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Jones: The death penalty law. State after state in United States is returning the death penalty. It can apply to even children. We are in, not only a fascist United States, but a barbaric United States. It seems like it’s trying to compare it– to at– Attila the Hun. The state legislature of the liberal state of Pennsylvania has overridden Governor Milton Shapp’s veto of the capital punishment bill. He says the legislature is morally wrong. He also said that it is indeed ironic that as a society, we seek to punish a person by committing the very same act– we’re using the very same act that they do as a crime. Shapp did veto an earlier death penalty bill. That veto also was overridden, and the state Supreme Court in effect upheld the veto.

On Wall Street Journal, (Pause) the Dow Jones Industrial points was down six points.

The House of Representatives and President [Jimmy] Carter approved a civil service reform bill which needs to be reconciled only with a different Senate version. It gives much less rights to those in civil service programs.

At Camp David, where the great three are deciding the lives of millions who have no right to speak for themselves. The dictatorship of Egypt, the dictatorship of Israel, and U.S.A., the center of imperialism, meet in Camp David. A spokesman said the final stages are approaching in the deliberation of President Carter’s– Egyptian uh, uh, President, approaching in the– the– the deliberation of President Carter. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat at Israeli, a Zionist, Prime Minister [Menachem] Begin. For eight days now, they and their delegations have been conferring on ways to find peace in the Middle East. Spokesperson Jody Powell told reporters that in the last few days that discussions spoke– discussions had become–

(Knock on door)

Jones: Stand by. Stand by.

(Male voice at door; unintelligible)

Jones: I had to be interrupted for a moment. For eight days now, they and their delegations have been conferring on ways to find peace in the Middle East. Spokesman Jody Powell told reporters that in the last few days, the discussions have become more– (Pause) they have become (Pause) more serious and much more intense. He refused to discuss the subject of the talks or speculate when the conference would end. Reports say that the participants are working on a conference statement, and Powell conceded they are putting their thoughts on paper. He assured reporters that a final statement will come out of the talks.

Rhodesian police have arrested and are presently torturing more than three hundred persons in a national crackdown on the civilians who are determined to have their right to rule under the Zimbabwean Patriotic Front.

(Long pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: Moreover, I’m listening to the radio as I give it to you. Joshua Nkomo seems to be the brunt end of most of the reprisals, as hundreds of families had been taken out of their homes. Children and innocent mothers tortured. But also, a campaign has begun, now that U.S.A. has given full military backing to the fascist, murderous regime of Rhodesia, a campaign of torture is beginning also against Robert Mugabe, Marxist-Leninist fol– Marxist-Leninist followers. Joshua Nkomo, though a nationalist, had been much more defiant and much more violent in his resistance, strangely enough, to the Zimbabwean or the Rhodesian false leader but, of course, Robert Mugabe, the Marxist-Leninist also joined in. So, that’s why the worst of the torture’s being reserved for Joshua Nkomo. I shall listen on now.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: Patriotic Front, even the milder party member, ZANU, are being stopped for arrest and interrogation as a dictatorship of desperation is being whipped up in Rhodesia. It seems to be U.S. policy that they’re going to try to save Rhodesia, even though ninety-seven percent of the people do not want the white, racist devil, Ian Smith, but the U.S. has poured in sophisticated tanks and jets and other high-powered technological warfare equipment. Apparently, as we’ve said earlier, U.S.A. economy is so bad off, it cannot afford to lose those important elements there, chrome and other things that they have to have, so they’re prepared to kill a whole nation to save the resources for the rich. Some place, though, this is going to bring nuclear World War III. People are not going to take this.

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Jones: Thousands of troops have been poured in from the Soviet Union, and literally thousands of– of tanks and artillery, as another push has begun by the U.S. imperialist and her NATO lackeys to try to invade Ethiopia. The Soviets have thus far been able to push them back, and there is no danger. There were at least seen in the marching eighteen thousand Cubans, as they marched through Addis Ababa, as the crowds cheered and hailed the heroes of Africa, the Soviet Union and Cuba. U.S.A. certainly must think she’s got something going for her to start aggression on so many fon– fronts. I’ll listen a little longer, and then I’ll give you more news.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: Cubans will be brought in to the Ethiopian situation.

Nicaragua makes claims under [Anastasio] Somoza after receiving more backing from U.S. military hardware, that they have the nation under control. But according to BBC, three of the major cities of the northwest are absolutely in the control of the people, and Somoza does not have any control in that area at all. So it is a virtual civil war.

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Jones: (Unintelligible fragment) throughout Latin and Central America over Somoza with their advanced military equipment, moving in to Costa Rica, (clears throat) their bordering nation, because of the mountainous re– region giving them protection so that they can move in and bomb the innocent people and populace, the peasantry, and there’s been even a necessary protest brought from Washington, but it’s hypocritical in that Washington supplied Somoza. It was a Marine invasion, U.S. Marine in– invasion that allowed Somoza to be in power, and his corrupt family has been supported all these years by U.S. monopoly capitalism.

