Q1054-4 Transcript

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Jones: –assimilate the Spirit of God. It’s not possible. It’s got to be a sincere thing. You cannot assimilate good feelings. You can make a lot of noise, and it can be like a sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal. Songs got to come from the heart, then it will– then God (unintelligible word) the praise of the people. When it is– when it is actually coming from the heart, God takes over and you’re rejuvenated by your praise. But when you work up a mechanistic kind of noise, it’s just a sounding brass and tinkling cymbal. You’ve got to get the attitude correlated with the outward act. There must be the thought before the demonstration. If you’re talking about joy, you’ve got to feel joy. The trouble with old Pentecostalism in form of its godliness is that many times they have a mechanical way of singing and shouting and clapping, but there’s no joy. It’s just a routine, just so much noise, but there’s no spirit. Because even though it’s that way for twenty years, and they heard someone else do it, and thus they think that’s suitable. You can go in one of the service, uh, one of this Pentecostal church, and you will notice that they clap different from a Trinitarian church. There’s a difference in the movement of the hand. There’s a difference in the way they sway. You can tell us from others. We all have our own movements, and that’s very well indeed, providing that the Spirit is there.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: If the Spirit is not there, though it’s the Spirit of God’s presence that lifts us, we must have that recognition that at all times, thought must be the– the motivating force behind the demonstration. When you talk about God, you must think about God.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: When you talk about joy, you must consider joy, you must visualize joy. You talk about peace? I’ve heard some say peace, why, they mean war. I heard some say. praise the Lord. They mean, cut my throat or cut your throat. Our words are so far from the deed, from the demonstration of the act, well, we want to get to the place that our voices say what our minds think. We want our minds and our attention, our love and our devotion, our– our ideas and our opinions, all dwelling upon the fundamental God Divine Love, Divine Love dwelling upon this impersonal, yet personal, magnanimous principle that has lifted us out of every undesirable circumstance. (Voice climbs) While people are every day facing funerals, accidents, they live in an atmosphere, where we have not known such, should cause every heart within to say, praise God. I’m not worthy, but I praise you from whom all blessings flow.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Ministerial fervor) To think there that Sunday the woman fell out with her head back on the bench, and the actual conscious presence of God. The recognition that I once thought when I was in Shantytown, poor as Job’s turkey, but I heard the promise, I was what I thought. I heard the promise as I thought in my mind, so am I. I heard the promise that I could be like him. (Pause) (Voice moderates then climbs) And in that personification of that principle, I walked ever so slowly down to that woman, as you saw me Sunday. Raised her up. The woman that had heart char– trouble from a child, and she danced for twenty minutes when I said, arise.

Congregation:Stirs.

Jones: Fifteen people in the past week in this atmosphere have arisen, carried up, brought up in stretchers, brought up, laid out, but I saw God in them and they saw God in me, and we reproduced God in one another.

Congregation: Stirs.

Music Organ Playing

Jones: (Calms) Think on it child, think on it. These blessings of this marvelous apostolic administration are too stout to be denied, to marvelously demonstrable in our midst to universalize and personalize to be inconsiderate (Voice drops, then climbs) of these marvelous blessings. (Pause) Let’s recognize them, let’s think on them. Every day somebody says something, like the youngster in the college dormitory. I was on the road, a car was coming our way, I looked at your picture, your picture turned and you said peace, and then when I come in the door, she said by her testimony, she said, you told me what happened to me – my God – and I heard no one praising their Redeemer When we heard this marvelous thing that saves children’s lives, that stops buses when the wheels go off, because I said, wait. There’s trouble on the road, there’ll be a delay, and I sent out the word because–

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Jones: God is living in this tabernacle–

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: –Christ is in me as he is in you. (Conversational, then climbs) And it’s as much personfiable as you wish it to be. You can have thirty percent God, sixty percent God, or hundredfold, if you want to be. You can be one hundred percent yielded to God Almighty. You can be crucified with Christ, nevertheless you will live, yet not you, but Christ that liveth in you.

Congregation: Response.

Jones: That makes you one hundred percent God Almighty.

Congregation: Response.

Jones: (Voice calms, then climbs throughout) That’s the marvelous message of the Unitarian concept of the Godhead, that God is one and that he is the oneness and that the fullness of the godhead bodily dwelleth in us, that the same Jesus is in us. Paul wanted us to get that message in Second Corinthians, the tenth verse, in the second chapter where he said I– what you forgive, I forgive. I forgive it also. Whatsoever you bind, Ibind. I do it in the name? No. He said, I do it in the person of Christ. I have reincarnated the very personality. I’m in the first person. I’m speaking in the I Am consciousness. I’m speaking with the Word in me.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: And you can speak as a servant, or you can be as a friend, Jesus said. You can be a teacher and have a teacher’s reward, you can see God manifest through your brother and sister in varying degrees of consciousness, but what you see is what you get.

Congregation: Scattered applause.

Jones: If you see me– if you see me as just an ordinary friend, I’ll be the best friend in the world. Someone through the Valley dropped in dogs yesterday, I took them all in. I’m a friend of every dog, a friend of every human, I’ve adopted eight children. Whatever you bring me, I will be a friend to you. But a friend cannot raise the dead. I’ll be a friend, but a friend cannot cause the cancers that came out, like Sister Andrews right out of her throat here on the altar not so long ago.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: (calls out) A friend cannot bring that out. A friend might want to, but a friend can’t. But when you see all of God in embodiment. (Voice drops) You see, this apostolic ministry that is req– uh, absolutely requisite for the perfection of the saints. Apostles, pastors, teachers, evangelists, which are necessary for the perfecting of the saints. You can’t be perfected through the reading of the Word, you cannot be perfected by anything, but by the hearing of the Word. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God, and the Word is sharper than a two-edged sword, and what does it do? It discerns the thoughts, and knows the intents of the heart. And in every meeting for twenty-some years, I have been discerning the thoughts of the mind and knowing the intents of the heart, because the Word is now made flesh and dwells amongst us, Christ in us, the hope of glory.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: I’m letting God have his way, and the more you see God in me, and in one another, the more you’re going to reproduce God in yourself.

