Q243 Transcript

Transcript prepared by Fielding M. McGehee III. If you use this material, please credit The Jonestown Institute. Thank you.

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Jones: If you will listen to Father’s teachings, you won’t have to worry about anything, Ocause you’re safe from all harm. (Tape turns off for undetermined time) Everybody better know that person. You understand what I’m saying? If you got somebody that’s doing illegal, immoral, and treacherously anti-socialist acts, you better not try to solve it over in the corner, because they can pull the wa — the — the wool over the whole of the rest of the society’s eyes. (Aside) You can sit down, it’s all right, you don’t have to keep standing. They can — You can — They can pull the wool over everybody’s eyes. But when it’s done in a — everything is done in the open, everything that’s secret is made known, (tape turns off for two seconds) people see for themselves, then at least we are more capable of watching and observing and seeing that people do not try to hurt or mock in this great work. They won’t stop us. They won’t stop us. Destiny has made us the way — nothing else but destiny could have brought us thus far.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: No way could we have gotten across the seas and built a community, so I’m not concerned, but you must follow rules, you must listen to them. It’s for your benefit. Child that got back, the last one out there, we don’t know what particularly is wrong with him. But his temperature was immediate, upgrade in temperature. So please, for Christ’s sakes, listen to the rules. And he should be glad — we captured him three times — he should be glad it was us, and not somebody else.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: There are people out there who are bounty-hunters. I mean, they get so much for delivering a body, (deliberate) alive, slave to Venezuela. (Pace picks up again). You understand what I’m saying?

Crowd: Yes.

Jones: So we have no problem here. They’ll not come in here, because they’ll never move in an American community if we stay where we belong, and they will not operate in the — in the ni — in the daytime. But if you get out, and in those trees, and the forests where they operate in the daytime too, unless s — you are a group, and you always must be a group when you’re out there in the trees. You understand what I’m saying?

Crowd: Yes.

Jones: Everybody got that clear?

Crowd: Yes.

Jones: Children, know also that any school discipline problems will be handled, regarding referrals to uh, public service.

Soft voice in crowd.

Jones: Hmm? It’s a group of teachers — just — of children are going get the benefit of, of, who is it, the name For — is the name Ford, is what I mean?

Soft voice in crowd.

Jones: Hmm? (Pause) The administrator plus two counselors will be enough to send any child to public services. You understand?

Crowd: (Murmurs) Yes.

Jones: And as I told my son John [Victor Stoen], I don’t care how old — how old you are, you’ll go, if certain behavior doesn’t change. That’s the way I feel about it. (Reads from card) “Remind your chur — your children of dangers of wandering.” Yes, well, that’s — (short laugh) I just covered that. “Entering bruce [brush?] unaccompanied by adults and running away.” If this doesn’t remind you enough, I don’t know what to do for you. If what the Russian — if you don’t believe it — listen, listen to our conspirators. They haven’t taped up so our — we’ve got our conspirator on tape. Let him — let him — his voice be taped. (Struggles for words) They’ve got it in there. (Pause) What is it?

Soft voice in crowd.

Jones: Can’t get it. Can you — can you try to work on it to try to get the volume up?

Soft voice in crowd.

Jones: Hear our — hear our conspirator. He — one of them — hired — was hired by uh, Mertles [Elmer and Deanna Mertle, who changed their names to Al and Jeannie Mills after defection]. He said he was out there — he — he admits, and he knew too, the chap who came in, he was — absolutely true, he do — he knew who came in, (voice become confident) he said they had mortar aimed at — so that they could have pulverized our main buildings. But then he knew he’d been had. (Pause) He got to watching a — older people, he had a microscope — ah, not a microscope, uh, binoculars, very high caliber, and he said, “I looked and saw smiling faces,” he said, s — “I felt I’d been had.” (Pause) He said money was important to him, but it wasn’t important enough to kill people — wake up, sir. (Gently) Wake up, now, please. He said it wasn’t enough — important to him to kill innocent people. OCause he thought he was coming in here, they told him all those lies, that he’d find nothing but — that he’d find barbed wire, and sentries and 300 armed men. He thought he was coming in here, gonna to fight — have to fight a war. He said, when I came in here, all I found was children, happy children, and plenty of happy seniors, as far as the faces he could see. So he went back, and then he stepped forward, and has become our chief witness. That’s why we’re getting the worm turning now, he said. The chief witness. He was brought in on the early days. [Joe] Mazor. Remember Mazor. I spoke quite often of him. He’s a detective. And uh, he’s got — he got a lot of juice. And he achieved a great deal for us already. Anybody have any questions (struggles for words) —

