Writings of Tish Leroy

Undated Letter to Jim Jones from Tish Leroy

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Dad – am writing you a major memo on Gene Chaikin and others through this early period … Gene’s connection and close alliance with Deanna [Mertle] … his being the only one to know contents of my file cabinet that disappeared from his front porch during a PC meeting next door at his house within week after he found out about the contents … no one else knew what was in it … ENTIRE CABINET AND CONTENTS STOLEN … I had wanted it inside, but he hadn’t gotten it moved in … and more … but have not had time to get it all written. Maybe just be my paranoia but I’m not really inclined to think so on careful reflection … certainly there is a lot of circumstantial evidence… Do not know if time will permit finishing it before service since I’ve several things to do, but if not will stay up after service till it is completed. Will walk it in if you are still there. Or send to you via Johnny [Jones] … or Carolyn [Layton]. – Tish [Leroy]

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Undated Letter to Jim Jones from Tish Leroy

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Dear Dad:

It was so sad to hear you have been through so much grief while we were in town, and about Suzanne [Jones Cartmell] – the pain must at times be almost unendurable for you. All that we here can do is to try harder to be better socialists to make up a little for all of this.

There were many irregularities that need correcting in town, and have in mind detailed reports. Could not get to these today for having to redo the purchasing records … but will get on it first thing tomorrow…

I will propose recommendations on every issue, and it will require some time to get them corrected – saw nothing that cannot be fixed at this point.

Maria [Katsaris] mentioned the Hal Jacques commentary that he would accept a Jonestown article by me … for the Enquirer … she said she had just assigned it to Dick Tropp … only thing is that Hal would have said this with particular thought in mind about me since he has known me for many years and usually printed everything I wrote for him without any changes… He knows and likes my writing style and it has the human interest flair he likes … so this should be considered in assigning this – I would be surprised if Hal did not recognize my style, or the lack of it in an article … might be okay, but might not so thought I had best advise. He studied my writings at length before ever even contacting me the first time … the last time I saw him said he had no other psychic or astrologer with my batting average and was confident in anything I wrote him… Please advise on what you think about this.

I really think you would be safe in having Hal come into Jonestown and DO AN INTERVIEW… AND take pix of the place… He is a Jewish-Christian so to speak, though doesn’t go to church … who believes in “a” God … and is liberal and basically likes the little people of the world… He has a lot of tenderness for goodness when he sees it…

Please respond on this so that I know you have read it at least… I am doing two other articles to send Hal – he gets paid something for them and I will utilize the publicity under the Hedry Taylor name, assuming you will not want the Tish Leroy – astrologer – linked with Temple at this time ?? though am not sure on that … you have not really said.

I got letter off to Horoscope Magazine into the valley publisher, both using the Hedry Taylor name, while I was in Gtown … sent with Jean Brown … am doing some other articles. Would like to bring in some money for the cause since you said it was there thru my writings of astro material … a tremendous line of it, you said … by revelation last December…

Love, Tish

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Memo to Jim Jones from Tish Leroy, September 1978

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10 September 78

Dear Jim:

I don’t know how important this will be, but on recollecting events this morning about TOS [Timothy Stoen], I was recalling that Grace [Stoen] and I signed on the PT payroll account.

We did a lot of changes at one point on accounts and you put me on that signatory on all accounts but Eva’s [Pugh]. This took place outside your parsonage in [Redwood] Valley in late summer time – just after someone had left, don’t recall who, but I was so touched by the trust that I push myself terribly hard through that period.