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Jones: (Unintelligible fragment) general strike in Lebanon by the right wing Christian fascists, because they’re losing ground. They say the Syrians are going to eliminate the Christian influence in Lebanon. Would it be that they could? Because always Christianity in Lebanon has been on the side of the most murderous dictatorships. After all, Syria is in Lebanon by appointment by the United Nations for no other reason than keeping peace.

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Jones: Goes on in Muslim sections which are mostly socialist, but all Christian sectors are absolutely quiet. People are staying inside in this general strike, refusing to go to work, refusing to be on the streets or in any way drive or inhabit any of the public facilities in the Christian sector. It’s a waste of time, because Christianity is in the minority in– of the followers of the Phalangists which are fascist. The Christians in Lebanon are the minority. The Muslims are the vast majority. So, it’s only a matter of time until Christianity is put in its rightful place in Lebanon.

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Jones: (Unintelligible fragment) have been arrested. Moderates, left, centrist. Parliament is been in a 24-hour emergency session as to try to figure out how to resolve the disputes that are almost growing to a civil war proportion. Leading dignitaries, even in [Reza Pahlavi] the Shah of Iran’s government. Those who have walked side-by-side with him in power are now arrested. It seems he has gone into a paranoia that causes him not to even trust his own members– uh, members of his own family. As we’ve always said, as we tried to tell this ex-conspirator [Joe Mazor] that was here, there’s no safety in capitalism because, finally, one capitalist will have to be on top of the other capitalist and destroy them. We shall continue with more news as I listen.

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Jones: Of the British B– BBC, says that Tehran is trying to keep the foreign press from realizing that they have upwards of a hundred thousand people under arrest and torture at this moment. The BBC spokesperson said they could not see how it would be possible for a government to maintain its administration when all of its populace is opposed to it.

There’s an outbreak of cholera all through India where the monsoon rains, brought about again by our tax dollars, geophysical warfare, it’s caused the one year that India had the greatest harvest, now they’re having the worst floods they’ve ever known, plus, the worst locust plagues all across India and Africa. Cholera. Horrible killer. Uh– No way to control it. Ravages disease– ravages city after city ,has broken out in that great subcontinent of India.

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Jones: Uh– Deaths have occurred in West Bengal, but this time it is hard to estimate what plague proportions it will reach. It could reach to a million deaths by cholera. Cholera is an uncontrollable scourge.

I– Idi– Idi Amin, president of Uganda has called Mobutu Sese Seko to Uganda, and they’ve had a pleasant gathering, pleasant treaty-making, and they ended up with a very good commercial arrangement. Idi Amin, as you know, is the one that said recently the Cubans were the true heroes of Africa. It looks like Zaire, much to the disappointment of U.S.A. imperialism, is safely in the left-wing camp.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: The president, (stumbles over name), Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire has been to Kenya, working out accords and arrangements with the new government which they feel will be more pro-African, Organization of African Unity States than was the prior government of [Jomo] Kenyatta.

The leading anti-apartheid organization of South Africa had just been banned from having any Africans enter their buildings. All blacks are blocked from going in that block in which their central headquarters, even though it is a section that has been known as colored, they are fearing, I guess, the resistance, and so all blacks are denied access to that headquarters.

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Jones: – to Africa, that it was because white people were being incensed by the odor of the black people that it also was a building where white people had some offices, and so they uh, claim that they couldn’t endure the odor of the black or the colored or the Indian or the Asians.

Fifteen congressmen of the United States have made a petition to South Africa, begging them – they oughtn’t to beg them, they ought to damn well force them to do it – to give them their land where they’re in reservations, concentration camps out of Cape Town.

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Jones: A new move of Africa’s fascism. They are going to detonate and demolish these camps. There are several of them involving a population of nearly one hundred and fifty thousand blacks in an act of reprisal for blacks’ resistance to the oppressive Union of South African regime. They are due to be blown to pieces, demolished by the end of the day. That’s why the fifteen black congressmen and you know, of course, who they were, black, with exception of [Sen. James] Abourezk and probably [Sen. George] McGovern. It was the Black Caucus that resisted it. Their homes, their villages, their clothes, their lands, all will be destroyed today, unless world opinion does something about it.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: And force people who are of light skin black, away from their husbands and their children, and put them in police vans, taking them off to another work colony, concentration camp. They’re getting stricter now in separating the people of color, trying to divide the force of black unity by making differentiations that can hardly be perceptible to the eye, of the color of the skin. Shouts of screams in terror went through the night as this act of terrorism went on.

