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 Jones: – all the people (unintelligible) I like to see us participate at least in that level, with sane equality and great opportunity–

The Soviet Union is a reliable trading parter– partner, as the world notes. This is a generally known and recognized fact. In recent years, the USSR has been successfully developing business relations with such western countries as the Federal Republic of Germany, France, Italy, and others. The United States is not among other countries, in spite of the fact that many people in the US business world want to develop mutually beneficial trade with the USSR, and are striving to do so.

At the present time, the United States administration is again making attempts to use trade as an instrument for bringing political pressure to bear on the Soviet Union, and is suspending some business contacts with these aims in view. However, some of her capitalist cohorts are not cooperating.

Policy of pinpricks. For this is a policy of pinpricks. They can not produce the results for which certain political figures in Washington are hoping.

The development and– of relations between the USSR and the USA must be approached as a whole with an eye to the broad political prospect, taking into consideration the weight of both countries on the world, seen in resolving the disarmament problem, and strengthening international security and détente – that is, peaceful accord – before we see the world brought into the hell of the hor– holocaust of World War III, nuclear war that– that– that hangs over the heads of all humanity like the sword of Damocles. This international political climate depends on a large measure on the trend in the development of U– Soviet/US relations. All this must be taken into account by US statesmen.

How many people cannot help asking the question: what final choice has been made in Washington, for confrontation or cooperation?

No discrimination. The Soviet Union, the avant garde of liberation in the world, has always favored the vigorous development of trade, economic relations with western countries, including the United States, and a mutual– mutually beneficial basis, without any discrimination.

Dozens of US firms and banks now have permanent missions in Moscow– in Moskva. (unintelligible word) Moscow. They could conclude mutually beneficial contracts in the Soviet Union, if Washington did not put up discriminatory barriers as a result of the Jackson/Vanik Amendment [named after Sen. Henry M. “Scoop” Jackson (D-Wash.) and Rep. Charles Vanik (D-Ohio)] to– Stand by.

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As a result of the Jackson/Vanik Amendment to the Trade Act, which it adopted in 1974, the Soviet Union, as a matter of fact, has been denied most favored nation treatment, which is widespread, as an ordinary and natural condition in the practices of trade in economic relations. Most favored nation treatment would not insure any special privileges or benefits for the Soviet Union. When Senator Jackson was made– was pushing his amendment through Congress, Jackson (unintelligible under radio) his right wing stance. (unintelligible name) the Soviet writer, he had the single aim of bringing pressure to bear on the Soviet Union, so that it would change the Soviet laws regulating the rules for leaving the country for abroad, in favor of such ag– aggressive forces as Zionism. This was crude interf– interference in the Soviet Union’s internal affairs, but the Soviet people cannot be made to live according to American laws, as the senator would like them to do. Yet what has been achieved in the long run by Jackson and those like him? What has been achieved? Senator Jackson’s aim has not achieved the aim that he wanted. The Soviet Union has refused to conduct trade with USA on discriminatory terms. And now, some years after the amendment was adopted, it has finally become clear who has gained and who has lost, from [for] this American businessmen now openly admit that the greatest loss has been suffered by the United States itself, which has missed the opportunity to secure profitable contacts with the Soviet Union, because the Soviet Union believes that the only way that there can be competition between the two s– economic systems, is by– in the economic arena, it is impossible– it’s exclusive to the peace of the world to consider anything else.

I would like to give another commentary. The time and the action in 1968 that safeguarded socialism– that safeguarded socialism in Czechoslovakia. The mass media and number of western countries are present looking back at the events which took place in Czechoslovakia in 1968. As was the case many years ago, they are expressing their regrets about the loss ten years ago, opportunities for improving socialism in that country, so-called. In reality, these regrets are an expression of mourning over the abortive attempt to restore capitalism in Czech– Czechoslovakia, and sever it from the rest of the socialist community, as was stated at the December 1970 plenary meeting of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia. By August 1968, a counter-revolutionary situation had emerged in Czechoslovakia, and the country was on the brink of a civil war, as a result of an acute political crisis, which had been provoked by the right wing, anti-socialist forces, and which had swept all spheres of social and political life. The country faced an urgent question. Would counter revolution – with the backing of international reaction CIA elements – do its evil work, or would the socialist forces rebuff counter revolution, uphold socialism in Czechoslovakia, and strengthen the front in– of socialism in Europe.

Aware of their class, national and international responsibility, for the late– for the fate of socialism of Czechoslovakia, thousands of communists, whole working collectives and representatives of various sections of the Czechoslovak society, including members of the party central committee and deputies of the national assembly, were seeking a way out of the grave crisis. They saw the right-wingers and the party leadership were not taking measures to curb counter revolution and prevent a civil war. They raised that– the domestic forces capable of routing counter revolution were insufficient and asked the leading bodies of other socialist countries for help in protecting the socialist gains of the Czechoslovak people. Anal– Analyzing the lessons of the crisis in the Communist Party, and in Czechoslovakian society at the time, the December 1970 plenary meeting of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia passed a resolution in which it described the international aid of the fraternal socialist countries and the entry of allied troops into Czechoslovakia on August 21, 1968 as an act of international solidarity, which fully accorded with the interests of– of socialism, the vital interest of the Czechoslovak people, and the interest of the socialist community as a whole. The plenary meeting described the act as necessary, and the only correct solution, but one which also followed from the commitment recorded in the declaration of the (unintelligible name) conference of fraternal communist parties on August 3, 1968 to the effect that it was the common international duty of all of the socialist countries to support, strengthen, and protect the socialist gains won by the heroic efforts of selfless work of each nation. The frontal counter-revolutionary attack was thwarted, and the hopes of the imperialist circles for revision of the results of the Second World War, and the isolation of Czechoslovakia from the USSR and other socialist states were completely dashed, and so are we glad. The international action of the socialist countries in defense of socialism in Czechoslovakia created importen– important conditions for the overcoming of the crisis in the country by political means. Czechoslovak communists and all those who upheld socialist gains could now develop a broad struggle against the anti-socialist counter-revolutionary forces, and strengthen socialism in their country, relying on the will and support of the healthy forces inside the party, and the Czechoslovak working people, and new party leadership headed by Comrade [Gustáv] Husák was able to take the country out of the crisis, restoring normal situation in the republic, successfully continue the work of building socialism, and strengthen close ties and cooperation with the Soviet Union, the motherland of all of we who are as socialist and other fraternal socialist countries. Being part and parcel of a powerful socialist community, Czechoslovakia today plays an active role and occupies a respected position on the international scene. This role is defined by its achievements in the economic, cultural, and social fields, and its close all-around cooperation with the Soviet Union and other socialist countries.

The most spectacular achievements have been made by Czechoslovakia over the past ten years. Between 1969 and 1977, its national income increased by 52 percent. This is miraculous. Industrial production rose by 67 percent, and productivity in agriculture by more than 25 percent. Neither under– unemployment nor inflation exist in Czechoslovakia, nor any of the Warsaw Pact Alliance.

