BB-2-k-3 – k-4 • Meeting with Fred Wills, 4/78

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FRED WILLS
VISITED BY:
Deborah T.
Sharon A.
Tim C. [Carter]

[Notes written by] DEBORAH TOUCHETTE
APRIL

-Wills said [Judge Aubrey] Bishop didn’t come to see him last night, said Bishop was going through a truma [trauma], giving Wills a cold shoulder before, but this time he took initiative to see Wills. Wills said he would think about it.

-Tim asked if Bishop had gone to someone else? Wills said “no”.

-Wills-He will not change unless there are new facts.

-Tim asked if the decission had been changed?

-Wills said he didn’t know, said Stanley Moore is a right winger, he speaks socialism, but hes no socialist (broadcaster & Lawyer) [illegible word] analysis of Cricket on GBC, Wills will contact him

-Wills said Moore will accompany him to see Bishop.

-said Moore is best friend of Rex McCay [Guyana attorney Rex McKay] and Rex’s friend is Bonnie Mann [Guyana Ambassador to US, Laurence “Bunny” Mann] . Said he didn’t know all of Moores views

-Wills-I’ve been thinking of what Bishop said, I believe he received material on PT here  and the Essequibo, and J.T. Clarke went to see him. I cannot prove

-J.T.Clarke sent the liturture. The basic problem is what prompted Bishop to do what he did?

-Bishop said forget the conversation, to Wills on the phone. Wills felt the key to this was J.T. Clarke. “If I’m proven wrong, don’t hold it against me”, he said.

-Wills-Somethingabout J.T. Clarke has bugged me since he seen me.

-said he was being given instructions to write the decission a certin way, he wants to salvage his conscious that someone write it.

-Wills-If Burnham told him to write, and he did tell him, it’s going to get out that he cannot take a direct order. He doesn’t want to obey the order.

-Wills would write the decission, Bishop would just sign. He would be in trouble not me.

-Sharon-It [w]ouldn’t be known?

-Wills-This has happened before and the Judge signs the decission

-none of us know what J.T. Clarke has done. Bishop made a mistake, stuck his neck out, quite apart from fatherly affection, I’ve got a whip on him now.

-The man came to me, “look man, I want you to write the decission, have it ready by Wednesday”. He got material, he blames P.T. The boys in the club saw him come, saw himask for me, told me to come over aside and permanent secretaries ect. saw this.

-If Bishop postpones his decission, theres an order of arrest for Jim Jones. Hass [Stoens’ American attorney Jeff Haas] & the Embassy, and all types of people. The point is, orders are there and Jim’s in town working around…I’ts Shabadeen’s baby, the key is Dr.Reid get a clearance of Mingo befor the man comes to town.

-Sharon-Hughs can make a noise?

-Wills-It’s possible, anyone can go to court and get the arrest order served?

-Barnwell wouldn’t do that though, he’s got the word no, Wills said, He’s done that beautifully for years. [First name illegible] Green got him on the CCW thing (Clerical & Commercial Workers Union) Ref to Barnwell.

-Willssaid Brently Benn he’s gotton money from the KGB, CIA, Nigerians and probably Tim Stoen gave him some bread (said he had done this through trickery through the years), Wills wanted us to bring articles of P.T. from Brently Benn

-(Ref. to Walter Rodney) He spoke in Antiga, he is not even allowed in Antiga now, was refused, stirs up black powerism. Walter is an intelectual socialist.

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-How does he get to the states so often, offeredto lecture at Harvard, Yale…

-you’ve got to be in a certin category to..Look at me, I’m a retired Foreign Minister. No Americans jumping at me, offering me a trip to the states.

-He told us to be in touch, he would try to contact Bishop.

-Wills said, I know what is not off, the decission is yours

-Fred said he wasn’t in a positon to say that “we are not Americans”, as the Foreign Minister (don’t know in what contex he ment this)