Q907 Transcript

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(Editor’s note: This transcript does not include all the verbal acknowledgements during the phone conversation when the other person is speaking.)

Newsman: He missed me, so uh, I’ll just try and get back to him. Uh, when do you expect him back?

Sandy Bradshaw: Uh– Probably not until tomorrow night.

Newsman: Okay.

Bradshaw: I can give you a little bit of rundown now, what–

Newsman: Okay, (word cut off)

Bradshaw: –uh, he was calling about. This is Sandy Bradshaw. I talked to you–

Newsman: Oh, sure. Yeah.

Bradshaw: –one other time before. Uh, we were just uh, wondering uh, we may be interested in having uh, uh, someone do a documentary.

Newsman: Mm-hmm [Yes].

Bradshaw: And we’re just sort of uh, thinking about at this point in time. And uh, one thing that uh, Jim has always uh, felt a lot of regard for you, and uh, wanted us to be sure and– and uh, give the offer to you to see uh, how you would feel about it, it uh–

Newsman: Yeah, do you mean uh, uh, what uh, a television news documentary? Is that what–

Bradshaw: Yeah, uh-huh [yes].

Newsman: Yeah, mm-hmm.

Bradshaw: But we would need to know like how long it would take and just some uh, basic ground rules type thing in– in writing, to see uh– ‘cause we do have some other possibilities, but he wanted to be sure that you knew, uh–

Newsman: Mm-hmm [Yes]. Well, I’ve been trying of course to get to Jim for a long, long time, but we– we were friends way back when uh– when the Peoples Temple started, and then uh– and he got involved in a lot of our projects on the air, and I was– I was one of his big boosters, and I was probably as shocked as anybody when all– whatever happened, happened. We have kind of stayed away from this story, because we haven’t understood it, and uh– until recently when uh– when we– I received some information from people in the Temple about uh, the little boy [John Victor Stoen] and this is why Jim didn’t want to come back, because he wanted to make sure that the uh, custody case was settled, or something to that effect. And I had– and then there– then some negative publicity came out about uh, British Guiana and– and uh, what was going on there.

Bradshaw: Oh, really?

Newsman: And uh– well, you know, some of the– some parents had said that children were being held against their wi– I don’t know what the deal was, but what I– what I had proposed at that time – and I– I don’t know– I don’t think it was you that I talked to, but I’m not sure at this point, there’ve– there’ve been quite a few people – I said, you know, uh, if there’s ever a chance to go down and talk to Jim and look over the facilities and just do a– do a story on– on what’s there and what’s going on, either to– you know, just for the light of day to see into there, which we’ve never– we’ve never been able– I guess new– a newspaper has. Uh, hasn’t there been a newspaper down?

Bradshaw: Uh, they have had some uh–

Newsman: In the past, yeah–

Bradshaw: –press, yeah, from that uh, area of the world, I think. (stumbles over words) They have uh, visitors come through all the time, uh–

Newsman: Right, right.

Bradshaw: Just uh, just a couple of weeks ago, the head of the Guyana Livestock Corporation, Dr. [Peter] Fernandes came through, and uh, he is a member of one of the wealthiest business families in the country and has traveled all over, and he stayed on the project a long time and looked into every phase, talked to people at random. He was very, very impressed. He said he’d been to other societies who had uh, uh, called themselves egalitarian, but this was the purest society he has even seen. There was no elitism at all, uh, Jim of course takes no privileges over any of the people there, and he was very, very touched by the purity of the so– society, people from all uh, racial and religious backgrounds, and working together, uh, it wa– just overwhelmed him.

Newsman: Oh, that’s great.

Bradshaw: We have a lot of people come through, uh, people from the State Department here have come through, people from– officials from Guyana sort of show it off all the time, because it is such a model community.