On 15 March 76 I came to LA after Jane left in Feb.… Not long after that you and Tim Stoen took an air trip to East Coast… and Mike Cartmell took a special course in Wash. on investigative techniques… On this trip or at this time Tim met someone with contacts to give “us” information from CIA files on all of our people if we could give him the names and birth dates of them all … and unfortunately, I was most efficient… I did collect them and turned them over. I recall later in SF…

In the upstairs, 3rd floor hall in SF… I encountered you en route downstairs to your apartment; I stopped you and told you why I thought Tim Stoen was “at the time” a CIA Agent… and you told me he had done something on the trip you have just returned from that assured you he was not an agent… I don’t know on retrospect if you referred to the Roseberg incident or something else because I have no recollection of a time-tied to Roseberg, though it somehow seems to have been earlier while I was still in the valley… I recall the trip to LA where I had the feeling you hadf returned to the buses during the night en route or some such…

At the time I told you I thought also that Terri Buford might be an agent and reminded you of what I had early reported of the time when she first came to the SF Temple, when one Sunday we had first gotten up and someone spoke and it awakened Terri who sprang to her feet – silent, frightened and looking about as though not knowing her whereabouts and as though she had something to hide… I understand she had come from some very peculiar circumstances – but it had seemed almost as if she was trained to silence… Who assured me I could not be more wrong on both. Thereafter I trusted Tim in spite of my reservations because you had said to. I feel terrible guilt about still holding my feelings that Terri might be an agent, though I personally like her very very much and wish I could dismiss my apprehensions which just don’t go away…

I also told you at the time you put David Wise in as LA minister that I thought both he and Don Davis were agents and at that time gave you my logic for the accusation…

After you return from that trip with Tim you had changed toward me unbelievably. You had in the Valley (at the time of recording the Cudjoe with Maritime Commission) in a PC meeting with all present including Tim Stoeninstructed me to be the new PT Secretary, “Corporate Secretary” with the term you used… I was instructed to prepare a notarized resolution which I carried with me along with the papers for the boat to the Maritime Commission in SF – where you will recall on leaving I saw a former CIA agent I recognized (head of field CIA in LA when Dennis [was] there), very tall, blonde, athletic looking man I had seen 3 times before –) and as I exited the rotating door, a man parked at the front of the bldg raised his camera and snapped my picture, and the man at the wheel probably drove off… They knew I was coming and certainly have it well recorded as I reported to you at the time. [Maxine] Swaney was the retiring secretary and you wanted her off anyway so I was the choice you made! (I was later to hear you deny ever having made the appointment… as I mention later in its proper time sequence…)

My first intense knowledge of your change of attitude toward me came when we had to change bank accounts when Grace left… Because of your previous wish that I be on “all” accounts, and not having realized your change of heart, I included my name on the list of the accounts I was already signing on… I recall your facial expression: you were obviously upset with me and thought me presumptuous apparently and you said that you had never ordered any person to be on more than one account but Eva… and at the time Maria [Katsaris] was on several I knew of… I never contradicted you on these things because I was of the opinion that you already knew the real facts that were staging as I have seen you do in so many instances when you think other than a factual presentation will better serve the cause, which is okay…

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At the time you voiced your antagonism over including my names on the various accounts… etc. … indicating much distrust of me to the entire planning commission and you stated that Maria, Buford, and Carolyn [Layton] and Eva were the only ones you really trusted in money matters and the others could take it or leave it but that was your gut feeling… A physical slap in the face could not have made a deeper mark… it was very hard to work for a while, but I persisted.

Thereafter others attitudes towards me changed – Tim, and you and Gene [Chaikin] began having private meetings upstairs… I was called into one of them where you said, in what at the time I immediately concluded was a staged performance for my benefit (a pattern I had seen you do many times before for others benefit…): you said something to the effect that “no one but Eva had ever been secretary or treasurer and that all other names should be off the record and should never have been included…” I was betrayed and stripped of all trust and was torn between silence which would have resulted in your leaving me entirely off the records and set someone up for perjury charges should [the] issue ever arise … because of the notarized affidavit in Maritime office, listing me as corporate secretary and the document with police commission in SF on the SF thrift shop Bev had on Divisadero, listing me as corporate secretary originally… later put Anita in the second year… after I had been taken off… in another PC manipulation meeting.