Music Organ Playing

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: I don’t mind what you call me. You can call me that old hillbilly, if you want to. But I’ll just be a hillbilly to you. Be a friendly hillbilly. Be a kind hillbilly, ‘cause I was born in the hills. Proud of it. I found nothing in the– in the so-called sedated valleys and sophisticated valleys that make me ever sorry that I was born in the hills. (Claps hands once) I’m glad for the shanty background. I learned a lot of things uh– I met God, I’ll tell you, I had to meet God. Some of you have met God more quickly, if you hadn’t had so much ease. When I had to go to the bathroom, I had to walk half mile, back then you’d feel the winds in many places. You’d feel the chill of the night air, and you better find God someplace or you wouldn’t live.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: So I learned to find God in those places. When you had to go over the hill a mile to carry your water, (voice rises) you had a lot of time to think about God.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: You had a lot of time to consider all the power (voice moderates) that’s in the mind of the Christ. We got so much today, we got to where we’re lazy, push a button for this, and we’re all– we’re programmed from supper into the lounge– into the lounge to TV. That’s why I never would’ve bought one. I never would buy a TV, ‘cause it programizes you. You just build into a mild functioning, sed– sedentary life where you don’t use your muscles, and your muscles atrophy, and you don’t use your mind even. They brainwash you even from the center station. I want this mind to be in me.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Voice builds) Sunday morning, that women in her desperation, I walked back and I said, Jim Jones is here. And I said, arise. I said arise and you saw her arise, because in my heart, I haven’t filled it with a lot of foolishness of the world. I had let this mind be in me, which was also in Christ Jesus who being in the form of God, considered it not robbery to be equal with God Almighty.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Voice drops) And you saw in that crowd of thousands, you saw her come up and dance for twenty minutes. Women don’t dance that way, when their heart afflicted from childbirth. Dance and jump and dance and jump. Your ordinary doctors would say, don’t let her do that. She had no pulse, no respiration, (Conversational) but she kept dancing because she’d met Christ.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: (Ministerial fervor) Once you have seen the embodiment of the oneness of God, once you know that Jesus is God and that he is reincarnatable. He said these things shall you do and greater. That means what he was, you can be and greater. Not just the same (claps hands once), not to just go over around the throne and beg to some big daddy in the sky, but he said these things shall you do and (cries out) greater.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: Once you have known the embodiment and incarnation of the Divine Word, don’t you be satisfied for anything else, but the Word made flesh dwelling amongst you.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: That’s the glory of oneness, not that Jesus is God up in the throne, but that Jesus has become God and God dwelleth in us, m– and he is mighty to save.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: (Calms, then builds) That’s the great mystery. It’s been withheld from ages past, but now revealed to the children of men in these, the l– last days of time. That he is going to pour out his spirit on all flesh. His sons and daughters are going to prophesy. I’m going to bring many sons unto glory, saith God. The captain of our salvation was made perfect, through the things he suffered. He was human of humans, born in a manger, born when they said Abraham is our father, but what is– who your father? Yes, he was born without a place to lay his head. The foxes have dens and the birds have nests, but he had noplace to rest his head. Yet he said, I considered it not robbery to be equal with God Almighty.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: Some said he come down here already made. He said he learned obedience. That means he had to grow. He was made perfect, that means he wasn’t perfect. He had to be made conformable to the image– to the death of the cross. (Full throat) Jesus was flesh of your flesh and bone of your bone. That’s what makes God so marvelous. We have seen him in a lowly working carpenter. We have seen him in the work of the (unintelligible word), we have seen Jesus made flesh. Our God is made flesh and dwells amongst us.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Voice rises) That’s what makes it mighty and heavenly, that’s what makes it salvation to be praised. Those people out there in Trinitarinism, they see God out there as three personalities. (Low voice) Hard enough to serve one, much less three.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: (Calms) But to recognize the oneness of God, to see him made flesh, not in a rich king but in a poor Nazarene. Someone that looked like, someone weather beaten evidently, because he was out of the weather. He didn’t look like any of the pictures you see today. He suffered, made perfect through suffering. (Voice rises) But the thing I’m so glad I heard him say, the captain of our salvation is bringing many sons unto glory. I’m glad I heard him say, that he is the firstborn of (calls out) many brethren.

Congregation: Calls

Jones: (In full throat) That there are many going to be like him, a multitude is going to come forth in the land just like Jesus. They’re going to beat their swords into plowshares, and study war no more. (Pause) I’m so glad that my God is not out there for me to fly to. He’s not out in the heavens for me to ascend to. He’s not in the deep for me to descend to, but the righteous that preaches the faith saith, he is in thine heart and in thine mouth, that God is in me. (voice overwhelms mike) God.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: (Moderate but intense, then rises throughout) I’m glad I found my God and he is principle. He’s love, and love is exemplified in Acts of the Apostles in pure sharing. The pure socialism that would solve all problems of today, would stop communism, stop fascism. God is a principle. And his principle is reincarnatable, and that principle has transmitted this valley, when they used to just beat on people because they were Okies or black or because they were Indians. Now, acres have been taken over, 40 acres of children’s home, three senior citizen homes, (Cries out) the knowledge of God is covering the earth as the waters cover the sea.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Full throat) For God is love and love is socialism and it’s just and powerful and mighty to see. It’s good to know your God.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: To know him alike, to know he’s not a God that’s (unintelligible word, could be “apart”), but he’s a God that is at hand, hallelujah.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: I don’t know what I’d do if I worshipped that God that some people have. I have to have my God within me. If I didn’t see the fruit of his handiwork, if I didn’t see the dead raised, I couldn’t live this day, if I didn’t see the hungry fed and the poor have the gospel preached to them. (Voice moderates) If I didn’t see the heal sick– the healing of the sick and the resurrection and restorations, why, I could not live. People stand out there gloomy-eyed, druggie-eyed, droopy-eyed, saying by and by, (voice climbs) by and by. I’m tired of by and by. Today is the day of salvation. Jesus has come.

Congregation: Cheers.

Jones: I’m glad in that Arkansas background and the Indian shanty that I, who took that mixture of the poorest among men, being that what they said, a poor southern Arkie and a poor s– Indian, I, being amongst the poorest of men, along with Jesus, have decided that heaven can be established in the (Voice drops) lives and the affairs of men. And as he said, being the poorest among men, I have made many rich.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: (Conversational, then rises) That’s the key, let himself be poured out, being crucified, being self-denied, and then God takes up tabernacle. That’s the principle. That’s why I love Jesus. My God, he is the hope. He is the way, he is the truth, he is the life, he is the door, and if you open up the door, you give into the great powers of the universe.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: (Calm, then rises) People want somebody to do something for them. Jesus never did something for people. He showed you how to do it for yourself. He said, what’s within you. Thy faith has made you whole. He didn’t direct it to him, he said it’s in you. (glossolalia) That’s the glory of Jesus. That’s why I’m glad, I’d like to have on this place, Jesus is God, and God is socialism. I’d like to have it all over. It’s so wonderful. They say, do you love the name of Jesus. My God, do I love it? I loved it so much that I died and let him live in this body.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: No one loves the name of Jesus more than we love the name of Jesus in this assembly. (chuckles)

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: It was Christ in me and not another, when 17 years ago Dr. (unintelligible name) said I must die of cancer and prepared my wife [Marceline Jones] – surgical nursing supervisor – for death. (Pause) It was Christ in me and not another. I said there within me, the kingdom. The kingdom of heaven is within you, and if I and Sister [Eva] Pugh, can attest, our treasurer, I said I’m coming out– ‘cause Christ didn’t come to give me death, he came to give me life.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Voice climbs) And if I’d lost, I couldna been any worse off. I was skin and bones, I couldn’t keep anything on my stomach. They had tubes down my nose. There wasn’t anything for me to lose, I had everything to gain. I stood on my feet and I said, this is the body, this is the temple of the Holy Ghost.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: (Full throat) And for 17 years, I have been showing you that you also are the temple of the Holy Ghost.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Moderates, then builds throughout) Uh, they want to keep you by false promises that Jesus is some place in the sky. While the lying preachers are telling you that, they’re swipp– they’re swipping around in their Cadillacs and Continentals, living high on the hog, telling you to get ready to meet him. They don’t look like they’re getting ready to meet him. They don’t look like they’re getting ready to go anywhere but to drive down the road on those nice wheels. They look like they’re gonna stay a long time in their nice homes. But I come in used choir robes, I come in old work clothes under here. I got one pair of pants, but that pair of pants is all I need, because God is my armament. God is my shield, God is my salvation, God is my (unintelligible word, could be “clothing”), God is my covering, God is my deliverance.

Congregation: Cheers!