Newsman: Well, I had talked at one time, quite some time ago, with Charles Garry, uh, who was handling some of the legal aspects, and he had been there, and he seemed to be very high on what he’d seen. See, I don’t know. I don’t even know if a trip there is necessary. All I know is uh, uh, Reverend Jim Jones uh, started out way up in the Northern California area, and I had made my first contacts then, when I was trying to get a kidney for a little boy, and he donated uh– or through the– through the uh, the church, donated some uh– some money, and we were able to get a kidney transplant and save this little boy’s life, and from that point on, we just had a very good working relationship, and uh, I was into something a little bit different in– in electronic journalism, and that was uh– well, uh, not becoming an advocate, but uh– but at least trying to– to find some ways for people to help themselves better than they were being helped by the bureaucracy and that sort of thing. And uh, the last time I talked with him, we had– we had uh, a family of five sleeping in a– oh, I don’t know, parking uh, rest area up alongside the road, and she had to go back for cancer treatment in the East, and they had no money left for a place to stay, and he had called me uh, late one night and uh, sounded very tired, and said, look, we have homes, and he gave me an emergency number, and he said, I’m sure one of our church members can put them up. And uh, unfortunately, the church member was black and the people were white, and there was a– a problem, you know, it was one of those stupid things you run into.

Bradshaw: Oh, dear.

Newsman: But anyway, uh, that was the last contact. Then all of a sudden, all of this uh– the New West magazine, the breaking and entering and all of that stuff started coming out and uh, I just kinda rode with it to find out– you know, I really didn’t know what was going on. I to this point don’t know. Is the church still functioning fine and everything here?

Bradshaw: The church is still functioning here, yes. Our programs are going on. Naturally, because of the uh, uh, unobjective media coverage, we are playing very low key at this point in time. We have always stood for the uh, freedom of the press. In fact, you know what we did for the Fresno Four, because we felt so strongly about it. And then to see the press, uh, for whatever reasons – and– and we are getting to the basis, we think, of some of the reasons behind this smear campaign – whatever the reasons, we were shocked to see this kind of uh, one-sided, very biased distorted coverage of such a large humanitarian work, as we’ve built up over the years, that a few people who were dissenters and liars, and if anyone looked into their background could see their vantage points that they’re speaking from, but no one seems to uh, be taking the time to uh, check into the sources of their so-called information. So uh–

Newsman: Umm-hmm. Well, we haven’t uh– we haven’t denigrated the Temple at all, because we have been kind of on the cusp. We’ve had uh– I– you know, I– it– it may be unfortunate, this time and place, that uh– that the Temple all of a sudden gettin’– gets mixed up uh, ideologically oh– in people’s minds with uh, the Reverend [Sun Myung] Moon group and uh, the Synanon problems that may be coming around and some of those things and– you know, it’s interesting that uh– that there– it’s almost a– a mania that happens, and a lot of people get thrown into categories that uh, they don’t deserve to be into, but all of a sudden, it happens. And I kind of– I kind of felt, when this was coming down, that that’s– that seemed to be what was happening, uh– But I didn’t know where New West was getting their informa– I think it was New West that printed the first article, I’m not sure. I don’t know– I didn’t know where they were getting their information, it sounded a little scurrilous to me, but I– I sat back and waited to see what happened, and then all of a sudden, something else came out, and then, I forget what that was. It’s been mostly newspaper, it uh– that from what I can see. A newspaper or magazine. And uh– and then uh, all of a sudden, Jim left. And uh, I– And so I had no way of making contact with him on that, although I did talk with a couple of members of the Temple uh–

Bradshaw: ‘Course, you know, Jim was gone before this even came out.

Newsman: Yeah, or it came out (unintelligible under Bradshaw)

Bradshaw: He had been going back and forth uh, to coordinate the project for some time, and he was gone when the first alleged break-in, which was vindicated, uh, and– and anything– you know, the implication that we were involved in it at all was uh, vindicated in the later pages of the papers. Certainly not fer– front page like the accusation was. This is the kind of coverage we’ve been getting. The accusations smear all over the front page, and then when the– there is uh, any type of uh, even minimal vindication or absolute vindication, it is on the back pages. So, uh, we have shied away from the press, we’ve been advised by people to shy away from the press because of the uh, uh, unobjectivity. But we’re very proud of our project there, our programs are going on as usual here, but uh, Jim has uh, spoken of your sensitivity over the years, and I’ve been a member of the church for eight years now, and I can remember repeatedly hearing him speak of you with fondness and–

Newsman: Oh, that’s great.