Soft voice in crowd.

Recording of Joe Mazor played for crowd for few seconds before tape turns off for undermined time.

Jones: — was coming in here to kill people. (Pause) Dead or alive. You know, there — there’s the conspirator, the head detective that did all their hiring. He was the chief he — he was the head of the unit that was laying out there in the wo — in the woods, bothering us for those seven days [of White Night].

Woman: (voice fades in) exactly true, because he heard the voices ah — coming over the — the — our radio and stuff (fades away)

Jones: Of course, I said somebody’s out there. I’da been a dummy if I didn’t think somebody’s out there. Was highly unprophetic if I didn’t get that, that doesn’t prove any prophecy, Jesus Christ, all you had to look and see that somebody was out there.

Crowd: (scattered) That’s right.

Jones: So it wasn’t a matter of prophecy. I — I can prophecy — It was just a matter of looking. Bullets were coming from someplace.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: Those uh, men that we saw, one man with a, about a dozen of us agreed on the color of the clothing, I don’t remember now who, uh (struggles for words) — what did you say?

Voice in crowd too soft.

Jones: And he said — and he said black too. That’s what this man said. Black. For we haven’t told him anything about black. He said he was in there wearing black. (Pause) It’s on there. It’s on there. Anybody have any questions? Please teach your children well now. Teach them and warn them, it’s also the rainy season, still, uh, two months longer than it’s supposed to be, and uh, snakes will come in, but [if] they mind and do what they’re supposed to do, and stay in the pathways, got no trouble. And we’ve seen the tigers come in the adjacent property and kill every dog and every sheep, and never one of ours have ever been attacked. I say that’s a miracle.

Crowd: Right. (Applause)

Jones: I’m not happy about anyone dying, but I’m certainly glad that no tiger attacked any of our people.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: And a man the other day, just down the road, reached down — reached in for his shoes, and he got bit by one of those, those killing-type snakes. What was it, sister, you had your hand up there?

Voice in crowd too soft.

Jones: That — I — I guess I did, I did warn him about mortar fire, yeah. That would have been revelation, Ocause I knew nothing of that. But, uh, he knows all about it. He knows all about the assassination on my — he — Ocause he coulda been very well the one that tried to do it. I don’t know, but he’s in our camp now. Say, how do you know? We make him sign affidavits (unintelligible phrase) people. We trust him no further than his — he — he writes affidavits, and b — under penalty of perjury, and he has sworn under penalty of perjury, in black and white, that he was settin’ out there, ready to kill as many as he needed to kill, to get however few back to the United States he could get. And the man — man not gone say that under penalty of perjury, unless he means what he’s saying.

Crowd: Right.

Jones: But when you sign something under penalty of perjury, it’s about five years in the — in the jail. You can be thankful that he paused and he said, something — something made him see, he said, that — this — this — there was a new look, he said, that people had a new look, and that was Father’s look that he’s seeing.

Crowd: Right. (Applause)

Jones: Peace. He referred to a new look. And he said, I knew those people — those people were not as I had been told. So he packed up, but it took him a week of debating. Still took him a week. He wrestled with it for a week. So we should be really grateful for that, and as we go on our ways, peace be with you.

Crowd: (Applause)

Jones: Say what?

Low conversation in crowd.

Tape originally posted May 2000

Originally posted on June 16th, 2013.

Last modified on March 26th, 2014.
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