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To read the Tape Summary, click here<\/a>. Listen to MP3 (Pt. 1<\/a>,\u00a0Pt. 2<\/a>).
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[Editor’s note<\/strong>: This is a continuation of the first half of this reading on Q 603<\/a>.]<\/em><\/p>\n

Tish Leroy:<\/strong> Tape number two on the chart of Jim Jones, starting into the progressions, regressions and uh, current cycles as they\u2019re now hitting the chart.<\/p>\n

I should\u2019ve mentioned the sunspot number\u2013 the sunspot number is 20 decreasing. Uh, sunspots go from zero to, oh, a hundred and\u2013 through 140 in a given month. Very, very high and very, very low sunspot numbers are indicative of usually pretty high mentality or ability to express, excepting those with very, very high<\/em> sunspots cannot usually communicate<\/em> as well as those with the lower number of sunspots, so the 20 that\u2013 the 20 point six uh, decreasing sunspot number for your month at about the time you were born is uh, very favorable for your ability to communicate, and indicates that that you can munic\u2013 communicate very uh, high advanced theory into the Earth pattern. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

This is Friday, November the eighteenth, 1977. (Tape edit) Your chart was struck by an eclipse uh, on the sixteenth of January, 1972. Conjuncture natal Saturn in the tenth, which in the natal chart would bring about uh, a\u2013 an eclipse to the natal Saturn would\u2013 would preempt a career fall, as such. Uh, it\u2019s very great\u2013 It certainly is a shaking of the foundation of the career pattern at that time, and if you didn\u2019t have the chart that you had, with the trine in the sun, which gives you ultimate success in every<\/em> venture, uh, career-wise, (pause) eventually, you do<\/em> succeed. Uh, you may have ups and downs and falls, but you will always come back up to the top, because that is a destiny factor in the chart that you do not have to worry about life overriding, because it\u2019s about a strong destiny factor as you can have. It\u2019s one of the few<\/em> things that I\u2013 I look to for absolutes in the chart, so in that uh, I\u2019d say is\u2013 is extremely pronounced. (Tape edit) However, this gets touched off every time Saturn uh, affects it. (Tape edit) [I don\u2019t] Know if that\u2019s the time John [Victor Stoen] was born or not. I think\u2013 I think he was born in January of 72, I\u2013 I don\u2019t recall, and Maria [Katsaris]\u2013 or Margaret hasn\u2019t yet gotten me that date. His birthdate. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The planetary patterns of August 1975 came to the halfway point in that chart. Saturn reached the opposition to that point, and to a degree, the events of that time ultimately weakened the eclipse pattern, but it would\u2019ve given you a blow of some sort in August of \u201975. I don\u2019t remember what happened in that time. (Tape edit) I think it was shortly after this that you decided to go to San Francisco, because I<\/em> came to San Francisco in March of \u201876, I think, (Tape edit) though I think that it would\u2019ve been about August or September of \u201975 that you made the decision to move down there yourself. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The results of that chart extend a long way into the future. In November and December of\u2013 No, wait a minute. Yes, that\u2019s correct. In November of 1982\u2013 November of 1982, Saturn reaches a closing square of that. It could climax and finish and complete the pattern, although the uh, total pattern uh, continues in some<\/em> way (Tape edit) for another seven years, ending in 1989. (Pause) Whatever\u2013 whatever is involved with that pattern will not extend beyond 1989. But in all probability, in 1982, it will\u2013 it will terminate, for all practical purposes. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

In May of 1975, a solar eclipse in 20 degrees of Taurus\u2013 Incidentally, the eclipse in January of \u201972 is ultimately very beneficial to you. It\u2019s a north nodal eclipse. In May of \u201975, a solar eclipse in 20 Taurus, a south nodal eclipse which is detrimental somewhat to your health, was conjunct your sun that uh, brings some difficulty to the (Pause) eyesight, some danger to the eyesight at that time. That would\u2019ve been in May of \u201875, there would\u2019ve been uh, health factors, probably (Pause) precipitating trouble to the eyes at that time, and also to the throat. And had you been an ordinary person, you probably would\u2019ve have had uh, (Pause) cancer of the throat and a severe condition resulting that you wouldn\u2019t have been able to get out of. (Tape edit) Here again in your chart you have powerful trines to your sun that always give you a way out, and the trine of Pluto gives you that constant energy, cosmic energy coming in<\/em> that uh, erases almost everything that would do you in. Not almost everything, but it does erase everything that would do you in, I should phrase it that way, because you do have ultimate success in life pattern, you do have ultimate control in the life pattern. I don\u2019t think you have total control right now, but I do see from the chart that you do have ultimate control, and ultimately, you will have total control. That\u2019s my opinion, that\u2019s\u2013 you know, from what I can see there. I\u2013 I again am not\u2013 I don\u2019t feel qualified, but I\u2019m telling you how it looks to me. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