Bradshaw: – he knows that– that uh, whatever involvement your station, you know, has– has covered of us, he– he is in full contact with the coverage, uh, down there. He knows what’s going on uh, in the aspect of the community here, and he knows uh, how your station has presented us, and, ‘course he knows your– your personal integrity, so he did want to let you know that we are seriously considering this, and– but we would need to know uh, whether it would be you or who it would be or uh–

Newsman: Well, if there was a– if there was a possibility now, uh, that I– you know that– that something like that could be done, what would have to be done with the– first of all, I’d have to have– I– I would try to do it myself. Uh, I’ve– I went to Guatemala and helped rebuild a city down there eleven years ago or so, I– I– I would want to have personal involvement in it, and number two, I’d have to take a cameraman and uh– who would be, you know, the eyes of– of– the television eyes at least. Uh, I would– I would want to talk with Jim, uh–

Bradshaw: Sure.

Newsman: I wouldn’t necessarily want to get into the problems that are involved, but I think that there should be some statements from him about uh, how he feels about it, you know, I– From the standpoint of a– of a straight news story, uh, it– it’s– you know, it’s– it’s kind of immense proportions because this tremendously popular guy all of a sudden leaves the area and then can’t come back because of– of a child custody fight or something like that. So I think there’d have to be some comments made about that in some way.

Bradshaw: Now, would you be willing to uh, print the aspects around– of Tim Stoen?

Newsman: Who’s Tim Stoen, I– (voice fades)

Bradshaw: Tim Stoen is the one that’s purporting that he is the– the uh– child–

Newsman: The– Oh, the father who– oh– (unintelligible under Bradshaw)

Bradshaw: The child’s father, right.

Newsman: Yeah. Right. Well, in– in what way would I pri– I don’t understand that.

Bradshaw: Well, he uh– there’s a lot of aspects in which he is involved in the– the total uh, campaign against us.

Newsman: Oh, I see, I see.

Bradshaw: And this– this is extremely important in presenting the facts, and we do have facts to (unintelligible under man)

Newsman: Oh, I certainly want to present the facts, that’s for sure. That’s the only way I’d want to do it. Otherwise it– you know, it uh– there’re so many other things happening that I– I wouldn’t– what I don’t want to do is– is promise you that I would go down and do a uh, oh, I don’t know, a– a travelogue, you know, uh, because I don’t think that would help any of us, and uh, it certainly wouldn’t help my integrity. What I’d want to do is go down and– and just let the camera shoot– shoot the thing and– and uh, I have no percur– preconceived ideas other than I like Jim very much, you know, so, I don’t– There’s nothing else that’s ever clouded my thought on that. I don’t know anything that he’s done wrong personally, because I have– I– All I know is I– I started getting checks and tremendous support from Peoples Temple, way back when they were up in Redwood Valley, and uh, long before they ever came to San Francisco, I was very acquainted, and– and received a lot of mail and a lot of support for the Reverend Jim Jones who was doing these tremendous things, and I– and I– I accepted him on– on that face value, not on anything else. Uh, I haven’t– I haven’t gotten involved in any of the political shenanigans or any of that stuff. So I think that uh, that would be the way we’d– you know, I’d want to approach it.

Bradshaw: Well, he has done nothing wrong on any level, and we’ve never asked for any uh, special favors from anybody that we have helped. We don’t work that way. All we have asked for at all is– is minimal objectivity, and we have not even gotten that. So, uh, certainly if the truth were aired, it would be uh, all we would want.