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Jones: House hearings today on the congressman [likely Rep. Otto Passman (D-LA)] who had taken corruption, bribes from the fascist regime of South Korea, dictatorship that U.S.A. imposed when there’s only one legitimate government, the Democratic People’s Republic of North Re– North Korea, who has been very, very friendly to us, but it was, even Paul Harvey said, strangely enough, “Postpone.” Of course, white man’s white collar crimes will always be postponed. Such is the nature of the beast of fascism. (Voice rises) That’s why we should take pride in our land and build it and work it, because this government is standing up, and even this conspirator [Joe Mazor] who came, said that Guyana was the brunt of the conspiracy of the CIA. And it’s a– Quite a conspiracy it was. They were out there during those days and we were setting with our hammer– with our sickles. They had mortar. They had mortar rockets, ready to blow our radio room out of existence and to blow the generators away. That would’ve killed many of our people. Fortunately, that’s been stopped now, and Guyana has taken steps, and we took this man’s tapes and are turning them over to the government. That’s how vicious [Tim] Stoen was. That’s how vicious your relatives were, that you think are so good and so noble. They plan to continue to fire rockets, after our lights were off, into our camps and cause confusion. And didn’t make any difference how many they got back. If they got some killed, okay. They just wanted to show that they could overcome Jonestown because it represented a threat. A group of socialists that had been able to achieve victory in getting away from fascist U.S.A. It’s on tape. You don’t have to take my word. The man talked about how close – it was damn close – that we came to having our– hundreds perhaps before it was over with– blown up with rockets.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: In uh– in Germany, uh, there’s such interesting news U.S. capitalism has to offer. Said that he got his pension, the first pension check. He went to a stripper’s apartment, and he died before he even got his clothes off, proving, I guess, that the man didn’t have what it took to keep up with the stripper, but such damned news is hardly worth me repeating.

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Jones: (unintelligible fragment) in Wisconsin, who’s taken opposition to the church and its holding of wealth while there’s great and dire suffering, has announced that he will become an Anglican priest. Of course, the Anglican church was founded by King Henry VIII– King Henry VIII because he wanted to get rid of his wife, as you saw, which he finally did by beheading her. So, all religion is founded in vomit, but he is joining the Anglican church and getting married because he can no longer prove– approve of the way the Catholic Church waste the people’s money.

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Jones: –says the most leading news broadcast on U.S.A. is Paul Harvey news, and that alone shows how sick the goddamn country is, because he’s insipid. He’s talking about two old couples and raising their roses and ignoring the rest of the world’s poverty and talking about fun shit while everybody else is suffering. If he’s more popular than any radio news story, the hell with it. It’s nothing.

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Jones: –fun of some black man whose trailer was broke– broken into and three of his underwear were stolen.

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Jones: –roadside bushes to escape the sheriff, because supposedly the shorts did not belong to the black man. That’s tremendous news. I’m s– I’m sorry to even wait on it, but I thought maybe there might be something of interest to you after this.

[Editor’s note: During the next two minutes of tape, Jones paused ever few seconds to listen to a newscast which runs indistinctly in the background. The pauses alone are noted.]

Jones: –bankrupt. It went to the International Monetary Fund. Took out a forty-four-million-dollar loan– (Pause)

[Michael] Man– Manley’s devalued the country by thirty percent. (Pause) He’s raised interest rates, taxes, (Pause) and a tight control on wage increases. (Pause) Jobs are few and no, uh, uh– no jobs for the– the– the colored workers. (Pause) It’s hard for the poor to make it in Jamaica. (Pause) They make no more than $24 a week. (Pause) To get a decent food, you must pay $30 a week, so that means that he doesn’t even eat decently, according to this report. (Pause) Many of the middle class are leaving Jamaica to get a better (Pause) standard of living. (Pause) Michael Manley and Jamaica are caught up in the problems of the world economy. (Pause) There is no unrest against Manley, in spite of the austerity and the efforts of the International Monetary Fund to break– bring down his government. The people seem to be behind him. (Pause) He said it’s nothing like the problems of Rhodesia, where Ian Smith cannot even be maintained in power, except by U.S. firepower. (Pause)

I’ll give you some more news. As you know, just three months ago, it would have been (Pause) inconceivable, but last week, Angola’s Marxist president Agostinho Neto was in Kinshasa, Zaire, embracing his archenemy, pro-Western president, Mobutu Sese Seko during a three-day trip. Neto sailed on Mobutu’s yacht along the Zaire river, attending a state dinner and signed a joint communique, establishing a Zaire-Angola border control commission to try to prevent any further (pause) or future outbreaks of border control problems, and– and anything that could lead to possible war between the two. Neto and Mobutu also pledged to seek economic cooperation between their ideologically-oppressed– or opposed nations. Earlier it was announced that Angola’s Benguela Railway would resume transporting Zairian copper (Pause) to other exports in– to the Atlantic Ocean port of Lohito [Lobito]. The sudden dramatic reconciliation move received scant notice in the U.S. press, in contrast to the deluge of reports last May, when the Angolan-based Zairian rebels attacked their home provinces of Shaba. Despite the lack of publicity, the Angolan-Zaire rapprochement could have more lasting political significance than the Shaba II conflict. Mobutu, in serious economic and political trouble, hopes it may avert Shaba the III. Neto hopes it will bring peace to Angola for the first time since independence three years ago, and the Western powers would like it to be a part of a larger pattern of negotiated settlements to the wars in Namibia and Rhodesia, or what we would probably call Zimbabwe. The Carter administration released twenty-six dolla– million dollars in food and military aid to Zaire to show its approval of the easing of border tensions as well as Mobutu’s acceptance of a seven-member team from the International Monetary Fund to run Zaire’s central bank. U.S. officials told The Washington Post August 16, they did not rule out some material aid to Angola if the rapprochement with Zaire continues.

