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Ralph Rath: Then, would they contact the San Francisco church? Is that the idea?

Michael Prokes: Right.

Rath: Okay.

Prokes: Right. And uh, one- another thing is that, uh, Ralph, Jim doesn’t like to get into anything that- that takes the- the glory from- from God and- and Christ, and he- he feels there’s- there’s too much personality cultism today.

Rath: I do too.

Prokes: Even though some of it is unintentional-

Rath: Um-hmm.

Prokes: -by the leaders and followers, but you know, there- there are some in our church who would put him on the level of a- the major or minor prophets, but, you know, he won’t allow them to do it. He- You know, he says-

Rath: I- I don’t intend to in the article.

Prokes: Good, ’cause he says he’s just a minister of the gospel.

Rath: Yeah.

Prokes: You know.

Rath: I- That- I- I don’t like that either, and there’s a tendency of that all over the place, and not the least is the Roman Catholic Church. You may have noticed a few trappings like red garments and gold helmets and uh, you know, I mean uh-

Prokes: Right.

Rath: Maybe this is uh, not the old simplicity route.

Prokes: Yeah, well, I did want to tell you, Ralph-

Rath: Yeah.

Prokes: Being that you’re a man familiar with the gifts of this spirit, that, you know, he has- he does have this uh, paranormal faculty that- a gift that has uh- Well, for example y- you know, when I came in, I had a, a slight limp resulting from an auto accident.

Rath: A sli- a slight limp.

Prokes: Right, and it’s uh- And I had it for years, and it hadn’t changed, but it- it’s left, it’s- it’s gone away and uh, I’ve- I’ve seen him used as an- an instrument so many times.

Rath: You have healing services every Sun- uh, Sunday or?

Prokes: No, no.

Rath: No.

Prokes: It’s- he- it- it comes pretty much by- by revelation, but it’s- it’s happened with uh, really some serious conditions, like arthritis and- and crippling and- and eyes, you know, blindness and so forth, but he- he plays it down, saying that that no healing ministry is a panacea, and you know, we must work in conjunction with medical science.

Rath: Uh-huh.

Prokes: For- You know, even the apostle Luke was a physician, ’cause the Bible says that the medicines of that day, the herbs and the- the leaves were for the healing of the nation but uh, you know, many came uh, here claiming to be healed by others and- and turns out they were not-

Rath: Uh-huh.

Prokes: And so he feels that there- that no- no healing ministry’s a- a- is a panacea, and uh, and even though it is part of our worship at times, it’s never heralded as- as such and he- he doesn’t want to be championed in the- the healing realm because he has seen such excesses you know, that uh, have been to the detriment of it.

Rath: My- my feeling on that uh, healing ministry uh, theory that I seem to be going with a little bit is that uh, well, there very, very well may be a natural power uh, in-

Prokes: Right.

Rath: In, in people because-

Prokes: Exactly.

Rath: There are healings done by people who don’t believe in God, there are people uh, and those- you know, though they believe in a inner power of the soul, the Buddhist, you know.

Prokes: Um-hmmm.

Rath: I mean, it’s uh, and uh, uh, I think it is a dimension that in our scientific age we have gotten away with and we are starting to get back to. That doesn’t mean that there cannot be miraculous healing too.

Prokes: Right.

Rath: I think a lot of it is simply a natural power that uh, the people get together in some sort of faith, and then it works.

Prokes: Well, that’s something that, you know, we would have to agree with totally- you know, and I- I- personally I feel like it’s something- I don’t understand it, but, you know, with him, I think it’s a matter of, he has such concern for people and uh, I- I don’t know if that has anything to do it or not.

Rath: Yeah. Or- or-

Prokes: Go ahead.

Rath: Yeah, that’s- that’s what I would agree, and I think that- and in a healing service, a lot depends on uh, if you get the feeling uh, the people caring for each other and concerned-

Prokes: Right, right.

Rath: And somehow get some sort of a union and-

Prokes: Right. Well, we hold hands.

Rath: And work together.

Prokes: We hold hands.

Rath: Yeah.

Prokes: You know, to- to- and- and think on, you know, the person and meditate on the per-person but uh- but I- I agree with you totally on that, and I also wanted to say that that he really had a- a warm regard toward you.

Rath: Well I- I really tried to (unintelligible word)- It’s a little longer than we usually have. I always kept- I was a little concerned I was keeping him away from things, but I was very happy about the conversation.

Prokes: Well, he- he’ll ta- he’ll do that, he’ll take the time with- with people that he sees as- as unusual sensitivity, which he said he saw in you and uh, we really do appreciate your coming.

Rath: Yep.

Prokes: And uh, I don’t envy your job though, rushing the story out.

Rath: Yeah, but that’s- You know, obviously, that I can’t write a book and I am not going to (unintelligible)

Prokes: But even- but even editing and selecting, you know, a difficult thing, but I just wanted to pass those things along.

Rath: O- Okay.

Prokes: And thank you again.

Rath: Okay and uh, I’m going to send you a copy of the article I had in Sunday.

Prokes: Oh.

Rath: I thought after some of our-

(Tape edits)

Prokes: I appreciate it very much.

Rath: Okay, Mike, and if I run into any snags in- in this article, I’ll give you a call.

Prokes: Anytime.

Rath: Okay.

Prokes: Anytime, and if there’s any other kind of assistance we can give, you know, don’t hesitate to call.

Rath: Well you too. If you want to call, I’m here uh, you know, if you got any information uh, what do you think of Joe Dokes, and if I know Joe Dokes, I’ll- I’ll tell you.

Prokes: Thanks so much.

Rath: Okay.

Prokes: Okay.

Rath: Bye.

Prokes: Bye.

Part 2:

(Laughter followed by faint conversation- unintelligible.) (Tape edit.)

(Tones of a person practicing a speech too faint to pick up other than one or two words.)

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Much of the balance of Side A includes faint, unintelligible, informal conversation, with sounds of construction- wood being moved, hammering, etc.- in the background.

The rest of the tape is blank, although portions include sounds of ocean waves.

End of tape

Tape originally posted April 2004

Originally posted on June 16th, 2013.

Last modified on June 10th, 2017.
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