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Ijames: Oh yes, hi, it’s Norman Ijames, how are you?
Contractor: All right, (unintelligible word) did you get the drawings?
Ijames: Yes, we did. We were just uh, going over them, and we’re just preparing to uh, try to make contact back with you this morning.
Contractor: I’m sorry about the composition of the drawings but they were (unintelligible) when we got them, and they were chopped to heck about the old drawings–
Contractor: –(unintelligible) copies. The best we can do on the– you know, at this stage.
Ijames: Okay. Uh– Now, uh, we– it appears we have the drawing for the uh, 100 KW and for the 300 KW and the foundation drawing. Uh, okay, now, let’s see, uh, we didn’t uh, have a drawing for– or a design arrangement for the boiler, or refactory.
Contractor: (unintelligible) I haven’t been able to get a hold of the drawing for the boiler yet. They’re a standard boiler, what we call a standard Lancashire boiler, they’re good boiler, you know, a good ol’ workhorse, you know, it’s one of the old best. Uh, I forget you were calling (unintelligible word) the boiler which you require, eh?
Ijames: Well, what we need to do is to be able to uh, see what uh, is necessary for the uh, building of the refactory (unintelligible word). We need to order the materials so we can, you know, build the refactory and the foundation for the boiler.
Contractor: Yeah. Uh– I wonder whether, you know, I can get that all out to you, you know– (stumbles over words) The thing is, what– what I was– what I’m ringing for is uh, (unintelligible word) will you want to know, you know, what is– whether you’re going to go ahead with it, uh, you know, ‘cause it– it’s was put to a lot of expense, you know, laid up, we’ve got, you know, all these laid up.
Ijames: Umm-hmm. Well, we– yeah, our intentions are to go on this thing. We need to make uh– have– have some of our final discussions with you, though, however on the– on the– on the price once we’ve know– we understand for sure here that uh, we– you have everything that’s necessary to make us a complete package. And that was uh, what we were after here uh, we still haven’t gotten the engineer’s reports on the– on this, and– Of course, this could be included in the– in the contract. We would have to have a contract uh, from you, uh, stating uh, exactly what our agreement is, including the description of the equipment, the engineer’s reports, and uh, the uh– including the conversion from the 50 to 60-cycle, uh– And then the confirming that it’s a complete– a complete unit, a complete package, operational, all we have to be concerned about is it uh, in addition to that, is the shipping arrangements to get it to Guyana and the uh, uh– someone there to uh, supervise the installation of the uh– of the complete unit. And let’s see here– and uh, this all includes the feed system. We’ve already talked about that the other day.
Contractor: Yeah. Well, so also what I’m doing is, before we dismantle this stage, a lot of uh, photographs of every stage of it, taken (unintelligible) and various stages so we’ve also, as well as drawings, got a photograph uh– you know, photograph copy of everything to do with the whole assembly.
Ijames: That’s good. Yes. Uh-huh [Yes].
Contractor: It makes it much easier for people to work on at– at your end.
Contractor: –(unintelligible under Ijames) all photographed and be all numbered (unintelligible), and see exactly where everything goes.
Ijames: Well, now, who would– who would uh– we wanted a representative uh, from your firm to uh, that is familiar with the uh, installation and operation of this to be there to supervise it. We don’t want to just try to put it together from pictures and prints.
Contractor: No, there’ll be two of (unintelligible word)– there’ll (unintelligible word) be two people coming over.
Contractor: Uh, there no problem there, so we– we would uh– we would insist that somebody from our side come to assemble– you know, to supervise.
Ijames: Yes, well, that’s what we want.
Contractor: Yeah, that’s no problem there.
Ijames: Okay. All right, well, now– Well, then, we’re– we’re a little bit frustrated here too on this. We want to be able to get all these loose ends rounded up here, and uh– so, now uh, these things that I just labeled out here to you, do you have them uh– have them jotted down so they can be put into a contract?
Contractor: Yeah, yeah, you want the uh– the engineer’s reports–
Contractor: Uh– And, let’s say the supervision of (unintelligible word) at your end, that would be also in.
Ijames: Yes, we– a total description of the uh, complete uh– the complete unit. That– that would include uh– that would include the 300 KW, the 100 KW, and the boiler, and that uh, includes the feed system for the boiler.
Ijames: That uh, any– all the spare parts–
Ijames: And uh– okay.
Contractor: And all the switch gear.
Ijames: All the switch gear. Yes, and the 50 to 60 cycle uh–
Ijames: –conversion, that’s done there, in your– there in England, before it leaves. Right?
Contractor: That (unintelligible word) to be done, that we– that gear box– the gear box will be put in to increase the generator speed twenty percent.
Ijames: Yes. Okay, fine. Yeah, all right, so the description of that all complete package is there before it leaves, and then uh, we’ll have to have a shipping schedule uh, arrangements uh, prepared so we know how– how much it’s gonna cost us to ship it. Uh, and then, we would have to have in conjunction– along with the uh, uh, the uh, contract, a uh, pro forma invoice so we can handle the uh, import license.
Contractor: Yep. Yep.
Contractor: (unintelligible word) Yep. Um–
Ijames: Now then– and then of course the contract has to include the price, which we probably ought to talk about now.
Contractor: Yeah. Well uh–
Ijames: Now our last discussion, I mentioned to you– Now we went over and uh, again here which you had labeled out in your letter, and uh, I believe we talked about the fact that we needed to get a– the package deal, uh, reduced to some what, and uh– and you said you’d see what you can do. Now have you worked on that at all?
