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(Note: This tape was one of the 53 tapes initially withheld from public disclosure.)
Jones: the hell theyre doing. [What] The fucks going on? (Pause) (Undertone) Goddamn my life. (Normal tone) Gardens, Jim Simpson.
Pause while mike moves
Simpson: Uh, we dont have no problem, Dad, but uh, since (unintelligible phrase) within the last two weeks now, Im going got things going over that in my green situation is going to be coming off where we Were Starting tomorrow, Im going to pick some greens, and from there on, about three times a week well have them, and plus, maybe sometimes gonna be about four times a week where theyll have em.
Jones: (Murmurs) (Unintelligible word), thats good.
Simpson: And Im going to have them planted in rotation where if theyre going to come off just as soon as one bunch go off, therell be another bunches coming on. And thats the way its gonna be run.
Jones: I sure appreciate that, friend.
Simpson: It will be.
Jones: Those greens will take care of a lot of our mouth problems and boils and so forth. (Sighs) Very, very helpful. Use the Vitamin C, as I said, but use it sparingly. Uh, you know, use it where its necessary. I want the I want the health, but its going to be difficult to restock things. Bananas. Danny [Moten].
(Pause while mike moves)
Danny: Uh, I too, uh, put in for a request for a change, Dad, but uh, uh, I uh, decided against it tonight.
Lee Ingram: (off mike) As of now or
Jones: Well, really any difference when. It would be ridiculous. You are one of the more experienced in it. Why would you want to change for?
Danny: Well, I I (Pause) I had my uh, ups and downs in the uh, bananas, and the uh, uh, lot of it I deserved with the uh, criticism that Ive been getting and uh, a a lot that we did not deserve. I felt we did not deserve in the criticism we got as a as a crew as a whole. I felt they had been working hard in some instances and in other instances, I I know that we have been letting down quite a bit, and I have also. And uh It seems to every It seems that we have got a reputation, every time somethings read or somebody says something, that were the slowest in the bunch, and uh, every time were on the floor, it it reflects, and its been that way ever since, and its its been bothering me quite a bit that way, and I thought, well, if I can get out, it may pick up the crew someway. Ah, but
Jones: (matter-of-factly) Thats bullshit, Danny. Thats bullshit, and you know thats bullshit. (stumble over words) You really What you shouldve said in so many words is, my image I thought was being affected, and so I want to quit. And thatd been one sentence, and thatd been it. Because you in other words, your paranoia was too far at work because you dont have that image in the first place. But you what you could have finished in one sentence: My image I I think is being affected, so I want to quit.
Lee: (off mike) Is that right, Danny?
Danny: Thats true, Dad.
Jones: Sgo. (stumbles over words) Whats the problem now?
Jones: Whats the breakthroughs, or whats the problems?
Danny: N Everything seems be running uh, fairly well, we uh, removed another windrow and uh, uh, of banana trees, about a hundred and seventy-four trees uh, today, which is going to affect somewhat our production of bananas uh, intake. Uh, but were planting them as fast as we can, so when they come in, when they start to uh, yield bananas, we were going to pick up quite a bit more, cause they uh the banana trees we removed have suckers as well, so it means double the production in trees as as we plant. (Pause)
Jones: Thank you. (Pause) Thank you. Herbal gardens. (Pause) Shift. (Pause)
(Pause while mike moves)
Jones: Lets go. Lets go. Herbal gardens.
Shirley: Excuse me. Dad? Ah, we found something called godocola (phonetic), which is ah, the herb for to preserve a long life. (Laughs) And uh
Jones: Burn it.
Shirley: Yeah, right.
Crowd: Applause and scattered laughs.
Lee: (off mike) Can you just give your report quickly, and dont go into (unintelligible word).
Jones: No, Im just teasing. You know, we need it. We gotta stay alive. We owe that to the revolution. We owe that to the revolution. You found something for long life?
Shirley: And its also good for a lot of medical things. Were working on it now.
Jones: Well, Im glad about the other medical things, too.
Shirley: Yeah. Yeah.
Lee: (off mike) (unintelligible) your brain.
Shirley: It Its a uh, blood purifier
Jones: Whats it do?
Lee: (off mike) (unintelligible) your brain.
Jones: Well, I can stand that.
Shirley: Its a brain food, um, memory improvement
Jones: Yeah, I need that.
Jones: So does So do you. I dont know that I need it
Jones: Look at this audience out there on the news.
Shirley: Yeah, really.
Jones: When you give it to them, Shirley, then, I want to know the night you give it, so therell be no excuses. Everybodyll then remember everything.
Crowd stirs, applause
Shirley: (Laughs) Okay. What were trying to do Yeah. What were trying to do now is transplant it and get it up into the herb garden. We were just given some more land by the analyst last night, and were gonna make it in larger amounts so that everyone will be able to have some.
Jones: Okay. Good.
Shirley: And um, we found some cactus this week on our land thank you, Dad were working on that for food, you know, its um, cooking it up.
Shirley: And um Like I said, we had the um we were given some more land and were going to work real hard on, on working on that.
Jones: Thats good. Thank you so much.
Shirley: Thank you.
Jones: Peanuts? What? Good.
Woman: I have a question. (Pause) Stephan [Jones], go ahead.
Woman: Um Whats the status of the research on kelp? Its a very important source of iodine and good for uh, many, many things, and I know you were supposed to ask Davis [probably Soloman] what research hes doing in town. And also, is Pauline Groot working with you, because she has an interest in the cultivation and the uh, harvesting of it. I just want to We need it
Jones: Can we just answer that quickly, and uh, get to Pauline, and there she is, uh (mumbles)
Male: (off mike) (unintelligible) Youre wondering, is Pauline working, yes or no, right? Pauline working yes or no, right?
Unknown woman: Thank you.
Male: (off mike) She said yes.
Jones: She Fine, yes, ah, please, yes, folks, Im in misery. (Pause)
Male: (off mike) Only suggestion I have to the (unintelligible) committee, when they cook up their stuff, as they find, before you bring it to the office, that Dad have somebody else taste it first.
Another male: Well, shit, why dont they taste it first?
Male: (off mike) Yeah, right.
Jones: Kelp. What about this kelp, she said? (Pause)
Male: (off mike) Yeah, okay.
Jones: Yeah, I dont need to be experimenting, if you want to (Pause) These days particular.
Woman: Taste We taste it, Dad, before we send it
Unknown male: Dont be defensive. Come on.
Woman: Move on.
Several voices echo.
Jones: Kelp. Kelp kelp kelp kelp.
Shirley: Pauline has has worked on the kelp uh, information before. Davis uh, found out that there was no kelp available in Georgetown, and he suggested that we go to Mon Repose (phonetic) to check on the kelp situation there.
Jones: Go to where?
Shirley: Mon Repose. (Pause) Is that outside of Georgetown? (Pause) Where is it? I dont know anything more about it than that.
Several voices stir
Woman in crowd: Jan? Where? Its on the east coast.
Jones: Kelp? (voice trails off)
Shirley: Seaweed. A seaweed, and it has a good source of iodine.
Jones: Well well, why would you have to go to Georgetown? The whole fuckin oceans full of it.
Male: (Off mike) Davis goes back and forth (unintelligible)
Several voices stir. Slight feedback
Jones: There must be something wrong here. Please, radio, check this. Oh, you can reach down and get kelp anywhere. (Pause) (Whistles into mike) Lets go, lets go, lets go. Thank you. What what is it?
Man in crowd: I was going to say, Mon Repose is about an hour about a 45-minute drive form Georgetown. So its its nothing (fades out)
Jones: Okay. Well, lets get kelp. I dont think you have to go that far to get kelp. Lets go. Herbal gardens. Or what is it? Chap Jeffery, Comrade, go ahead.
Eartis Jeffery: Uh, Dad, since I started taking over yesterday fully for peanuts, we been doing good, so we weed it and and (unintelligible word) peanuts now, so we doing fine for the last day and a half.
Jones: Uh, but you got peanut butter, you, uh, gave, that was good peanut butter, wherever it was made up from that peanut butter.
Jeffery: Uh, J Jack made that up
Jones: Well, its good.
Jeffery: (unintelligible under interruption) share a few peanuts from last time, but uh
Jones: Lets get that going, cause thats rich in protein, very good nutritious food.
Jeffery: Okay. Thank you, Dad.
Jones: Very, very good for the body.
Jeffery: Okay. Thank you.
Jones: Sirel. (Phonetic) Bricks and soap.
Man: All right, this is Sirel, all were doing is uh, maintenance, we got a little little problem with some uh, (pause) I I although we think its fungus, I want want to and but and we been spraying for it, and uh, as far as the bricks, uh, weve got uh, I think it was, since out last report, we made uh, two hundred and one bricks, and were trying to get some more uh, help with that, and were uh, got all our construction materials now to finish off our, our uh, brick-building for this section, and we need Now were ready to go to the soap um, and construct the uh, build soap building, so that we can get that started. But we so far we dont have any materials for it now. (Pause) Uh, no wood, that is, uh, you know, we have to have to go glean it out of our uh, ac acquisitions system. (Pause)
Jones: Whats he saying?
Male: (Off mike) (unintelligible sentence about soap)
Jones: Well, can we get it? I You know soap and bricks is one of the things thats so essential.
Woman: We need a
Male: (Off mike) (unintelligible sentence about materials)
Jones: Can he get the goddamn please, lets move the obstacles out of the way.
Male: (Off mike) He hasnt, so when are you going to Youre going to start on it tomorrow?
Man: When So what So what your question?
Another male: Are you going to start on it tomorrow? Or when are you going to start it?
Man: Yes, well, I been working on all of it all along.
Male: (Off mike) Whats next on the agenda? Whats next on the agenda?