The contribution made by the Czechoslovak working people and their com– communist vanguard to the strengthening of the positions of world socialism and the strengthening of peace is greatly appreciated by all those who hold dear the interest of lasting peace, détente – which means peaceful accord – and international cooperation.

From the Voice of America, as we give you the propaganda that emits from that source– There’s been accusations the western nations of lacking courage in dealing with the issue of South Africa. South Africa’s parliament has elected former Prime Minister John Vorster, who is a pro-ally of Adolf Hitler as the nation’s new president to succeed Nicolaas Diederichs, who died last month. Dictator Vorster of Union of South Africa’s election to the largely ceremonial post followed his resignation last week as Prime Minister for health reasons, if you care to dignify him by calling him Prime Minister.

In the presidenti– presidential balloting, Prime Minister Vorster had won easily over two opponents due to the overwhelming parliamentary majority of his rule, national parli– (stumbles over words) ruling national party, par– Christian National Party. The government is headed by the new Prime Minister Pieter Botha, who is retaining his previous portfolio of defense minister. Prime Minister Botha today told newsmen that if the major changes are to be made, announcement will be coming after his first cabinet meeting next Tuesday.

Several hundred black Americans staged their Harlem demonstration on the steps of the Capitol building this very day, demanding that the Senate passed legislations [legislation] aimed at the reducing of en– unemployment. This is the first note of mass movement in US in some time, since the striking mine workers, who gained not one iota because of bossism of [George] Meany who had been a former agent of the CIA, and refused out of his vast and wealthy treasury to give any assistance to the striking mine workers. The demonstrators came to Washington from all parts of the country to participate in legislative workshops sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus. A bill already passed by the House is the top legislative priority of the 17 congressmen who comprise the Black Caucus.

A federal judge here in Washington has scheduled a hearing for later in the day to consider what to do about the nation’s rail strike. The four-day strike has virtually shut down America’s rail system. If allowed to continue, said the Voice of America, it could cause severe economic hardship. Layoffs have already been ordered in the– the automobile un– industry, which is heavily dependent upon the railways, to ship both parts and assembled cars.

On Thursday, [U.S. President Jimmy] Carter ordered railway workers to return to their jobs. The president also appointed special media– mediation board under a federal law which provides for a 60-day cooling off period, but the federal judge failed to back up the presidential order, and railway workers have remained off their jobs. This so-called uh, democracy of USA is having some difficulty in maintaining its stance of prosperity and justice these days, because the president has been threatening to use martial law. It was martial law that ushered in the reign of terror of Nazism. After all, Adolf Hitler, through me– machinations, was elected in Hitler’s Germany.

A special federal grand jury in Baltimore, Maryland has indicted 18 persons on charges of fraud in connection with cenar– corruption within the General Services Administration. But according to many critics, left and liberal, this is only the very trimming of the top. Just a– action to appear to be house cleaning. GSA is the federal government’s chief supplier of equipment and housing, and conducts over five thousand million dollars worth of business nationwide annually. Two of those indicted Friday are former or present managers of U– GSA office supply stores in the Washington DC area. The indictment stems from a 16-month investigation into alleged extortion, rigged contracts and payoffs within the government agency. Similar grand juries are meeting in other US cities, and more indictments are expected.

Ethiopia, according to Voice of America, and Cuba have signed an economic and scientific and technical cooperation agreement. Under the accord, Cuba is to assist Ethiopia in agriculture and irrigation industry, commerce for economic planning. Cuba gave Ethiopia military support in defeating Somalia’s forces in the Ocadan [phonetic] earlier this year, as they rightfully should.

Zambian security forces have rounded up another 500 foreign sus– foreigners suspected of living in the country illegally. So far, so– some 5000 foreigners have been seized in a campaign aimed at fighting a crime wave, supposedly on reducing unemployment. Most of the foreigners are from Zimbabwe, Zaire, Tanzania, and Somalia. An United Nation fo– food and agricultural organization has endorsed a plan to prove– improve self-sufficiency in food on the African continent by 1985.

The death of Pope John Paul [I]: The Catholic Church has been, for the first time, faced with a death of two popes within a period of two weeks [33 days], has stunned and dismayed people in Rome, as it has throughout the religious world. The initial reaction of disbelief has given way to questioning and wonder, why did it happen, and what is to follow? Let us hope that people are beginning to question the justice of the God that does not exist in the universe.

Pope John Paul’s was the second shortest reign in history. Never before, however, has any pope in such a brief period won admiration– such admiration from his flock, nor held out so much promise for his church as did Pope John Paul the first, according to the Voice of America. However, we have noted from liberal left Scandinavian socialist and the communist world that Pope John Paul was anticommunist, through and through. To the average man, he was all that could be hoped for, says Voice of America, a warm and human man, a pastor and a guardian of the faith. And many people here in Rome are convinced that no other pope like him will ever again sit on the papal throne.

Oh yes, one greater than he did: Pope John [XXIII]. Already it is being said that he will rank as one of the great hopes– the popes of the church of the universe. That’s quite a– uh, quite a– uh, statement of uh– (Pause) Stand by, please. (Tape edit)

Go back and– (Tape edit)

–Heart attack early this morning by his secretary, Reverend [Doctor] John Magee, who went searching for him when the pope did not appear at his normal hour at his private chapel. The lights in the bedroom were on, and the pope was lying in his bed as though he had been reading. There was nothing in the pope’s medical history that indicated a heart condition, although he did suffer with rheumatism, and has twice over the years been hospitalized for lung conditions, which doctors said were not tuberculosis. John Paul[‘s] body now lies in state in a hall in the Vatican, and the thousands that file by do so silently and almost without emotion. Many of them say, two such tremendous shocks in less than two months.

Woman: (unintelligible interruption)

Jones: What? What are you saying to me?

Woman: Uh– Sorry, mistake.

> Jones: What’s the matter?

Woman: No, some mistake happened.

Jones: Well, where am I at? Where am I at now? Gotta take it back, ‘cause this all went out on the tape, I expect.

Woman: Start (unintelligible word). Stand by. (Pause)

Jones: You hear the word “tuberculosis,” last word “tuberculosis”?

Woman: Yes, it was “tuberculosis.”

Jones: You got that word?

Woman: Yes, right here.

Jones: Well, stop it then and I’ll go on.

Woman: Okay. (Pause)

Jones: Now go on after tebercr– tuberculosis.

Woman: (affirms)

> Jones: I said more, but I want to cut that all out. (Pause) Okay, ready?

Woman: I’m ready right–

Jones: Hmm?

Woman: I– I’m ready right now.

