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[Editor’s notes: The transcript of the audiotape of this conversation appears here. There are several, mostly minor, variations between the two versions.
[This transcript includes minor spelling corrections.]
Sandy: “I’m glad to know that you are alright. I haven’t seen or spoken to you in two years.”
Joyce [Lund Rozynko]: “I’m just fine– I don’t know what you are talking about.”
Sandy: “Well, everytime I tried to get ahold of you– they wouldn’t let me talk to you. Because I tried– you never got any of my letters.”
Joyce: (inaudible– something about I will write to you.)
Sandy: “Well, I would rather have talked to you.”
Joyce: (inaudible) “I’m happy down here– why don’t you come down and see what it’s about?”
Sandy: “Because right now I have a very busy life of my own, but I just wanted to tell you I loved you.”
Joyce: “I am happy Sandy, I hope you are happy. (inaudible) are alright.”
Sandy: “I also wanted to tell you that I am getting married.”
Joyce: “Congratulations.”
Sandy: “Thank you, I was hoping to invite you to the wedding.”
Joyce: “I’m not coming back to America.”
Sandy: “Well, I’m going to miss you an awful lot mother. I hate to think that I’ll never see you again. You don’t sound like my mother.”
Joyce: “Well, I am.”
Sandy: “Well, can I talk to Mike [Rozynko]and Chris [Rozynko]?”
Joyce: “Chris doesn’t want to talk to you– but Mike is here– he will.”
Mike: “Hi, Sandy.”
Sandy: “Mike?”
Mike: “Yes, this is Mike, how are you Sandy?”
Sandy: “I love you Mike.”
Mike: “Much love to you also.”
Sandy: “I don’t know what you heard about me Mike, but it isn’t true. I am living a very happy life now and I like it where I am. I am doing what I want to do and I’m going to college and I’m doing great –
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– I have a good life here and it’s not what he said it’s like. I swear to you Mike– it’s different.”
Mike: “Good, but you couldn’t be as happy as I am.”
Sandy: “Well Mike, I’m really glad you are happy. But if you ever want to come back to the U.S. please tell me.”
Mike: “You people all know I am happy.”
Sandy: “Yeah Mike, I think you are. But if you ever don’t get happy, if you ever want to come back, please call me, call dad– he says he will get you a plane ticket out of there. He’ll send you through school, he’ll pay for your college education, he’ll give you a new life. We all will. We all love you. We don’t ever want to think that we will never see you again. We want to give you a chance.”
Mike: “Why don’t you (inaudible) for us, instead of connecting yourself with people who are up to so much evil?”
Sandy: “Mike, I love you. I’m not connected with anybody who is doing anything evil to the church.”
Mike: “Oh you know what I am talking about.”
Sandy: “Mike, I know what you are talking about, but whatever you think– it’s not true. I love you, I love mom, and I love Chris, and so does dad and he wants to see you happy and he wants to see you again. He doesn’t want you to stay down there forever.”
Mike: “Negative copy.”
Sandy: “Mike, whatever you heard– it isn’t true. I love you and I love Mike, I love Chris and I love mom and so does dad… He loves you and wants to see you– he doesn’t want you to stay down there forever. He doesn’t want to think that he will never see you again. He loves you. And I want to make sure that you know that. We love you. We don’t want to hurt you.”
Mike: “Well, then– quit it– ’cause I’ve seen what you have done with my own eyes.”
Sandy: “Mike, what did I do?”
Mike: “Negative copy.”
Radio operator interrupts– asks all parties to state their names and the date…
Sandy: “Mike, I want to know what I did, that you feel so bad about.”
Mike: “You know what I feel mad about– let’s not go into that now.”
Sandy: “I don’t know Mike, I don’t know what you are so mad about. Tell me.”
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Mike: “All the things you have done to hurt me and my best friends and I have seen it with my own eyes.”
Sandy: “What Mike? I assume if you can’t go into detail, then you don’t even know yourself. I guess somebody is trying to tell you, but whatever they are telling you– it isn’t true –you must believe me.”
Mike: “Hey, I have seen with my own eyes. I have no need for anybody to tell me… I have seen with my own eyes what you have done.”
Sandy: “Well Mike, I’m sure that they have told you things like we are racists etc. but we are not… Patty and Paul, remember those two interracial children? They are living with us now. Andrea is living with us now. We are not racists, Mike – we have black people living in our home. We associate with them everyday. They are our own children now– don’t you understand? We aren’t racists, we’re not fascists. We don’t believe in Germany and Hitler– like they tell you. We’re just normal people.”
Mike: “Negative copy, negative copy.”
Sandy: “Mike, I’m sure they have told you different things about us– like we are racists, or we are Nazis or something like that– but it’s not true. Patricia and Paul Pettit, they are living with us now, Andrea is living with us now. They are Deanna and Merts own children– they have adopted them. We are not racists, we are not Nazis. We don’t believe in the KKK. We are just regular people living normal lives…getting back into the swing of things–OK?”
Mike: “Listen, there is not need to debate this.. I am happy. I am living my own life– and you live your own life.”
Sandy: “Ok Mike, let me at least tell you about some things that are happening here in the U.S. so you will know what is happening. (whispering heard in the background)– she continues.. Mike, the Klan is not marching in the streets, there are no riots of blacks in the streets. Marshall Kildoff [Kilduff] is not dead. Whatever you have heard.. it’s probably a lie Ok? But life is going on in the U.S. as normal– there are no racists hanging blacks in the parks.”
Mike: “Sandy, why don’t you live your own life? I am in agriculture and I am enjoying it very much.”
Sandy: “Well, how come– why don’t you come back and you can go to college and you can do the things that I know you have always wanted to do– I know you wanted to be a doctor more than you wanted to live even. You can come back and you can continue your photography. I mean– why did you go down in the first place? You have your whole life ahead of you– you can go to college, I’m giving you the chance to do what you wanted to do and I know you can be happy doing it. I just don’t understand.”
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Mike: “I am a free moral agent and I came down here because I wanted to! I love you Sandy.”
Sandy: “I love you too Mike. But please remember, if there is ever anything you need from me, you know what to do– call me, write a letter, somehow, go to the Consulate, down there– they will help you. You know if you need me, if you need dad, if you want to leave, and they won’t let you– call me and I will send a ticket down– or I will come down myself and I will make sure that you get out. You can come up here. We have a home for you– we can get you a job, we can send you to college. I just wanted to let you know that you have an out… and we can (long pause– voices in background)… and if you need so– we can get you an emergency passport.”
Mike: “I don’t need a passport.. I have a passport. No one has a hold on me.. I am here on my own free will and I will NOT come back!”
Sandy: “Okay, Mike, remember if you need me I am here. I love you. And tell Chris I’m sorry he didn’t want to talk to me– but the same goes for him. And the same goes for mom and I love everyone of you very much. So does dad and so does everybody up here.”
Mike: “I love you too– but I just don’t like the way you try to hurt people.”
Sandy: “Okay Mike, well, I love you. Bye-bye.”
Mike: “Bye-bye.”