Jones: (Moderate, but intense) I tell you what do I need with Cadillacs, what do I need with treasure houses of this earth, ‘cause I’ve got a treasure that is hid, the world does not give and the world cannot take away. So glad to know God Almighty, so glad to recognize God Almighty, so glad that this body is God’s and not another. (Conversational) It is not Jim Jones, but Christ that liveth in me. Nevertheless I’ve lived like I never have lived before. Yet the Christ that doeth the work. It’s beautiful to recognize Christ in one another, and I’m doing that in you. I am seeing the Christ in you. You are a chosen people. Jews are not one that are one outwardly, but ones that are ones inwardly. They’re ones that are bap– that with circumcision, and concision of the spirit. And I see you as the chosen of Israel, and the chosen of Israel should not have to beg and sneak uh, help in habitations and housing. It should be the church of God, the Acts of the apostles, the ecclesia of the pure socialism of Christ, due to establish it on earth, and that we’re going to do. We’re causing these deserts to blossom as rose, we’ve caused 200 children in South America to eat that were starving, we reached to India, there were thousands that were starving, and we’re going to keep on, we have only just begun that’s what we shall do, because Christ is doing the work. (Pause) My God Almighty, what you talking about? What you want to go back to those old ideas of worshipping God, and they don’t even know where they at. They betray themselves, as I said, if you saw a preacher saying Jesus is coming soon. They tell you, he’s coming soon and if he was wrapped– wrapped up in my old robe here that got a hole in it, and they’ve knitted it with different color thread, then you might believe him, say the man looks like he’s getting ready. Got no clothes, ‘cause you can’t fly away to heaven in clothes. You’re gone be translated in a moment in a twinkling of an eye that’s gonna– that’s gonna zip the clothes right off your back, honey. If you gonna get that quick a translation, you can’t take your mink furs and stoles and your heavy jewelry along with you, and you sure not going to get that translated uh, Cadillac.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: (Voice rises throughout) They been robbing you, child. Telling you that God [is] someplace else other where he is. God is within, and don’t let anybody take that away from you. Don’t let anyone rob you of the fact that God is embodied, that God is in the world, he never was outside of the world, that the hundred percent hundredfold ministry, uh, the one I Am personal degree of consciousness speaking in the person of Christ as Paul did, that’s always been here. He said, (deliberate) lo, I am with you always. (Full throat) I will never leave you nor forsake you, not even to the end of the world. God has always had a body. God always will have a body. God never was without one, and he never will be (Voice drops) without one. Don’t you go back to anything else. Oh, they go around in muck and mire, and can’t pay anything but old church building they use one hour a day. This building for children to swim in, for women to get their arms straightened out and men to get their bones straightened that’ve been paralyzed. Teach here for children to learn their lessons during the week. Take them up– It’s a practical building, and because we built it, and I helped build it with my own hands. Put my own hands on these nails and the insulation and the floor and everything else. We built it as simply as we could, like a tabernacle, so it could be used. It’s so marvelous to use. And because of it now, we have eleven buses that’s going to take us– we’re going to take the Christ of God’s message up to Seattle. They don’t like for us to take it, they’ve threatened us all (unintelligible word) before we come, but you know we’re gonna go, no matter whether they’re threaten us or not, we’re going to go. We’ll be singing and praising God, for where Jesus is, ‘tis heaven there. We’ll take those 11 buses and travel on those highways. We’re all ready to going to Los Angeles to pick up members of our Los Angeles church, to carry them up there. We’re going to cause the kingdoms of this world. We’re going to do it or we’re going to fall out trying (Cries out) cause the kingdoms of this world to become the kingdom of our God and His Christ. (Intense) We’re tired of you people telling us heaven is someplace out there in the sky. The sky is everywhere and it’s nowhere. You have to travel 186,000 miles a second to get out there to the closest star, and you can do that in three million light years. (Pause) That’s too long, honey, I want to– you talking about getting raptured, you say, well, it’s in a moment of a twinkling of an eye. I don’t care how many twinkles, it stilltakes you 300 mile– million light years of twinkles there.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: (Calms, then builds throughout) They always got you twinkling too, looking up, looking up. I said, look within, I looked within and I call some of you to look within. You’re so beautiful. Last time I was here holding a meeting, and the man back there behind that pool was crippled, do you remember? And he straightened his arm, and his leg. At the same moment, I sent some brothers and sisters up there, stirred up the gifts within them, and I told him who would be in Seattle, and I said, call out their name. He said, well, we don’t know how to do that. I said call ‘em up. They’ve got growths, get rid of them. They’ve got crippling conditions, get rid of them. And while I was sitting here ministering, my people [were] in Seattle causing the cripples to walk and cancers to pass. Hey, God Almighty.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Calms, then slowly builds) See, the gifts and callings can be stirred up within the people. And quickening. After I quicken them of my own uh, development of the marvelous Ch– Christ spirit and transmit them. Think what’s gonna happen when we get these things stirred up, when I get all of you out in every community with the gifts of God and the marvelous supernatural power of God. Then the Acts of God, the apostles, the socialistic ministry. Said that while preachers are trying to get people to build their cars and homes and air conditioner, or their– their bedrooms. (Voice drops) Oh, the stuff I’ve seen. The shower like last week for the dear lady who’s been an ex-preacher’s wife, two thousand dollars plus four or five thousand dollars in gifts. What’s going to happen when you get this stirred up in you. And we get this thing re-created, what I’m gone do. You don’t know what I’m up to, but I know what I’m up to. (Voice climbs) I heard what he said, bring (unintelligible under mike) under glory. We’re going to disburse this Christ and redistribute this Christ. And they’re going to maybe think they’re gonna get Jim Jones, and then Jim Jones will pop up there, and they’ll knock him off there, and he’ll be over there, God’ll be here, God’ll be there, and God’ll be everywhere. (Voice moderates, then builds) Don’t you know what I’ve got working. You haven’t– You don’t think I’m sitting up here to receive any glory. I’m dead. I sit here because I taught school day and night, I’ve had to work day and night and not sleep. I have no throne, this is just a barber’s chair. I’m sitting, because you’re sitting. If you can sit, I can sit. If I can work all night and help build buildings, and carry out all the debris and clean up the showers and clean up the urinals, I’ve got a right to sit just like you, because (unintelligible word)–

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: But when my anniversary comes, you don’t give me any anniversary. When my birthday comes, you don’t give me any birthday. Because I’m no more important than your dog hide. We’re all one in God. There’s nobody more important than another in God Almighty.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: Ah, when we get a hold of this, so try to live what I am preaching, and be what I am demonstrating, and find that which I am transmitting. Come close to this, which I have found in God, and live it and look at it and breathe it, and if you look, you will live. And then you will reproduce this spirit, and you will go out in the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in. And I’ll tell you, we’ll spurn– we’ll turn this world upside down, we’ll stir up (unintelligible word) like it’s never been stirred up. (Pause) (Voice calms) That’s my desire. I did not come this far by faith, to just end this race as being one manifested son. I am in a school of prophets. This thing is, as I said, as reincarnatable as the breath you breathe. It’s just as reincarnatable as the smile of a child, and we want to learn God’s ways. Live him and personify him. Say, why haven’t you sent people out with the gifts before now. You’ve got to have the fruits of the spirit. You’ve got to have so much love. You say, Pastor Jim, where did you get this marvelous gift? Where did I get this love from? If you get this love, God is love. The more of love you get, then you’ll be able to go out on the road. When you get enough love like you’ve seen me to put my body, as I did one time in front of someone that wanted to stab another, to a jealous lover who’d come for a woman before she’d been converted. She’d had a lover, and she came in this church and was converted, and he came for her because she got converted. And he came back there, and what did I do? I told you all to stand, and I put my body in front of him and (defiantly) I dared him to put anything in my chest.

Congregation: Calls

Jones: (Voice builds) He put that gun and he put that knife back in his pocket, because he was afraid. When you get the Spirit of the comforter. The comforter means the spirit of bravery. In the Hebrew it means the com-forter, the with-purpose, com-forté, with bravery. It’s not comfort like the quilt. Some of you think the Holy Ghost is a quilt to put you to sleep, it’s com-forté, with strength, with power, with (unintelligible word). The Holy Ghost is the essence of truth, and it’s a “he,” for he, the Spirit of Truth has come, he will lead you and guide you into all truth. (Calms) It’s not an “it,” but it’s a “he.” (Pause) When you get this– that’s what I’m waiting on. I’m waiting on you to develop the Christ in you. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Follow holiness with all men. What’d it say? Without which, no man shall see the Lord. Where do you have to follow holiness? With all men. You gotta find that holiness within and within others. Then you see God. This is the day when the promises of the ages are being fulfilled. You are they upon whom the ends of the world has come. You’re the cornerstone builders. Yes, my children. Recognize the day you’re living in. This is the day when blessed are the pure in heart for they (calls out) shall not only know God, not only feel God, but they shall see God.

Congregation: Calls

Jones: (Calms) He said when we see him, that’s the marvelous, (breathless) marvelous beauty of the reincarnatable principle of Jesus Christ. When you see him, (deliberate) you shall be like him. Now remember when Jesus appeared on the road to Martha and Mary. Get that truth, it may be overstated and trite to some, but it can never be lost, the meaning, the essence of it. When they were walking by the way, so deeply depressed over the loss of Jesus of Nazareth, the ones that had supped with him, dined with him, fed him, worked with him, did not know him, because someone had reincarnated that same spirit, but the bodily appearance was different. You understand the mystery?