June of \u201976\u2013 No, that\u2019s not correct. (Tape edit) August of \u201977, transcending Saturn reached uh, (Sighs) an opening square of the May 11 solar eclipse, which conjoined your sun. Uh\u2013 That would be an initiator of great difficulty and great trouble to your person, which probably is going to continue in one form or another for another seven years, to the opposition point, at which time the eclipse will be watered down greatly, but you\u2019re going to have to watch your health. You\u2019re past this pattern now, and you don\u2019t have another similar pattern for seven years. Uh\u2013 In 1984, when this pattern comes back at that time, you\u2019ll have to be careful of your throat and your eyes, but knowing your chart, uh, I\u2019m not\u2013 it\u2019s not one that uh, presents that much difficulty. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The thing I want to pick up on the eyes seems to relate to the health. It\u2019s not any external thing happening to you, but it seems to\u2013 in the chart, it looks like a\u2013 a toxic condition more than anything else, so if you\u2019re able to control what you put into your body at that time, then you should not have difficulty from it. It would\u2019ve been a high toxic condition in all probability in August of \u201877, uh, affecting your body, affecting your throat, your eyes, and uh, certain bodily functions at that time also. (Tape edit) That cycle ends in May of two\u2013 of 2000, in May of the year 2000, when that cycle ends. That eclipse finishes completely. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The Mercury was hit on October 23, 1976, a solar eclipse in oh Scorpio opposite the Mercury, and again, a south nodal s\u2013 that was a north nodal solar eclipse. A south nodal so\u2013 solar eclipse 28 Aries falling on April 18 conjunct your Mercury. (Tape edit) \u2013 1977. (Tape edit) December of 1981 and the summer into fall. Now from April through September of 1982 is a problem period connected with<\/em> that. Uh\u2013 There\u2019s probably very heavy press attack that will be coming at that time from some source, (Pause) things that initiated in October of \u201976 will come into very heavy attack in the summer into the fall of 1982, (Pause) and you may have to defend yourself in court at that time. (Tape edit) You may have to fight for something with the written word at that time. (Pause) It\u2019s not so much an attack on you directly as on an ideology. (Tape edit) October 12, 1977, the solar eclipse in 19 Libra and September 28, 1977, the solar eclipse in 5 Libra, both of them north nodal eclipses, one approached your moon, the other your Uranus. Uh\u2013 They brought, or would\u2019ve brought some climaxes and some difficulties, but ultimately, they\u2019re beneficial to you. (Pause) I know I came in on the eclipse opposition your natal moon on September 28, which uh, would\u2019ve endangered all females in your life pattern<\/em>. I just happened to be one of them. Your mother [Lynetta Jones] would\u2019ve come under danger, your wife [Marceline Jones] would\u2019ve come under danger, other females in the\u2013 probably in the\u2013 in the government uh, would\u2019ve come under danger at that time. I don\u2019t know what they all were. But anyone with that pattern hitting your natal chart would\u2019ve felt it. (Pause) I know I felt it, \u2018cause it struck my chart too, but uh\u2013 (Pause) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

