Refutation of Blakey affidavit

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REFUTATION OF DEBORAH LAYTON’S AFFIDAVIT:

2. she never was financial secretary, never was in that position. She only held temporarily after Maria Katsaris] and until Robin T. [Tschetter] took over.
3. is applicable
4. exactly the opposite is true. He has moved from more religious to more politically aware… but has never been tyrannical. A somewhat paralzying fact is that it is so much of a participatory democracy.
5. untrue. JJ encouraged disagreement – he always has. Esp. the words ’fair game’ – a word that JJ never used – but another group does – Scientology uses that word, re: punishment for defection was death – not true – none of that, doesn’t exist at all. No corporal punishment – none of any kind existed – even minimal – for many months.
6. re: conspiracy – that was not the main problem. The identity never changed – always went back to the fact that we were spied upon when Mayor Blackwell from Mississippi was here. But nothing conclusive never has been anything conslusive. Tho it has been become pretty obvious esp. where TOS was involved – that there was $ backing it. Then Dennis Banks etc. but really – very little was said about that. Because there is nothing they particulary feel that can be done about it.

about concentration camps etc. – it is true that JJ spoke about that possibility happening in U.S. Not true about white members names appearing on a secret list of enemies… don’t know anything about that at all, no knowledge of that – but did see evidence of that when Sharon Amos name appeard on FOI etc.

7. It is easy for them to say those things. He always preferenced any discussion of reincarnation etc. esp. re Jesus Christ – with “if that ever existed.” As far as Lenin goes –people presumed… they saw what they wanted to see.

As far as the meetings – the most JJ would ever talk has been 4 hours at the most and many times he never talked. As far as ’divine powers’ – JJ never related to that word “divine”. And as far as being able to heal – that is the truth. And re: having extrasensory perception – yes he does – but he never put much emphasis on that because it is not that important.

JJ never says he had ’powerful’ world connections – never – in fact – on the contrary. And re: Idi Amin – ridiculous. Once mention his political party but never the person himself, re: Mafia, no – just mentioned that someone had offered to help once. And re: Soviet govt. – wish it were so that he had influence there.

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8. That is what TOS and she had – problems between fantasy and reality. Don’t relate to the word ‘irrational’ – that is TOS. If he ever believed in ‘the ends justifying the means’ – he doesn’t now because of TOS. In fact, in Russia – it is very directly dealth with. Anything illegal results in conviction, on criminal charges

At various times, J would not sleep for days, but the people around him saw no difference in his perspectives at all. No measurable difference in his outlook. He never focused on conspiracies, if he were the only one, never would have bothered with all the move etc. They use the term ‘irrational’ for convenience, just rationalization.

9. Long hours – not so much now as was necessary at first, There is alot of family life, maybe too much. “Proof of loyalty” never called upon, and certainly never to J in the first place. No one is in bad physical condition. Debbie lost weight because she wanted to – she needed to and she looked forward to doing so. She herself also had plenty of sleep.
10. She never worked long hours. The word ’fear* never applied… never acted like it – always wanted to be more active where JJ was concerned… stayed close to JJ alot of the time.
11. the word ‘fled’ doesn’t apply. In fact, he almost changed his mind in N.Y. – but a heart condition then, the others urged him to go on, or he would have returned then. Public criticism never bothered J. Being imprisoned never bothered JJ either. Not the thought of it or the possibility – he was never concerned about that.
12. she was never ordered to go to Guyana, just the opposite – she insisted that she go to take her mother there – was rather pushy about // re: ’codes’ – yes
13. that situation was pretty plain – not necessary to get it from ‘radio codes’.
14. Debbie never liked Grace Stoen at all – just the opposite.Grace was never popular… no way compare her to generouse and compassionate – her leaving was no threat to control at all. There may have been a few episodes about her, but never tirades, also – word ‘bitterness’ does not apply as far as JJ goes. He was always concerned about what would happen to John, and he did say that he would never return HIS SON to her. re: CIA – that is unfounded.
15. “informed” – ridiculous! That was not the purpose at all of John’s leaving. It was TOS suggestion. He pushed the signing of Parental consent forms etc. It was TOS fully… recommended by him. The rest of this is also not correct.
16. Didnt want to do this – but C. [Charles] Garry thought it was advisable, re: the 5,000. Teri says she is confused about the 10,000.
17. ’frenzied’ and ‘hysterical’ – don’t apply, just asked Reid for ans. – some kind of assurances. We would have rather gone to Cuba or Russia – rahter than suicide. Never was aware of any calls to Guy. officials. not ture.

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18. don’t know anything about that.
19. Debbie strongly requested to go on to Jonestown, no ‘orders’
20. the next day after she got there – she went to PNC party – and got drunk at it. – not applicable // she saw no armed guards etc. She did what she wanted. We couldn’t get much closer to the Guyanese= there is an impending intermarriage now, so this is ridiculous.
21. this never was the arrangement. Sometimes people would work 4 hrs. on Sunday, but never that long as she says. There are maybe only 70 people who work in the fields – wish we had more – very needed – but that just doesn’t apply. – ’vast majority’ = that is ridiculous, never 7 am. to 6 pm. – we work in 4 different shifts.