Newsman: Well, I would certainly–

Bradshaw: We– we would not want any sugarcoating. That would not– that’s certainly is not uh, how we work. The truth is with Jim Jones in this situation, and his whole life has been committed to helping others in a very selfless way. Uh, it’s just a terrible biased uh, degradation of the– the high ideals that uh, he and the church have stood for, uh, being perpetrated by a few people who obviously have their own uh, axes to grind.

Newsman: Yeah, what’s– what’s– Do you have any idea why that would be done? I think– you know, ‘cause that’s what I’ve never been able to put my finger on. Is it just a good story, or– or what is the– what’s– what’s the reason that people are doing that? What is the reason for the attack?

Bradshaw: Well, it seems to be on many different levels. You­– you know that he is uh, a great humanitarian leader. He has affected tens of thousands of people across the country, especially in his uh– his uh, different meeting schedules all over the nation. Uh– It’s hard to say. We are uncovering uh, different aspects that go uh– As you know, our Social Security– The SSA checks were held up for a while. Uh– We don’t know. We’re not accusing government agencies. We are– What– It– There are definite indications that there are people within various government agencies who would seek to discredit Jim. Uh, we’re not at all thinking that it’s on the– the scale of– of the government agency itself. We feel they are being used, uh, they are being manipulated by uh, some very radical elements that uh, have objected to our pacifistic stands for a long time. So uh– Actually, there’re a lot of aspects to the total situation, uh, but Jim–

Newsman: Well, I’d love to sit down and talk with him about it. (unintelligible under Bradshaw)

Bradshaw: Um-hmm. Would– Now how uh– I don’t know how long this type of thing– how long do you think (unintelligible word under newsman)–

Newsman: Well, I don’t know. When we went to Guatemala, they– the uh, government there would only allow us in, uh, I don’t know what it was, 48 hours, I think, or something like that. I forget what it was. It was a very minimal period of time, so we worked 39 hours straight to be able to get it, and in that way, actually, you’re not getting a good insight. What you’re doing is you’re just uh, hitting– But we were able to dig all kinds of things and do some things that even the networks who spent three months down there didn’t– you know, didn’t get, and uh– by “didn’t get,” I mean, the insights into the story. We had people come forward because we were able to get out into the– and talk with the people and– and just mingle, you know, and do things like that, so that then we– That’s how I found the uh– the man with his– who’d lost his children, had his back broken and everything, and was– was able to do a story on him and helped rebuild his little city up in the mountains, where the– the networks stayed in– you know, they didn’t stay right around in Guatemala City, something like that. But I don’t know. Uh, I think– I’d say uh, uh, you know, just uh– just to be able to shoot and to film probably, gee, I don’t know, you’re talking in terms of a couple of– two or three days – I don’t know – or maybe even lon– longer. You know, I’m– I’m trying to think of a minimum amount of time, but I– I just couldn’t put it down. How big is it? How– I mean, how much is it– is there to see?

Bradshaw: Well, there’re over a– a thousand people who are living on the project now.

Newsman: Wow.

Bradshaw: Uh, the– the only problem is that it does cut down on the production, and actually, the production is– is uh, very intense right now, and we have a lot of crops that uh, were not grown in the tropics until our experimentation, until our– uh, we were able to work with the people in the area and come up with pretty innovative ways of making them work. So it is a very uh, massive, intense production schedule. That’s why we’re– we were concerned somewhat about the time factor. Is there some way we can get some uh, uh– something in writing of your– your uh– how long you think you would take or uh, just some of the sort of basic ground rules, then I could forward it over to Jim.

Newsman: Well– Sure. One of the things uh– you know what, uh– nu– number one, right off the– right off of my head, I– I say we– we would like to show that the o– the overall project. And now, I don’t know what that takes to shoot that. I don’t know how many acres you have, even. But the–

Bradshaw: Well, I think there’s over 2000 cultivated acres.