While Neto and his seventy-nine– or ninety-seven-member Angolan delegation were negotiating in Zaire, a forty-seven-member United Nations team was surveying the scene in South Africa-occupied Namibia, where Angola has played a key role in urging the leftist Southwest African People’s Organization, SWAPO’s guerillas to accept a Western-devised, U.N.-sponsored settlement plan. Led by the newly-appointed special U.N. representative for Namibia, Finnish diplomat Marti Ash– Ahtisaari and Aug– Austrian Major General Hannis Phillip [phonetic], the United Nation avant-garde was laying the groundwork for the proposed intervention of five thousand U.N. peace keeping, so-called, troops and one thousand civilian advisors. The large U.N. contingency would o– would have overseen elections. The withdrawal of the estimated twenty-thousand South African fascist troops, SWAPO, puts the number at closer to fifty-thousand and Namib– Namibia– Namibia’s transition to independence and majority rule by a December 31 target date or early next year. Under the United Nation plan, (Pause) Ahtisaari– General uh, Ahtisaari would share power with the South African Administrator General in Namibia, Judge Marthenius Stern [phonetic]. Soviet Union has always objected to this peace-keeping concept because they feel that it will not be carried out and it will give the white racist government of South Africa undue influence and uh, will not be fair at all to the Namibian people. But time will tell. Time will tell.

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Jones: I’m trying to find here something else that was uh, written down. I don’t see the number. I thought I had it on page eight, but I can’t seem to find where I placed it. I made a note, “page eight” of a continued dialogue about– (shuffling papers)

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Jones: (unintelligible fragment) find it. But the– both the Angolan-Zaire reconciliation attempt and the U.N. scenario for Namibia, approved by the Security Council July 27, are still only fragile diplomatic initiatives which could easily shatter. South Africa remains very reluctant to allow U.N.-supervised elections in Namibia.

By the way, we have [Mark Lane] the famous author of Rush to Judgment and others– other books that he wrote. Too numerous to mention. He’ll be coming end of a day. And we have the family of uh, Walter Duncan’s and a whole host of people coming. We’ve got to keep producing though. We must release as many people as possible to do everything we can, analyst in agriculture. I’ve got to feel that we are producing and making some money, so that our people would never, never be threatened with the horror of having to look back towards U.S.A. We have the goods here. We have the food. We could learn to fish. We could learn to hunt, but let us do our best in agriculture, cleaning up areas about us now, keeping them in good order, everything in good shape, because we will have guests tomorrow. This very powerful author, who is interested in doing the movie and book on us.

South Africa, as I said, remains very reluctant to allow U.N. uh– supervised elections in Namibia, which SWAPO is widely expected to win. Even a recent survey by Namibian (Pause) specialist Andre du Pisani at the University of South Africa indicates that SWAPO has the support of forty-two to fifty-two percent of the estimated four hundred and forty thousand potential voters. And SWAPO, which has continued and continually its lowest– low-level gueri– guerilla warfare, says that its acceptance of the U.N. plan as a working (Pause) arrangement, is null and void if South Africa insists on maintaining control over Walvis Bay, Namibia’s only deep water port along fourteen hundred miles of Atlantic coastline.

Similarly, much hostility and distrust remain between Zaire and Angola. U.S.A. officials acknowledge that their– that Neto, prime minister of Marxist Angola, is fulfilling his little published promise– pub– little publicized promise to disarm the Shaba rebels who have returned to Angola, and that the Angolans have moved the estimated two hundred and fifty thousand Zairian refugees into new cities, farther away from the Zaire border. But it remains– it remains to be seen, whether Mobutu, dictator of Zaire, will actually carry out his part of the bargain by cutting off all aid to the brother-in-law– to his brother-in-law, Holden Roberto, who is a fascist, who was supported by U.S.A., CIA and China in the war of liberation in Angola, who heads the remnants of the pro-Western Angolan rebel group, FNLA, or to Jonas Savimbi, leader of the FNLA’s one-time ally, UNITA, both right wing. If there is a genuine peace established between Zaire and Angola, and if South Africa, under pressure from the West, gives in and complies with United Nations in Namibia, including the Security Council resolution to reintegrate Walvis Bay with the rest of the c– with the territory, this would represent a major shift in the policies– politics of southern Africa. With a less hostile Zaire on its m– northern border and a SWAPO-ruled Namibia on its southern frontier, Angola would have had a chance to rebuild its war-gutted economy, and Cuba– free Cuba has said that when foreign support for the anti-Neto rebels ends, the estimated twenty-thousand socialist Cuban troops will start to go home.

Why did the various parties go along at each other’s threats [throats], decide to go so far as they have in seeking negotiated settlements.