Male: Um The only problem that I have um Theres two problems. One, the weather, which, you know, cant help that. And then the other problem is, it seems like out in our fields, whenever we dump fertilizer or shell, they the piles lay. And so as a result, they become uh, you know, an an obstacle for the tractors and theyre harder to take care of. And besides that, um, it seems like the rain leeches them down quite a bit. So what Id like Id like to make a suggestion before everybody that um, if we to centralize the shell, and then, they only put on off the trailer what they can use. You know, take it right off of the trailer and put it right on where theyre going to use it, and then the rest of it they take back and put in the central pile. Or we make um take some poles and make like a central bin, and each filled, out of the way of all the tractors and, you know, store the fertilizer or the shell or whatever is there. Cause Ive got uh, one filled now that, theres a big pile of shell out of the middle of it, and its got to be moved before the tractors go on it. So, you know, thats thats actually my only problem right now.
Another voice: Well take care of it, (unintelligible name; "Natalie"?)
Male: Yeah, we can take care of that.
Male: The next item is natural insecticide.
Jones: Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. The There was a question here, and someone mentioned back there to me, the question, what what about is it true that your bulldozer has been delayed? I want to clear this matter up, because public image of uh, uh, affecting your efficiency, and we need to be concerned about our efficiency image, that you are delayed in getting started. And then when your Dad does say (unintelligible word) Now theres one thing you kids children, all of you, mine included. You must not rebel against your parents in a public arena. (Pause)
One voice: Thats true.
Jones: If they are in a leadership role. (Tape edit) You follow what Im saying.
Jones: We must not do it. You got to do it privately. (Pause) Is it true that you argue with your dad for arguments sake over everything?
Mike Touchette: Um Ive thought
Jones: I It was said to me last night (stumbles over words)
Mike: Uh I give him a hard time, yes.
Lee: Well, thats arguing for arguments sake, right?
Jones: (Drinks) Is it true that uh, that on one morning the bulldozer was one oclock getting out in the getting out, when we you you know the pattern of the rain, and why we why was it if it was so?
Mike: (Stumbles over words) Its tr Its true and I have no
Jones: I know it was true, but I Why was it?
Mike: I I was just Theres no excuse. I was I was sleeping.
Jones: Well, what in the hell? You guys have arrangement for alternate duties. (Pause) This is dangerous, about going these long hours, then taking your s your time. You You miss You miss the whole purpose of, of planning and construction. (Pause) You denied this stoutly before, you denied this. What the hell uh Was Al Wasnt Al Simon supposed to cover so that the that the bulldozer was never to be uh, inoperable, or inactive. (Pause) (tape edit) Now what time did you go to bed that would re justify you be uh, starting at midday at one oclock.
Mike: I dont I I finally got to bed that morning probably about 2:30 or three, and I didnt go to sleep till probably around 5:30 or six. And there is theres not Lee talked to me, I I happen to hear what you said over the radio that day, and I was uh Lee talked to me about it, and I told Lee un under no circumstances would it happen again. And then I I fin
Jones: Fine. Well, I never heard any feedback on it. I never heard any feedback from you. Another thing you people need to do (Pause) Uh, (unintelligible name; "Seth?"), by the way, youre dropping stuff ob observers report Secretaries. Those should be given directly to me in my hand (Pause) and told me what they are. Uh, I found these goddamn observers reports, the most tight in security, uh, where everybody couldve seen them. Im talking Tim [Borl] Jones, uh, uh, day, no, night. No, Tim Jones Night. Sat observer, particular observer report. Thats not work observers. That shit should never be laying around. I found it laying around on a desk. So you give it to me. I dont know which secretary is responsible for that, but you you give it to me.
Low male voice: (unintelligible phrase) supposed to give them to Calvin [Douglas] to give them directly to you.
Jones: Well, Calvin didnt Uh, this one didnt get do given directly to me.
Low male voice: (Unintelligible)
Jones: Cause I found it.
Low male: Theyre wrong.
Jones: Okay. Whichever one. Calvin and whichever. I dont care. Whoever it is, theyre theyre wrong. And I didnt hear anything about this. Lee shouldve seen it. I l learned of your humility. I heard nothing of it.
Mike: I I take the responsibility, cause I was planning to come up to you and tell you about it, but I I just I didnt do it. Its my fault. (unintelligible as microphone turns off and on) my place to come up and tell you, since it was the accusation was again you know, it was to me, and not, you know, to Lee. So it, you know
Jones: Right. Right.
Lee: Well, since Well, since Im coordinator, I do coordinate the uh, Cats, I shouldve gone to you, because it was a public It was It was It was put over the P.A. system, so I shouldve gone directly to you. So I was in error.
Jones: And they were How did it get there at one oclock? You shoulda been rising he raising hair [hell] with him being there at one oclock. (Unintelligible) a bulldozer inoperable. Did those in the farm analyst (unintelligible word) complain about it being inoperable, when we needed all the drive we could use, and had no other time, did you guys go to the coordinator to complain? (Pause) [Gene] Chaikin, did you go to anybody and complain of
Low voice too soft.
Jones: Whats that?
Low voice too soft.
Chaikin: No, I didnt go to the coordinator to complain, Dad. No, I did not. I did not.
Jones: Okay, now, which one of the farm analyst did it, because I we brought it to my attention it was brought to my attention as if it was your complaint? And that you give mouth to Charlie [Touchette] when he talked to you before about this kind of procedure in public. (Pause) Now somebody raised that complaint. I did not look for the bulldozer. I was too busy with radio strategy. So somebody raised that complaint. Is anybody in the whole damn secretarial staff know who it was? It was phoned in to me. But the coordinator ought to have known it. You ought to have known it, uh, if thats your responsibility, Lee, you shoulda known that that thing was not moving at one oclock.
Lee: Right, Dad (balance too soft)
Jones: Who raised the complaint? It was not you who raised the complaint, though, Lee. Somebody in that farm analyst raised the complaint.
Lee: I didnt say it was one of the analyst that I heard
Male: Thats what I Thats what I heard you say, that (unintelligible word as mike clicks on) they said it on the radio. I mean, over the intercom.
Lee: It was you, Gene.
Male: I heard it was you, too.
Jones: I think I did too. I think I I think I did hear it was him. But he he says, and I believe hes saying the truth, but somebody nailed him as doing it.
Several overlapping voices
Male: Hes talkin about Saturday.
Jones: He said you told her. Said you told
Carolyn Layton: You did tell me, right in that radio room porch, you said, that bulldozer has just now started up. It was one oclock in the afternoon, and Id like to know why it has been laying idle all morning.
Another man: (unintelligible words), Gene?
Chaikin: I told (Pause) I wouldve talked to you or somebody else about it, but I thought when you said raised the complaint, if I had written the note or something to Dad about it, which I did not do. And thats what I thought you were talking about.
Jones: Well, now, sure, man. If you make a comment like that, I would weigh your judgment and ask why.
Chaikin: I uh, had remembered conversation with her. I had not remembered saying that to her, but uh, uh, I very well could have.
Jones: Is it true, Charlie, in your opinion, does he uh, does he, uh, take disagreement with you and uh, over non-essential matters, or is that just other peoples observation?
Charlie: Uh, no, thats true. I dont think Mike has changed a bit towards his his attitudes towards me since especially when were talking about what hes doing with the Cat, his time at work, uh Off work, he and I have a fairly good talking relationship, when we do talk, but we dont talk often. Um But I know I cannot approach Mike I still cant approach him, cause Ill get a bunch of crap from him. Id also like to say, while Im here, as I dont think Gene was right in not approaching Mike. I dont think he shouldve gone to Carolyn. When he saw the goddamn machine had set, he shouldve gone and found somebody to find out why it was sitting. (Pause) Im going to take part of the blame for it, too, because I knew that it wasnt right, that it was sitting there, and I (pause) uh, also saw I also saw Al Simon over on the shake mill, and uh, I have enough knowledge to know that theres a driver and theres a bulldozer, and by God, they could be working regardless of where Mike was.
Unknown male: Yeah. Yeah.
Charlie: So Im going to take part of the blame why the bulldozer didnt run that day myself. It it makes no difference whether Im the coordinator of the machine or not, I know that there was I knew that something was wrong, and I shouldve corrected it.
Jones: Thats true but they Lee, you got to take in you got to take initiative and not back off, uh, because uh, he would be this uh, coordinators son, which I dont think you would be, or that he was white. I dont think that would be But But why did you not notice it was one oclock?
Lee: Um I just had I I had not paid any attention to it
Jones: Well, are are you the coordinator of the son of a bitch?
Lee: Yes, I am, Dad.
Jones: He hadnt taken any notice of it.
Lee: Thats Im Earlier that I had not that day, no. I had not.
Jones: Well, if you coordinator, you have to take it you have to take notice of it every day. In spite of you of the fact that youre one of the few people wholl stay in that damn radio room. Uh, I its its gotta be done. Or, youre gonna have to have an uh, assistant, that uh thats delegated. Cause its not Charlies channel of responsibility. In that instance, it was yours.
Lee: Thats true.
Jones: Although somebody has to take an overall perspective. Yes, yes yes.
Male: I have a question, Lee. How many hours did the bulldozers work today, and where did they work?
Lee: I did not see All I know, they were working down in the rice field, I dont know how many hours they worked.
Marceline: If youre a coordinator, you ought to know that.
Male: Thats thats my point. Thats my point. You ought to know that.
Lee: Right. Youre right.
Woman: You should check their schedules ahead of time. Weve been trying to get them to schedule their work ahead of time. Its starting to get sunstruck here, but not too much yet.
Man: They worked all They worked all day today.
Woman: Good. Even though you were late.
Man: (Unintelligible word) They started the morning, it was about ten minutes to eight. About ten to eight, the motors were fired up. Cause we marked it. We walked by there and we saw We left here about 7:30, and we walked slowly up the road, and got down the road and went down there
Man: we figured it was about ten to eight, when they started up the motors. There was no motor running till ten to eight. There was
Jones: Ten till eight?
Jones: Those bulldozers are essential. Right now, youre one of the most essential part, while we still got something dry. You better be making hay while the sun shines. (Pause) And you have to have the outline uh, and organized tightly, Lee. (Pause) But when a person is in their capacity at work, do not respond to them. Do not take the liberty to respond to them as relative. (Pause) You understand? Okay.
Stephan: Could I just Could I just I think it works both ways. I think Mike has changed a little bit. I dont think thats fair. I still thay say Mike and its and hes not
Jones: Listen, you just disputed me.