Newsman: Two thousand. See, that’s a– that’s a l– But you could do that with wide shots and– I mean, I’d have to leave that up to my cameraman, but I think (unintelligible under Bradshaw)–

Bradshaw: Yeah, well, there are– We have aspects– There’re sawmill, piggery, cassava mill, uh, cattle barn uh, (pause) carpenter shop, uh, school buildings, cafeterias, pavilions, you know– (short laugh) It’s a whole city.

Newsman: Well, I’d like to shoot a little bit of all of that, do you see. That’s– And I wouldn’t take a lot with any of it, really, but wh– what I’d like to do is record it so I can talk about it at least. And what there is there, has that ever been done before? I don’t think anybody’s ever shown pictures of all of that.

Bradshaw: Well, we have uh, slides and things in (unintelligible word under newsman reply), but we haven’t had the uh, know how. You– you know Mike Prokes, don’t you?

Newsman: Yes.

Bradshaw: Yeah. And uh, I think he’d be interested in– in uh, getting together with what– you know, whatever script is going to be followed in terms of sequence of events, things like that. So–

Newsman: Well, we could– we could probably– If we, you know– Now that I have some idea here– 2000 cultivated acres, so it’s much bigger than that, if– if you have that much under cultivation. Uh, I mean, you– the land mass, just of the– of the–

Bradshaw: Well, that’s– that’s really what’s carved out of the jungle. The rest is uh, beautiful jungle (laughs).

Newsman: Oh, I see, okay, so it’s right up to the jungle then, for the most part.

Bradshaw: Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Newsman: Right. Okay. And you’ve got a thousand people. Now is there any uh, you know– What– what are the aspects of our shooting the people, showing the people working, doing (unintelligible under Bradshaw)–

Bradshaw: Oh, it– no problem, no problem with that.

Newsman: And now, is there any problem with talking with some of them (unintelligible word under Bradshaw)–

Bradshaw: No.

Newsman: –just uh, at random, or something like–

Bradshaw: No problem with that, no.

Newsman: Okay. Well, uh–

Bradshaw: We just really need to know what– what your expectations of– of uh–

Newsman: Time– uh, the time (unintelligible word under Bradshaw)

Bradshaw: Yeah, the time and uh–

Newsman: And I’d– and like, I’d like to, you know, in a situation like that, I’d li– I’d– I’d have to talk with Jim. And uh–

Bradshaw: Oh, certainly, certainly. That would– He would– He would be welcoming that.

Newsman: Right. And uh, hear his side and uh, get it– get it out and– and on the table.

Bradshaw: ‘Cause ob– obviously, you can see his side has not been presented in– in any of these media blitz for what, eight months now?

Newsman: Well, he– There’s never been any answers, I– You know, I know, because he’s always been (unintelligible word under Bradshaw)–

Bradshaw: Because answers would dignify questions that are absurd.

Newsman: Right, right.

Bradshaw: (Laughs) I mean, that’s the way we’ve looked at it. These things are absurd.

Newsman: Right. Well, what I would– what I would uh, do, just off the top of my head and the questions– In fact, I was– I thought of once trying to get a phone call down and just, you know, uh, uh– But then it came out, because I had a member of the church uh, an official member, that wasn’t uh, a denigrating phone call, call and say that it was– it was about the little boy, and uh, there were a lot of things that uh– that could not come out at that point, but that there was uh– there was a child involved and there was a custody case and that– and that Jim felt he had to go there and stay there until such time as the– as all of these legal ramifications had been cleared away, because he– uh, and– and– and that was kind of mind-boggling to me, ‘cause I hadn’t– I didn’t know anything about the little boy or any of that, so I said okay, well, uh, I’d sure like to talk with him, you know, and find out what it’s all about, because as long as he’s there, then uh, the charges go unanswered, whatever the charges are, you know. It’s not like him being here and being able to defend himself. Even though uh, members of the– of the uh, Temple have tried and uh– But anyway, it would be– it would be a way of him just rapping. We’d just sit and talk about it, and uh– and he could say whatever it is that uh, he feels he has to say. The other thing would be to show the project, show the people, uh, show what’s going on and uh, in general, do a– do a, you know, report that way. Now as far as it– I can– I’ll try and lay something out. Where can I send it? What would be a good– or to y– uh, would I send it to you?