This eclipse does not have a long duration. It will end between November of 1980 (Tape edit) and the summer of 1981, it will be completed. Certain things that came up through that period\u2013 uh, critical<\/em> things that uh, came up in September and October of 1977, will be finalized and out of the way. Now that<\/em> was the time\u2013 about the time of the\u2013 uh, that eclipse would\u2019ve initiated the crisis that you were in, so the things that you feared, or the things that were connected, and that could\u2019ve<\/em> happened during that crisis, will be finalized and behind you, and no longer able<\/em> to happen, and they will<\/em> not happen after\u2013 from the 1980-1981 period. Whatever it is, it\u2019s going to happen to the government of Guyana, I would say. (Tape edit) There\u2019s a similar pattern coming in \u201978 with the l\u2013 uh, lunar north nodal eclipse of March 24, 1978, and the solar eclipse of April 7, 1978. The latter one, a south nodal, brings a surprise. Be very leery of anyone who approaches during that cycle. A new person entering the life during that cycle is apt to be uh, a Trojan horse. That\u2019s the cycle of April 7, 1978. Be very<\/em> leery of someone approaching at that time. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

That covers the eclipse patterns operative in the chart. Now I\u2019ll go to the progressed aspects. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The progressed descendant itself is now in the sign of Gemini, 22 Gemini, (Tape edit) giving you much more nervous temperament, drawing a lot of Gemini persons into prominence in your life pattern, giving you definite connection with Gemini people, giving you a lot to do with the written and spoken word. The progressed sun is in six degrees of Cancer. That gives you a lot of the personality traits of the Cancerian. As we develop, we\u2013 and the sun progresses, we do change personalities a great deal, and your sun, while it would still have the basic Taurian loyalties and all of the factors that we connect to Taurus, would actually be demonstrating Cancerian traits at this time. (Tape edit) The mid-heaven is 28 Aquarius, which draws Aquarians into your life pattern as far as career patterns are concerned. (Tape edit) Progressions right now are generally favorable to you. They\u2019re favorable to increasing uh, financial and economic basis \u2013 very favorable \u2013 it\u2019s not a fast type of progression, the sextile to Uranus brings a few people in that will give you sudden benefits. Uh, the semi-sextile to Jupiter brings some favor from distance, but it\u2019s a mild<\/em> aspect. Mars approaching\u2013 uh, progress Mars approaching a trine of the mid-heaven in the next two years gives you a graduating increase in prestige and public status across the next two years in this location. It will reach a\u2013 a peak in two years, and there will be some honor probably bestowed upon you at that time from this country. (Pause) As well as an expansion at that point, you will initiate something new for<\/em> this country at that point. (Tape edit) Something around the twenty-third to the end of November, transcending Jupiter conjoining your sun brings you great benefit. It\u2019s conjoining your progress sun in the uh, third house. There will be some publication in connection with this, but it\u2019s very beneficial to you financially and economically as well. Transiting Uranus in this period, sextiling your mid-heaven brings you some surprise in connection with uh, status, career, and public standing. Transiting Neptune trine your Mars at this time improves greatly your personal health drives and should help you as far as energy is concerned. It uh, is a refining aspect as far as the uh, brain and the planning, and so forth. Transiting Pluto sextile to Mars in the sixth is\u2013 enables you to increase the work outlay in November and early December tremendously<\/em> in spite of uh, many obstacles by innovation. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