If ever I was going to leave the church, I would have then… I was moved to silence and treason at that point – but instead, realizing it would hurt you in the cause which I knew to be real regardless of my own personal dumping… I told Chaikin the facts and he listed me as an assistant secretary in the minutes, which in my mind was still a mistake – but is at least listing me on the records. At some point thru this time it was decided I was not to be trusted and that I would steal from you – Chaikin was always making pointed statements to me that “at least Maria would not steal, though she didn’t know much and mistakes had cost the church a fortune…” If he said once he said it fifty times to the point I was positive something of this sort have been said about me… When in fact the only goof I made in money was in messing up the petty cash account where it was off a few dollars and I put my allowance in for 6 months to be sure it was triple covered [Marginal note added: “& I wrote you about it – which was perhaps a mistake –”] … I feel so badly to have goofed in this trust. Truly with my knowledge of banking, bookkeeping, etc., I could have robbed a lot from you – but for what my life was here – I have never kept money when I was making it… gave most of it away… and long since gotten over the clothes-horse days of my early youth…

I thought at the time someone must have told you lies about me and wondered at the time if the CIA had not set this up fearful that Dennis might still be in touch with me, and knowing of the US plates, numbering machine and US paper enough to make $350 billion, still hidden somewhere in California by Dennis… there to this day, probably… Circumstances alone would have necessitated their following me… and trying to discredit me… I recall when I was moved out of publications and Deanna [Mertle] was moved in, telling you then I thought she was an agent and that the CIA didn’t want me in publications because apprehension over the printing presses… You thought I was being vindictive over the loss of position… just as you did when I tried to warn you of why I hadwanted Debbie [Blakey] out of accounting… when you put her in the upstairs…

Ironically, in the publications incident, I was working 16 hours a day and was ready to take in outside business – at time, day Helen chanced by, had worked until 7 AM and was asleep and just getting up at 11:30 and letting others sleep another hour and she reported us all goofing off… I have never goofed off from my very first day at PT, and don’t stop for more than few hours even when I am sick… which is rarely… I was never allowed to explain that in the PC meeting–

I recall your tapping me on the shoulder en route to that PC where I was first mutilated and stripped of all trusts and status, and you had said outside the door before entry: “Trust me.” – and I had decided to, in spite of what I then felt. And then when [the] incident came up in SF over the checking accounts – this compounded the first situation, and to this date – my image never recovered…

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But, I recovered and licked my wounds – and took up the next best thing I could do – my image became secondary… and it was hard to be effective around the disrespect this had prompted…

I recall the one meeting when Deanna later admitted having told a lot of lies on me – you were absent. AJ [Archie Ijames] had openly accused her of it, and she admitted it … that she had just rankly lied on me to get me out of her way… There was no reprisal and she got off scott free for it. That had to leave her quite confident. And she would have pulled off a lot of shit if I had not been constantly on her ass and watching her accounts.

My only reason for mentioning all of this now is that if Tim Stoen at that time came out with some “hidden” input on me causing you to think I would steal or forge checks or some such… (and believe me I am clever enough not to have to forge a check if I “wanted” to steal from you… I could have put through thousands and no one could have known because I do know how to manipulate those books!!! or I could have forged signatures and since I balanced the accounts none would ever have been able to detect it… and I am an excellent forger which I learned in my earliest law office days in a Los Angeles working for Carol Warner, Atty.) – but again, for what reason… I didn’t have to stay at PT and with my skills I can easily support myself any time and any place and am capable of living by my wits as I proved to the CIA for 8 years in spite of their war against me… certainly bearing in mind that indeed you kept me alive and my children through that time… certainly I never for a moment forget you and the total sacrifice that makes this cause possible… so while I weep inside over the mistrust, I am forced to forgive and go on because of the sacrifice I see you make daily… it no longer matters to me… I just am resolved to help where I can… when I can and accept what I’m not permitted to do…

I have never totally recuperated from the unjustified mistrust and it seemed ironic to me that I was the one entrusted with saving us from the Apostolic tax situation – in fact, I figured out that I was responsible for bringing into or saving the church between 500,000 and 750,000 dollars… at one point or another because of my efforts – so I know that my work has not been in vain and with this I know that the “recorder” in consciousness has vindicated my efforts so eventually your mind will know this is true… I don’t know at what point in time.