Congregation: Assents

Jones: One walked by this wayside, but it didn’t look like the same Jesus. (Cries out) But he was the same Jesus. (Moderates) But they could– (Tape Edit) God. They called it everything, but it’s the same Jesus, it may be one time in a black person, it may be another time in a man, it may be in a woman, ‘cause it’s neither male nor female, neither bond nor free, Greek nor Jew. God can move wherever he chooses, whenever he chooses, withsoever whom he chooses. (Calms) That’s the mystery of God, Christ in you, the hope of glory. Don’t be like Mary and Martha and miss him, because you’ve got a visual image of somebody with a long, white robe and long (stumbles over words) of the hair, or golden tresses. Don’t miss him. Some people are hot. That’s again a matter of thinking, my child, as you think in your heart. It’s very warm up here, this is the warmest of all position, but in me is Christ and Christ is always the same. (Cries out) All may change but Jesus never. (Pause) (Calm) But for some, they might bring the flow of the air, just a moment, circulate the air, ‘cause they’re worrying about heat, some of them, and they’re feeling the pressure of it. (Pause) Not there, (unintelligible, stumble over words) bring it up through the fan. ‘Cause when I see people fan, then it disturbs uh, me for– concern for people, you see I have a concern for people. Now I wish you to get that. The same concern that caused me to adopt eight precious babies, it’s joy really. No effort. The same concern that caused me to be here day in and day out and receive the– the strangers, the castaways, so to speak. For a privilege (unintelligible word) before God and the fathers to minister to the orphans and widows in their affliction, keep yourself unspotted for the world. Do you want to see Jesus? All right then, you can see him tonight. Is there anybody hungered? Feed them. Is anybody naked? Clothe them. If there’s anybody that’s a stranger, take them in, as we did the sister last night. Take them in. Don’t ask them for money or price, ‘cause the Christ of God doesn’t ask for money or price or reward. It doesn’t go out with purse or scrip on its journey. Doesn’t need any scripture, doesn’t need any purse, doesn’t need anything on that day’s journey, but the Holy Ghost within. He says, well, he’s come. Take no thought for what you shall say, but he’ll bring all things to remembrance in that hour. When they deliver you to the counsels and to the tribunals, to the governors, to the– the magistrates, and even kill you thinking they do God a service. So it’ll be the church that’s gonna persecute you, ‘cause they think God’s doing– they’re doing God a service. Don’t you worry about it. If God’s within you, they’ll make a way where there is no way. It’ll be like Paul that was preaching to the jailer, and all of a sudden the walls come tumbling down. We’ve seen too many things here. Let’s not forget. I said let’s not forget where we have been and what we have seen. When we were thrown out of the churches and we had to be out in this field two years ago over– just a little over. We were out in the winter all winter long, but not a drop of rain dropped on our bodies. The cars drove up, and as the cars drove up – you know, you were there – you drove in from the factories, Masonite, the rain would be falling in torrents upon you, but when you came you where we were sitting there wasn’t a drop of rain (calls out) that fell on our heads.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Full throat) We were out with the wind, but I tell you, if you will believe in the actual conscious presence of God, it’s a source of all supply, it can and it will and it does satisfy every good desire. (Moderates) So why don’t you recognize what God is, and quit this foolishness and look it up, look within. The righteousness which is the faith (unintelligible) who shall ascend into heaven and bring him down, and who shall descend in the deep and bring him up, but what say that the Word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth and in thy heart. What is the Word? In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, and the Word is made flesh. In a moment, you shall see the Word made flesh, and that’s what I want you to do. If I come for anything, it’s to make you realize that you are sons and daughters of God. There’s no higher heaven than within you. There’s nothing outside of you that can solve your problems. It’s when they took Jesus and were going to persecute him, he said for what good work do you stone me? You can’t receive me for my namesake, receive me for my works sake. It’s what I wonder about these churches, when the tavern keeper down here that loves us because of the good we do for human beings, he warns us about one of the churches. (scoffs) One of the Trinitarian churches is going to bomb us. (laughs) What’s that now, what kind of thing is this? Who warned us? The tavern keeper. He said I heard what those church people said, one of the old men, or those sisters over there, got drunk and coming in and said I don’t like what they’re gonna do to that church. (Pause) He said they take in the animals and adopt the children, they clothe the needy, said they’re good people, so who called us? A preacher? No, the preacher’s not gone call you, they’re the ones trying to kill you. (Laughs) You don’t need to worry about the church, it’s always going to lose its first love just about ten, twenty, fifty years, it’ll lose its first love. It always does that. Institutions kill God. So I don’t believe in institutions, don’t believe in robes, don’t believe in badges of authority and position, don’t believe in uh– uh, orders and stratums and denominations, ‘cause you’ll kill God. It robs God from his rightful place. He said, for what good works do you stone me? (Pause) He said, what have I done that you stone me? Anybody (unintelligible) Sacramento, some of you come here tonight, visiting us (unintelligible word) say, I wanted to hear God, you should know, if by anything else, everybody in the world in No– Northern California wants to kill me. (Pause) They that live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Congregation: Stirs.

Jones: Jesus, the captain of our salvation, was called not only a devil, child, but he was called the prince of devils, Beelzebub. He was called the prince of all devils. Now we could say to them, how are you so sick, will a devil cast out a devil. Does a devil heal the sick, will a devil cast out the demon oppressions of diseases. No, he said (unintelligible) house divided against itself, for as James said, all good things comes down from the Father of lights, in whom there’s no variableness of shadow of turning. If it’s good, it’s God. That’s the universal mind. I wish you’d get this. You’re worry, you’ve been worried by these preachers that’re afraid they’re going to lose a dollar. They want those dollars coming in to pay that Cadillac. They got to pay that bill. They’re afraid to lose one dollar. (short laugh) So they tell you, don’t go over there. Be careful. Be careful. Don’t go there. Watch out. What they really want you to do is stay in prison. Stay in prison.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: And I just want you to get free. Because churchanity is a death, and when you are s– free to stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made you free, and be not again entangled with the yoke of bondage. That’s my desire for you, to let you have what I have and more. I hope you can see a picture of what I’ve taken, and reproduce a greater one in yourself. ‘Cause the world needs Jesus, and the only place they’re going to find Jesus, child, is in you. You are living epistles, the only one they’re gonna read. So read me well. Don’t jump the gun. Don’t go out and think that you’re going to get this realm overnight. I’ve come through lynch mobs, I’ve been shot at and shot down before your eyes, and you saw me picked up. You put the– in fingers in my– the holes in my chest, and I brought this about the healing, because I recognized none of them in this tabernacle but Christ. Said I cannot die. My people need to see the Christ in me, to bring forth the Christ in them. I cannot die. My people not ready, so I said I Am. Hmm. That’s the key.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: (cries out) I said I am not ready, (calms) and all that blood that was all over me, I got up, as you well saw, and that night healed a man by just sending the word, there was an (stumbles over words) epileptic seizure – he’s right over there in the choir someplace – I just reached out and said arise. Preached all night. So take a good picture, take a good picture, watch me closely, learn my mannerisms, learn the patterns of devotion, my spiritual paralife, and my social administration, just a sense of concept of dispensational uh, principles that I uh, embody, the principles that I demonstrate every day. Learn all these principles closely, ‘cause I’m a living Acts of the Apostle. I’m one of those acts – maybe a small act – but I’ma– gonna make an act that’s going to help the work for Jesus.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: You see, the Acts of the Apostles still going on. He said all the things that Jesus had both begun to say and do, if they had been written in a book, the world would not be able to contain the book.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: So the Acts of the Apostles are being written here tonight, as it was last Wednesday when the woman was given up to die with cystic fibrosis, and you heard her testify Sunday, all gone, been in pain, had to take, what was it, codeine every three hours, and it did not abate her pain. I said, come up, touch this back, ‘cause this back is li– yielded to God. I put my back against hers, told her things by revelation to quicken the Christ in her and stir up the faith that was within her, and when I left, the pain was in my back, and she was free of it. She was shouting and dancing and praising God.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: I know how to get rid of it. She didn’t have the moment of understanding to get rid of it, and the doctors had given up her to die. So let us not forget so great a salvation. We have seen, we have heard, we have walked, we have suff– we have seen our God. So don’t forget that promise, that Christ is within you. It’s only hope. How can you hear without a preacher, how can you preach lest he be sent. We have the Bible written by King James translated, the books of Barnabas taken out by his dispensation, and after all, King James was an alcoholic. He wasn’t God. He was the king of England. Some of you think he was– uh, uh, your old Pentecostal say at the time, bless God the King James version was good enough for Paul, it’s good enough for me. Paul never saw King James, honey.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: He never took a look at King James. King James wasn’t around when Paul was around. He was the king of England who persecuted the American colonists, who persecuted the Indians, and sent the Good Ship Jesus to Africa to bring back the blacks in chains.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: What’s that about be– him being God, he’s not God.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: And if you don’t have the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, you can not know even who Jesus is, the scripture tells you. Because there– the words of the devil are in the Bible. The Tempter’s there, the words that are translated errors there. If you go just for the letter– that’s why Corinthians warns you, the letter will kill you, meaning the letter to Romans, to letter to Corinth– Corinth, the le– the Bible, in other words, just translated English, the Bible kills, but the spirit. God is love. What is the spirit then? God is love, so the Bible kills, but love makes alive. That’s the only thing that’ll make alive. The Bible will kill you, if you don’t have God within and don’t have the fivefold ministry. It didn’t say Bibles would bring you to perfection, but apostles, pastors, teachers, evangelists, they are necessary for the perfecting of the saints, the work of the ministry, the edifying of the body of Christ. You have to have those manifold gifts and the manifold fruits of the spirit. How can we hear without a preacher, how can he preach lest he be sent, faith cometh by hearing and hearing – not reading – by the Word of God, because even as you look at the booklet [The Letter Killeth], King James, uh, according to Matthew, doesn’t give the same ancestry as Jesus back to David, as Luke does in the third chapter. It’s confusion.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: One place Jesus’ grandfather is Heli, the other place it’s Jacob. In one place his great grandfather is Matthan, and the other place it’s M-A-T-T-H-A-T. There’s a misspelled letter, one letter. That’s why we cannot live by the letter alone. It’s beautiful, oh my God, when you got the Holy Ghost, it’ll open up marvelous truths to you, but without the Holy Ghost, it would build a form of godliness denying the power thereof. You’ll have a structure that’s dead as a (unintelligible word) bone.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: You’re dead as a boneyard. I mean there’ll be a structure of death, not life. Ichabod will be written above the altar, the glory of God departed thereof. If you don’t know that, I can give you a thousand cases of error translations. You don’t know a thing about Jesus except the Holy Ghost reveal it to you. One writer says that he went with his parents immediately to Egypt. Another one says he kept the feast of the Passover every year in Jerusalem. Never even left Egypt, didn’t even mention King Herod. One place he ascended from Bethany. Another place mentions another place. You have four different accounts of where Jesus ascended. You have four–