Jones: All right. Pope John Paul’s body– Pope John Paul’s body now lies in state in a hall in the Vatican. And the thousands that file by do so silently, and almost without emotion. Many of them say two such tremendous shocks in less than two month– two months is too much. The government here in Italy has declared official mourning. Schools are being closed as are theaters and cinema houses. An airline strike already in progress was quickly canceled. My! The– The Church of Rome does have– God’s Vatican does have great effect on labor. The church bells of Rome will be toiling [tolling] mournfully twice each Sunday, and the sacred Congregational Cardinals, now administering the church until a new pope is named, hold its first meeting on Saturday to launch the same series of ceremonials and rituals that were (unintelligible word) for Pope Paul before the six– less than just a few weeks ago, to–  less than two months ago.

We are saddened by the death of any. We are not religious, we are atheist, as all dialectic materialists are, as all Marxist-Leninists must be.

In Washington, both President Carter and Vice President [Walter] Mondale have commented on the death of the pope. Wish they could comment as well on the conditions of the poor, the impoverished, and the political prisoners that are in the prisons of the USA. The president said that during the brief weeks of his reign, Pope John Paul had captured the imagination of his church and of the world, and he no doubt had the promise of be– combining his predecessors’ finest qualities, re-affirming what is enduring and strong in the Catholic tradition, while expanding the frontiers of the church to cope with the needs of the modern world. The vice president recalled that he had represented President Carter and the American people at Pope John Paul’s in– investure [investiture] just a few weeks ago. That occasion, said the vice president, confirmed his initial impression of the new pope as a man of wisdom, simplicity, and striking warmth. Vice President Mondale added we are bound, now that he is gone, to pursue the hopes and expectations that he e– excited in us.

Unfortunately, we are not able to get what we want. Perhaps it would be possible through our kindly guests from the Soviet Union to obtain tapes of Radio Moscow, even though we would pre– be playing them late. All we were able to get from Radio Moscow is commentary.

Many Soviet people know more than one foreign language. Over 35 million are involved in classroom study of foreign languages. A large number of these students are studying English. Some Soviet people are studying English on their own. They do it in a variety of ways. One example: some college students, and some research was– research workers in a town in Siberia spent ten– ten days together on the River Kugar (phonetic). Where they– when they returned home uh, for– they were speaking a very fluent English. They had spent the whole ten days reading nothing but English from morning to dark, talking English, and reading English– reading English. And I think we will probably have to learn Russian the same, from the tapes that have been so ki– kindly provided by [to] us by the consul of the great USSR [Feodor Timofeyev, Consular of Soviet Union embassy in Guyana], who is our guest now, our honorable guest.

As simple as it seems, this method would be hard to use on a massive scale. A more practical method is one developed by a Bulgarian linguist who made a Soviet experiment. The method behind this one is the force– is to force the brain to memorize to full capacity, by persuading the student his brain does have the potential, the learning of new words has a new meaning. It’s possible for some students to learn (Pause) many words a day, upwards of a hundred. But by using this method, they’ve been known to learn hundreds of new words and phrases at colleges in Moscow that have– that have tried the method in just a short time. People have supplied themselves a good knowledge of English in only one month, studying four hours a day. But there are other methods also. Linguists at Moscow University describe the sleeping method. The student is or– exposed to new words and phrases while sleeping in this way. He can gather 3000 words in the mind in two months, it has been proven scientifically. This has been a break– tremendous breakthrough. Many day care centers in the Soviet Union not only teach re– reading and writing plus arithmetic, but a foreign language also. Makes our hearts pant, as the heart does for the waterbrook to be in the USSR– USSR, doesn’t it?

Then, uh, to see such a tremendous variety of education for children in the day school even, learning arithmetic and foreign languages too. Most of today’s 35 million students of– of foreign language in the country are learning in a traditional way. They began studying a foreign language in the fifth grade. Their language may be English, German or French. In five years they have learned the grammar and phonetics in the Soviet Union. And by the time they graduate from high school, they know stude– studies began in the second grade, so that in the final years of high schools, three subjects can be taught in that language: history, geography and literature. The students also corresponded with young people in countries where tho– where these particular languages are spoken, and they travel in those countries, very– every graduate in the Soviet Union is supposed to know at least one foreign language, in tremendous– a tremendous show of understanding and achievement.

Thus ends the news and uh, commentary, of the brief sort that it is today. We urge you for new ideas in the suggestion box for incentive so that we can have, as we said, great feasts and banquets for the people, (unintelligible word) and festive collective banquets for the people. Thank you so much. Much love. (Tape edit)

Part II

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Woman: Okay, do you have anything that’s really emergency?

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Part III

Jones: (in mid-sentence) –who was considered anti-communist has just died of a heart attack. It seems Rome is having some trouble to find a successor to the seat of St. Peter. We are always sorrowed when a human being passes from the scene. We hope that this will be at least an opportunity out of this painful grief that a more progressive pope likes [like] Pope John [XXIII], who was known as the Pope of Peace, will be re-instated– will be esta– esta– established– Uh, stop. Uh– Cancel please.

Man: (speaks inaudibly in background)

Jones: What was that last sentence I was talkin’ bout where I said reinstated?

Man: Let’s see. Stand by, I’ll find out.

Jones: The whole sentence. I’m not havin’ very good success today. (Pause)

Man: You have, uh, “The Pope of Peace would be re-instated.”

Jones: Okay, (stumbles over words) Let’s– let’s (unintelligible word) Uh, the pope– I didn’t say that. I said I– We hope that–

Man: We hope–

Jones: Peace like St. John– like uh, Pope John.

Man: Pope John.

Jones: Okay, I got ya.

Man: Okay. Ready?

Jones: Um-hmm.

Man: Okay. (unintelligible)

Jones: We shall hope that a pope of peace like Pope John, a great peace advocate for co-existence, and so forth, will be elected.

Carter’s meeting today with elements of the Trilateral Commission– As you know, in the United State, the Trilateral Commission and Brezhnev [mistaken reference to Leonid Brezhnev, Communist Party General Secretary, USSR, rather than to Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter’s national security adviser], the chief-at-aide to the president and the security head, is really the power behind the scenes. We have reliable information from Harper’s and Playboy, both what you would consider capitalist or– organs stating, that it was a shoo-in for Brzezinski, who is a neo-fascist, who talks of genocide in open terms, jokingly he– he spoke of leaving the circle to go to speak with some people in his office about genocide. He has in his books, advocated a kind of superman position. He is also an advocate, like Peoples China, gone mad by the doctrine of three worlds, that nuclear war is inevitable, to talk in terms that nu– nuclear war, said Brzezinski, chief aide to President Carter, is certainly acceptable means of warfare and defending democracy, so-called, joke. The ruling class, he should have said– He should have said ethnocentric in the first place, which shows his ignorance.