Stephan: I didnt dispute you.
Jones: Yes, you did.
Unintelligible male voice
Stephan: Shut up. Fuck you.
Jones: Dont. Now dont You just disputed me. (Pause) You dont think thats fair. I just said what was the meaning of it. Now, you watch how you word things.
Stephan: What Charlie said Charlie said that Mike hadnt changed
Jones: Well, well, then, you clarify what youre saying, because I got to watch I got people looking for anarchy in any quarter.
Stephan: Well, I wasnt talking about you.
Jones: All right. All right. But dont tell somebody to shut up. (Pause) Dont tell me, shut up. (Pause) Have you (unintelligible word)?
Marceline: Why, thats right. You shouldnt tell any (unintelligible)
Jones: Gotta take the heat.
Marceline: They think theyre (unintelligible as mike moves), you should make it clear that youre not disputing your disputing Dad.
Jones: Not Dad. It isnt Dad now.
Marceline: Well, Father, the leader. I know, but you (unintelligible under Jones) all of us, the reason I called you Dad.
Jones: The office.
Voice in crowd: The office.
Jones: And now, how do you react to that? So I can uh, know that one day I can lay down in peace. (Pause)
Stephan: I I think thats right, I But
Jones: Okay, now
Stephan: All I was I All I didnt even feel that I was arguing with you.
Jones: Okay, now, thats fine. You were wrong, you were wrong, you youre wrong, youre wrong for saying shut up to this man over here, whoever it was, I dont even know.
Stephan: I didnt even know it was a man. All I heard was Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Jones: I dont know who it was either. Doesnt matter, does it? Does it matter whether it was a man or a woman?
Stephan: It sure doesnt.
Stephan: If it was a man, he woulda got it worse.
Woman: (low voice)
Jones: No, somebody said something over there.
Stephan: But I I didnt I honestly thought (unintelligible under Jones)
Jones: But the point was, you were wrong to say shut up, right?
Stephan: Right. I was wrong.
Jones: Okay. (Pause) (Sighs)
Stephan: (voice too low)
Jones: No. No, dont do that. (Pause) No, no, dont do that.
Marceline: Well, you go ahead, and do what you were doing. (Pause)
Stephan: All I was saying is, is that I didnt think it was fair what Charlie said, because, I feel that Mike has changed. But I still feel that Mike is not only contrary to Charlie, hes contrary to all of us, and we try to, you know
Another male: This is true.
Stephan: And hes naturally contrary. We had a little talk about it today, about how contrary he is, you know. And I said it that I thought I felt it was a good ingredient, but sometimes he overdid it. And uh, another thing, Charliell come up to Mike, and before Mikes even given a chance, he says, oh, Mikes going to give me shit and and like I heard, re you said a remark to Michelle [Touchette] when you were you were in the room the other day about, you know, you cant get nothing through to him or anything, you know. And I I dont think I dont think you want to give him a chance. And I know its a conflict between you two. And I think it works both ways. I think its mostly Mike. I know Mike is contrary as hell, when it comes to get trying to get him to do anything. And I dont think Im the only one that feels that way.
Jones: Well, you added a lot of wisdom. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Uh, the other day, when I walked in your room, and Charlie and everybody was there, and he he noticed it. Said, whats the matter with you? You were hostile to me, because of something I mentioned, which youve got to get over paranoia. When I talk about guns If I didnt trust you with guns, you wouldnt have no gun. Not a second. So I trust you with guns. But every time I make mention of guns, you guys give me static. Its not only you. Theres a lot of folk here, give me static. Guns can be stolen just by for animosity. Right?
Several voices assent, one starts to argue, unintelligible
Jones: And I will always talk about guns, but you you were obviously hostile to me when I walked in
Stephan: I wasnt hostile to you. I swear, I wasnt
Jones: Well Well, I Im sure Charlie mustve noticed it, (stumbles over words), there was some reaction. Well fuck Charlie, or not fuck Charlie.
Stephan: No, I I dont feel I was
Jones: You dont fuck Charlie.
Stephan: I was hostile, but I wasnt hostile to you.
Jones: well, uh, nobody wouldve known it. I walked out, I said, Ill leave you in peace. Ill leave you in peace. I deci
Stephan: Okay. I didnt feel Okay. Im sorry I gave you that impression, you know, uh Okay.
Jones: I understand your hostility, as a dad.
Stephan: I wasnt I was I swear I wasnt hostile.
Jones: But not in the office, I cant have it.
Stephan: I was hostile at the fact that theres security people running around here that could take the time and clean the fuckin weapons, and I get stuck with them, and then its always said to me, and I dont want the goddamn things in my room.
Jones: Well, no, then, fine. The The security people take care of cleaning the guns.
Stephan: And I dont feel And I honestly dont feel The reason Ive taken it on I dont feel that itll be done properly. Cause Ive seen em before.
Stephan: And I I And Im not do I Im not I cant break
(Jones and Mike talk over each other)
Jones: straighten it out. Either you want the guns cleaned someplace else, or you you dont. You dont think itll be done properly. What is it that theyre not doing properly?
Marceline: Why dont you teach them how, then? (Pause)
Stephan: Half these guns Ive never used hunting weapons before. Ive had to figure it out. And and I dont I feel they could do the same thing.
Jones: Thats not what you But you you you know they cant figure that out. Thats ridiculous. Youve already figured it out. So why dont you teach them?
Stephan: Okay. Okay.
Jones: What you have learned, you should be able to teach, rather than have them go experimenting at the expense of maybe a weapon.
Marceline: If you know how to do it, (unintelligible balance of sentence about teaching)
Jones: What is it?
Marceline: I said, if he knows how to do it, he should teach them.
Stephan: But the way I feel And its not Im not talking about the the the coordinators in charge of the security, because they have other things to to dispense, you know, duties and stuff, but the people (unintelligible under Jones interruption)
Jones: Who are you aiming it at? Who are you aiming it at?
Stephan: I dont really I dont know whos in charge exactly of the what would be the cleaning of the weapons, but I dont feel they think that, you know, you can clean it, like you can take your car wash car to the car wash every two weeks, but you gotta treat the I I feel you have to treat a gun like its, you know, a its a its a fragile toy.
Jones: All right, now, but that was that was not necessary, that trip you took was unnecessary. That still had nothing to do with three guns laying on the shelf when I come in there. And the people have access to your room.
Stephan: All Im saying
Jones: I know theres no bullet in it. I know they couldnt fire it. But they got people they got the people here theres some hostile people that would take those guns, throw them in a shithole, so we couldnt use them.
Crowd stirs in assent, light applause.
Stephan: Thats right.
Jones: Youre not youre not careless about laying weapons around thatve got bullets. Im not I want to make that clear. But you you you know what they did with your basketball, you know how you had to dig the uh, dig the basketball out of the shithole. (Pause) Did you not? I remember we had to dig your basketball out of a shithole. The one We only had one.
Jones: Plus you dug teeth out of the shithole, too, you are getting acquainted with shitholes, I must say.
Jones: But therere people here that will do that kind of stuff, just for the fun of it.
Stephan: Oh, I I know that, and I I okay.
Jones: If you know it, then you wont have the guns there anymore, will you?
Stephan: No, I certainly wont. I certainly wont. I dont want em there. I dont want the guns there.
Jones: Now, thats not the point.
Stephan: Okay, I wont
Jones: Youll have them locked up in the con in the convenience in which youre making there.
Stephan: (Softly) I havent
Jones: Okay. Cause if you can do the guns, then you should do them.
Stephan: But I dont feel its fair. I work I work (unintelligible under Jones) a workday, and then I have to clean the guns on top of it.
Jones: (short interruption unintelligible)
Stephan: I dont feel its fair.
Jones: Well, then, youll have to teach somebody how to do it. (Pause) Isnt that right?
Stephan: (Confrontational tone) Yeah.
Jones: So, whos going whos going to be there to see, that can learn with him. Now youre going to have to organize and structure that its done. (Pause)
Male in audience: (too soft)
Jones: Show Joe and who?
Man: (unintelligible name; sounds like "Johnny Carin")
Jones: You Youll show them.
Jones: To Tomorrow, you guys get on it, huh?
Stephan: Yeah. (Pause)
Jones: Okay, lets go on now.
Male: As far as that As far as that goes, anything that anything I can help him with, cause uh, Im just as at fault at re you know, being neglectful with the guns over there. And Ill help.
Jones: All right. All you living in there are. (Pause) Well, hes the one thats got em, so I gotta go to the person thats responsible. Sure, all of you are, in that house. Youd lock em up. Cause thats thats Grand Central Station, what I can see of it.
Several voices: Thats right.
Jones: Okay, (stumbles over words) Ive finished. Ive said all I had to say.
Lee: He said he said all hes got to say to you. (too soft)
Male: I just Ive I told Lee the other day when he come to me about this thing, about not starting up till one oclock, I told him, that under no circumstances would there would one of them be sitting idle. And it As far as starting up at ten to eight or whatever whatever they said time it was, is that it was uh I dont
Jones: Shift, please.
Lee: (too soft) a little after seven
Male: Yeah, I cant understand about the time, because we left here real close to seven. I mean, thats from what I remember of it.
Jones: You disagree with the mans statement that it was ten after eight.
Male: Yeah, because it was real close to seven. At least thats what I thought when we left.
Voice in crowd too soft.
Man: Cause I remem
Voices in crowd about time, unintelligible.
Jones: Well, you better synchronize the time. I thought somebody was supposed to synchronize the time, and tell us from radio (unintelligible word), uh, thats thats a joke. Uh, radio at night At night, radio, we could do it. From radio at night, and somebody could be the time synchronizer. They could synchronize that clock in there eve every night, radio. Will you do so?
Lee: Yes, Dad.
Charlie: Im not going to take the uh, apologize or take the heat off the bulldozer operators at all for the time today, but I know that weve got one hell of a problem in knowing what time to go to work here. We go by this clock on the wall, and that goddamn thing, we dont know whether its uh, twenty minutes fast, twenty minutes slow, or what it is.