(Tape Edit) (Long Pause)

Jones: I’ll tell you the truth when you come around. I didn’t know I was going get preachin’, and it’s all the elders say, don’t ever preach before you take an offering, ‘cause these people always hurt the cause when you do. But I– sometimes I can’t, uh, plan what I got to say. I just got to let the heart speak. He said take no thought for what you’ll say in that hour, but the Holy Ghost will speak, and that’s what I’m trying to do. (Pause) Always some folk take off about time you tryin’ to get a little truth across to their head. (Pause) San Jose, chief of police, a white man name of Blackburn. Just before [Richard] Nixon was elected. (Pause) Come down there. And they said there was a riot in San Jose. Said they were rock throwing. Chief of police got on the air, and he said there were no rock throwing. He said there were some troublemakers in the Nixon group, but he said that wasn’t nobody throwed any rocks at his car. (emphatic) And the chief of police lost his job in two months. He was gone.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: That was good business. That bunch down to Miam– Miami walking out naked and urinatin’ in the street. I think that some of the Republicans put ‘em in Miami to urinate in the street. I think that they– those that stopped those– that old lady and wh– whipped her car up and down, and turned her car over, I think that some of the Republicans put  her there– put them there, because they know that they’ll scare up old poor people to vote the way they want ‘em to vote. You got to look for a devil these days, because he’s wise as a serpent.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: Mortal minds a (unintelligible word) old fox. Uh, you say Idon’t understand what kind of stuff you’re telling. Well, you just look back at Germany forty years ago, and if you don’t think we’ve learned something in the meantime– you surely think we’ve learned little things. You really believe that we’ve lived forty years since [Adolf] Hitler and we haven’t learned anything? How did Herr Hitler get the German people whipped up to a passion? What did he do? He took [Marinus van der Lubbe] a Jew out of a mental home that didn’t know his right hand from his left, and took that Jew and set him on the outside of the German Senate, the Reichstag, and he took his own CIA, his Gestapo, and set that Senate building afire and burned it down, (Claps once) and the Berlin police came and found that Jew. The Jew was babbling, but what did the newspaper run the next day. The Deutsche– all the leading newspapers of Germany said a Jew Communist burned down the Senate building. And Hitler came on the radio waves (claps hands once), said we’ve got disorder, we’ve got violence in the streets. He said give me the presidency, the prime ministry, elect me the chancellor, and I’ll have (calls) law and order. There’ll be no more confusion. There wasn’t. They elected him because of that lie and he killed seven million Jews and finally ridded every bit of opposition, eliminated ev– even the Christians such as (unintelligible name), Christians such as (unintelligible name), Christians such as Reinhardt, eliminated them, killed them in concentration camps such as (unintelligible name), murdered them.

Congregation: Scattered response.

Jones: (Quiet) All in the name of law and order. (Pause) You think about it. You think that you’re different than Germans? Say, oh, we wouldn’t behave like Germans. You know how he got the war to start? People don’t like war. (Pause) He set up his secret police. Don’t believe me. Go and read the news. All you have to do now is go order it back through the files of Time, Newsweek, uh, it’s come out now, the secret papers are open. He dressed up his secret police, his CIA, or his FBI, or his super-secret Gestapo. He dressed them up in Polish uniforms and attacked his own radio station on the border of Poland in Germany, killed everybody but the last announcer, and gave him just enough time to say we are being attacked, people of Germany. The Polish army is attacking us. See what I’m saying?

Congregation:Responds.

Jones: So the German people all went to war and started bombing Warsaw and invaded Poland, because they thought that the Polish had invaded Germany. Say, aw, that’ll never happen here. Didn’t. Just now come out that we set up the Bay [Gulf] of Tonkin. It never happened. The Pentagon Papers. There’s a man on trial, right here in Los Angeles, his name’s Dr. [Daniel] Ellsberg, because he’d rather have his soul than to keep what was on his conscience and he told the whole nation about the Pentagon Papers. They’re never was any Bay of Tonkin. There never was anybody that fired on us in Vietnam. Even the head of the ship said so, the captain [John Herrick] said there was never anybody that fired. And 60,000 young Americans have gone to the bloodbath for Tungsten, Standard Oil, US Steel, Tire and Rubber, and all the great conglomerates, and all the great combines. They’ve gone to war, and died to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. And we are letting that man in the courts, we don’t even hardly hear what he says. But every newspaper printed what he said, and said it was the truth, and the government told him not to print it. You remember? New York Times was threatened to be sued. The head of CBS was threatened to be sued, they’re still (unintelligible word). One man, the head of CBS said I’m going to go to jail first, and he lost his job. Dr. [Frank] Stanton. Do you remember? How long’s your memory? Have you forgotten some of those things? That white-haired white man said I cannot st– be still. He said this country has done infamous things. It’s lied to us for the last twenty-five years, and he said I will not be still. Our government’s lied, and so I’ll tell the truth and they’re still– he’s still threatened with a suit.

Congregation: Scattered response.

Jones: (Quiet) And he lost his job. (Pause) Now this is why I get down to the point every now and then. Unless you get the gospel of Christ which is to protect your soul here and today, Christ in you the hope of glory, unless you get that message, you will fail to see what’s going on around you. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is on earth. He said I’m naked and you did not clothe me. I was thirsty and you did not give me any drink. I was in prison like a Dr. Ellsberg, and you did not come to me.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: They said Jesus, when did we ever see you in prison? He said in that the least of thee, who fight for righteousness, and– that’s what sense it makes. That’s the way it is in the original Greek. The least of these that fight for righteousness. If they’re in jail, I’m in jail, if the hungriest child is someplace without food, I’m hungry. (Pause) Now you’ve been whipped up with a lot of fo– foolish people who say, (hushed tone) gonna fly away, we’re going to see Jesus upstairs. (Normal tone) You’re not going to see him upstairs, till you see him down here in the basement.