January, you have a transiting Mars return to its natal place, which is usually an energizing point. (Tape edit) Your natal Mars is\u2013 is pretty solidly aspected and pretty strongly aspected, uh, excepting for a danger of, you know, inflammations at that time and colds<\/em>. You\u2019re gonna have a lot more\u2013 you\u2019re gonna feel<\/em> more like doing<\/em> too much, and the danger is you may over-extend at that time, not that the energy and the health isn\u2019t there for you, but just that you use more because you need it at that time. Uh, there\u2019ll be a lot of it available to you, but you\u2019ll incline to over-extend under that aspect. You need to pace<\/em> yourself, I would say, at that time, if that\u2019s possible. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Again, the end of December brings you favor and increase as far as the finances are concerned, a tremendous help in finances uh, from December 23 to uh, (Pause) end of January, then again in June of \u201978 and November of \u201978. A similar aspect\u2013 this\u2013 we would say, this aspect, make hay while the sun shines. Transiting Jupiter\u2013 transiting Neptune trine Jupiter deals with properties and is a time when you can realize\u2013 uh, by initiating action, you can realize benefit through property sales and the like. There\u2019s a good chance of that. And that would be December 23 to the end of the year, or in that cycle for a month, you\u2019ve got a cycle there of a month, beginning with around December 23, and uh, again in June and again in November of \u201978. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Uh, the end of January and into February of 1978, hold onto your hat. Transiting Pluto opposition Uranus brings a surprise of some sort. Something unexpected at the time when\u2013 (Tape edit) Let me read the aspect literally for you. Uranus is a decomposition, it\u2019s a disintegrating aspect, it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s the Christ consciousness that which disintegrates the old form. Pluto is the cosmic form, it brings things into<\/em> form, it\u2019s a crystallizer<\/em>. Uh, Pluto opposite the Uranus, and that uh, is first in January, then it\u2019s again in March \u2013 the end of March, the end of January and into February, the end of March and into April \u2013 and it extends through the rest of the year, through September, October of 1978. Very, very powerful time of cystallizing your\u2013 your revolutionary pattern. Uh\u2013 (Pause) The aspect brought me back then to astrology, to my total surprise\u2013 it took me out of astrology when it crossed, the first time it brought me back into it when it crossed the second time, uh\u2013 but Uranus hasn\u2019t indicated astrology in your chart as it has in mine, so a\u2013 it\u2019s indicated revolutionary activity, so I would say it\u2019s a crystallizing of tremendous patterns in your revolutionary field<\/em>, and I think you make fantastic strides during this period, uh, maybe even beyond your wildest dreams. I don\u2019t know. But it\u2019s\u2013 it\u2019s really fantastic. There\u2019s a total<\/em> change of pattern. What you expect to be doing, if\u2013 you know, what\u2013 what the ordinary<\/em> person would expect to be doing, uh, they do not end up doing under this, because there\u2019s a total change in the life pattern. Uh, there\u2019s apt to be a change of location at that time, the end of January, and again, March through the end of the year, or else\u2013 You may be seesawing, but there seems to be a change of pattern.<\/p>\n

Transiting Pluto in the middle of this is sextiling your natal Mars, so it increases your energy and does give you the strength to go ahead and do<\/em> everything that\u2019s indicated by this. (Tape edit) In April, transiting Jupiter opens square your moon brings difficulty to the females in your life. (Pause) (Tape edit) Would include your mother and your legal wife, and the other women that are in that (Pause) uh, standing or around you. The women\u2013 It\u2019s generally the women around you that\u2013 that uh, have some importance in\u2013 in your work, in your life pattern. But specifically, it would be the wife or the mother, in most charts. Where you have a public figure, it takes a little different connotation. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Again, in May of uh\u2013 the end of May, transiting Mars conjunct the natal Mars in June, and conjunct Neptune. Uh, the end of May, look out for toxicity and over-doing. You have a lot of energy coming in, you are required to do<\/em> a lot, there\u2019s a lot of action the end of May and into June, but transiting Mars conjunct Neptune is danger of poisoning, and somebody\u2019s apt to try something on you at that time. Or you could pick up some bad food or something. It isn\u2019t a\u2013 a de\u2013 a death<\/em>-type aspect, it\u2019s just a lot of\u2013 it\u2019s a health factor, and it\u2019s uh, uncomfortable as a rule. Could also bring in help to you, as far as the Neptune field is concerned, which is the archetype of the Holy Spirit, so the higher socialism theory might come in at that time too, and be able to be worked out. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

June seems to hold some very pleasant times. The end of June, June 23 through July 23 holds some very pleasant times. Uh\u00ad\u2013 Some very tender times. (Pause) And there\u2019s something of a monetary and economic thing here, there\u2019s a\u2013 a decision that\u2019s made concerning uh\u2013Well, it\u2019s a sudden decision, it\u2019s a surprise decision, and it is beneficial to you, beneficial to your work. But I think it\u2019ll be a spur-of-the-moment decision and will prove ultimately very fortunate, something made from June 23 to July 23. (Tape edit) Transiting Jupiter opening square Uranus, it\u2019s going to be a hard<\/em> decision to make, there\u2019ll be difficulty connection with\u2013 with it. The opening square is a breaking of ground, and uh\u2013 That\u2019s as close as I can come to reading that in your chart. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The end of July and August, there\u2019s travel indicated in the chart, possibly travel a long distance. (Pause) (Tape edit) Trine\u2013 transiting Saturn is conjunct the natal Neptune in the chart, so that uh, there\u2019s an intensification of socialism in the chart. Also, be a little leery of people who enter your pattern at this time for the first time. You meet a stranger that you cannot trust. You meet another that probably will be a lifetime friend. Uh\u2013 You\u2019re going to have to maybe use your sensory perception to distinguish the difference, because gone be very hard to do. You\u2019ve got two patterns hitting the chart, one very favorable, and one\u2013 uh, one very sinister. And that\u2019s uh, the end of July (Pause) into August. And that\u2019s also an aspect that warns you to look out for poisoning again, or toxicity in the foods. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

