July 21-22, 1978 handwritten report on “Mann”

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Friday/Sat July 21/22

MANN

1. Mann made a comment about that he almost gave the book I just finished which I am reading (In Search of Spies, a CIA exposé) to the Prime Minister. But the Prime Minister already has it.

2. (I may have already written this) He said he was going to speak to Judge [Aubrey] Bishop about the case. He said it is still the contempt of court and writ of habeous [habeas] corpus before the court, isn’t it? I said yes. I then said, “we’d heard from someone in government that it was going to be a favorable decision for Jim. He just said, oh? (as a question). It was not an affirmation or denunciation – definitely a neutral “oh” to change the subject.

3. When I told him about the blood test which is admissible in a Calif court, and how our lawyer challenged Stoen to the blood test and he refused, he said, “I believe [illegible word, could be “Jesse”] is fucking down the whole Temple, bar none.” He said it with [a] devious little smile. The whole point was to enrage me with a line

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of defensive comments and anger at his business. He’s like a dirty old man who says vulgar words for the shock value.

4. He says “constantly!” “Do you think ___ thinks we fuck?” Yesterday it was Maria. When he asked me, I jumped up and went to the telephone and said, “let’s ask her.” I dialed and got Maria on the line & told her Bonnie [Mann] had a question. He nearly crumbled until I stopped. I was so disgusted that I nearly asked but thought it would be carrying things a bit too far.

5. Like most child molesters, he was fascinated by Maria’s lie detector test. He thought Maria’s dad was suing Maria. I told him no – he’d never take a chance because he’d lose for sure. I told him Maria would not have done this if he hadn’t taken the matter to court. He didn’t comment.

(Our conversations over the last day and a half have been mostly monologues and he hasn’t had much to say – that is, on relevant issues.)

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6. I told him we were suing Stoen for $50 million. He said, “what for?” I said conflict of interest. I said he gave us advice on civil matters which he is using against us. He said, “Why get into this?” I said, “You can’t just sit by and let them do that to us, I said you have to fight fire with fire.” He just sucked his teeth, a Guyanese expression for disgust.)