Newspapers seem to agree that the purpose of the meeting of the heads of the [United Nations] Security Council – this is another bit of news – is– is to head off Zambian anger, over the oil sanction scandal. The Daily Express of London says that [the] meeting will be a humiliating experience for Mr. [James] Callaghan, the prime minister of the Labor Party. The Daily Telegram describes the British prime minister’s visit to – wherever, I cannot decipher – as a pilm– pilgrimage. The paper says that some other person is desperately anxious to end the Rhodesian upheaval, which has almost ruined Zambia, said that he and the British-American government are prisoners of the African militants. Well, that’s of course an interesting bit of news that he and the American are victims of the African militants. It is the Americans and her imperialist lackeys through NATO that are stirring up the African cauldron. They suggest that two leaders should be looking for a new, more realistic plan for solving the Rhodesian problem – Carter and Callaghan, that is – on terms which will enable the whites to remain in Rhodesia and in– (Pause) I don’t catch this word, I presume it must mean South Africa.

The Times says that Mr. Callaghan will not be going to Nigeria, if he did not think it was of the greatest importance to British interest to give president of Nigeria [Olusegun Obasanjo] prompt and public satisfaction. Nigeria has been moving more and more independent of western imperialist circles. It’s an oil-rich nation of OPEC, as you know. African accusition– accusations say that Britain was all along on [Rhodesian Prime Minister Ian] Smith’s side, as has been reported repeatedly by socialist circles. Since UDI and the fow– the row over the oil sanctions make it hard to co– counter such accusations, though they are mistaken and must be denied, the Times says that Britain will be under pressure for a new and real British com– commitment to bring Smith down. I would think so, when the Zimbabwean Patriotic Front, under Robert Mugabe, nationalist and– rather Robert Mugabe, Marxist Leninist, and Joshua Nkomo, nationalist, represents 97 percent of the people of Zimbabwe. Another paper said a minority government in Britain will have to rule out the use of force for this purpose.

The Guardian has editorialized on the Israel attitude of the outcome of the Camp David summit, or should we say “sellout,” on the Middle East. There’ve been irate reaction, even in the reactionary regime of the Shah of Iran, all through the Arab world. There’s deep resentment that Zionist expansionist Israel and Egypt uh, so– more or less a satellite or puppet of US imperialism, and USA had the audacious nerve to negotiate the West Bank, which was taken by force from Jordan and Lebanon, South Lebanon, which is occupied by the aggressively neo-fascist Zionist state.

It is unfortunate that the Jewish people, which are (Pause) and– and– which have been, in the past, some of the greatest friends of change, were lead astray by the capitalist trick of Zionism.

The Guardian – Manchester Guardian, I presume – al– writes almost everything that Begin [Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister] has said since the signing of the agreement has been to provoke the Arab opponents or humiliate Mr. Sadat [Anwar Sadat, President of Egypt]. He urged to– I don’t catch it, I’m trying to listen and tell you at the same time– he urged that things are irresista– irresistible by his continued in– assertion of Israeli presence in occupied Arab territory. Begin, who I would call – to be kind – reactionary prime minister of Israel seems determined to go on poisoning the world.

The Guardian advises the Israelis not to push their luck. The paper says that the Camp David agreement, represented in the ultimate in what President Sadat could give, Israel gave the agreement the most liberal interpretation in favor of the Palestines– Palestinians. This is, of course, capitalistic news, and you have to read between the lines. Obviously, Israel has not given any concession in the situation.

The liberal Mail, who carries a large feature face– page report from a correspondent in Ni–Nicaragua. There has been 10 days of armed rebellion against the country’s military regime. The article is headed “The Ruth– Ru– Ruthless Revenge of General Somoza” [Anastasio Somoza Debayle, President of Nicaragua], who by the way is continually to being backed up by military– with military hardware by multinationals from you-know-where: Washington. And the– the article describe aerial and artillerial bombardment by his fascist government forces. Somoza has been in power for 44 years after a US Marine invasion of that con– that country.

It goes on to describe, as I said, bombardment by government forces against densely-populated towns, whole sections of the towns are said to be burning, gutted, and stinking with corpse[s]. The Morning Star comments on Nicaragua, the paper says that, despite President Carter’s interest in – so-called, we should say – in human rights– If he really were interested in human rights, he would do something about the numerous, thousands as, in a moment of truth, Andrew Young said, were in our own political jails, as well as the Wilmington 10 who are glaringly political prisoners, and the Puerto Ricans that have been kept for 30 years for their resistance to occupation, really, by a foreign power. Puerto– Puerto Rico was invaded by the United States, they wish their independence, for the most part. Polls show that they do not wish to be a state of the United States.

His onl– the only intervention– his only intervention in Nicaragua has been to suggest – Carter’s is, that is – that General Somoza should exercise control over the murdering troops. Well, that’s nice. I’m sure he would say something much more uh, pointedly if he had to discuss various CIA spies, as he recently did who were convicted with clear evidence in the Soviet Union.

At the same time, says the paper, an American journalist is visiting Nicaragua to offer more military aid to the regime. (Scoffs) Isn’t that nice? America is so two-faced. She really– Stand by. (Muffled voice, unintelligible) (tape edit) –is a correspondent, foreign correspondent for New York, often the foreign issues of US journals are a little bit more honest, and should we say, liberal, than those for US consumption. An American journalist in the New York Times is visiting Nicaragua, and he said that the USA is offering– the government is offering more military aid to the regime.

The Costa Rican people have bravely withstood all efforts to get them involved, though it seemed their government was being attempted to be mani– manipulated by the USA and her lackeys into the horrible barbaric murder of the citizenry of Nicaragua.

The main points of the news: The foreign secretary– and, uh, I believe that’s Dr. Owens [Lord David Owen] – I can’t hear clearly – are leaving London this A.M. to meet the president of Zambia [Kenneth David Kaunda]. The meeting will take place in Nigeria, and Rhodesia and Libya are expected to be the main topics.

Israeli Prime Minister Mr. Begin says there have been central misun– general misunderstandings on the part of the Camp David agreements dealing with Israeli settlements of the West Bank. Doctor, uh– Mr. Begin, dictator of Zionist Israel – and that’s my own subjective feeling – who is now on his way home, will have a talk with Mr. Callaghan. Though do not underestimate the number of laboring class Jews in Israel who oppose the Begin policies.

Moves are being made to unite dissidents in Eastern Europe and Polish– and Czechoslovakian activists have announced plans for an international something – I wish I could hear it– uh, I– international (Pause) symposium or something, I– it’s not clear. The Organization of American States has begun discussing the crisis in Nicaragua. The Organization of American States is considering sanctions.