You tend to over-extend yourself the end of October in \u201978. Uh, July and August of \u201979, you\u2019re warned of a very, very high cash outlay, uh, an expense, something you might bargain for, and it will turn out cost you a lot more, so look out. That\u2019s July and August of \u201979. Uh, July, August and September of \u201978, transiting Neptune trine to Mars is very beneficial. (Tape edit) Your brain children get a lot of help<\/em> at that time, and uh, it\u2019s possible that you\u2019re going to be able \u2013 July, August and September \u2013 to get something into print that you wanted to do in print for a long time. It\u2019s inclined to be of a socialist type of writing. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

November of \u201978 brings you a surprise benefit, and transiting Neptune trines, harvest trine, the natal Uranus, something that you planted many years ago, is going to bloom, and that is in connection with your revolutionary and your socialist activities, because that\u2019s Neptune socialism and Uranus, your uh\u2013 your revolutionary activities, so, it\u2019s a harvest trine, that\u2019s a fruit point, you\u2019re going to reap the fruit, you\u2019re going be able to eat the fruit that you have wanted to eat. (Pause) It\u2019s a beautiful aspect. November, December of \u201978, somewhere in there. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

October and November of \u201978 hold some powerful, powerful aspects for your chart. At the same time that Neptune is trining your Mars, transiting Pluto is sextiling it, and then uh, open square Jupiter opposition Uranus, all at the same time, it\u2019s a\u2013 (gusts a breath) it\u2019s\u2013 that\u2019s got so much energy, I couldn\u2019t begin to read it, I don\u2019t know what to tell you about that. Just that it\u2019ll be a very, very intense period, there\u2019ll be a lot going on, and you will achieve a lot<\/em>. You\u2019ll be able to materialize a tremendous amount that you have envisioned over a long period of time. It\u2019s a\u2013 it\u2019s a harvest<\/em> point for you. It\u2019s a beautiful aspect. October, November of \u201978. It won\u2019t be without struggle. The opening square is a breaking of ground, and that\u2019s always some pain connected with it. But it\u2019s\u2013 ultimately, it\u2019s uh\u2013 it\u2019s a very beneficial time. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Now a brief look at the long term cycles. Transiting Saturn is rising in the chart. (Tape edit) The end of 1981 and into early 1982, and through 1982, by October of 1982, it\u2019s finished crossing the seventh cusp, so there is a seesaw period there, where there\u2019re a lot of delays, times when you want to get things done, but the delays are for your benefit, so uh\u2013 (Pause) don\u2019t worry about it or be impatient with it at that time, because by the time you reach October\u2013 uh, September, October of 19\u2013 uh, 72\u2013\u00a0eighty\u2013 excuse me, 1982, you will\u2019ve brought forward into the public in a most grand way. Uh\u2013 When you have a seven-year cycle of building, wherein you are able to do phenomenally well, you have a two<\/em>-year cycle, that\u2013 that\u2019s a 1982 to 1989, you have then a two-year cycle where uh\u2013 (Pause) it\u2019s a harvest time, harvest cycle. And that\u2019s around 1989, 1990, right in there. Uh\u2013 And there\u2019s a harvest time, as far as your public status is concerned. You rise to great heights at that time. And your location through that period will be extremely important in Guyana, it\u2019ll be very favorable for you in the United States, uh\u2013 That\u2019s not favorable for you, so you\u2019d be better here or some other\u2013 We\u2019d have to do a locational charts of those places. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