Jones: Well, then, whos going to take the part of synchronizing the the clock?
Marceline: (unintelligible opening) synchronize it to San Francisco
Jones: Bea Orsot. Thats what Im saying. They can They can synchronize it. She You just mark mark off five hours. Mark off five hours from uh, San Francisco. Were five hours ahead of San Francisco. Bea Orsot, then youll set Youll set that clock. Thank you. Then well know the wall clock will be right every day. You have to set the son-of-a-bitch every day, cause it everything gains and loses. Its outrageous. Most of the things Most of the clocks around here have gained. Thats what I found. Mine gains twenty minutes a day. Its maddening. I know the problem that youre having with clocks. It is indeed maddening.
Male in crowd: Is it possible (unintelligible) two more clocks like that, but without the (unintelligible)?
Jones: Well, we didnt even satisfy this one that has to wake up. Now, Ive got a watch down there, the one left. Uh, do we did we we passed over somebody here, like fancy flight, that was irregular on my part to let it go, but I was in a stormy headache, and I since remembered, somebody asked for a clock, we said, well, well get the clock later. Jonestown (unintelligible word). She cant get no clock later. She didnt (stumbles over words) I never seen the sun tell time at night.
Voice in crowd: I have to have a clock, because everybody 30 minutes early this morning (balance unintelligible)
Jones: (Laughs) You woke up 30 minutes early. I bet they were upset. Well, will somebody run down to that house? Theres a clock theres a wristwatch. Theres a wristwatch on the shelf.
Jones: What What do you mean, everybody needs a re watch?
Man: I said, we dont need a watch. People start saying they need watches
Jones: No, no, please. No, please.
Woman: Somebody just um, just handed me this watch, so
Jones: Well, thats thoughtful. Will you come up and get this, sweet? Heres a watch. That was my mistake. Thats what I want all of you to do, is look like look at errors. Judgments. Not perfect. Just because youre criticized, that doesnt take away from your strength. My God, I thought Stephan done well. I Six months ago, if Ida done that to him, thered been a different an entirely different reaction. Right? How are you feeling, lad?
Stephan: Not too good.
Jones: You shoulda said, Im doing well, Father.
Stephan: Im doing well, Father.
Jones: Communism is right, right?
Stephan: Communism is right.
Jones: He saw there was no other per procedure to follow, was there? Hmm?
Jones: I keep testing him, I keep testing him. Every Everything is fine? Hmm? Thats cool. Keep it cool.
Charlie: I just Id just like to point out that what I noticed in this is that same rules apply for Stephan and Mother is what its applied for all of us in here. And Id just like to thank you for your fairness and your love.
Jones: Yep. Yep. Got to. Got to be. No matter how much guilt I may have about bringing a child in the world, I got to stand in this office fair. Its toughie. Cause some people dont make it easy for you to be fair.
Jones: Okay, now. Thank you, C.T. [Charlie Touchette]. Im Im trying my best to be impartial. And I can live with a good conscience in that matter. I can live with a good conscience. Whether anybody else interprets it p properly or not, I can live with a good conscience on that matter. What is it, you Sister, now we are at the uh, uh, natural insecticides? What Are you up for something?
Betty: Uh, Becky [likely either Rebecca Flowers or Rebecca Beikman] would uh, no She would normally be reading about this, but she had a security shift, so she asked me to do it.
Jones: Uh, what Im asking is, is there any major problem?
Jones: I know, Im Im saying, but
Voice in crowd too soft.
Jones: Is there any major problems in the thing?
Jones: Youve read it, have you, Betty?
Betty: Yeah, its just a report on um, some work she did.
Jones: Good. What are we going to do about these flies, and why in the hell are these flies taking us like theyre the plague? How many uh How many have you flyswatted tonight?
Murmurs in crowd.
Jones: Okay. Thats why theyre taking us. Now, I want to see everybody with your flyswatter. And Ill be asking You see that Im asked in each meeting. And the next time I ask, itll be a warning. And everybodys name will be taken down. Just like anybody thats late from now on we need to be strict and put their name do name down, no matter where and when and who is late. Same thing, going to start (unintelligible word) with flyswatter. You implement this, if you can. Well take a note, those who have flyswatters. Better thing to do, is count the ones that do. So everybodyll have a warning, and two warnings, youll go on Learning Crew. That means well have ninety percent of the people in Learning. (Pause) Better see the flyswatters. Im not kidding you. What can be done about the flies? I thi I still dont think we know what were doing, with the
Marceline: (unintelligible comment about garbage)
Jones: Yeah, theres supposed to be. Thats a good point.
Man: Oh Okay uh, Ive co Ive co I been Ive come across some pamphlets on some various uh, insecticides that are supposed to be specific for flies and mosquitoes and stuff like that. One of the big problems with flies is that they reproduce so fast, and they grow immune to the various uh, poisons weve been using. But uh, this is uh, (unintelligible chemical word) -based, and uh, I as I understand it, this stuff does not uh that they its been used for for centuries in many ways, and insects dont grow as immune as quickly to it as they do to the other stuff, so Im going to try and get some.
Jones: Well, the Chinese eliminated flies. How in the hell they do it?
Jones: Just swattin em. (Pause) I didnt catch you didnt catch what you said.
Man: dont grow immune to (unintelligible)
Jones: (Laughs) Thank you, Je Uh, thats thats true. He said, they they they did it with a flyswatter, hes saying. They dont grow immune to being smashed. How many are going to get your flyswatter out tomorrow and carry it?
Jones: You see people (unintelligible word) around their neck. I see people, uh, (stumbles over words) Brother uh, [Claude] Goodspeed the other day, with his ye red socks and his yellow fly flyswatter. I thought it was really beautiful. Tripping down with his flyswatter. Now lets carry our flyswatter and use em. How many are going to do it now? (Pause) Were going to penalize you if you dont. While I was giving news tonight, I was swatting flies. And I All day long, when I give the news, Im swattin flies. Im crazy about flies. I And the little bastards germinate By the way, what is it, uh, when, uh, I told uh, somebody when the one that was made, that one fly trap was fixed up by Joyce, it worked for me, and I and that that thing down there at the house, it aint worth shit. It aint worth shit. Id like her to get together and compare with the other people [in] insecticides and see what the hells wrong with that that those those fly traps are not working. Not not not around East, anyway.
Woman: Dad, um, I got a correspondence from Debby that uh Debby Evans, that a man, Doctor Pierre Noel, is an authority on flies and mosquitoes in Guyana in Georgetown, and Don Fields last night, um, before the boat left yester two I guess two nights ago, uh, sent a letter to him, and maybe we can make radio con uh, we can radio to Georgetown to contact him.
Jones: We can make a telephone contact, if thats dead. Well, did they give us any idea when were going to have our telephone? Lets ask them. Telecomm. We need a telephone. That would certainly Its outrageous. Tractors cost. Learn to make smoke signals, for Christs sakes, or something. (Unintelligible sentence) The radio people get that?
Womans voice: Yes.
Jones: Okay. I want to find out that, I want to get rid of these flies. This would be heaven, if it wasnt for these fuckin flies.
Crowd murmurs agreement.
Jones: No complaint. I dont give a damn if theyre all over me. Life, death. It doesnt make any difference, what I take it as it comes. But Id like to see it, when we have all these ambassadors coming, I sure would like to have these flies down. I want Im going to be on your ass, if you dont do it, cause in a matter of days, theyre coming. The The Russians show The Soviets. You would never hear no American. American want to get to fly, they want to find out what time the reservation and how theyre going to be picked up. Russians say, well, why dont we just ride on your boat? The Russian ambassador. Thats fun. Thatd be fun. I Boy, the Yankees sure would do something with that on their headlines. (Fake newscaster voice) Jones is bringing in the Russians down the river.
One voice: Night. Night.
Jones: At night, yeah. (Pause) (Normal tone) I think Yeah, I think thatd be good. Smuggle Russians in. Give them something to talk about. I do hope we I hope they make a news story of that. That beats healing. Beats the hell out of healing. Lets slip the news to the capitalist press. (Laughs)
Jones: Thatd be That Ill bet thatd be news headlines from London to you know where.
Voices too soft.
Jones: Unknown Soviet am agents from their embassy. Wed force a relationship between the Soviet Union and USA. (Pause) Ive got an idea there. I do have an idea there. I shall be our own network at night. How the Russians going to deny us, if theyre in our boat?
Laughter and applause.
Jones: Okay. Jackson, you be sure to be ready with pictures on that day. Not that they want to deny us, but I trust us, is who I trust. Fully. I trust me. Absolutely. Go ahead.
Man: I had some concern about uh, just exactly what is happening to the
Jones: Im quite serious about what I just said on the Russians by the way. On both ends. Taking picture. Umm-hmm. Umm-hmm.
Man: I had some concern about what is happening to the uh, the chemicals that we are putting into the uh, environment, um, and I won I wonder if anythings being done to monitor just exactly where theyre going. I raised this issue as a public uh, health issue with uh, Doctor [Larry] Schacht. For example, I heard that were were spraying uh, compost pits. Now that that to me is somewhat alarming, because what were doing is putting pesticides directly into the food chain, because the uh, compost is used to fertilize food, and they drive their uh, derive their nutrients from it, and I I dont know, I dont I dont really Im not confident I dont feel confident that we have a real handle on just exactly what were doing with this stuff, and Id Id like to see some
Jones: I I I agree, but Im telling you, its going to take a long time for you to do physical damage to the body with when this when this ecosystem has never been bothered by these chemicals. I wouldnt get these people unduly alarmed out there, that theyre going to die of something from chemicals, cause itll take a (stretches word) long, long generation. I agree with you, you you should talk to analyst, and perhaps it ought to be discussed there, to get them to be moderate, and to know what the hell theyre doing, but theres no need for people to get alarmed that theyre going to to get any kind of chemical reaction at this stage. I dont think weve put that much in this soil. From what Ive read. (Pause) Anybody can challenge that, on the farm analyst floor, if they want to. Now its on the floor, might as well deal with it, and I always believe in dealing with it dealing with it honestly.