Congregation: Cheers.

Jones: ‘Cause just as Matthew 25 (Calls out) ring out over the centuries, God is still speaking in this Fathership degree, telling you this. (Calms) He gonna tell you as he’s telling you today, he’ll meet you – and I should know – later down the road. He’s gonna look at some of you people when you say I’ve been a tithe payer, I belong to the First Church, I belong to Victory Avenue, I belong to the Emmanuel, I belong to the First Samaritan, I belong to this, that or the other, he gonna say (calls) depart from me. I never knew you. They were hungry old white woman that were up in an old tenant– rat tenant fe– infected [infested] section, you didn’t do anything about it. That poor black mothers and fathers down in Watts that didn’t have any homes, and didn’t have any jobs, and you didn’t do anything about it. That poor Indians that are dying at 42 years of age over in the reservation, and you didn’t do anything about it. (Pause) There’re people like Dr. Ellsberg, and that great pediatrician Dr. [Benjamin] Spock that was in jail, and you didn’t come to them. And I was there, because I’m always there where righteousness is. And so you didn’t come when I was hungry, you didn’t come when I was naked, you didn’t come when I was a stranger, you didn’t come when I was sick. And so now you get away from me, because I never knew you. Said I paid my tithes, they said to him in Matthew, I paid my tithes, he said I don’t care what you did. You paid your tithes, and you made a loud noise, you made your open show of yourself to be seen of men, but I’m telling you, I never knew you.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: (Calms) That’s where fundamentalism has brought us today. The great power of Pentecost has been– it’s been internalized. It’s just like an engine racing away in n– neutral or second gear with the brake on. That’s what we’ve done with Pentecost. (Calls out) Runnin’ a motor to death. (unintelligible word) and jump and down and go and uh, say a few words in tongues, and jump up and down and get a frenzy, but when injustice is around us, there can be rat-infested tenements all around us, there can be no jobs, we are too busy jumping up and down. (full throat) The Holy Ghost said when it comes upon you, it’ll take you out in to highways and out in the hedges, it’ll cause you to go out there where man is suffering, out there where the needs are, and you’ll do something about human need. Holy Ghost comes to lead you and guide you in all truth.Said when the Holy Ghost comes, he’ll give you power to be witnesses against all the injustices, all the sin, in Samaria, in Jerusalem, and the undermost parts of the earth. When the Holy Ghost comes, it’ll make you brave, he’ll make you stand up for right, he’ll make you take on the devil, he’ll make you stand up against (unintelligible word, sounds like “Carlamine.”)

Congregation: Cheers.

Jones: (Moderates then builds throughout) When the Holy Ghost comes, he’ll stir you up and make you do right. When the Holy Ghost comes, he won’t let ornery policemen shoot down somebody in the bed without getting out there and doing something about it. When the Holy Ghost comes, he won’t let somebody like this little child was beat up in this place. They said don’t you say it was here. Well, revelation told me that person lived here, and I’ll say what I want to say, the Holy Ghost gonna speak.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: One of them said you can get a suit for saying that. I don’t care if they sue me all over the place. I’m going to speak up against those that would beat on little children. I’m going to speak up against those that would do harm. Let more than that, Carol–

Congregation: Scattered voices.

Jones: You better be want– wantin’ something more than that, ‘cause you’re un– you’re under the sound of my voice, (Pause) ‘cause I’m going to see that the Holy Ghost visits you come Friday night, and you’re going to look worse off than that little (unintelligible word) if you don’t repent of your sins.

Congregation: Cheers. Woman screams

Jones: (Ministerial fervor) You heard what I said. I add it now in every word. Carol Sims, you repent of your sin, or Friday night, you’ll look like you’ve been run over by a steamroller, ‘cause the Holy Ghost is come.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Calms) Hands clasped. (Pause) Spirit of God. (glossolalia) (Pause) I wish to say one brief word bo– about my second son [Tim Tupper] that spoke. I want to give honor to a precious mother that was alone who is still in our church and now one of our secretaries. She had no husband to help her. He [Larry Tupper] was a cruel husband who’s proved his racism and his hate. And she said you can rear him. He needs a daddy. And she gave him to me. No greater love has any woman. And I felt that she deserved honor, the second son that spoke to you. Rita Tupper in my church gave me that son, because she said you can do a better job with him than I could. And I feel that I should honor such a mother openly to (cries out, word unintelligible) God Almighty who has such love.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: (Calm) A woman in her middle years, who– her only son, but she loved him so much, saw the trouble he was in, saw he’d been in drugs, ev– even though he came in the church, he got out of that. But she said I feel he can even develop other things, so I’m giving him to you, and she never interferes, not one time. And I felt I had to honor such a mother in Zion. Where is Rita? Where is Rita? There she stands, right there.

Voice in Congregation: Wonderful.

Jones: There’s the mother of the second son.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: (Calls out) That’s love. That’s what’s going to rule the world. Don’t you get on no hate campaign. Get love like that. And if we get love like that, and turn the other check sufficiently, and keep on preaching, and keep on struggling, finally they won’t be able to fight us. They’ll have to give in, because love has a will to win, and it’ll finally overcome death, hell and the grave. Hallelujah. (Pause) (Moderates) Spirit of God. You remember the next time you start thinking about hate, that the people that advocate hate are still around. But the people that advocate love have been shot down, because the system knows that love can beat them. (Cries out) Love can beat them. Forgiveness can beat them. Shining and true apostolic socialism of non-violence principle, it can beat them. And they know it can beat them, and they’re scared to death of love, because love can overcome tyranny, injustice and evil. (Pause) (Calms) Love can heal. I’ve seen some of the carnal hearts in this room, used to hate people of other colors, and now love them. Some of us blacks that walk down s– aisles used to be Black Nationalist, and they hated. Now they’ve loved so much that they’ve taken in people of other races. And I see some of the whites that were here from the Deep South that used to hate. Now they’d give their life for their brother, they give their life for their sister. Some of the ones that used to hate, who wouldn’t even go in the same restroom, now have taken and adopted little black children. (Cries out) Don’t you tell them that love cannot win, and it’s our only hope.

Music Organ Playing

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: I’m not going to start hatin’, because it doesn’t do any good to the person you’re hatin’, and it makes you feel like all the hellishness in the world inside, it makes you sick in your body, makes you sick your mind. I’m not going to hate. I’m not going to hate. They can kill me, but I’m not going to hate. (Voice begins to drop) I’m going to love I’m going to love I’m going to love. (Pause) (Voice builds) That don’t mean I’m going to pussyfoot. That doesn’t mean I’m going to stand by while there’s some racist police beating on people. That doesn’t mean I’m going to stand by while people try to trick us into wars for the rich. I’ll cry out and I’ll stand up and I’ll show my people their transgressions and I’ll show the house of Jacob its sins. I’ll not be instant– only once in a while, but I’ll be instant always in season and out of season. Sweet Spirit. (Pause) You get cancer by hatin’, you get arthritis by hating. And you can get it otherwise, I don’t mean that you got the diseases that way, but it can cause you that much more problem. They just get cynical, and you get doubtful, you feel suicidal, you feel destructive. That’s what the man wants us to feel. Like this stuff they’re shoveling over the ne– the airwaves, [George] McGovern can’t win, McGovern can’t win, can’t win, no chance for him to win. Everybody says he can’t win. What does that– What do you suppose they’re telling us that for? They want us to sit back and say there’s no hope, and that’s what a lot of folk are doing. (Pause) Sure, it’s bad. Been a lot of foolish moves made. And I don’t think Republicans Democrats are two s– uh, sides of one coin. But I know this. I’m tired of anybody who ke– they say they’re going to make (stumbles over words) this war was supposed to be ended. The first thing that the president got elected. It was not ended. [Dwight] Eisenhower kept his word, this man [Richard Nixon] didn’t. And I see more hate developing than I’ve ever seen between the races. I’ve seen less money going to schools, and less money going for the old people, I’ve seen the welfare cutback, I’ve seen Social Security cut back. I’ve seen the– plight of the aged, it’s worse than it’s ever been. (Pause) So I’ll vote for something,even if it’s not the best. I’ll vote for something better than what I’ve got.