If I have calculated correctly on your ascendant (Pause) December-Janu\u2013 December of 1979, January and February of 1980, uh, are cataclysmic, as far as the change patterns they bring. (Tape edit) (Sighs) It\u2019s a whole change in the lifestyle, a whole change in the life pattern, a whole change in the way of life, and you will make probably a change in your plans<\/em>. While you are inclined to deal only with the present at that time, you will deal with the far future. (Pause) Well, if I can say that, uh\u2013 (Tape edit) I feel it\u2019s presumptuous of me to make a statement like that, but that\u2019s exactly what I see<\/em>. (Pause) So I\u2013 I say it, you know, (Pause} not meaning to project<\/em>, but that\u2013 that\u2019s what it looks like to me. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The March, uh, April aspect and through the end of the year, when Pluto goes opposition to natal Uranus is a time of crystallization of the Uranian or Christ forces, looking at it from another, from your paranormal factors. There\u2019ll be paranormal faculties that should come into crystallization at that time. (Tape edit) The crystallization initiated there results in formations that come about in 1991 and 1992, when transiting Pluto reaches an opposition of your natal sun. Uh, it\u2019s always a\u2013 a fantastic<\/em> impact and a total change of the life pattern, it brings you into ultimate<\/em>achievements at those\u2013 through those years. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

That\u2019s about as far uh, as I can go on the uh, transits and progressions of the chart. If uh, you will run this to the end of the tape, uh, I\u2019ll turn the tape over and give you some of the comparative analyses of yourself with uh, the countries that you are involved with. If you\u2019ll run this tape to the end, uh, and then turn it.<\/p>\n

End of Side 1<\/strong><\/p>\n

Side 2<\/strong><\/p>\n

I just note that I failed to give you the regressions in the chart. The regressed Venus is coming to a conjunction of the natal Fortuna, a Part of Fortune, in 1977. The regressed sun coming to conjunction of the natal moon, which is like a progressed new moon, uh, so there\u2019s a new start, a new beginning in 1977, which is of a very lovely nature. Has to do with the emotional pattern, before the end of \u201977. Transiting Neptune\u2013 Uh\u2013 The emotional pattern with you is different than most people, I realize that, I should say, the lunar<\/em> pattern, which is the emotions, it is the reflective, it is the uh\u2013 (Tape edit) I should modify the term reflective. The moon is a reflector, but it is able to reflect whatever is projected into it. So the progressed new moon in the chart enables you to project through your personality, through females around you, through emotional contacts, uh, the intense patterns that the sun or the self or the high spirit form would choose to initiate, so it\u2019s quite a nice pattern. Transiting Neptune\u2013 Excuse me, regressed Neptune conjunct Jupiter, which is uh, a fantastic aspect, as far as land, property, and so forth. It gives you a foundation of wealth<\/em> for this family that they\u2019re not going to realize, but it\u2019s going to be very, very tremendous in its operative \u201977 and \u201978. That\u2019s a very powerful aspect coming as a regression, and it has, uh\u2013 last for about a year to a year-and-a-half, two years. So over that period of time, you have a tremendous building period. It\u2019s also a beginning point, because it\u2019s a conjunction. (Pause) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Right, now looking at the Guyana independence chart from May 26, 1966, this is a solar chart. Uh, those who gave the independence did not intend it to take. I would say that, at the time they gave it, a\u2013 (Pause) an overthrow was planned<\/em> at the inception, but it wasn\u2019t, uh\u2013 it was sidetracked<\/em> by whatever they did in uh, February of \u201970. It was deterred, and how they did it, I don\u2019t know, but uh, this initial chart would not have held, the May 26 chart would not\u2019ve held<\/em> without the uh, changing to the cooperative republic in\u2013 in February of 1970, at which time they came into (Pause) a much more fixed pattern, a much stronger\u2013 a much stronger chart. They were working on a dream in May of \u201966, but they began to deal with reality in February of 1970. (Pause) (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

In looking at comparative charts, we generally only go by uh, conjunctions for very strong patterns. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Your progressed\u2013 uh, your natal uh, Uranus, Venus and the (unintelligible word) are all conjunct\u2013 Venus in the Guyana independence chart, which gives you a basic harmony with the country. Your sun conjunct their Mars (Pause) agitates, then you bring a light to them, and it spurs them into more activity than they would\u2019ve otherwise taken. You\u2019re able to utilize and correct the deceptions in their Mars opposition Neptune.<\/p>\n