Agronomist: One thing that I think should be taken into consideration is that, all of these things break down. They all break down. You put You talking about putting them in the soil, the soil is one of the greatest uh, (Pause) uh, laboratories on the planet for breaking down chemicals or anything else. Uh, and as far as it getting off into our food, you know (Pause) uh
Jones: Its just a long cry, I would say, wouldnt you, agronomist?
Agronomist: Yes, Dad.
Jones: They dont think its a I
Agronomist: Thats why
Jones: I dont think its a I think its one of these liberalish notions that they get overly excited about, particularly in the Third World sys uh, system, where theres been none of it used to speak of here.
Agronomist: Uh, we In fact, we sprayed this this the very same plants with the same sprays that were spraying the compost pits with. Uh We put it on the plants.
Jones: I say, I would rather that you sprayed them, than to see them before fore you sprayed them, but there was nothing but sticks, instead of leafy vegetables. (Sighs) I would rather take a little insecticide with my leafy green vegetables, than to have no leafy green vegetables.
Jones: I dont know about the rest of you or not, but
Jones: Okay, what is it, what is it now?
Woman: Well, Id like to bring to attention. Today we was out in the peanut field, and the cushion (phonetic) ants is just taking over the cassava and the peanuts. Theyre just all over. (Pause)
Jones: Oh, shit. Why didnt we hear that before?
Woman: Well, I brought it attention to uh, Joyce today, and she uh, she told me she would bring it up in the meeting tonight, but she didnt, so
Jones: She didnt.
Joyce: I bought I brought it up to Becky, and Becky told me to write it up to her, so I wrote it up to her, and shes going to go and take care of em.
Jones: It better be taken care of, or Is this Who is it Who Whos the one that was going to be brought up by Is this Is this the young woman? Huh?
Voice in crowd: Yes, Dad.
Jones: Your ass is grass, if you did what youre accused of. (Pause) If you set in my security meeting, and you voice uh, the security private security matters.
Girl in trouble: Yes, Dad, I did. That was very stupid of me.
Jones: Oh, its worse than stupid. Cause I told you what I told you better not be. (Pause) You asked him to do your questions.
Girl in trouble: No, Dad, um I was I asked him to see where where he what what he thought, and I asked I was asking asking
Jones: You asked him to do He He dont know shit whats going on, and you asked him to discuss what you would do in the case of my death?
Girl in trouble: Yes, Dad. Yes, Dad.
Jones: He dont know shit. Now thats a heavy thing to land on somebody. (Pause) Sounds like Im getting ready to die. And some of you fuckers are counting on, dont uh, dont count too heavy.
Jones: Dont Dont take any gambles on it.
Jones: For your no For your For you that are getting over-anxious about me dying, uh, out of concern, and some out of anxiousness, hoping itll happen, I run a high blood pressure since I was um 23. And Ive doubled that since. And how can you stand 23 years of more of me. Some of you cant stand it, but maybe have to do it. (Small laugh)
Crowd: Right. Scattered applause
Jones: Okay. (Pause) Anybody that feels in black America or Indian Americas going to feel some blood pressure. (Pause) And it used to be a hell of lot higher than that. Marceline can tell you when it was, one night when how long was that? eleven years ago? when they when I went into shock? It was 266 over 160 or something like that.
Crowd: Sounds of amazement.
Jones: Mmm. Im still here, honey.
Jones: And my brain aint damaged. I got my eye on your ass.
Crowd: Right. Applause.
Jones: Go ahead. (Pause) Go ahead. But we want to be prepared for any eventuality. That was a hell of a thing you tell him. He dont know the context. Anybody thats in operation zero like I am, I want to make preparations. Some people take glory that the movement would die when they do. They dont have no goddamn concern, except their ego. All Im concerned about is Principle. I want this thing to continue. (Pause)
Girl in trouble: And Dad, last night, when um, Joyce was writing her paper, she had Anita there helping her, uh, telling her answers and discussing questions and stuff like that. Anita March.
Jones: Anita March?
Anita: No, Dad.
Jones: Son of a bitch.
Jones: How many people did you drag ass into this thing, thats supposed to be security?
Anita: Dad Dad, it was It was I was asking her some questions about the news, cause I had it all mixed up, and I was asking
Jones: Okay, well, did you The fact is, you did ask secur You did breach my security and talk about important security, how we secure this place. (Pause) And you heard that that was absolutely We said, its going to be trouble if it happens.
End of side one
Anita: trying to get everybody elses opinion, see what they were thinking.
Jones: So you dont have a brain to think for yourself? Youre not sensitive to Dad dying? Its your responsibility to be sensitive to Dad dying. He wasnt called to take the post. You were. (Pause)
Marceline: (Unintelligible as mike moves) I question your being on security. I question your being on security.
Jones: So do I. You got reason to. Im
Voice in crowd: You wanted everybody elses opinion, you asked them yourself, not ask you to ask them.
Male: Well, I know Well, as far as were concerned, I know (unintelligible name) thinks shes not Shes not
Male: As far as were concerned, shes off.
Jones: Well, switch him with Jerome [Anderson or Simon]. Switch her with Jerome. (Pause)
Male: No. She came to Jerome. She came to Jerome.
Another male: No, (unintelligible phrase), Anita March wasnt in it, she came to Anita March and was in the library Sunday
Jones: He reported her, though.
Male: I didnt know nothing about it. I aint know what was going on. I aint know what was what it was about.
Jones: You reported her, Keith [Wright]?
Keith: I reported her, Dad.
Jones: Oh, thats good.
Keith: I mean, I I didnt know
Angry male: Come on, now. Youve got two minds.
Angry male: Were going crazy, and get (unintelligible)
Keith: Okay, Dad, um, Jer Um, like Joyce was asking the questions like, and um, she was finished asking the questions, like, um, and then Jerome, he would, you know, like, ask a ask me a question you know, like, you you know, like, she would ask me the question and then I would answer or something, and then Jerome would just get anybody asking me a question, you know, see what I would say, thats how I thats how it went.
Voices too soft.
Jones: Say it. Say it.
Jimmie: All right. Uh, I was at (stutters) I think the whole thing is, that, you trying to show something like, youre youre involved in something, or you know something that somebody else didnt know, youre trying to show off to your, your fellow comrades, youre trying l uh, degrading, you know, I mean, this this whole thing about it, I mean it seems like you youre better than somebody else. You know you come off as somebody You Youre something special because youre involved in, (stutters) security we have. (Pause) Im talking about (Stutters) Joyce. You know what Im talking about.
Young male: Thats true, Dad.
Young woman: Thats true, Dad.
Voice: You can speak up louder
Jimmie: (Stutters) Im Ji Im Jimmie, okay?
Young male: Jimmie.
Jones: Whos going to take her place? You dont breach security. We dont breach it. Anybody else thats a got a report on anybody that told you any of the questions within my security meeting when I met with them several hours on whatever night it was, I dont know, hell, one hell goes into another hell. Friday.
Young male: Dad, I dont know I dont know nothing about the questions that you asked in security meeting, but I know today, when we was out on in a um in the peanut field working, she kept on asking me all these kind of questions. I didnt know nothing about it. She was asking me asking me and Jerome and Keith all these questions, I knew know nothing about it. She just kept on asking. Then she
Jones: Its outrageous. Its outrageous.
Young male: She said I I did not ask, I said, why are you asking us all these questions. She said, Im just trying to get yall opinions on I didnt on yall on get yall opinions.
Male in crowd: Hows a 14-year-old child going to help you out?
Another male: She She was asking us questions about the guns and
Male: I told you (unintelligible) to talk about it.
Jones: She what that?
Male: They found a paper. Uh There was something she said that I just didnt, you know
Jones: Well, I want to
Male: Uh, Dad, I Dad, Id just like to say, afore
Jones: (Off mike, unintelligible) boy, you better be uh cause you (unintelligible word) be trouble shit, man. (Pause) You talk about our weapons, its going to be trouble. (Pause) You told You told that? You told that kind of a lie?
Voice in crowd: Thats a lie.
Boy: Yes, Dad.
Jones: You told a lie, that theres no bullets in our guns.
Boy: Yes, Dad.
Jones: (Tight) Get out of my sight. There was no reason for that. You traitor. There was no reason for that. Now therell be Now there is. There is now. (Pause) Therell be bullets in them now. There wasnt, but they would. Damn you. (Pause) That What What was your reason for doing that? I was trying to keep some humanity around here.
Jones: (Calls out) Aw, shut up. (Pause)
Jones: Therell be Therell be bullets in them now. (Pause)
Marceline: Youre going to have to prove yourself
Jones: Dumb ass bitch. (Pause)
Marceline: Im going to say right now, I dont trust you. I dont trust you.
Jones: Dont mess with her now, boy. Thats a order. No bullet No No gun issued without bullets. (Pause)
Voice in crowd: He cant even (unintelligible word) (Pause)
Voices: Thats right.
Jones: (Angry) Whatd you do wrong, you stupid-minded bitch?
Girl in trouble: Um, I went and told all the secur I went and told all the (unintelligible word) in the security um
Jones: Why did you do it?
Girl in trouble: (Near tears) Just stupid, Dad.
Jones: Oh, its more than stupid. (Pause) Go and tell people theres no bullets in the gun. Now I require every goddamn gun I have issue will be issued with bullets. Cause therell be accidents. (Pause) You breached security. You breached it. She told the truth. But it wont be tonight. (Pause)
Marceline: I wouldnt trust you any farther than I could throw you right now.
Crowd reacts angrily.
Jones: How did she get on there? Who recommended her? Whered she happen from? Whered you fall from? Hell, why didnt somebody tell me about this kind of crap?
Jimmie: Uh, the thing was, (stutters) she wanted, she wanted on the daytime rov roving uh, she wanted on daytime roving security, all she was, was a was a replacement for one hour, and and I dont know how she got on to be uh, replacement just for uh, Sunday. Thats all Thats all she is.
Jones: Well, why did you guys let her in here? Now, dont be defensive. I was just on to Stephan. Now what the fuck was she doing in there?