Bradshaw: Uh, yeah, you can send it to uh, uh, the P.O. box, or 1859 Geary.

Newsman: 1859 Geary would be better, yeah, I’ll do that.

Bradshaw: Yeah. Yeah.

Newsman: Okay. Good, and I’ll send it in– in care of you, and I’ll just try to scratch something out about– about what it is that uh, I would like to accomplish down there, if I (unintelligible under Bradshaw).

Bradshaw: Okay, and uh–

Newsman: I’d like to show the ag project and show the people working and show uh– show Jim down there working and uh– Is there any problem with showing the little boy?

Bradshaw: No, none at all. None at– In– In fact, when you see him, you’ll­– you’ll know he is the spitting image of Jim, uh, and there uh– You’ll be able to talk to the child yourself.

Newsman: Can we go back uh– Just fill me in again, because I’ve tried to stay away it as much as possible. From what I understand now, the pe– the people supposedly now could not have children, and uh– then Jim was asked, as the leader of the Temple, to uh– to uh, father the child. Is that uh­– is that how the story goes?

Bradshaw: That, uh– that–

Newsman: Is that basically it, or–

Bradshaw: Yes, that uh–

Newsman: And then–

Bradshaw: I mean it’s a little more complicated than that, but that is basically it, they– It was Tim Stoen’s idea that uh, Jim become involved with Grace [Stoen]. Uh, there are various reasons uh, behind that for the uh, good of– of uh– She had threatened to do just what she’s doing now, to tell lies and uh, hurt the thousands of people that she’s trying to hurt now, and uh, it’s– (Pause) It’s a very complicated background.

Newsman: ‘Course, it’s tough for her too, if it’s her child, it– That becomes a tough situation, too.

Bradshaw: Not really, when you hear the facts. She has abandoned the child, she ran off with another man [Walter “Smitty” Jones], and left the child with Jim. The child has lived with Jim since he was very young, he’s been taken into Jim’s family. Uh, Mrs. [Marceline] Jones in fact is the one that– that toilet trained John, because his own so-called mother couldn’t be bothered, she was too busy with other men. Uh– I really think when uh, you hear– Uh–

Newsman: Mmm, I– Yeah, yeah. I– You know, I just– I just wonder why it– from this standpoint, why Jim got involved. I mean, why would that– that– Well, see, these are the things I don’t know. Why he would do that. Uh, but that has to come from him. Uh–

Bradshaw: Yes, he– he uh– The members of the congregation are aware of the situation. They have been aware of it. They’re aware of– of Jim’s uh, high character ands that he does things to help people. He helps people– Well, you know, he goes the– the full limit of anything he can do to help people. And in this situation, it was presented as a– a– a– a desperate situation from– from uh, Tim Stoen, uh, for his reasons, and uh– (Pause)

Newsman: Okay, but you could certainly understand how someone with that information could uh– could write an article that would be disfavorable to Jim. I mean uh–

Bradshaw: Only if they did not present his– his side of it.

Newsman: Right, but what–

Bradshaw: (unintelligible word under newsman) –but once you heard the facts, it– it would be put in perspective.

Newsman: Okay, I understand that. But all I’m saying is, if– here’s Jim Jones, a married man and leader of a– of a Tem– you know, this Peoples Temple. And someone comes to him and says – and this is how they’ve used it – “You go to bed with my wife, you get involved in– in– in sexual relations with my wife, and sire a child.” Now in the eyes of the law, that’s adultery. (Pause) Yeah, now, what I’m saying is, (laughs) I’m just– that’s what’s boggled my mind for so long, uh, uh, where’d– how did the agreement come about? Now it must’ve been on a much higher plane than I understand. (Pause)

Bradshaw: Well, it– it is– It’s difficult to– perspective-wise, it’s– it’s very difficult to uh– (Pause) to relate to, I suppose, unless you’re a leader of thousands of people who look up to you and who you know will be hurt, unless you make this sacrifice.