Now, that is a very critical aspect in the Guyana independence chart. Mars opposition Neptune in the individual<\/em>chart would give you a person uh, who about every year would boycott their own plan, would vacate or abdicate their position. Uh\u00ad\u2013 It\u2019s read in the occult sense as the individual opposing the uh, Holy Spirit, or personal desire as opposing divine will, or uh, (Pause) one refusing to uh, be bossed in any way, one who\u2013 who doesn\u2019t accept authority<\/em> in any way. In other words, whoever is in authority becomes the enemy<\/em>, regardless of\u2013 uh, they may be your best friend, but if tomorrow if they become the person in authority, they become your enemy. We\u2019ve had this in the chart of a few people in that, uh, they seem to bolt, they get into hysterical patterns about every six months, and ev\u2013 every two years, they usually completely vacate their pattern. And (unintelligible name) was one of those people that has that aspect in his chart. They become actually hysterical<\/em> when this\u2013 when Mars reaches the opposition point or the square every uh, six months to a year on these patterns. So this was a great weakness in the natal chart of the Guyana independence. Your sun coming into conjunction of that Mars, you\u2019re able to utilize the Neptune, and they\u2019re not<\/em>, so\u2013 because of your own development, you\u2019re able to utilize Neptune, because when it\u2019s brought into high socialist<\/em>, then it becomes a positive aspect, but if it\u2019s uh, used in a capitalist way in any<\/em> sense or in a selfish way in any<\/em> sense, then it\u2019s a very demolishing<\/em> aspect, and we say, it\u2019s a whirlpool aspect, you are pulled to the bottom of the whirlpool. They would\u2019ve been sucked to the bottom of a whirlpool and just \u2013 poof! \u2013 out. That would\u2019ve been the end. Uh, you counter that. Your sun coming into that aspect counters their problem in that area. Also, your Mars with their moon, you\u2019re able to change the images that they would project for the country. You\u2019re able to modify the plans, and they\u2013 they will reflect, actually, your<\/em> plans ultimately. So that\u2019s very favorable in the Guyana independence chart for you, uh, a cooperative republic chart February 23, 1970. (Tape edit) Within eight years of the time of that chart, Venus regresses to a conjunction of the sun, so that in 1978, uh, there\u2019s a very beautiful modification in the government of Guyana, and something very favorable or very beneficial to this government in 1978. You might say, a new child is born in the country, and it isn\u2019t necessarily a person. It may be a way of life or something, I don\u2019t know. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

In the cooperative republic chart, you become a friend of the people. Your Saturn falls in the eleventh house of that chart. Your Mars activates their fixed square. They would\u2019ve had done a lot of talking, but it would\u2019ve taken them a long time to do things with uh, your chart coming into activation here. It just spurred them on, probably increased this speed tremendously, with your Neptune opposition and natal sun conjunct the Earth of Guyana, you literally program this country from here on out. And that\u2019s where that\u2019s at. Your Neptune conjunct the Earth of the cooperative republic. You do<\/em> set the pattern, and that will continue as long as you choose. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