I don’t know the total shit stacked in your mind against me, but it has greatly reduced what I could have done for this cause organizationally, and whether or not it ever gets recognized, my efforts are an indelible part of all of the structure we have existing… [Interlinear insertion: “[illegible] two words for Bob Denton after my divorce – and”] I always wondered if Bob Denton whitelisted [blacklisted] me… He hated me because I had been his sweetheart and left him – not even for another man, but because I was having terrible nightmares [Interlinear insertion: “two people, he did things I felt were literally ‘evil’”] while I was fucking him… and I told him about it and that I had to stop… I stayed with him another 3 1/2 years but he never recuperated my leaving him… He owed me over $5000 and when [the] statute of limitations ran out for me to collect, he sued me for $1600 he said I owed him. John Frolich knew the facts and dismissed Bob as a client for this incident though Bob had been his client for over 20 years… Bob is [the] reason Dennis ended up in prison – a report he (Bob) gave Secret Service on me…

Anyway it was all a very painful period to recall… I have never been able to fight the enemy that never publicly confronted me with the charges… but apparently gave you input silently and behind my back… The wound stays open and deep because the mistrust still exists… And it long since is forgiven on my part… my own importance is very minor in the consequence of communism which must be born of this movement alone, and directly and solely attributable to you and your own sacrifice… Communism and the “mystery” of the magnificent Neptune that somehow guides it along its course is not something that history can block… I am sure it is as inevitable as the sun staying on its course… and I want desperately to do every possible thing to speed it along, and lift the burdens of this weary and pain ridden planet so that we can all get off of here the sooner…

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In spite of much personal frustration, I am happier here than I can ever remember being in all of my entire life… and I can say that with deep conviction and most sincerely. My only real grief here is the pain you endure which I feel dietary correction would greatly reduce – but because I am not medically licensed my learning in this regard is given no credence, so I give a little input here and there when I can interject it without too much rejection resulting.

I thank you most deeply and sincerely for Jonestown and for the – personal satisfactions you have allowed me… all tied in such mystery that I can never understand it all… I feel guilt for my feelings, and I worry and wonder at what is right, – that what should and should not be… but in spite of all of this the deep satisfaction of our life here is completely worth it all, and I love Jonestown, and what we have here as a family – and it makes up for everything and for every tear that has ever streaked my face, Jim: this is worth a lifetime and if we all die tomorrow, we have had more than any people ever to inhabit the earth – and it is all because of you, Jim… and I thank you for it.

In deepest love that is ridden with much guilt and wonder… I remain,
/s/ Tish
Tish

I don’t think we will abandon Jonestown – though some may go to Russia for one reason or another and I am very excited about learning the language – and if we do go, will be fine as long as we can remain a family which is very important to me… and as long as you are with us, and not restricted from doing your world work which I feel is yet to come… and which I deeply hope to be a part of … I looked at your pain last night, you were so very ill… I don’t know what to do about it but feel terrible guilt every time I see you in pain: there has to be something we all can do to alleviate this terrible burden that is upon you. But for the magnificence of your person, sweet sweet soul so lonely and singular in time… I will never know how you endure. But thank you for the communism you are birthing.

[Handwritten Russian greeting of: “To your good health, comrade…”

In deepest love,
Tish

P.S. When I don’t feel ready for a test doesn’t mean I haven’t listened – on every excellent plus I’ve gotten I have felt unprepared. I do listen & I see others listen – a lot more than the 6 who raised their hands – I remembered a lot when I started writing last night –

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Memo to Jim Jones from Tish Leroy, September 1978

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Memorandum to Dad

13 September 78 Wed. a.m.

After [Joe] Mazor and Gary [Charles Garry] left…

We went over the affidavits with Gary this morning and then I walked next door to talk to Mazor, to drop on him the “factor” of having heard from someone in the Home Affairs Ministry that they needed more funding for their border security and that it would be helpful to them to have some documented incidents…

He said that he could easily do that, then I saw he was reflecting on the “means” of doing it – “Well, I will have to see what I can do…” he said. He said he is an touchy spot with the Embassy on this, but thinks he can broach them on what he can release to us unofficially, and then we can pass it on the same way – carefully and to the right people… He will see what he can do when he gets back to Gtn.