Contractor: Yep. Uh– well, we– we could get it. See, does this bill include all– uh, say, the whole lot with a little extra expense for the gearbox and uh, so forth, but we could do it in about uh, well, it’s just about 55,000, if that’s, you know–
Contractor: About 55,000. Yeah, we could do it for that.
Ijames: 55,000 US.
Contractor: Yeah. (Pause)
Ijames: Yes, uh-huh. 55,000 US. Now that– does that include shipping?
Contractor: No, that doesn’t include shipping, no.
Ijames: Well, what uh– (clears throat) Okay, that includes everything b– but the shipping, that includes the supervision uh–
Contractor: Yep. Uh, all that includes everything at this time [side].
Ijames: Everything at–
Contractor: Everything in the U.K.
Ijames: Everything in the United Kingdom, okay. So then uh– so then after it– when it leaves, when it goes on– gets– goes a ship there, then we have added cost to add onto the 55,000.
Contractor: Yeah, well, it’s only– (stumbles over words) I mean, it– it’s only advisable because supervisional cost won’t be very expensive.
Ijames: Okay, well, I need uh, for– I need to be able to convey to the board, though, some approximate idea of what it’s going to cost for the– all parts of this, and uh– so uh– You have any idea yet on the shipping and on the supervision?
Contractor: Oh, I can get– Well, the shipping, no I haven’t, because there again, it– it’s all got to be broke down, you know, to weights and dimensions and that, and we haven’t got into this too deep, you know, so we can (unintelligible) you were going ahead. (unintelligible) Obviously, we’ve got to go in– into it because of, you know, the size.
Ijames: Yeah, okay, I’m– I’m sorry, I had a real hard time hearing you, the line is uh– Can you say that last again?
Contractor: It’s just– It’s just a matter of the size of, you know, the bulk of it, and– and getting to know, you know, the– the weight and bulk.
Ijames: Okay, yes, yes, uh-huh. All right. Okay, then, uh– then on the supervision, uh, how long you think it’ll take to set that up, how long will they have to be there and how much uh–
Contractor: I would say about uh– (Pause) three to four weeks?
Ijames: Okay, so we figure a– a month, and uh– and that will cost us approximately what for the two people? I think we’ve got it–
Contractor: Two people. Umm– Say again. Can I come back to you this on the mor– The thing is, I’ve got to get in search with the net– see, it’s a specialized engineer I’ve got to get to come out–
Ijames: Yes. Okay, okay.
Contractor: I’ve got to– I’ve got to– you know, I’ve got to (unintelligible word) need for that.
Ijames: Okay, all right. Well, tentatively I think we’ll– Let’s go ahead and– and make the contract up, uh, start getting the contract put together based with– on having these items included that we’ve discussed, and at 55,000, I don’t think we’re going to have uh, any problem there uh, necessarily, and– but I wouldn’t– you know– Meanwhile, if you get these other– uh, this other cost uh, uh, available for us, so we know– know what our total package is, I think, ‘cause we– we’ve got an– we’ve got an agreement here, and see (unintelligible word)– Just a second here. (Pause) Yeah, right, uh, we’ll send a deposit uh, back with the uh, uh, signed uh, copy of the contract.
Contractor: Yeah. Okay, yeah.
Ijames: Yep. (unintelligible word)– Well– What kind of depo– what kind of deposit would you need, and then we– uh, we– we want to arrange it where we– we’d pay a deposit and then uh, upon arrival, we could pay uh, uh– (Pause) when shipped, let’s see here, wait a minute, when shipped, go ahead. (Pause) We’ll send the balance when shipped uh, and then uh, the cost of the uh– of the uh, supervisors and all that will be paid upon completion of– of the uh, installation.
Contractor: Yep. Well, I’ll come to– I’ll come back to you tomorrow with all these details and give you, you know, what we want (unintelligible) I’ve got to see– I’ve got to get (unintelligible word) with my directors as well, you know, (unintelligible) co-partners (unintelligible) to work it out, you know. I’ll come back to you tomorrow. Will you be available?
Ijames: Okay, now, I– I’m– I’ll be traveling, but uh, Mr. Chaikin, Gene Chaikin – you’ve talked with him too, befo– remember? Uh, he– he was the one that called you when he was over in England. Uh, he’ll be here and he’s well aware of uh– of all this, we’ve been discussing it at– at length– at length, and he’s been following it. Now uh, what we need uh– (talks to someone off mic) (back on). Yeah, oh yes, now one thing we are concerned, as I mentioned earlier about the plans on the uh, boiler for the foundation and the refactory, ‘cause we have to start ordering the materials now to uh, have it there on time.
Contractor: Yep. I’ll get those uh, sorted out uh, I’ll see– I’ll request some new drawings made up for you for the boiler– (unintelligible under Ijames)
Ijames: Okay, good.
Contractor: –I’ll go ahead and get them done.
Ijames: Yeah, okay. We’ll need construction schedule so we can– huh? Sketches. Construction sketches, so we know uh– know just exactly what to order.
Contractor: Yeah. We’ll– we’ll give you the com– a full list of everything you’ll require.
Ijames: All right, fine, well then uh, I won’t be in, I have to be on a trip tomorrow, but uh, talk to uh, Gene Chaikin, and uh, he– he’ll have all the paperwork here in front of him and he’ll be prepared to discuss that with you.
Contractor: Okay. Fine.
Ijames: All right. Thank you so much, then.
Contractor: Okay. So long.
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Tape originally posted January 2011