let us put it better. You don\u2019t believe in a loving<\/em> Skygod. You don\u2019t believe in a loving Skygod. Someone can prove that there\u2019s a buzzard up there, but you can\u2019t prove\u2013 I can prove scientifically that he\u2019s not loving, (pause) \u2018cause there\u2019s two out of three babies going to bed hungry and starvation, and then all of it hits black people more and poor people more than anybody else. All right. (Clears throat) How many believe that the blood of Jesus Christ is the only way that will save you from your sins? (Pause) The blood of Jesus Christ is the only thing that saves you from your sins. How many do not<\/em> believe that? How many do<\/em> believe it? You people don\u2019t know your posterior from your anterior.<\/p>\n

Congregation:<\/strong> Laughter and applause<\/p>\n

Jones:<\/strong> I tricked<\/em> you, and I told you last night that I\u2019d tricked you. You don\u2019t even pay attention. I tricked Los Angeles with the same question. I told you that I had the choir do that in Los Angeles, and you fell for it here. Some of you are reacting to what other people do. I hope\u2013 Because if you believe that it took some good man to die, to save you<\/em>, that his blood had to be poured out and tortured to save you. You don\u2019t even read your Bible, because it says you are only reconciled. He did that to reconcile<\/em> the old myths. You\u2019re reconciled by the blood, it says, and saved by the life. But hands went up. And I don\u2019t mind guests. Again, don\u2019t feel you know your religion. I\u2019m not questioning that. But if you\u2019ve been in this house for years, you don\u2019t<\/em> know what you believe. You were doing what somebody else<\/em> was doing. You were following the leaders blindly<\/em>.<\/p>\n

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