Zaire: Mobutu did not have much choice in the matter. Washington took a surprisingly tough stand during a meeting of concerned Western nations in Paris and Brussels in June, insisting on improved relations with Angola as one of the three conditions of any U.S. emergency aid to Zaire. They were not able to stand another war. (Pause) The Washington Post reported August 16 that President Carter backed up that stand with a personal letter to Mobmu– Mobutu Sese Seko, and other Western leaders did the same. The other conditions: improve the human rights situation in Zaire, curb competition and accept Western administration of the economy, as Mobutu had one of the most brutal governments in Africa. With Belgians back in Zaire’s finance ministry, and the International Monetary Fund team ensconced in the central bank, the U.S. and other Western powers were already– had already sent Za– Zaire one hundred million dollars to meet short term commi– commitments, and Mobutu is counting on receiving two hundred and eighteen million dollars more soon, but the country’s general economic condition is still disastrous. Three billion debt, seventy percent inflation, and creditors are– are possessing even Air Zaire’s Boeing 747’s. With all the important copper and cobalt mines in Shaba still operating at only fifty percent of capacity due to the fighting last May, Mobutu could not afford another– a– another rebellion, and he needs Angola’s Benguela Railway as a quick outlet to the sea in order to make the profits that he wants, which U.S.A. did not want him to get as much of a margin as he is now getting. As a result, he was compelled to seek an agreement with Neto.

Angola: Angola needs peace. Cuban leader Fidel Castro told two visiting U.S. congressional representatives in Havana last month, Angola has never had a day of peace since independence, November 11, 1975. Attacked by South Africa as recently as last May 4, Angola has had to face tenacious South African-backed UNITA fascist rebels and other forces, as well as worrying about renewed CIA operations. Peace or détente with Zaire would give Neto’s government some badly-needed breathing room. Also, Agostinho Neto, Marxist leader of Angola, is seeking closer ties with the West, including Washington, if the U.S. will resign itself to the presence of Cuban troops and civilians in Angola for some years in order to lessen his dependence on the Soviet Union.

The light went out so I have a little difficulty here in giving you the news. We’ll stand by for a moment. (Pause) I will attempt to see what I can see in the dark.

Angola needs peace, as I said. It needs it badly. It’s been under constant besiegement by the CIA, by UNITA, fascist rebel elements in their own country. Also, Neto is uh, seeking closer ties with the West, including Washington, if the United States will resign itself to having to accept the fact that Angola’s going to keep Cuban soldiers and civilians in Angola for some years in order to lessen his dependency on the Soviet Union. Neto has stake– shake– st– uh, has staked his political career on a stubborn commitment to the policies of non-alignment, multiracialism, and socialism. Angola expects [expert] Professor Gerald Bender of UC-San Diego, told the House Subcommittee on Africa recently, South Africa, faced with mounting international pressure, an explosive domestic situation, and a slowly escalating guerilla war in Namibia. The apartheid regime made a decision several years ago, to withdraw formally from the territory, intending to turn over the administration to a suitably acquiescent group of local whites and blacks known as the Democratic Turnhalle Alliance. The West, however, rejected that option, saying a settlement without SWAPO would never work. South Africa strategy now seems to be to drag out the transition process as long as it can and to cling to Walvis Bay as a bargaining chip with the new Namibian government.

SWAPO: Unlike many liberation movements, SWAPO has always enjoyed strong U.N. support, and a majority following among Nam– Namibia’s one million people. SWAPO, however, has never had a very strong guerilla force, nothing to match the South African well-prepared, well-supplied by U.S. fascist forces, especially have they had the ability to deal with– uh, to resist like Angola had, who had been so assisted by Cuba and the Soviet Union. By the way, Angola has to not give as much open support to the Soviet Union because U.S.A. is uptight over the subject of the Soviets being in Africa, and uh, they are more tolerant of the Cubans, and so they’re trying to make some face-saving to keep U.S.A. from plunging the world into nuclear World War III. Anyway, Angola and Tanzania have reportedly told SWAPO leader, Sam Nujoma, that the U.N. plan is strictly enforced– if strictly enforced, is a good opportunity for SWAPO to take power with a minimum of bloodshed. The economic stakes in the battle of Namibia are high. The British-owned Rio Tinto Zinc Limited Rossings uranium mine is the largest in the entire world, and Harry Oppenheimer’s De Beers Limited garnered twenty-two percent of the seven hundred and sixteen million profits last year from the diamonds in Namibia. Harry Oppenheimer was one of those lovely people who made, uh, the nuclear bomb. [Mistaken reference to Robert Oppenheimer]

We’re trying to look at China, if we can, uh, just for a moment, to see what China’s thinking is. It’s hard to really follow what China is trying to say, what’s she’s doing, internationally. She is certainly trying to bring about a nuclear war in consistency with her doctrine of Three Worlds.