Male: She was a re she was a replacement on Sat patrol, so then
Jones: Repla Replacement Sat patrol
Male: She was a re a relief for Calvin, so when when they all left, and they took after the thing, I put her on the patrol during the daytime. I I put her on, but
Jones: You people dont know her, though. Youre all error. Youre all in error. I have to take the uh, the guilt of this. You didnt know this woman. (Pause) And if you did, damn uh damn forbid, I cant believe youd let somebody on here like this. (Angry) I want to know, bitch, you better talk. I want to know why you told them there was no weapons on the those crews. I want to know.
Girl in trouble: Dad, I dont know. I was just stupid.
Jones: (Angry) You better know.
Annie McGowan: Shit, you better find out something (unintelligible word). You better find out. You better find out something.
Voices in crowd ask Annie McGowan to sit down.
Jones: I am not telling her to sit down. I am not telling her to sit down. Theyre up All those assigned are up. Now its to you to do something about it, security.
Woman nearby: Wait a minute.
Jones: You better test your goddamn security. Now, all those assigned to be, are up. Every blessed one of you better get off your ass, and you better do something about it. (Pause) Its a goddamn shame. (Pause)
Jones: Sure, its by design. To make her ass look good and risk this whole movement. (Pause) (Angry and tight) You better get your mouth talking. Some of them slide under the table, slide under the table. Get to her.
Girl in trouble: Dad Dad Dad, it was very very, it was Da Dad, it was very stupid of me to be talking and telling all this telling um, of things on security, um
Jones: You better talk up, you better talk up (unintelligible word) telling us
Girl in trouble: It was (unintelligible word under Jones) It was designed It was for me to look good. And I wasnt thinking about thinking I was thinking of my own selfish ass, trying to make my get a image for myself, instead of thinking of the cause and what you gotta go through to protect us.
Jones: What is it?
Girl in trouble: I was thinking of my own selfish ass, trying to look good, and give myself a image
Jones: Yeah, you you were you were thi you were thinking of your own selfish ass What you were doing was telling some traitor out there that he can run away from our guns. And you were bright enough to know that, you bitch.
Angry voices. Scattered applause.
Girl in trouble: Thats right, Dad. And I deserve
Jones: Not now Dont run now. Dont run now. Theyll all be equipped. (Pause)
Girl in trouble: Let And Dad, I deserve everything I get up here.
Male: Dad, I was out there in the peanut field, and Im on the uh, uh, Sat patrol, and if she didnt she could she coulda asked me the questions, but she didnt.
Male: Whoa, now whoa. (Unintelligible words) Whoa. (Pause)
Jones: Better get her. You better get her. You better get her, goddamn it.
Jones: She She was let through. She was let through. Sh I let her through. That wasnt security that let her through, I let her through. I maybe let somebody else through. Cause you dont respond to niceness. Gentleness, kindness, and love. Itll be back, maybe, itll be back next week.
Jones: She wouldna got through there if I hadna les let her get through.
Girl in trouble: Thats right, Dad.
Jones: You better get your ass talking.
Girl in trouble: Dad, um
Jones: Wheres her relatives? Any relatives around here?
Voice in crowd: Right over here.
Jones: You got a good mom.
Jones: (Laughs) This is security?
Voice in hubbub: Thanks, Dad.
Another voice: Come on, (unintelligible name).
Jones: can talk. Tell us why you can talk why you you told that we had no arms, that you and these two days, if it hadnt been for the for Keith coming forward, in these two goddamn days, somebody coulda left, because you told us the measures of security, now forced me to have to put bullets in every gun. You talk, bitch.
Girl in trouble: Dad Dad Dad, it was just stupid of me. Um. I wasnt thinking. Um.
Girl in trouble: Im not crying.
Angry voices, general hubbub
Girl in trouble: Dad And Dad
Jones: What Yeah, Dad, go on, talk.
Girl in trouble: I wi
Jones: Now, we made a big warning of this, folks. You dont know how serious this was. We made a terribly strong warning about this.
Girl in trouble: I wasnt I wasnt I wasnt thinking of of the things that you wo you would have to go through if we was to put bullets in the guns, and and and the accidents that would probably come occur, and how
Jones: Whats this? I cant hear what youre saying.
Voice: Stop crying.
Voice: Stop crying and talk, woman, shit.
Voice: And hurry up.
Girl in trouble: I wasnt a I wasnt aware of the I wasnt a I wasnt thinking of being enough aware, instead I opened my big mouth. I I wasnt aware to keep my big mouth shut enough to know if something hada If you had (unintelligible phrase) the bullets, that somebody could couldve gotten hurt or anything. I wasnt being concerned enough, um, to think that um, you would be the one to have to to uh
Jones: Youre repeating everything I said.
Jones: Yes, well, ans answer what he said. Whatd you say, Ronnie?
Ronnie: (unintelligible opening) talking about all this time in the meeting.
Ronnie: Pouring his heart out.
Jones: Pour my heart out so some foolish person could go out and talk like you. Make me have to put guns that can be go off by accident.
Voice: Thats right.
Jones: No, but she ought to. They ought to hire her. (Pause) Howd they howd you get that way, and you got a closed mouth, loyal mother?
Scattered voices, still angry
Girl in trouble: Um
Jones: You better get nervous. You better get nervous, cause we warned you what would happen if this took place. We made it very, very severe.
Girl in trouble: Um
Jones: Yeah, guys say, what, if you gave information away that easy, what would you do if there was a price?
Girl in trouble: Thats true
Geneva Beal: What in the devil in hell that you doing out there running your goddamn mouth? (Stumbles over words) What were you What What was you talking about, who you done told anything? (Pause) You better talk.
Jones: She she
Geneva: Who have you told anything?
Jones: She told it to everybody.
Young woman: I told it to everybody.
Jones: Everybody, Geneva. Everybody. I had a little humanity and sensitivity, and didnt want guns all loaded
Geneva: (unintelligible) goddamn the bidness, you know damn well you didnt have no bidness out there talking, or I whup your ass myself.
Anger and laughter
Sounds of slapping. Hubbub
Jones: Now, you better Okay.
Voices: Thats it. Let her go.
Older woman: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait No, wait a minute.
Jones: Dont look at her funny. Dont you look at her funny. Dont you dare look at her funny, Ill let her loose again. She made it in there on her own, this time. Ill let her Ill let her loose again.
Geneva: It wasnt none of your damn business about no guns or nothing else.
Jones: It was The problem was, it was hers. She was trusted to be loyal. (Pause) And these two
Geneva: What do What is you going to say? You better talk
Jones: And in these two days, somebody could run over the hill and caused trouble for the whole movement.
Geneva: Was you talking on them one of them intercoms where the folks can hear you out in the bush somewhere?
Male: She was always telling to hear her, Mom.
Jones: Im making it damn clear now, that you will you dont move without these guns.
Male: What do you got to say? You just gonna quit having
Geneva: Do you want to know what was in anybody elses mind, what in the hell was in your mind?
Woman: Please take your glasses off.
Jones: Get in there, Mary. Hold in there. Thats it. Get in there.
Woman: Take her glasses off.
Jones: You better put some of these ladies on security. (Laughs) Mary got em a hell of a time up here. Hold in there, boys. Black and white together, youre having a little trouble. (Laughs) Theyre turning blue. They Hes We ha We lost one white one, but we got one black and one blue.
Geneva: What goes on up here when somebody act like that, and then you had to go run your old stupid-ass mouth.
Hubbub and laughter
Hubbub, cheers, sounds of scuffling for several moments
Jones: Hold it. Hold it. Security needs some assistance, I think.
Male voice: Come on, security. Security! React, security.
Jones: (Laughs) Where is the patient?
Jones: Find the patient.
Several voices: Shes right here.
Jones: (Laughs) Thats pretty good. Thats pretty good. You protect it very well, there.
Voice: Lets make her (unintelligible word; "black"?). Come on, security, I know you better than this, now.
Jones: (Tight) You deserve whatever youre getting, sister. You deserve it all.
Hubbub, sound of scuffles
Jones: (Laughs) S Come on, security, get a hold of it now, get a hold of it.
Voices cry out about fighting back, then tell people to back up
Jones: The only thing is The only thing is, security, a c A shout wont be able to do it. If you were faced with a real mob, a shout wont be able to do it. (Pause) You gotta do it with your with your arms, hands.
Hubbub, sound of scuffles
Male: No, dont even argue with him, dont even argue with him, dont even argue with him, dont even argue with him, dont even argue with him.
Jones: (Unintelligible as laughs) having trouble with sister, 75 years of age. You got three of you. (Laughs) Hold in Hold in there, son. (Laughs)
Hubbub, sound of scuffles
Jones: (Laughs) Give five security and two seniors a good hand. (Laughs)
Jones: Thats the best goddamn fight I ever saw, put up by a seventy-some year-old. (Pause) Okay now, well we relax and go back to your station.
Jones: What is the congregation of the elect socialist group here to protect this sovereign territory What do we suggest we do to this woman?
Voice: Whup her ass.
Calls from crowd, unintelligible. Hubbub.
Jones: You have a big mouth, and other other reports of your complaining and talking bout talking bout people. Talking about anything else in the toilet. (Pause) I dont know how you ever got past wh Everybody should come on the security by s recommendations. Now everybodyll sit down. All security can back off and sit down.
Jones: I cant see. Cant see.
Male: He said, take a seat.
Jones: (Unintelligible word) over there, Jim. (Pause) What do you suggest be done with you, sister? (Pause) Betrayer of the people? That coulda taken the lives of every child in this house?
Girl in trouble: I think I should have to work for at least three days and three nights without stopping. Um And then
Jones: Huh, I would think so.
Jimmie: Da Dad Dad uh Dad, I would just like to say, you know like, I Id just like to say, you see, its par its partly my fault for, you know, just just putting her on in, plus not checking her out, and stuff like this, so I (stutters) Its also partly my fault, I I didnt check out or did did nothing like that. I thought she would I thought she would would have been, you know, a good
Jones: We all to take accept collective responsibility that, heres a woman who We ought to do an investigation on, everyone talk to their friends, to find out what in the hell type of person they are. Were going to have to be much tighter. Weve learned a lesson from this. This is outrageous.