Nigeria has lifted a state of emergency, which has been in force for 12 years. They’re, as you know, promising new elections. Let us hope. Let us hope. (Pause) (tape edit)

Railway strike in USA: It appears likely that the president will use his authority under existing law to declare a national emergency, which of course he has right at his fingertips, just as all of the pseudo-democracies have, as Hitler had when he set up the interesting situation in Germany by taking [Marinus van der Lubbe] a mental patient out of the Dutch hospital, placing him at the Reichstag– his secret police, the Gestapo, that is, and giving– putting oil cans around him, combustible instruments, and then setting fire to this– the Reichstag, the parliament building in Germany. And, as you know, uh, he was also accused of being – this mental case – of being a communist. This happened after even Hitler had been named chancellor, and given a great deal of power, where five million communists were still showing their courage at the ballot. It was only then that he gained enough power to begin the repression that led to the horrible concentration camps, which indeed killed m– many, many communists, socialists– not only Jews, but all those who resisted (tape edit) fascism, which is the final state of monopoly capitalism. There is no other place for monopoly capitalism to go. Union sources say the law does not say that– that it was intended to handle situations where the strike is actually started, so if a back to where– or work to order comes, union spokesman, heads– get answer the question to the legislative representative. And they made it clear that he thinks that they are not required to go back to work, but certainly we saw the 115 miners who struck bravely with– that were in near poverty, and they in fact were in poverty. The only union that gave them any assistance was some food help from some– a garment labor organization which has been for the uh, Soviet Union for many years, and good old Mr. Maney– Meany who was a boss, which makes it difficult in the United States for any revolutionary ferment. You have to have an– a active communist party, very strong and independent, at least active socialist movement, and an active and free trade union movement. Unfortunately we lack some of those elements today in the United States to say the least, though there’s some brave people that we speak with, and we’ll be anxious if we could be of any assistance upon the advice of our Soviet brothers and sisters. But at this time we saw that we would have been devastated, our seniors would’ve been destroyed, that the fire’s being set, and the assassination attempts on my life and my wife [Marceline Jones], and so many children – little children – are trying their smears, their press smears, plus all of the other horrid things to close our school. I suppose every agency in the United States started the investigation simultaneously against us, and looked like we could never live through it, but we have survived, thanks to socialism.

The next move will probably come from President Carter at a press conference scheduled to begin within the hour.

South Africa has a new prime minister [P.W. Botha] – I did not catch the name – who for 12 years served as the country’s defense minister. His views are well-known. He is a hard-liner on racial apartheid, a fascist. Most of the leading leadership of west– of South Africa were actually allies of Hitler during World War II. And he’s a hawk on military matters. The claim that he could send the country to uh– to war if he chose, but he did not at this time, he promised to work for better relations between the racians– races. John Vorster, who retired as prime minister, if you want to be so kind as to call him an elected official, because of ailing health, so-called, has been nominated for the largely ceremonial post – whatever that is, I can not detect over the news, the static is too bad.

President Carter, speaking– is making all the moves preparatory to ordering radio– railway workers back to work for 60 days. Of course, of course, I’m sure he is. Labor has begun to wake the sleeping giant of labor, something we have not seen in an apathetic America, that is increasingly racist in every nook, crook and cranny.

For the last three days the strike has threatened three-fourths of the US labor system. Secretary Marshall [Labor Secretary Ray Marshall] speaking, the Norfolk and Western, BRAC, have an–have been unable to reach an agreement during the past 26 hours. I am going to say– stay in touch with both parties and urge them to continue their negotiations. Secretary Marshall says the president has received a recommendation from the National Mediation Board, that is, Secretary Marshall is of the railway union, to set up an emergency board under the Railway Labor Act.

The union legislative counsel James Kennedy–

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(side 2)

Jones: There is, for the first time, in some areas, though I must admit it’s miniscule and almost microscopic, the union of black and white, coming out of racial concerns, not fighting for black liberation or white liberation which is ridiculous, but are working together as in Harlan County, when they resisted the mines for working class liberation. And so it was with the miners in the u– the United Mine Workers a few weeks ago. This is the only hope for America, and America’s a dangerous giant today. The Fortress America with her finger on the nuclear button, has madness enough to think, like China in her idiocy, that nuclear war is thinkable. Of course, China, in her plans feels that if nuclear war comes, because of her massive population, she will be the winner, but it’s an insane kind of concept, and in no way does she carry out sincerely her doctrine of the Third World. (tape edit) Ridiculous, they trying to make USSR as the most dangerous party of the First World, and her ridiculous overtures of the Second War– the Second World, I meant, exploitation and expansionism. And the Third World is more ridiculous yet, in that China has not led any liberation struggles. She’s on the wrong side in Angola, the wrong side in Ethiopia, she’s on the wrong side in uh, Southeast Asia, in Kampuchea, formerly Cambodia, which has turned– The nationalist element of the Khmer Rouge has taken over and killed two million of the population. We are in a difficult time. But let us hope that America can awake, the sleeping giant can awake, to resist capitalism before it’s too late.

Said the– (unintelligible) union legislative counsel, James Kennedy, we have been trying and busting our rear side, said to get this thing settled, and maybe they should ask the administration, who are the bad guys? Ray away u– Stay away, union lawyers, James Kennedy, President Carter (unintelligible) President Carter may make his decision about what to do about the rail strike at his news conference. You can hear the president live a half hour from now over many of the entertainment uh, work– network stations. Well, Americans will have to set aside their soap operas for a moment, and their hypnotic boob tube, to be able to listen to the facts that the labor class struggle is indeed a reality in the United States of America.

The House Assassination Committee hearings in the killing of the President [John F.] Kennedy are winding down. The committee is wrapping up these hearings today, weaving together reports of organized crime’s anger at the Kennedy Administration for its tough law enforcements against that the mob figures may have arranged for the assassination. No mention, of course, of the numerous writings that would’ve referred to the oil interest who has later the day before President Kennedy’s journey to Dallas took out ads, calling him a monster and calling for his annihilation. Chief Counsel Robert Blakey told US organized crime had a motive, the opportunity and the means to carry out the pl– the plot. Testimony so far, however, has not proven that such a conspiracy exist. It’s ridiculous. The Mafia were not ones that uh, stood to gain. Kennedy was at least more amenable to peace. He would not give the Air Force backing that [Richard] Nixon and [Dwight] Eisenhower had requested to invade the Cuban – the only free territory in the Caribbean – so those who had everything to gain were the rightwing conspiracy, the multinational rulers, the elitists, the capitalists that rule the United States.

Florida crime boss [Santo] Trafficante denied under oath the accusation that he had known in advance that Kennedy would be killed.

Research at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston has come up with a new blood test to detect some cancers before the normal symptoms show up, says Radio BBC. I wish I had better news available, but we do not have good reception from Moscow, and we are not the slightest interested in Peking’s ballyhoo and propaganda. Early detection means a better chan– chance of cure. (Pause) (tape edit) Stand by.

Man: (unintelligible)

Jones: What’s the matter?

Man: Well, you should stand by.

(unintelligible exchange)

Jones: Botha has been selected as the new South Africa prime minister. Vorster is stepping down for reasons of health, although his policies are expected to be continued, if not more aggressively, by Botha, a hardliner, as much a neo-fascist as Vorster who, up until now, has been defense minister. That’s my commentary.