A delegation of National People’s Congress led by Ji Pengfei, Vice Chairman of the NPC Standing Committee on June 30, concluded a three-week friendly visit to Venezuela, Mexico and Canada. It received a warm welcome in those countries. During the delegation’s visits to the two Latin American countries, Ji Pengfei, in his speeches, pointed out– in his speeches pointed out that an international anti-hegemonist – that means anti-power state, the big power elite state – united front with the Third World as the main force, is growing in strength with each passing day. He stressed that both China and Latin America, belonging to the Third World, the Chinese people firmly support the struggle of the Latin American countries to safeguard their national independence and state s– sovereignty. He declared– he added that China would like to establish and develop friendly relations with more Latin American countries on the basis of the five principles of peaceful coexistence.

In Venezuela, President Gonzalo Barrios and Vice President Oswaldo Alvarez Paz of the National Congress, and Foreign Minister Simon Alberto Consalvi gave a banquet and then a reception separately in honor of the Chinese delegation. Speaking at the banquet, Ji Pengfei praised Venezuela and other member states of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries for using oil as a weapon in their struggle. This, he said, is a pioneer undertaking of the developing countries in their fight against imperialism and hegemonism. Of course, there, China was taking a position directly and diametrically opposed to the United States, because United States don’t like for the OPEC nations to use oil, uh, to bargain with. And, he said – the Chinese representative – has opened up a road for Third World to effectively combat super-power bullying and exploitation. [Venezuelan] President Carlos Andres Perez received Ji Pengfei.

In Mexico, five chairman– Vice Chairman Ji Pengfei attended a meeting in permanent– the permanent commission of the se–congress of Mexico. Addressing the meeting on invitation, he congratulated the Mexican people on their achievement in safeguarding their national independence and the state sovereignty, defending and utilizing their national resources, developing their national economy, and building up their country. Ji Pengfei met with Jo– Joachin Gamboa Pasquoe, President of the Gr– Grand Commission of the Chamber of Senators. Rudolfo Gonzalez Guevera, President of the Grand Commission of the Chamber of Deputies and Secretary of Foreign Affairs, Santiago Royal Garcia. President Jose Lopez Portillo received the Chinese delegation.

In Canada, Vice Chairman Ji first visited the city of Vancouver on the western coast. In his toast to the banquet given by the governor of British Columbia, Canada, in honor of the Chinese delegation, Canadian government leader in the senate Raymond Perrault said, on behalf of the parliament and government, Canadians of Chinese descent have made an enormous contribution to the development of our province and our nation from the very early days. Ji Pengfei, in his reply, said that there are good prospects for the development of relations between Canada and the People’s Republic of China.

In Ottawa, Speaker of the Canadian Senate, Renaude Lapointe, and Speaker of the House of Commons, James Jerome, gave a banquet in honor of the Chinese People’s Republic delegation. Speaking at the banquet, Ji Pengfei said Canada shows concern about world peace and security, and attaches importance to strengthening its unity with other Second World countries and developing relations with Third World countries, and it has played a positive role in international affairs. Canadian Governor General Jules Lig– Leger, Prime Minister [Pierre] Trudeau, and Secretary of State at– for External Affairs Donald C. Jamieson met with Ji Pengfei on separate occasions.

In the news – this will be the closing of Chinese news – Premier Hua Kuo-fenj on July 6 sent a message to Peter Kenilorea, Prime Minster of the Solomon Islands, warmly congratulating him on the independence of his country on July 7, and informing him of the Chinese government’s decision to recognize the Solomons– Solomon Islands. Vice Chairman of the Central Committee of the People’s Republic uh, Communist Party of China, Li Xiannian, on July 7 met with the delegation of Central Committee of the Party of Venezuelan Revolution. (Unintelligible), member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and head of the international liaison, Department of the CPC Central Committee on August 6, met with a delegation of the Central Communist– Central Community, (Pause) yes, a Central Committee of the Unified Communist Party of Italy, led by Osvaldo du Pesce – P-e-s-c-e – General secretary of the party. Evidently China’s trying to woo away Italy, its Euro-revisionist party from the Soviet Union.

I, from time to time, will try to give you some insights into the thinking of China, because as she has determined to have a nuclear war, we need to know what her thinking is and the possible [possibility] in our small way to at least c– combat it, at least be aware of it, because her doctrine of three worlds is a very, very complicated and a very real doctrine. She’s praising, here in an article, the Paraguayan Communist Party, and U.S.A. supports Paraguay, so that’s not in– that’s not consistent with U.S. doctrine. Her doctrine does not just go down a distinctly parallel U.S. line. That’s sure. But the fact that she has determined that there’s nothing that can be done about nuclear war does cause her to continue to follow actions to try to bring it– that back, bring it about as quickly as possible. (Pause)

China is compelled to terminate economic and technical aid to Vietnam. In its note of August 8, 1978 to the government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, the government of the People’s Republic of China notified the Vietnamese side with [that] the Chinese government has been compelled to make the decision of stopping its economic and technical aid to Vietnam and recalling the Chinese engineers and other technical personnel still working in Vietnam, and that this is because the Vietnamese side in disregard of the patient advice of the Chinese government, has obdurately stepped up its anti-China activities and ostracism of Chinese residents in Vietnam, seriously damaged the friendly relations between China and Vietnam, greatly hurt the fraternal feelings between the two peoples, created a foul atmosphere of vilifying and inciting antagonism against China, and destroyed the minimum conditions required for the continued stay of China ex– Chinese experts in Vietnam to carry on the aid projects.