Congregation: Calls.

Jones: And I’ve been a Republican all my life, but I’m telling you, I’m sick and tired of this business. We’re going to have to get out– In fact it’s time that we got together, all right thinking people got together and started another party, ‘cause there’s so much dirt and rot in these– in these political parties that you can’t hardly get anything just done. (Pause) But I get suspicious when every day I’m reading the newspaper, 27 points behind. It’s hopeless. No chance. (Pause) They’re trying to feed us what they want us to do. I said they’re trying to feed us what they want us to do.

Congregation: Scattered calls.

Jones: (Tsks) Well, I didn’t think I would preach this way, but the Spirit, when it comes in, it doesn’t let you do your own thinking, and the Spirit takes over and the Holy Ghost does the talking. And if you have any doubt that the Holy Ghost has done the talking, that’s your problem, (Cries out) but I know the Holy Ghost moved me to say what I said.

(Tape Edit) (Long Pause)

Jones: But we want also to do something in Seattle. We know that the truth causes some of you to be separated from other churches that you’ve once been united with. And we do not wish to uh, see in any way uh, in a feeling of aimlessness, we want you to be a part of this wonderful growing fellowship. (Pause) I see that some of our churches have brought biased uh, reporting, you don’t expected to see anything but biased reporting. Some of our churches have brought that in, but uh, we’ve never had any biased news, that’ll be good for us, we’ve never had that before, so it’ll be good if we have a little bit of this. Uh– I sensed in walking there uh– uh, very, very arrogant, and he wrote down I’m sure that uh, comments about race and so forth. Uh– So it’s not an open mind. But don’t be bothered by that. I know them when they come, and they’re all good for your perfection. And I’m rather glad to see them. I’m glad that we’ve stirred up enough for the preachers here who are robbing the people blind, that uh, they’ll have tried to get the– uh, the media to come and uh, see if they can portray a bad picture. And the media will do– always do that, they’ll never put it just right. They can’t. Because they’re special interest. (Pause) You know what I mean. Never knows how to do anything objective. We talk about a free press. I’m afraid we don’t have any such anymore (clears throat). It’s not free of bias, it’s not free of prejudice, it’s not free of its own axe to grind. And so we have uh, now stirred up enough of the (Pause) churches, the established churches, that they are here to see what we are doing. And we’re glad if they come with an open mind. But they don’t have an open mind. When they write down, as I know he wrote down, about how many are black and how many are this or that, then it shows immediately where they are. So that’s why I just called for a (unintelligible word, could be “governing”) meeting and just dismissed them. They came with their photographer– their photography. I– I never fall prey to that. When you have discernment, you know. At least if they’re going to print anything about me, they’re going to have to print from imagination, because I’m not going to encourage them. Because only an egotistical spirit, a carnal spirit, a s– proud spirit would want to entertain publicity. Uh, they– they can’t possibly know the Spirit of God, so why waste your time, and if you give them cooperation by taking pictures and so forth, then you conspire with their stories, and I don’t conspire with their stories. This is the first time I’ve ever seen one come. They want to take a picture of me, and I’m not co– inclined to give a picture to anyone unless I feel they’re moved by the Spirit of God. If they’re moved by the Spirit of God, then I’ll let them take my picture, and if they’re not moved by the Spirit of God, I’m not– I’m not on display. Nor are my people on display. I feel the freedom of assembly, the freedom of assembly–

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: –the right of religious assembly guarantees you that you do not have to be disrupted. And that’s a point of order. I’ve got some attorneys here in our church that I think they’ve established that very well, that you have a right to your privacy, you have a right to worship God, according to the dictates of your heart, without interruption. And I feel that we don’t have anything that mo– important to has to go on, that we’re going to sit with two very carnal minds that are moving around– that’s the one I talked about, he came floating in here and floating around, I knew his spirit the moment he came in. He didn’t identify himself but I knew him. (clears throat) So uh, when I see that kind of thing, I will change the order. If you felt a little change of order, that’s my doings. Because I do not intend to have pictures taken of a sister who was healed. If they’re going to come with their co– Holy Spirit motivated magazine, fine, we’ll be glad to have it, but they’ve never– I’ve never seen any work done on any healing ministry, I’ve never had any publicity done about ours. But I’ve never seen any publicity done on healing ministry that was anything fair. So I don’t intend to have uh, any people here exposed to that kind of thing. So I would say to you that you just– If anyone wants to take a – take a picture of you, uh, about uh, you know, from uh, some worldly organization, I would say no. I don’t choose to have my picture taken. No, I don’t choose to have my services, my worship taken. That’s why I stopped the music. I wasn’t going to let them take the opportunity of making fun of those that might be anointed and move or shout or dance under the inspiration of Spirit. I was not going to give them the advantage of writing what they wanted to write. ‘Cause they come with the wrong mind and the wrong spirit. So I just don’t– I won’t expose you. If I had to close meeting down tonight, and we had to go out and just fellowship here, just talk to one another, I will do that. If they come back again tomorrow, I’ll do the same thing. Until I get to talking to some people Iknow also in the newspaper. (Pause) Somebody’s going to come in and let them be– behave themselves in– in order, come in decency and order, not moving around, jumping around, in and out of your building, looking at people, and talking to people at l– at random through the audience. That is disturbing a religious assembly, and I uh, understand the law, it carries a pena– it carries a penalty and sentence. You have no right to disturb anyone’s religious assembly.

Congregation: Murmurs.

Jones: So that’s why I called for a little bit of talk. We were going to have a talk anyway. We would’ve talked very publicly about it, about how we can best serve this area. We’re also interested in serving that wonderful group of people that come from Canada. How many came up from Canada this time? Look at that, look at that. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: Sixty or 70 people at least that are there– that are here from Canada. We want you to know and to feel that if you are in any way facing some trial, we have free attorneys. That’s something to tell that uh, objective mind out there, the subjective mind. We ar– we have free legal services that are open and available to any of those who are in harmony with the good works of Christ. We will assist you in this manner through mail correspondence or though personal counseling. The Assistant District Attorney [Tim Stoen], as you know, of our county is a member of our church. And now we have another attorney from the adjacent county, who is uh, assistant deputy attorney there who’s given up his job, who’s laid aside his secular work, just to do the work of the people, just to help people in their distress, because I’m sure you’re aware, aren’t you, that no one rich ever gets into too much difficulty. And you think you’re rich in here? There’s not a rich one here. Wait’ll you get into some litigation or some suit. What if someone wants to sue you, and they do it for the– People are just looking for ways to sue these days. They fall on your yard and sue you, or to fall– fall on your step, and uh, all kinds of carnal minds about, and you’ll find out that your insurances are not sufficient to take care of the kind of trials that you come through. We feel it’s the duty of the church, the obligation of the church to take care of first the household of the faith. We feel that it should take care of the household of the faith in every area. It should educate its children, it should take care of its people in their golden years, it should be as a family. The body of Christ represents a family. A body represents a congregational life, a family life. And so we are assuming as much responsibility, even for the little unwanted animals. That’s another point that needs to be made. I think the people who– they want to see objectively. They going to have to get – give what we’re giving them. They’re getting our interview, we get ‘em out in the foyer, and we’re giving them what we uh, are telling them about practical work. They’re not going to get here and take notes. I– he– he doesn’t know the what I am. He­– He taking notes and he say three out of four were black, black woman dancing and jumping around, and I– you think I’m going to allow that? No, sirree sir. No, I know what’s up to and I’m (Unintelligible word, tape fade). (Pause) (Clears throat) Yes, yes, I know. So I’m not– I’m not going to uh, uh, go through that. I uh, don’t care what he wants to write about me, because I can take it. My skin is– my– I tell you, my skin is just as thick as a cowhide. He can write anything he wants to about me, because it says they that live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution, and if you don’t get it, you’re not living (unintelligible word) you ought to be. And if you’re not giving it, we’re not getting it.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: If somebody not talking about you, and I really want all to be before the press is come around to talk, because particularly we have not been as strong in Seattle. Now they’re little afraid of numbers sometimes. In Los Angeles, they came and they looked at the big crowd and they decided they didn’t want to take on that many subscribers, ‘cause in Los Angeles we have four or five thousand people, and they look around and they weigh that, you know. Well, that’s an advertiser, here or that– that many people that might not take our paper. But we’re just that small number here. This is a smallest group we have. We’re just small enough that they think they’ll try to push us around, and I’ll tell you, they’re having an (unintelligible word) time trying to push us very far, won’t they.