Congressman John Conyers walked out of the Black Caucus meeting called by President Carter on how you failed him on the issue of priorities, and he said that Carter should push the Humphrey/Hawkins bill before other legislation. Conyers: This is not a matter between me and the president, this is now a question between the people who believe that the Democratic Party has an obligation to come forward with the response for joblessness, growing inflation, and constitutional justice, which is not addressed either in the gas bill or the tax bill. Conyers says President Carter will have to face the issue again when he faces black congressmen this weekend.

More and more black congressmen are being harassed, according to Lieutenant Governor [Mervyn] Dymally, our friend, who’s written a book that has clearly pointed out how blacks have suffered in the dilemma of black politics. Every politician or leader who is black or minority such as myself has been the victim of smear, investigations or outright criminal indictments, like Congressman uh, from– uh, I don’t readily remember his name, uh, in– in uh, Michigan, who was sentenced– he’s the chairman of the subcommittee of House Affairs, black uh, uh, concerns, the House Affairs for Africa. Anyway, we– [Charles] Diggs is his name. He faces 175 years and 37 felony counts. This is the kind of justice that is meted out to those who dare to speak a word, and if they dare to, like Andrew Young, they’re whipped into submission. We who are Marxist-Leninist should know this, that the one thing that often causes people to lose their courage, is fear of loss of reputation, or fear of death. Everyone dies at some point or another. We have lived with death at times, and yet, the very next hour after the conflict was over, joy returned to our lives. It’s better to live joyously for principle and to die honorably than to have to do as Andrew Young did, read off a text with his head bowed before the eyes of the nation, apologizing for his courage momentarily to speak the truth.

Anyway, some US delegation is to go to Cairo within two weeks to begin work on a peace treaty – I cannot hear – In Tel Aviv, Israeli– Israelis were in long queues to sign up for the tours of Egypt. A reverse exodus is to begin as soon as the border is open. In Egypt, the military are getting ready to work on (Pause) some kind of public service improvements. I’ve left out and made commentary, a lot of the news, it’s just the same old pabulum.

A Cleveland council woman says she doesn’t care what the ACLU – American Civil Liber– Liberties Union – says, she and her neighbors will continue to call the wives of men seen talking to prostitutes, although she may be responsible for some divorces, she admits. Well, that’s interesting news. I’m sure she called the w– the uh, uh (laughs) wives of men seen to talk– talking to prostitutes, she will be able to solve the whole situation. As you know, Cleveland has a uh, patronage m– uh, mayor, [Dennis Kucinich] a mayor who has given uh, the old spoilage practices and given jobs to his (Pause) family and uh, important establishment friends, and he was up for a recall, but the establishment was clever enough to have it on Sunday, and of course, that’s the religion which is the opiate of the people, that’s why we are all atheist. That was the thing that lost the vote. The blacks, which represented the mi– the majority of Cleveland, were in church, studying about heaven, which does not exist. This is the only heaven we’ll ever have on earth, what we develop with our own sweat and blood.

A Cleveland council woman says she does not care what the ACLU says (pause) as I said. She’s going to go on the straight campaign, going to launch it throughout the nation. I love– I– I love USA’s campaigns. They have such meaning to them.

John F. Diner, a Republic– Republican congressional candidate, has lost his radio ad– The voice sounded just like that of radio news commentator Paul Harvey. The voice is actually that of David Spencer. He says he just happens to sound like Har– Harvey, none of which explains why the announcement begins, “Hello, America,” does it?

Oh, there’s so much, much generous news. I’m getting a little bit of Radio Moscow. Let’s see. The Soviet Foreign Minister, Andrei Gromyko, and the American Secretary of State, Cyrus Vance, have discussed in New York the remaining unsettling re– uh, questions concerning their working out of an agreement to limiting the strategic defense uh– of defense arms which is a priority today. Peace is a priority, when you have madmen like Brzezinski and the Chinese uh, renegade nationalist mainland which– who– who advocate openly nuclear war solution for problems. Addressing the UN General Assembly, Andrei Gromyko said that she– the talks of the issue could be completed successfully, if a sober course takes the upper hand in the United States. Meanwhile, it was reported from Geneva that the Soviet and American delegation again met today to discuss ways of limiting strategic defensive harms– arms. May it be. Our deepest wishes that such suc– suc– much success shall come to it.

Today is the first day of the work of an international concert [conference] of the liberation movement in South Africa fighting apartheid. The conference is held in connection with international– uh, I don’t catch it, against aparty– apartheid proclaimed by the United Nates– Nations speaking on the eve of the opening of the conference. The President of the World Peace Council, (Pause) Chandler [Romesh Chandra], and the liberation– said the liberation of South Africa is one of the most important international issues of concern to all the world. Indeed, it is. It’s a fascist Germany, upheld by 447 billion dollar aid from our tax dollars which makes us have no small amount of guilt that we pay taxes in USA in the first part of this year, not to mention the billions that was also brought out by even some US journalist uh, when forced to by socialist alternative presses, that money was being smuggled by multinationals to the dread South African regime where people live in abject poverty, where husbands and wives do not see each other– see each other from holiday– Christmas holiday to holiday, because the women live in and are the– the mammies that take care of the babies, the white babies of the ruling class, and the middle class, the petty bourgeoisie and the bourgeoisie. They are however not allowed to live together, so the black male has to live outside. And in the evening, black males who work in the cities, and all blacks for that matter, have to walk often miles to nothing more than ca– uh, conference– uh, concentration camps, and carry passbooks, just as Nazi Hitler’s Germany. The liberation of South Africa is, I would agree with the World Peace Council, the most important international concern. The existence of the racist regime would’ve been impossible without large-scale support of the US imperialist powers and her lackeys. Indeed so. Anyone with their right mind would also know that.

The League Chairman of the special United Nations Committee on Apartheid, Leslie Harriman, has called on all countries to step up the struggle against the racist regime in South Africa. He said in New York, New York, it was the duty of the United Nations to press for the Africans’ liberation from racism without delay. Leslie Harriman was speaking [in] connection with the coming day of solidarity with political prisoners in South Africa. It will be observed on October 11. There’s also much world pressure needed, particularly being championed by the avant garde of liberation, the Soviet Union, the Warsaw Pact, for Namibia. That’s just why the Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia voted against the United Nations solution. It does not guarantee a really independent Namibia.

United Nations General Secretary [Kurt Waldheim] feels that ratification by all countries of the international convention on (Pause) the crime of ray– apartheid is a must in the (Pause) objective of action against racism. This is the main conclusion he makes in his report. United Nations circles draw attention to the fact that the United States, which poses [as] a ch– a champion of human rights, has not signed the basic document. It’s also readily important to note that the recent meeting on human rights conducted in Geneva, Switzerland was not attended by two states: Zionist Israel, who the world has indicted for racism – pity that they would practice in reverse that which was practiced on them by the Nazis – and USA, who upholds racism– racisism, not only in Israeli, but in other countries of Africa and throughout the world in their puppet re– lackey control. Also in the United States itself.