Male: I heard something
Jones: Go ahead.
Male: I heard something that uh, Jerome was asking the same questions, and Id like to know something about that.
Jones: Well, thats too bad. Thats sad news.
Jerome: All right. Why I I asked Keith that, cause she was in the fields, um, she told us that its supposed to be (unintelligible word) first it started this Sunday, and see, she said uh, its just something that she was just supposed to be asking people. Thats what Thats what what Keith was talking about. I didnt even know what it was about. I didnt, unless she she mentioned it. Then she mentioned about guns and stuff, I didnt know what she was what it was about.
Jones: Generally, for the (unintelligible word) collective, he has done a very good job of getting information, and should be uh, treated with a certain air of respect for the sense of organization. (Pause) Ive not known him here to (unintelligible word) or not to report the information. And weve got to be all information-gatherers and reporters, if we want to safeguard this house.
Woman: Dad, to me, it seemed like she was taking the whole thing as like a whole big joke, you know, like because um, she was when she was sitting at the table, doing her report and stuff, she was sitting there at the table with Bonnie [Simon], and she was asking me news articles and stuff. And then when she when we finished with the news articles, she said, why dont you help me write it over? Why dont you write the paper over for me, and you can see whats written on the paper, and I said, thats all right, you do it yourself.
Jones: Okay. Okay, that thats not the serious part. What possible reason did she have for talking about our guns not having bullets in them? (Pause) (Flares) That wasnt in the test. That wasnt asked to be written about. (Pause)
Young man: Dad, I think the reason why she as why she
Voices of dissent in crowd.
Jones: (tight) Goddamn her, she better get her mouth open.
Girl in trouble: Dad, the reason why I said it was because okay, wo I was asking the questions today, and Karen Carr came back with a question, like um, what if somebody on security turned traitorous, like then, and I tried to make it look good as though wed know you know, even if they did, wouldnt nothing happen to you.
Voices of derision.
Woman voice: That That
Jones: (Incredulous) Oh, nothing would You Boy. Nothing would happen to you, if you turned bad.
Girl in trouble: No No, Dad, that I She said
Scattered voices in crowd
Girl in trouble: No
Jones: So Someone in security turned traitor, she said, nothing would happen to you.
Girl in trouble: No, to She said, what if somebody on security turned? She was asking me questions back in return. She said, what if somebody on security turned traitorous with a gun and and tried to kill Dad or something to that effect, and I said, you know, trying to look good, I said, well, um, um, he wouldnt get hurt, because they aint no bullets in the gun, like that.
Jones: (Dismissive noise)
Woman in crowd: You asked the question about security shooting Dad?
Karen: Dad Dad, this is what happened. This is what happened. When we were down there, she started talking about I didnt I had just came down there, cause I didnt know
Tim: Quit lying.
Karen: I had just came down there
Jones: (unintelligible phrase) after a while.
Jones: Keep your eyes on em.
Jones: Hold in there, sweet. Hold in there.
Jones: (Laughs) Remember, Tim. Shes the one that feeds you. (Laughs)
Karen: Dad Dad Dad, this is what Dad, this is what happened.
Karen: Dad, this is what happened. When I had first came I had first came down to the field, and the
Jones: (Laughs) Ah, the kids are getting under there.
Karen: I had first came down to the field, and the first thing she asked me was
Crowd laughter and hubbub
Jones: (Laughs) I tell you, we got some seniors. Im Im interested in this, cause I theyll fight. Theyll fight.
Jones: (Laughs) (unintelligible name) got bit. (Laughs)
Hubbub. Laughter. Some voices angry.
Karen: Dad, this is what happened. When I had first came down to the field
Jones: All right now, hold it. I I I see our seniors are tough. Thats what I want to see. I hope some us others of you are that tough. Theyve roll, theyve fe half fell, theyve been picked up, my God Almighty, took six to take one of em out.
Karen: Dad Dad, this is what happened. When I first came When I first came down to the field
Jones: Whyd you ask her about the security, though? (Stumbles over words) Thats a legitimate question. I think its a legitimate question. But she But you To look good, so you answered it.
Karen: She told
Girl in trouble: Dad Dad, it was all my
Karen: She told She told us to ask her any questions. She did, so I just asked her anything was on my mind
Jones: She told you to ask her any question.
Woman: Why why why would the fact that you want to know if the security shoot Dad, woulda happened to him. Why would you?
Karen: I didnt ask that question.
Woman: What Thats the question that we got on now. Thats the question we got on the floor now.
Jones: I think its a legitimate question around here.
Another woman: Sister wanted to act like she knew it all (unintelligible)
Man: We got one looking like a traitor.
Woman: Thats right.
Man: Why the hell wouldnt she ask it? Its my mistake.
Hubbub. More conversation.
Jones: Whats that?
Woman: You wanted You were ready to talk. Talk, talk. (Unintelligible)
Karen: I understand She She told us She just said, any que She just s She was talking about And then she said I said, why are you asking all these questions, I said, why doesnt somebody ask you some? She said, Ask me, cause I already know of some like that, so I just asked her. And then So I just asked her, and then she
Woman: Whatd you ask her?
Karen: I said I said, well I (Pause)
Woman: What did you ask her?
Karen: I said, what if I said, what if secu I I even forgot what I said, cause I said
Sounds of incredulity
Woman: Oh, you aint forgot shit. You gotta tell em what you said. Speak up.
Man: It was a good question.
Jones: Yes, it has been a People People have representative security, were going to have to all You dont have to ask questions of whos in security. You dont have to know. Somebody sa The internal security. Some you cant. You cant know the (pause) more secret me elements of the uh, Committee of the Defense of Revolution. You cant know all those people, but you certainly have reason to If you got reason, you see these people bearing guns and bows, you got a reason to bring up points. And if somebody brought up points, this wouldnt have happened. (Pause) Okay Okay, back off now. (Pause) Now, Im surprised you say you only should get three days and three nights. You You invited the questions. You invited the questions, huh?
Girl in trouble: Yes, Dad.
Jones: Ask you any question.
Older woman: What made you think you know so much?
Jones: Ah Our mistake. Our collective mistake. Ill take my guilt for this.
Older woman: How come you What made you think you know so much, you know all the answers, you got all the answers, you got so many damn answers, you better start talking.
Girl in trouble: Um (Pause) Um, I was just trying to look good. Its no no excuse, I mean, to have such a big mouth, and being at the at at the expense of um, of
Girl in trouble: Theres no excuse for me, um, being such a big mouth, trying to show off like I knew so fucking much. Um. (Unintelligible under Jones)
Jones: Well, I hope its a lesson to everybody, cause I dont like to see this violence, but I hope its a le les lesson. It was ver very kind, and as so someone said, I poured out my heart in there. Very deep. And then you go and expose it to everybody. Thats strategy. (Pause) And how did you know you were right?
Older woman: (unintelligible opening) been in a meeting, and then you went out and talked? (Pause) Is that what happened?
Jones: She was. She was. She was. But to be To make you all rest carefully, for the two nights, I reversed it, and we had bullets in the guns. Cause I thought it was a mistake.
Scattered: Thats right.
Jones: So (Pause) dont be (unintelligible word) nervous. You were not You were not in any uh, threat, because I thought it was a mistake that we discussed it publicly. (Pause) Take your seat amongst those who learned better than you.
Girl in trouble: Thank you, Dad. (Pause)
Jones: Okay, lets go. (Pause) Okay, lets go. (Pause) Come on, security, get down. Get down, security. (Pause) Sit down. (Pause) Im (unintelligible word) Whos replacing her? Whos replacing her?
Man: For what? Her job? (unintelligible)
Man: Oh, man.
Jones: (Laughs) Sit down. (Pause) Okay, sit down. Everybody sit down. (Pause)
Male: Uh Da Da Dad, instead of deciding us In Instead of deciding this thing by myself, can I get with uh
Male: Can I get with uh, Johnny Johnny and them, Jimmie, decide on the po person to put in her place?
Jones: Yes, indeed. Then make a pass over me. Final passage. Thank you.
Conversation off mike, too soft.
Jones: What? (Pause) (Laughs) Rose looks like a reptile, ready to strike. (Laughs) (Pause)
Woman: Joyce got a warning, too, I
Jones: Joyce got a warning? Well, yes, she did. Joyce got a warning. (Pause) Reporting late for work. Umm-hmm. (Pause) (Reading) Warnings also, Charles Marshall (Pause) There are a lot of internal struggles in the herbal committee. Earnestine March has been very argumentative. She chastised Shirlee Fields in front of the students. She later talked to the students in the bush about the situation. That shit wont be. We wont allow that. Thats warning. Never criticize management in front of others. You do it privately. Those who manage for the representatives of the people, you can say anything to me. Privately. But you will not do it in front of pi public. (Angry) I mean, Im making a point, goddamn it, and it better be heard. (Pause) (Calmer) It was not appropriate. Shirlee Fields was in charge. Now, that better be straightened up. (Reading) Keith Baisy and Traci Stone have been referred to Learning Crew by the elementary junior high school teachers meeting, for physical violence. Okay. Join it. Laura Johnston still works slow and talks too much. (Disappointed) Aw, come on, Laura.
Jones: Ah, damn it. Who (unintelligible word) (Pause) Rory Borg Borgeman Bargeman told the supervisors hes not going to do his best, because he didnt get a job change. Oh, now. Now, now, now, now, now, now, now. Were going to defy the authority. Youre not going to do your best, huh? Mmm. Betcha Ive moved your little ass in here.
Voice: Who do you want to change, Dad?
Rory: No, I didnt. (Pause) I di
Jones: Who are the witnesses against him?
Rory: Dad, I didnt say that.
Man: Who said he said it?
Jones: That kinda shit is no good. (Pause) That kinda shit is no good. This is dan This is This is radical shit. This is radical shit, what he did here. This is the kinda shit that can destroy an organization. He not going to do his best He not going to do his work, because (Pause) Youre open season, too. (Pause)
Rory: I didnt say that, Dad.
Jones: Where is the supervisor?
Woman: Here she is.