Newsman: Aha. Okay, well– but you, as– as Sandy Bradshaw, have been able to come to grips with it as a member and don’t have any problem with–

Bradshaw: Oh, certainly, because I have seen uh, Jim’s character over the years. Uh– I mean, I have seen him– In fact, the thing that drew me to the church was uh, the fact that this man stayed day and night counseling with people, and I thought what– what more than a person give than their personal sleep time. I mean, that’s in my– that was my selfish uh, ob– observation when I first came to church, is that this man goes– gives his all for people.

Newsman: I know the last time I talked with him, he sounded like he was about ready to colla [collapse]– His voice was so raspy that he’d been talking for a long time, and it was late at night too when he called, so–

Bradshaw: Well, it– all that is true, and– and Jim’s character is so obvious to the people that know him. Even people who have minimal contact with him, that obviously you know he’s not going to go jump in bed with somebody for his own uh– you know, for his own pleasure. He’s been happily married man for 28 years (unintelligible word under newsman) beautiful wife–

Newsman: And Mrs. Jones accepted it too, that was–

Bradshaw: Oh yes, it– it– She knew about it from the beginning. She understands uh– They’re very selfless people in terms of uh, helping people. They’re devoted to helping the– the oppressed and poor and the less fortunate. So obviously the situation looks like something would resolve it to save thousands of people from getting hurt, innocent people from getting hurt uh, by lies, then uh– it has to be put in that perspective, and (unintelligible under newsman)

Newsman: Well, I– That’s what I’d want Jim to do, but what I’m saying is, I would have to ask him that question, I think.

Bradshaw: Certainly. There’s no question that you could not ask.

Newsman: Yeah. Okay.

Bradshaw: Uh, he’s always been very direct uh, with everyone he’s dealt with. And uh, I think he believes that you uh, would be sensitive enough to present his honesty uh, in an objective way. And as I say, all it takes is objectivity of the true facts to vindicate Jim Jones in the media.

Newsman: Well, what I’m willing to do at– you know, I’m willing to go to– to the station and– and uh, fight with them and say, look , I want to do this and I want you to give me a half hour and I want to do a half-hour interview like– like, you know, we’ve done with other people and– and allow Jim Jones to tell his side of the story. And uh, the– that’s one of the things we can do, a half-hour interview with uh– with Jim Jones within our news block which is the– has the highest– you know, well, you probably know, but the highest rating in the– in the area, and uh, we– we played off to a million people every night, and it would be, you know, something with a– with enough advance publicity and that sort of thing. But at the same time, I’d like to show the agricultural thing, I’d like to maybe try to do a– a five-part documentary, culminating on– say on a Friday evening with the interview with Jim. Something to that effect. I’m just speaking off the top of my head (unintelligible under Bradshaw)–

Bradshaw: Okay, if you can just– Okay, yeah. If you can just, uh, think it out and jot down some of the– the uh, basic ground rules that you would uh, go by and–

Newsman: Good. Okay.

Bradshaw: –and let us know, then, uh– It will take a while, ‘cause of the communications lag over there.

Newsman: Oh, sure.

Bradshaw: Uh– Also, I don’t know what financially could be worked out. I– I’m not–

Newsman: Well, I’m– I don’t worry about that.

Bradshaw: I’m not aware of any (laughs) of that area.

Newsman: Yeah, I don’t worry about that. If– if it happened, uh, we’ll– we’ll see what happens what that– when it comes to that.

Bradshaw: Okay.

Newsman: Okay. Well, look. Let me draw something up, and I’ll shoot it over to you.

Bradshaw: Okay. Thanks an awful lot.

Newsman: Okay. Thank you, Sandy.

Bradshaw: Goodbye.

Newsman: Bye-bye.

(End of tape)

Tape originally posted January 2013