Rhodesia’s racist regime has remarked– embarked on a course of constant active aggression against Mozambique and Zambia, again aided by the fact that USA hypocritically, without any shame, has lifted the bar on arms limitation, economic aid to Rhodesia. (Unintelligible, sound like “The Church”) of the Rhodesian Army operations wall has boasted in South Africa, that there has not been a single day of the year when Rhodesian troops have not engaged in hostilities outside the country. (Pause)

Someone has denounced an attempt to the west to send to Africa– I think it is uh, more mercenaries in the interest of monopoly influences in uh, Zimbabwe, which of course, no way in the world that those two nations could be maintained except by outside, uh, military might. US might. All the money, the 200 years of advancement they’ve had in development through capitalism. They have a great deal of wealth. The Soviet Union, barely fifty years young, then having to face a wa– a war and the– carry the brunt of the war. And actually, you might say, American troops were held back and allowed the massacre of a hundred thousand Germans in Berlin, a hundred thousand, rather, Soviets in Berlin, fighting the Nazis. Some have heard statements, as we did on the television, Dresden that even [Franklin] Roosevelt offered Hitler and [Paul Joseph] Goebbels that if they could stop the Russian advance and kill off enough of the Soviets, they would still make a separate peace settlement with the m– murderer Hitler.

The corporations seek control of the continent’s mineral wealth. The USA cannot survive really, without this. The only way they survive and have their consumer advantages today is by exploiting the natural resources of other countries, making super profits. To camouflage the– (Stumbles over words) the West claims that it is also the African countries who are interested in them helping– uh, helping them with their technology. However, between 1958 and ‘74, the 18 African countries associated with the Common Market received for the purpose from the European development fund, a ridiculously low sum, a mere seven million dollars. It takes tens of million do– of millions of dollars to build one medium-sized enterprise in the engineering or chemical industry. Behind the interior scheme, is profiteering by the monopoly cro– capitalist. And they do it without shame. It is the monopoly’s report and not the national interest of the developing countries.

The President of Syria [Hafez Al-Assad] is discussing the situation in the Arab world with the government of Kuwait, the conclusion of Israel-Egyptian separate deal at Camp David with Carter, the figurehead, at least, for the Trilateral Commission. The Syrian president is now touring some of the Arab countries and explaining the need for outright confrontation against Israel and Egypt, if this unholy summit agreement is upheld. The front has rejected the deal, and much of President Carter’s political future, say some – many commentators in fact – rest on him being able to get this manipuly deal for US imperialism.

Again, as you know (Pause) from yesterday, even Nixon, an open criminal who has been proven to be so, has made millions, as we reported, his accounts are in the millions now, even though his wife [Pat Nixon] has had ill health. I guess criminals do pay in the end, but that’s not the purpose of socialists. Uh– We are interested in justice and the feeling it gives to us, in fighting for justice. But Nixon actu– actually has a better lead in the polls than Carter does at the present time.

The Front has rejected the deal. It has nothing to do with the Middle East settlement. Members of the Front are Syria, Libya, Democratic Yemen, Algeria, the Palestinian Liberation Orgaza– Organization, the PA, the Palestinian Liberation Front.

In Tripoli, the permanent secretary of All-Arab Peoples Congress stated at its recent session that the agreements reached at Camp David show that President Sadat has– (Stumbles over words) gone into the camp of the Zionist and the imperialist.

France will set down for a disarmament committee in Geneva. This has been announced after a meeting of the cabinet. In his speech, [Valéry Giscard d’Estaing] President of France said this country will help to bring world peace before it’s too late. France, until now, has been a member of the Geneva committee, but did not take part in it, at first, according to this report.

There are 21 countries – I’m about through, the news is a little longer than usual and much more staticky and difficult to get to you – there are 21 countri– commit– countries on the committee, and it will begin holding meetings in (Unintelligible city) starting in January. The committee was opened to new members by the decision of the special session of young General of Disarmament held this year– of the young General of Disarmament.

The opposition broke in Nicaragua, saying peace in this country can only be restored through the resi– resignation of dictator Somoza. The broad opposition front and the Sandin– Sandinista National Liberation Front have rejected the possibility of any talks with the dictator.

US news media that have tried to say that – and even had the nerve to say that – all of the local uh, (sighs) opposition had been killed off in Nicaragua, so these had to be Cuban resistors, uh, are just too ridiculous to mention. But anyway, none will have anything to do with uh, Somoza. The Americans have already sent their special inquiry [envoy], William Jordan, to Managua. By using these tactics, the Americans expect to keep in power the dictorial [dictatorial] fascist regime which is getting the large American military, political and economic aid. Using American weapons, the Somoza regime is conducting last reprisals against the population taking part in the rebellion. More than ten thousand citizens have already been murdered by troops trained by American subjects. My God.

The Executive Committee of the Socialist Economic Community is meeting in Mongolia, I believe. Economic integration program and discussing ways of extending the organization’s content– contact with Mongolia, an alliance. As you know, the sifty– the Soviet Union have many, many ethnic groups and nationalities that live perfectly in harmony. As Muhammad Ali said, the only place he had never felt racisism. In one interview, recently, in Washington, when a TV com– commentator was attempting to be smart, he said, don’t you know it was probably staged to you? He said, do you believe? Well, it’s– that’s very wonderful, if they can stage thousands, tens of thousands, people running out in the streets, greeting me, well-dressed and well-groomed. They must have quite a bit of equipment and modern uh, [short laugh] clothing and so forth, to be able to make such a staging. Muhammad Ali has his own colorful way of doing these things. He is due to visit here, along with Dick Gregory, in a few– few months at– at least and maybe earlier.

The opening speech was made by– in Mongolia, by the first efforts of the Mongolian Peoples Revolutionary Party, [Jambyn Batmönkh] the Chairman of (Pause) the Peoples Republic of Mongolia. He said that cooperation of economic community – it’s very difficult to understand now, at this point – economic growth of this country. The Mongolian leaders sharply criticized the socialist, (Pause) so-called, forces of China and its attacks on Vietnam – which are obvious – and their inciting of Kampuchea, as the Khmer Rouge, as I said, which has turned nationalistic, and uh, (unintelligible word) Kampuchea is no longer a socialist revolution, and has killed a third of its population, est– over two million people. Cuba and Mongolia were praised highly.

The Soviet government has sent a message to the General Assembly of the United Nations, natural resources– resources conservation which have be– been uh, meeting in Soviet Central Asia. The message says that cooperation of the sti– scientists make it possible to solve the problem of protection of the environment much more effectively and also should better the international situation. Representatives of 103 countries are taking part in the gathering.