\u2013 provided the birth data, the February 20, 1923 date listed in the uh\u2013 (Tape edit) Who\u2019s Who in the World<\/em>, from which I got Forbes Burnham\u2019s data, if that date is correct, then (unintelligible) there would be this type of connection between you. Very, very heavy karmic pattern, your Saturn conjunct his Venus, your Uranus, Venus and the (unintelligible word) conjunct his Mars moon. There\u2019s a strong emotional pattern on his part. (Pause) He would be intensely attracted to you. (Pause) (Tape edit) Your Jupiter Pluto conjunct his Pluto, enables you to (Pause) help him to maintain his kingdom, which he wouldn\u2019t otherwise be able to do. (Pause) Your Mars conjunct his Neptune is extremely powerful, and your Neptune opposition, his sun is a Svengali-Trilby aspect, with you being Svengali and him being Trilby. That\u2019s the\u2013 I\u2019m sure you recall, the story of the famous singer and her director who psychically was able to totally control her, and this is an aspect of psychic control, should you choose to exercise it, it\u2019s there in the chart, he\u2019s very much aware of it, whether he consciously knows it or not, it\u2019s\u2013 he\u2019s very, very subject to it. (Tape edit) He would love you as a friend, but he might not like to admit it, but that would be his feeling toward you. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Looking at the chart of the Grenada independence, February 7, 1974\u2013 (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Uh, there was one thing I failed to mention on the Guyana cooperative republic chart. Uh\u2013 (Tape edit) Beg your pardon, it\u2019s on the Guyana independence chart, there was one very tremendous aspect in that chart. Uranus and Pluto were conjunct in 15 and 16 degrees of Virgo. That was uh\u2013 (Tape edit) On page 21 of my text material in the white uh, booklet, I make mention, so Uranus (unintelligible word) a meeting with Pluto in aspect liberates the needs and desires of the masses. In adverse aspects, this is a breaking-up of fixed conditions. Witness the razing of old building before the construction of the new, except that with Uranus and Pluto, the old degree would be fused right into the new temple. The old is demolished and is put into the new. At the time of the formation of the Guyana independence, May 26, 1966, was at the time of the Uranus-Pluto conjunction. I see\u2013 I continue in the text material on page 21. As we have previously stated, that we accept the final square as the closing or dissolution point, we call your attention to the final square of Uranus and Aries in Pluto\u2013 (Pause) In Aries, and Pluto in Cancer, which occurred in 1930-31 charts. Theoretically, this should\u2019ve begun the breaking and demolition of the old desire and need patterns of the masses, in order that a new<\/em> desire and need pattern could be established at the time of the next conjunction, which has recently occurred. It seems this has just happened. Dear old Terra has known a decrystallization period of fantastic perca\u2013 proportions since the 30s. Even the natives of primitive peoples through the work of the Plutonian Albert Schweitzers have felt this cataclysmic activity. It has operated at every level of Earth life.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s interesting to note that the Guyana independence actually set the pattern uh, for the future plan of the uh\u2013 (Pause) with\u2013 with their uh, socialistic pattern. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Eric Gairy is still prime minister of Grenada, (clears throat) then you have a powerful uh, aspect pattern with that chart, (pause) moreso than with the independent country of Grenada. Their independence chart of February 7, uh, 1974 gives you karmic ties, but not of the strength and not of the quantitive aspects that you show in connection with Guyana and its leaders. (Tape edit) You have powerful connections with the chart of Fidel Castro, giving you a powerful ally with that person. (Tape edit) I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve met with him directly or not, but uh, (pause) he becomes a powerful ally to you, if you choose to make the connection. Uh\u2013 (Tape edit) There is incidentally danger to him in foreign travel this coming year. (Pause) He should stay out of the United States, and he might decide to go there. But he should stay the hell away from there. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The U.S. chart holds a couple of aspects for you, but does not have\u2013 I would say, that in dealing with U\u2013 United States, you\u2019re dealing with personages rather than with the country. Your progressed aspects may at some time come into total contact with it, I do think in the uh\u2013 in the future, you will either be<\/em> in the position of being ruler of that country, or will appoint someone to that position. But uh\u2013 (Pause) there will be factors that will have changed U.S. chart greatly by that time. I would have to do an awful lot of work to find out just when that would be. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

The United Nations chart that was signed June 26, 1945. You have some contacts with it, but uh, I don\u2019t know. The chart\u2019s undergoing a lot of stress. (Pause) Uh\u2013 If it survives 1980, then it\u2019ll probably have a reformation. (Tape edit) I don\u2019t think it\u2019s going to survive ultimately as it\u2019s presently structured. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

You have a couple of very strong connection with the Chinese Peoples Republic chart, (Pause) so there could be some friendship there for you. But uh, you do more\u2013 If you got involved with them, you would do more to change their\u2013 their pattern than anything else. (Tape edit)<\/p>\n

Harmonious aspects with the USSR chart, but I do<\/em> not think that uh, from the looks of the contact, that there\u2019s enough there to pull you to that point, so my personal feeling is that you are<\/em> going stay in Guyana, and that you will work from this uh, focal point, and that you will affect\u2013 or effect changes in the destiny of the world from<\/em> the country of Guyana, that you will not be in fact going to other countries.<\/p>\n

Uh\u2013 pro\u2013 A preliminary perusal of these charts is about all I\u2019ve taken time to do. If you wanted any\u2013 for me to check out anything else, I would take time to do it. I\u2013 I don\u2019t know what else you\u2019d be interested in knowing. But this concludes the (Pause) uh, reading as assigned at this point. Thank you.<\/p>\n

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