– Also the food was taken in boxes with the workers to the fields, the standing in line part is a lie. Sometimes don’t even start till 10 am.

22. the food is tremendous. Excellent nutrition, so much food – we dont know what to do with it. we obviously show evidence of being well fed. she always bragged about how good the food was.
23. no distinction between JJ and others, he does have blood sugar problems – always has, and he does not eat meat regularly – tho the other people do – every day. His diet is less varied than the other people because of his health problems. Everyone else eats the same foods. All dine communally. Dr. Schact [Larry Schacht] wanted the small refrigerator for JJ to keep a few things at hand. No distinctions made – never has been. Carolyn [Layton] and Maria and the two sons live in separate quarters in the same house as JJ. All the children eat the same – all in very good health.
24. never occurred… the illness does not exist… she never was sick. There was something – but it was not extensive – had nothing to do with •conditions*. She was not ill tho= quite the contrary – she had good food and the ones who were sick were given extensive medications as needed.
25. again – she was not financial secretary… the 65,000 is not true, she had no way of knowing anything – as she was not involved, and the facts speak otherwise, about the ’fraction’ of income – not true – ridiculous – much more than that is spent on each person… to meet all the needs.

JJ never thought he would go down in history – no reserve at all. The only time she assisted Maria – JJ wasn’t around at all… Debbie had total control of her job – she could have done whatever. Who knows how much $ she stole during that time? She undoubtedly had a complex.

26. ridiculous – maybe he has spoken 1 hr. at the most… sometimes they have a meeting in the dining area – have asked him to talk, he relays world information – an effort to give all views and perspectives – Russia, China, and U.S. – understanding of dissendent views – very comprehensive // no marathan meetings – completely wrong… only 2 meetings a week. No loudspeakers allowed during sleep time.

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27. totally not so! J never concerned about history – just the opposite. He would grow ’despondent’ on occasion – but not related to his ’place’ in history, despondent in reference to whether it would have been better to assisted U.S. because at times, we didn’t know where Guyana was headed… it always related to his thoughts on the old people and the children – their future. – It had nothing to do with going down in history at all. There is very little of it anymore…
28. visitors come thru daily – unannounced. Untrue that performances required… how would we possibly instruct so many people how to behave. Work not shortened – never changed when visitors came, musicand dance, food, all the same… no change. Video etc. daily.
29. don’t know how she would know about that at all because she was always isolated from the rest. Not interested in talking about principles etc. – not true, exception, talk of death – the need to be prepared. There was no more joy that at a childbirth… the joy of life is celebrated. The mass suicide talked about on 1 occasion – in reference to U.S. – as remote possibility… the concept was discussed yrs. ago at d.S… in light of Huey [Newton] etc.// Also discussed at Jonestown but only travel to Russia or Cuba seen as a solution.the rest is balony
30. mercenary threats – emergencies… never mention of armed mercenaries to people – but we were obviously being shot at… that was real…the thought of leaving was talked about during that time. If accepted by Cuba or Russia, never 50 armed guards – not half that many and they were for the protection of the people from whoever was shooting at us from the jungle.

“White night’” happened in correlation with shots being fired at JJ, but the origin was never determined… mercenaries not mentioned. JJ centralized storage of guards etc… that was essential. No blaring sirens. the liquid – that is not true. There was roll taken of all people there. No mass meeting – just waited to see if false alam or what. It’s been months since that time… can ask the Moores what state of mind people are in since then…

32. There was discussion of prognosis of Guyana – and U.S. relations, looked like their might be a siege happening… looked like Guyana was going to be destablized. Even Mingo thought that might take place. Burnham was ill, Reid was out of the country… looked bad. Since that time – Burnham has made considerable changes in staff… more stable

Poison – that was not the word at all… was only discussed as a hypothetical as a tranquilizer for the people… It was all speceulative. Tranquiler only referred to only if USSR and Cuba said no on assistance the whole scenario did not take place that she described. Only speculative, last sentence is ridiculous. (Chronicle stated that she said the staff would do it – contradicition).

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33. Life in Jonestown= glorious, since she was in Georgetown 3 mos. (this also contradicts Chroncile) – she didn’t want to go to Georgetown because she wanted jj’s attention. Sharon thought she would be helpful there. Now JJ feels badly about it – he wondered at the time – but he went along with others suggestions that she go to work at the capital.
34. No – not true – Carolyn wouldn’t even know how to use a gun! absolutely not true.
35. she left Jonestown – no later than March (again contradiciton with what Chronicle said). not true about the spy in state embassy.
36. just engratiation herself… in fact – our members speak to member of the embassy one to one – in private – so how would we know if they told anything or not/ not threats of retaliation at all – ridiculous.

 – also that is not her signature at the end.

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Charges that Debbie Made:

1. spanking
2. spanking of seniors
3. hitting people on their nuckles
4. suicide potient dry run with punch
5. suicide over John with all the people too
6. austorcize [ostracize]people if they don’t work hard enough in the fields.
7. only eat rice
8. get vegetables or better food when guests come.
9. two rings of armed guards surround us
10. 2-300 guns
11. bazook hand made
12. we have a swat team proficient in using weapons.
13. we are paranoid – obsessed with getting traitors.