For the fourth month of– the board– for the fou– fourth month on board, the space platform, which is a absolute ini– initial breakthrough– a first– the Soviet space flight is the longest so far and exceeds by 20 days their space endurance record (Stumbles over words) by an American au– astronaut. One of the space experts says that the station has opened the way to gaining even more permanent knowledge and uh, awareness of our world. It was impossible to regulate– uh, something not clear. Scientific laboratory– laboratory on this station– It’s very difficult for me to understand. Anyway, we know that they have been able to learn much about the world and the atmosphere. We hope they’ve also been able to learn some technology of defense against US military aggression and clear first strike (Pause) reservations which they’ve maintained for themselves. As we all know, the S– United States is one of the few nations that refused to even sign a genocide treaty, which is horrible enough. It’s unimaginable that a people would refuse to sign and– a genocide treaty, guaranteeing that they would not kill off any part of their people or other peoples.

In the Soviet Union there is a system of continuing education, including both children and adults. This was stated in an interview in Moscow by the Vice President of the Academy of Scientists– Sciences. He explains that every now– that even now, young person rese– receives a secondary education – everyone does – at the minimum, and every person goes through a refresher course once in four or five years. More than forty million persons study at school and are trained for new pro– per– per– professions. Various courses and so forth. As you know, the Soviet Union has also a very unique policy. A person is guaranteed the right to hold their job for three years, as I pointed out to you, I think, in some previous news article. They have the right to maintain their job for three years before they can be fired, giving them time to learn the– the task. No greater job security could be found anyplace in the world. Would that the USA had such security, and then free health guarantees and all of the oth– other. Impossible, impossible. (Pause)

The final point of the day– and the news has been too long, but some wanted some commentary, so we shall give it. The talking point in US government quarters today is prog– in progress is US-Chinese relations. Broadening cooperations, so-called, between the two countries and a second thaw after the first one following President Nixon’s visit to China in 1972. Speculation about such relations increased as a result of the establishment of a livelier political contact uh, between the two countries. Some growth in trade this year is expected to amount to 700 million as it compared with 374 million last year, and the broadening of scientific and other exchanges. This would have been an encouraging trend, if it were based on the mutual desire of both countries to promote the cause of peace and detente. Unfortunately, the latest developments, especially of the recent visit to China by a US government scientific delegation, gives reason to question the sincerity of the intention of the two sides. Indeed, if one is to take a look at the extensive scientific and technological cooperation program [words “between China and the United States which is being discussed in US” unintelligible here, interjected from Q 267] press, the question may arise, what either side expects to gain from the development of contacts in the field. As for the US, the scientific community has safe– lately lost much of its interest in Chinese acupuncture– acupuncture, and there is nothing else Peking can offer in the way of technology. It is no secret that even the little that Chinese science and technology had achieved, was destroyed during the reign of Mao Tse-Tung and his zealous associates now referred to as the Gang of Four. On the other hand, the Chinese leadership does not conceal its plans to use Western economic and scientific know-how, particularly that of the US, for carrying out its programs of four modernizations. The main target of that program is to modernize the Chinese armed forces, which in terms of numbers of troops are the largest in the world, so they are the real hegemony power. So it– it is not bilateral cooperation at all. It is in fact unilateral aid from the US for China’s efforts to build up her military and academic and economic potential to threaten the USSR. The talks held in Peking– Peking between China’s leaders and a high-ranking US delegation led by Frank Press, science and technology advisor to President Carter who’s known for his rightwing thinking, bear this out. The US representatives at this– at the talks sought to create the impression that they were discussing such innocuous things as cooperation in space research, energy production, the use of natural resources, oceanography, et cetera, while China’s Deputy Premiere, Fang Yi, bluntly said that US-Chinese cooperation in the field of science and technology would contribute to the struggle against hegemony. This was an invitation for the United States side to participate in China’s military (Pause) and political programs. The worn-out pieces about hegemony was used to indicate that this cooperation would be directed against the Soviet Union. USA had better be careful. She’s being used to give China the hegemony that she seeks to be the one power that remains after the nuclear holocaust that she envisions to take place and is working very hard to bring about.

It would be appropriate to point out that, while presenting itself as a weak country oppressed by superpowers, Peking is persistently seeking to put into practice (Pause) its imperial ambitions that– and seizes every opportunity to press claims for foreign territories wherever possible, and any unbiased observer is aware of the dangers of the policies pursued by the Chinese leadership lately, who have completely left the communist aims of Marx and Lenin, and have gone into a nationalistic chauvinism. Shortly after cur– carrying out a unilateral military operation aimed at seizing the partial– the Paracel ice islands, China resorted to open blackmail against Japan, trying to gain control over the Sen Kaku islands. Then China turned against Vietnam. Having decided to reestablish its traditional sphere of influence, Peking first set Cambodia against Vietnam, and then deliberately, blowing out of all proportion the problem of resident Chinese in Vietnam, resorted to direct erect– interference in the internal affairs of that country.

The New York Times justly termed China’s arrogant policy a dangerous game– gamble. Even the rightwing– New– U– US News and World Report warned the USA against China’s aims. It’s only to bring them into conflict between USSR and USA, says US News World and Report, and that ultimately to bring about a nuclear war in which China sees herself as the winner. The United States appears to want to become involved in Peking’s gamble out of desperation. In any case, Washington has approved the s– sale of China– the sale to China of military-related equipment, such as scanning facilities for geographical or geophysical rockets. (Pause) It also encourages military cooperation between Peking and the United States Western allies. Does the White House realize that in hoping to use China’s expansionist ambitions to its own advantage, it overestimates its strength and underestimates the political acumen of the Chinese leaders? There was a period in the history of US policy in Asia, when Washington supplied raw materials and military technology to the main expansionist power in that part of the world, at the beginning of the century. At that time too, the United States hoped that it would use them in the right direction. Those hopes were dashed at Pearl Harbor. So US-Chinese scientific and han– technological cooperation is not as safe for the US national interest as it might seem at first glance, because it will eventually back– backfire. Unfortunately, China has lent herself to a racicism– a racism and a chau– chauvinism, a nationalism. Perhaps – no doubt – she suffered under the– greatly the Boxer Rebellion and uh– the uh– (Pause) Stand by. Stand by.

Male: Mmm, hmm.

Jones: Boxer Rebellion and what–

(tape edit)

– a reindeer calf which had strayed from the herd at the (unintelligible name, sounds like “Omayakanski”) state farm in the Arctic Circle in the Soviet Union. Reindeer herders rushed to the scene, but before they got there, the leader of the reindeer herd had edged up on the eagle. It kicked at the bird with its [“hooves” unintelligible here, interjected from Q 267], tumbled it on its back and trampled on it angrily. By the time the herdsman reached the scene, all that was left of the eagle was a heap of feathers. That’s quite unusual. Thought that would just be an interest of note. We are interested in animals and all such nature life around us. Thank you and greetings of peace and goodwill. (tape edit) That’s it.

Male: (unintelligible)

End of tape

Tape originally posted January 2011

Last modified on January 3rd, 2019.
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