Congregation: Responds and applause.

Jones: I have never seen one healing ministry, in the great days of Boatwright [likely Crichton Russ Boatwright] to the days of uh, (Pause) the author of uh– what is the author uh, it was in Carolina that I have respect for. (Taps podium) Oh, I can’t think of the name offhand. No one– no one ever receives the proper kind of coverage that will build faith in– in a newspaper. So I do not lend myself to these kind of interviews. When they come, I just say, I’m not interested in your interviews. I don’t have a desire that my own name be known. I wouldn’t even hold on to an identity as a person. If it were possible, I would not even refer to anything but Christ or God, because I want nothing to be seen but God. I think that’s the desire of all your heart. You want to be mortified, crucified with Christ, nevertheless to live, yet not you but Christ to live in you which is the hope of glory. And this is my own desire, that to be seen nothing but God. But the work that I do, you reproduce in yourself. You’ll take a picture of me and take cognizance of my teaching and reproduce a greater picture in own likeness and image, so that God would be glorified, not the name of Jim Jones or the name of Peoples Temple, but that the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the beautiful spirit of love, that great self-sacrificing love spirit that’s been with us since the beginning and never will leave us, lo, not even to the end of the world, that same spirit. I want that spirit to be garnered and that spirit to be glorified. And so I have no need to be honored as a person. One newspaper in the– San Francisco honored me and give me the most uh– outstanding award for humanitarian service for the year. They wanted to give me a special party. They wanted me to come to a special party. I said I have no time to come to parties. If you want to award me as a humanitarian, fine, but I have no time to party. I’ve got no time to party except with the children of God. I have no fellowship except with the body of Christ. I have no friends except in the family of God.

Congregation: Applause.

Jones: I believe and take seriously the ethics of the scripture, who is my father and my mother? Who is my sister and my brother, except he that do the will of the– uh, him that sent me. I have relatives that do not love all races. I will not go to see them, they are not going to be bothered by me, because if they don’t uphold the name of Jesus Christ, then I am not interested in them. I will sacrifice all for the Christ spirit, and if you’re not prepared to do that, you will lose your soul in the process. I said, you better be willing to sacrifice husbands and wives, houses and lands, all your earthly goods and separate yourself as a clean and pure vessel, or God will not be able to use you.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: You have to have that holiness of heart. And if there’s attachments of the mortal version, where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. If you hold on to family and friends, if you hold on to prestige and opinion, if you hold on to the traditions of men, and the traditions of the elders, you will lose your soul in the process. (Pause) Shortly we’ll have some air that’ll be–maybe they can open that and can get a little air there. (Clears throat) Air– It doesn’t bother me. Is there any possibility of opening that to the– just see it, uh, you better slip around these uh, photography, if you want to get me a picture, that’s all right, I don’t mind it. I won’t bother to get out of his way. I don’t want him bothering my– my people. I’m a shepherd, and I protect my people. To so much I protect my people, you’ve never found anybody today like me. I won’t put you through anything. He started to aim for this sister when she got healed, he was going to come up and take her picture. I blocked him. I had him blocked. She was dancing, and she was enjoying her spirit of praise. She was enjoying her God, and I’m not going to have any worldly photographer get between her and her savior.

Congregation: Calls and applause.

Jones: We’re not a circus and that– if anything that annoys me when we pay the rent on a place, and we’re worshipping God in the– according to the dictates of our hearts, we want to be left alone. And we will be left alone, ‘cause we’ll just change it to a musical. We’ll do (unintelligible word). We will be left alone, ‘cause we can start this meeting at el– 11:00 o clock tonight. Sometimes those folks will go to bed, and sometimes we can get up.

Congregation: Calls and applause.

Jones: God is no respecter of your person, and when you start the first sentence of your commentary that there are so many blacks, there’re so many– that has nothing to do with the price of eggs, and when you’re noticing how many blacks or how many whites or how many reds or how many Indians, when you’re noticing all those things, you have got a bigoted heart, and I know you (muffled word) a sound opinion from the (unintelligible word), so I don’t want anything to do with you. If you come and say I see the glory of God, I saw someone healed, but it had to be black woman– And I tolerate it. What’s that got to do with it? Yeah, I know when you’re uh, uh– there’s one difference in this meeting. I know when you walk in the door what you’re up to. I know you before you came. I know what you’ve got in mind when you walk in. I know what’s in your heart, ‘cause the Holy Ghost is sharper than a two-edged sword.

Congregation: Responds.

Jones: Said the Word of God is made flesh, and the Word of God is dwelling amongst us. And the Word of God has never left us. Said, lo, I am with you, always even unto the end of the world. It’s never left us. And Hebrews 4:12 tells you what the word of God does. It’s sharper than a two-edged sw– sword, it will divide bone from marrow. That’s what we did Wednesday night, when a woman was crippled, was healed instantly. The bone and the marrow were separated. (Claps once) It says that it is quick and powerful, and I could say some quick and powerful things, because God lives in this body. It says it will discern the thoughts of the mind, and know the intents of the heart, separate the soul from the spirit. Three people one time thought they would do adverse things to God, even in a slight way. They dropped dead right in our meeting. How many saw it? They dropped dead. I said, give up the ghost, they went down, give up the ghost, they went down, give up the ghost, they went down. And then I restored them and they were mighty quick to repent. They all came to the microphone very quickly to repent. So I do not wish to uh, waste time on the foolishness of a– of the world. I have no desire to be entertaining uh, newspapers. I’ll entertain strangers, for thereby I might entertain angels unaware. But I know one thing: if you work for the media today, you have already sold your soul. You sold your soul to special interest. Over 1400 cities in this country only have one newspaper, and those one newspaper, and that– that– that– that one newspaper will throttle out any competition. Oh, yes, it does. We’re in a bad time in this land. You look at the newspaper conglomerates, you’ll see they’re owning the TV and they’re all mixed up. We have got control of the news because it– we don’t have two sides of an opinion. (Pause) You got to at least have two opinions to have freedom. But the major cities of America today only have one newspaper. And that one newspaper– Oh, you say, well, it’s got two names on it. That don’t mean a thing. Look who owns it. Look behind the scene who owns it. One family owns a third of the newspapers in the United States. And I tell you, that’s dangerous. You need a free press, you need a free assembly, we need a freedom of religion. And that means freedom to have our worship in peace and not to be bothered. And will stand up for that, and I demand it. ‘Course the danger, they’re going to write about you negatively when you do that. But I figure they’re going to write negatively about you anyway. What can carnal minds say about the spirit of God? Carnal minds can only speak ill of the spirit of God, can’t say anything but ill of the spirit of God. Carnal minds is carnally and carnal uh, is– has been carnal from his beginning and he’ll be carnal to his end. The carnal mind is death, and it’ll be deathly in its interpretation of anything that goes on. So I’m not interested in what carnal man has to say. In fact, I would say, that the scripture says beware when all men speak well of you. I would be most unhappy if someone came in here and printed very good things about us down the line, because I would know we are not where we ought to be, because he said they that live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. You will even be killed, they will kill you thinking they do what? God a service. (Cries out) Not the devil, but God a service. They’ll kill you, thinking they do God a service, so I welcome that old fashion persecution that was once delivered to the saints. I want the same kind of opposition that came to the Pentecostal church when they receive their first experience. (Pause) And I’d be mightily concerned if I got anything else.

Tape Ends

 

Originally posted on February 14th, 2019.

Last modified on November 25th, 2019.
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