Supervisor: Here I am. Okay. Today, we was on break
Jones: Did he say it?
Supervisor: Yeah, he said it.
Jones: (Unintelligible sentence) How many say he said it? (Pause) Okay, you, you Okay, he said it. He said it. Now hes a liar to the office on top of it. (Pause) (Angry) Get him.
One voice: Oh, man.
Jones: Now take him out of it.
Jones: (Tight) Dont lie to this office any more. Were tired of putting up with this shit. (Pause) Dont lie to this office any more. You hear me? Get your ass over there and set down, and see how well you work. Goddamn people dont appreciate goodness. (Pause) Set your ass down. (Pause) With lie on top of it. S all right. That Thats up Thats your your risk. Youre open season till you get on that secu on on that Learning, then they cant touch you.
Man: Dont say you didnt say anything (unintelligible)
Jones: He better not You Did you Yeah, answer the question.
Jones: Did you say it?
Woman: Did you say it?
Man: Yes or no. Yes or no.
Rory: Yes, Dad, I said it.
Man: What did you say, exactly?
Rory: My my exact words is, I didnt appreciate the uh, supervisor saying I work good in the meeting, and when I get on the floor, they say I dont work good.
Jones: Now, thats not all you said. And they all heard it. I saw black and white people putting up their hands together. They heard you say, that you werent going to work your best. Did you say it?
Rory: (Pause) Dad, I swear that
Man in crowd: (Unintelligible)
Rory: Thats what I said.
Jones: All these people lying on you. Is that what youre saying? Told his seper supervisor, he not going to do his job your best, because you didnt get a job change. What?
Supervisor: Okay. Today we was on break, and Roy said he had been here for nine months, and he had been in the field for nine months, and he say he didnt want nobody to praise him, he didnt want me to praise him or nothing
Supervisor: he said he didnt want no praises from nobody, from me or Jen, and then he said, uh, that he had been in the field for nine months, he said he wasnt going to do his best. No, he would just stay in the field. And thats what he said.
Jones: How many heard him say that?
Supervisor: We was all on break and we Everybody heard him say it. (Unintelligible under Jones)
Jones: All these hands. Most of them black. Are you still going to insist you didnt say it?
Rory: I said it, Dad. I said it, Dad, and I
Man in crowd: lying to the office.
Jones: (Unintelligible) What.
Rory: I said it, Dad, and Im sorry for lying to the office.
People call out questions about why he lied.
Jones: Your mother asked you a good question. Whatd you lie? And take up the goddamn trouble, all this late the the late hours of the night. Dont give a shit, do you, if you lose your leader.
Rory: Yes I do, Dad, but
Crowd voices too soft.
DeeDee Macon: Whyd you lie? (Pause)
Rory: I was
DeeDee Macon: Speak up
Rory: (Unintelligible, may be being struck)
Jones: Enough. Enough, enough. Enough.
DeeDee Macon: Dammit.
Voice: Let go of him. Let go of him.
Another voice: Let go of him, DeeDee.
DeeDee Macon: Well, answer me.
Woman: Let go, Deedee.
Rory: Im thinking uh
DeeDee Macon: Im over here. Cant you answer me?
Male: Speak up.
Rory: I was thinking Lee and I was
Jones: All you people
Angry voice: goddammit, its just a fucking mouth.
Jones: Whats the matter?
Angry voice: Some little asshole here fussing back and forth. You just shut your mouth.
Angry voice: Shut up, goddammit.
Jones: Throw him on the Learning.
Male: You better salute, you little shit.
Jones: Anybody getting up here at this hour? After all that was explained tonight, and the blood pressures still there, it hasnt gone anyplace.
Male: Whyd you lie?
Rory: I was thinking that if I lied still, that Deedee and uh and Diane and (unintelligible under voices)
Jones: Get away from there, Stephan, theres too much hostility for you to deal with. Im just (unintelligible) you working there, and you gotta blow like a goddamn bulldozer. (Pause) Dont get close to it.
Rory: I deserve it, Dad.
Jones: Oh, you deserved it. I aint questioning that. Im not questioning that, but I dont I dont want to take chances. He could he could fix you. (Unintelligible word) I imagine youd feel somewhat the same, if there was a risk that your no matter how what hostility he may feel, its a natural ingredient to life for a child to have to battle with their parent all the time, and the parent be a leader, uh, uh, a uh, leader also, which makes it double problems. (Pause) In the future, thats what medical person, you shouldna been waiting this long to tell us he has a pin in his hip. You shoulda men You shoulda done You shoulda got your ass up off the floor, Joyce Parks, you shoulda been telling us before that.
Rory: Thats okay. I wa
Jones: This is a little late to tell us, dont you think? (Pause)You were out? Okay. Well, where in the hell Didnt anybody else in the damn house know this?
Woman: I knew I knew he had a pin in his hip.
Jones: Hu Huh?
Woman: Yes, Dad, I knew he had.
Jones: He can be dealt with otherwise. Were not trying to torture. Were trying to get people to to behave. Hes all right. He not got any problem here.
Rory: I worked just like the rest of them, even though it it dont make me nu
Rory: I work just like everybody else do, the pin dont make no
Jones: One does feel guilty, yes, all the time, but thats good. (Pause) Itll be always (unintelligible word) Invariably when we se make a impulsive move, Ive always found myself, when I made one, it uh, itll be in the wrong place. (Short laugh) Its been my luck always, Stephan, so join the crowd. Stephan said he felt guilty. But you still had no reason to hold us up at this hour, my son. (Pause) And your leader is Your Your I These meetings are hell on me. And if thats hell on you, if I go before Im supposed to. Sit down. Recall, to keep that in mind, medical people, though, to get these reports up. They shouldnt be the requirement of the mother. The mother shouldnt have had to say it. The medical department shoulda known. Because she cant get up there and be defensive for him. She did a good job. (Pause) The medical department shoulda jumped up there quick.
Male: Can we hear something from the medical department?
Jones: (Screams) Yes. Goddamn it. Yes, goddamn it.
Jones: (Calmer) Goddamn it to hell. Stand there like logs on a bum bump on a fucking log. (Pause) Hows the hip? Look at him. (Pause)
Male: Why are you doing that, Laura? Why the fuck are you so fucking (unintelligible under Jones)
Jones: Yeah, why (unintelligible) in our our face again?
Man: Everybody else sit your asses down, so we can move out. Sit down.
Another male: Do you want to get zapped? Someone ought to nail her ass.
Jones: Yeah, thats true. Thats true. Im a son-of-a-bitch, its true.
Man: Are you working slow?
Laura: I I thought I was I thought Id picked up I swear, I thought Id picked up, and I had not been talking.
Hubbub. Questions about who reported something.
Jones: Did you ask for Did he ask for to change, because he had pain in the hip?
Man in crowd: No, when he came to committee, there was nothing about no medical.
Man: He was just fine, (unintelligible), to be fair.
Man: There was nothing I
Jones: The medical could check could check his ass out. Ida heard about it from Schacht, I think, if thered been any grave situation, any noticeable change in his hip.
Schacht: I didnt know about this I just heard that he had a problem today, but I didnt under understand it, I didnt know what his problem was, but we
Voice in crowd: That was not the basis of the job change
Jones: That wa There wasnt any word mentioned about that.
Man: Wasnt even mentioned. We didnt we had no prior knowledge
Joyce: No That My point was, when I came back in here with Earl, I (unintelligible)
Jones: Well, from where I I dont give a goddammit, where is it that nobody else in the house one person in the medical department know this shit, and not everybody. You should alert everybody. You should all care about everybody like they were your own children. (Pause)
Schacht: Thats right. Youre right, Dad. Thats absolutely right.
Man: One person who dont even have a child, says thats right. (Unintelligible sentence)
Woman in crowd: Do I say something, (Unintelligible phrase) Jay warned you to open your goddamn mouth.
Joyce: I was I didnt know that they didnt know, Dad. I mean, everybody in San Francisco worked with me. I I
Jones: Well, I I How do you know they dont know. You ought to know they dont know. You ought to assume that right away, they wouldnt know nor remember. You gotta constantly educate.
Joyce: Im sorry. It It was my fault.
Jones: All emergency cases, wheres there any danger of injury, they should be told, cause people dont give a shit.
Joyce: I I agree. And thats my fault.
Voices too soft
Jones: Well, were all going to have to know one another. Theyre all our children. In spite on the hell we may thump on each other, were gonna fight for each other.
One voice: Thank you, Dad.
Jones: Peace. (Pause) You cant be predictable. One thing I cant be is predictable. I dont dare. Mercys just been run over hog wild. Woman tells our security, everything else. So I cant be predictable. Im merciful, Im gentle by nature, but I cant be predictable. And I wont be. So dont count on it.
Marceline: Could I Could I say that I think its fairly important that if we have people here with medical problems, that this job committee should know about, that the medical team should get that information to the job committee.
Jones: (Sighs) They gotta get it to them now. Absolutely now. Have an emergency meeting about that tomorrow, and let us know of any defects or problems that could be aggravated by anything else. Just like Mary Tschetter. I saw her fight with two men. Uh, its a big, big job, because she has joint problems. And you men have to know that. You gotta know these sen these seniors who are doing this thing and these middle-aged ladies who are doing this this remarkable fighting, they theyve got youve got to know this All security got to know every medical problem they have when you grab them. (Pause) And how you defend with them. (Pause) Now, Laura, will you tell Who Where is the complainant against this woman?
Woman: I am, Dad. Today, uh, in all the time we was in the bush, we was working with three different crews, and Laura, shes still trying to supervise, you know, and she like I be telling her one thing to do, she would jump in and start talking, and today, we was covering the peanuts, and I doubled back on her two or three times. Danny was out there, he can tell you the same thing, and I kept telling her
Jones: Is it true? Is it true? (Pause) And I found him to testify wrongly. Now, what do you have to say, sister? I always testify, and I find certain people who tell the truth pretty accurately, and this sisters new to me, so Ill test it. What do you got to say now?
Laura: I was mistaken. I must not have been working as fast. Im sure her report is accurate.
Man: Still supervising
End of tape
Tape originally posted September 2003