Well, now the last I will give you of China aggression, according to the United Nation report. China’s aggressive new diplomacy. Chinese Premier and Communist Party Chairman Hua Guofeng, unpresented– unprecedented visit to Romania, Yugoslavia and Iran this month underscores a new aggressive diplomacy by Peking. That’s the capital of China. That diplomacy is aimed at continuing the Soviet Union– of it containing the Soviet Union and that it– obtaining advanced technology and trade from industrialized countries for China’s ambitious program to modernize by the end of the century. Hua touched down in the Romanian capital of Bucharest on Moscow’s western doorstep, August 16, just four days after China concluded a historical peace and friendship treaty with the Soviet Union’s powerful eastern neighbor, Japan. The treaty, concluded after six years of negotiations, in– included an anti-hegemony clause which the Soviets view as aimed at them and threatens world peace. The Soviets sharply condemned the treaty and Chairman Hua of China’s anti-Soviet statements in Eastern Europe, but the United States had quietly encouraged the Japanese to finalize the treaty and then welcome the signing of the agreement, which consolidates an informal Tokyo-Peking-Washington alignment. So actually, China and Washington are allied in a military pact, according to this U.N. report, against the Soviet Union, in northeast Asia, and the– uh, the Pacific. And the Carter administration looked with approval on Chairman Hua of China’s encouragement of Eastern European independence from Moscow, one of the parallel interests apparently discussed with Chinese leaders by National Security Advisor– Advisor, who’s known as a fascist in U.S.A., Zbigniew Brzezinski, during his visit to Peking last May.

While Hua took China’s global, anti-Soviet offensive into Moscow’s Romanian and Yugoslavian uh– in uh, Moscow’s backyard, Romania (Pause) and Yu– Yugoslavian leaders tried to use (Pause) the Hua visit to strengthen their independence from the Soviet Union without taking sides in the Chinese-Soviet dispute. Romanian President [Nicolae] Ceausescu, reportedly sought to reassure Soviet President [Leonid] Brezhnev of this when he made a hasty visit to the Soviet Union a week before Chairman Hua of China arrived, fearing that this conference could bring about nuclear war. Although Romania had followed a strongly independent foreign policy under Ceausescu, it is still a nominal member of the Warsaw Pact. Romanian officials reportedly asked the Chinese that Hua moderate his anti-Soviet remarks while in Romania. The Chinese leader made only a passing reference to hegemonism in his opening night toast and dropped the word altogether in his farewell speeches August 20. The Soviets, nevertheless, were angered at what tasks– term Hua slanderous attacks on the Soviet Union. And Brezhnev reportedly sent a sharp note of Ceau– to– to Ceausescu, Prime Minister of Romania, while Hua was still in the country. The Romanians carefully pushed Hua’s visit to the limits of Moscow’s tolerance. More than two hundred thousand people lined the route of Hua’s motorcade from the airport to Bucharest in a lavish welcome that equaled that given for Brezhnev two years earlier. The official Romanian press handled the historic significance of Hua’s visit and praised China’s role in the struggle against all forms of domination and oppression. Hua was also taken to the strategic port of Con– Constantaza [Constanta] on the Black Sea, two hundred miles across the water from the home port of the Soviet Black Sea fleet at Sevastopol. Chinese and Romanian officials signed ten agreements, mostly aimed at boosting trade and economic cooperation. China reportedly hopes to obtain from Romania heavy industrial equipment, oil drilling technology, and trucks as part of the modernization drive.

Hua and China could achieve its goal by becoming a modern industrial state by the end of the century, if nuclear war can be avoided, by relying first of all on our own forces and learning the sar– at the same time from the whole advanced experience abroad. The policy includes sending thousands of Chinese students a year to the West for technical and scientific training, including up to five thousand to the United States.

(Pause, unintelligible radio broadcast in background)

Jones: Five thousand alone. Chinese officials also reportedly hope to send some five hundred students annually to Romania. Hua’s departure for Be– Belgrade on August 21 was timed to co– uh, coincide with the tenth anniversary of the Soviet freeing of Czechoslovakia. Ceausescu refused to send any Romanian troops to Prague, although he verbally supported the 1968 Soviet liberation action. Yugoslavia, however, sharply condemned the Czechoslovakian action. Hua, able to speak more bluntly in non-aligned Yugoslavia, attacked hegemonistic forces, the Soviets, which are trying at all costs to disrupt the unity of the non-aligned movement, to divert and subordinate it to their hegemonistic objectives. President [Josip Broz] Tito, who arranged an unprecedented welcome for Hua, including some four hundred thousand cheering people in the streets of the capital to greet the Chinese leader, nevertheless reassured the Soviets in his greeting toast that the improvement of the Chinese-Yugoslav relations is not being achieved at the expense of good relations and cooperations of our two countries and our– and other states. But Tito also strongly asserted Yugoslavia’s independence and right to follow its own path of development without the composition– the imposition of any models or prescriptions. Chairman Hua of China, Prime Minister of China, uh, his visit to the two major independent European nation countries ostensibly to reciprocate for visits to Peking by Tito last year and by Ceausescu of Romania in this May, was a bold challenge to the Soviets and took the Chinese anti-Soviet global offensive to Moscow’s western flank. It was frankly especially significant since it was a first visit of a Chinese party chairman west of Moscow, uh– which Mao Tse-Tung had visited in 1949 and 1957. But it was also part of a larger Chinese containment strategy that is very dangerous to world peace. Aimed at Moscow, which has included strengthening China’s ties with Western European capitalists, the U.S., Japan and anti-Soviet Third World countries such as Iran and Zaire, though they failed to get much headway in Zai– in Iran. This new aggressive diplomacy follows major decisions to modernize the economy with the help of massive imports of Western technology. China’s pragmatic interest in its Western connections apparently have led to a mere– a more pragmatic approach to outstanding disputes such as Taiwan. The Chinese were also willing to make compromises in the negotiations with Japan on the peace treaty which quickly de– cleared the way to finalization of the agreement August 12, after nearly six years of talks that had bogged down over China’s insistence on inclusion. (Pause)

China has been making some very strange twists and turns lately, and after six years that they had been bogged down over China’s insistence on inclusion of anti-hegemony clause, the Chinese suggested compromise language on a separate article in the treaty, specifying that the accord would not interfere with either country, uh, their relations with the third countries. The Chinese also indicated that they would allow the expiration of the 1950 Chinese-Soviet treaty, which specifies Japan as an enemy. And Vice Premiere, Deng Xiaoping, gave assurances that there would not be a recurrence of conflict over the Senkaku Islands, such as that which occurred last April, creating fears in Japan of Chinese territorial ambitions. The Japanese tried to reassure the Soviets that the treaty’s anti-hegemony clause was not aimed at them by Japan, but the Soviets, who have b– been bogged down in negotiations with Japan on a similar peace treaty, were not convinced because it was shallow and hypocritical. They recalled their ambassador to Tokyo and warned that the treaty is in conflict with the interest of peace and détente, and is fraught with tremendous dangers to world peace. Japanese officials, while trying publicly to soften the impact of the treaty on Soviet-Japanese relations, nevertheless expect Moscow to take some sort of retaliatory action, as it had threatened to do before the agreement was signed. The har– the– they speculated the Soviets would take an even harder line on the issue of returning four tiny Japanese islands north of Hoka– Hokkaido held by Moscow since 1945, a key issue in the Soviet-Japanese treaty talks and on Japanese fishing rights in the Soviet Union’s territorial waters. Japanese Defense Agency officials suggested that the Soviets could deploy more sophisticated ships and aircraft in the Far East and conduct more military maneuvers near Japan. There are unconform– unconform– firmed reports from Western intelligence sources – capitalist intelligence sources – in Japan, that the Soviet Union recently has been improving the quality of their military equipment deployed along the Chinese bordered– border to pressure Peking as a Chinese-Soviet relation– uh, as Chinese-Soviet relations have deteriorated further in this year. It has been stated by neutral observers that the Soviets have brought their most powerful nuclear equipment on the border of China.

This gives you, uh, quite a breakdown of news and happenings, Chinese perspectives, Soviet perspective, and what’s happening in the world in general. Please do not forget to work your land. Please do not forget. We’re in the only place that would not be affected by nuclear war and my God, it’s in the air every m– every moment, every breath. Everybody that leaves reminds of a– reminds us of that. A– a place of peace, away from the maddening crowd, as even the conspirator who worked for the CIA said, away– a place of peace away from the maddening crowd. So, pick up things. Clean up things and look after the community graciously.

Tonight, we will have the classes called off for those that fail their classes. They will take the extra classes and then there will be a free show and usual library attention, whatever, news study, depending upon the will of the community. We will have, of course, on Friday, our socialist classes. Time also for Russian, and also on Saturday, time for Russian. We want to learn that language, and we want to keep at it. We want to do one thing real well. We can’t be hurt by doing what little we do, and we shouldn’t even shorten the classes as– as much as we do. Some people push for uh, time, but, uh, believe me, it’s worthwhile to learn that language. That language will be valuable to you. If we never went there, it will be valuable to you, because you could get jobs anywhere in the world. It is a language that is hardly known by anyone except Russians, and yet it’s one of the most powerful nations on earth, and thus the language is used in United Nations and in various cultural exchange programs. Interpreters are needed all– all over the world, and so we want to learn that language. From the depths of our soul, we are going to.

Please work hard. Supervisors, I want more reports. Observers, the same. We have too much licada– lackadaisical people who do not report to duty. I want the supervisor responsible so that the people will not be lingering around and just walking like they have nothing to do. We have a community to build to save our people, and it’s costing us highly, highly to do some of this investigative work to catch these murderers who have worked with the CIA like Stoen.

Thank you and much love.

End of tape

Tape originally posted March 2017.

Originally posted on March 13th, 2017.

Last modified on March 21st, 2017.
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