Said he’d return in about 90 days and go over things with me… and he was sure I would be in a position to see more as I went back through the records… and of course he is correct on that… I will see a lot more… My records are very complete but don’t know how I will find them unless I somehow am granted some space… Possibly with some of the incoming lumber in next couple of months they could build another cottage out here and let accounting take it over “temporarily“… We have literallythousands of files to set up to find this stuff…

To keep the CIA or anyone else from going through my records [Inserted note: “none of it is ‘together’”] with any possible comprehension, I personally took all of my records OUT OF THE FILE FOLDERS and put each folder of stuff in opaque plastic bags without labels… So first the stuff must be put in blank folders and labeled, then sorted by department and category – because I deliberately mixed up the folders before I started filling the plastic bags… and I alone could sort out the mess. While it lay the responsibility on me alone to put it back together I figured that if something happened to me the temple would be better off if they just claimed the record were all lost in transit rather than chance someone’s trying to explain them that might tell the wrong shred of truth at the wrong time… There is one large crate of stuff [Marginal addition: “a full shipping crate”], a huge trunk and maybe 6 duffel bags of files and records to be gone through and put back into folders… this was about 10 file cabinets full of stuff in SF. The job of putting it back together is at least one month working with one other person as I instruct them what to do, folder by folder… So “if” we wanted to reconstruct, I can very likely do it… but will try later to carefully assess for you the pros and cons of this… I think we will have to do it at least to know what we can find to see if it can be used without endangering our own selves…

Sandy worked with me stateside on Apostolic, and the advantage of working with her on it was that she never really knew enough bookkeeping to know what she was doing, and I never explained the why’s of anything to her so she’d have a hard time testifying as to just what was done… certainly I totally phonied the records – but used actual figures and in all instances tied into the bank deposits and checks and cash paid out… month by month… gradually wiping out every damned cent down to a couple of hundred in net tax we owed… Fortunately I started to brag on that to Debbie [Blakey] and must have been your mind that stopped me because I shut my mouth and realized I just should not chance telling any person, and so I never even really told Sandy… she knew a little… Maria I think I told the most… but if you put evidence against Maria [Katsaris] in front of my face, I’d call it a forgery – you’d not convince me against her… Maria is one of the people here I am deeply fond of: she’s a lovely, human person. I trust Carolyn [Layton] but have some problems

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getting along with her at times. Certainly Maria and I have had problems, but I would probably forgive her anything… I recognize that as probably not good – as a socialist, but I’m aware of it.

Joe Mazor seemed to be doing it whitewash job on the CIA IMAGE and the US image with us…

After they left … and I should say when they left, it had begun raining again, and I’d forgotten in my morning stupor to bring with me my usual piece of plastic I carry… Gene [Chaikin] said he was going to wait till the rain stopped since he didn’t have a raincoat either… so I waited with him… for about 10-15 minutes (then it began occurring to me that it did not look well for his new companion, and undoubtedly she might hear of it and cause her to wonder… I don’t really think she’d worry about me, but I’m not sure of that, either… so just thought rain or no I’d better get back to my cottage right away. So many incline to jealousy and it is such a damnably painful thing for all – it was thoughtless to have stayed there to start with and I was immediately sorry when it occurred to me… Gene and I have spent too many hours alone working together, and fighting with each other – and we hedge constantly, and [I] am sure he mistrusts me as intensely as I mistrust him; and am further sure he has to hate my guts at some level since I have nailed him so hard and so many times… Certainly there is an aspect of me that hates him vigorously on one level, while I enjoy his mind at another – yet completely mistrust him. MIND IS A PHENOMENON… tt is a lonely jungle… beautiful, dangerous and you never really know what you are encountering when two minds chance to meet along life’s way until you explore and test out the minds for human qualities so often lacking.

Anyway, Gene  mentioned almost immediately that Mazor had implied that we were definitely infiltrated – I did not start this issue, he began the discussion after turning on the music tape on the player…

“But what could the infiltrator do… inform on us?” he said. (And I went along with his discussion to see where we were going…) I said, yes… “they can just set up a person outside here at the edge of jungle and hear on our loudspeaker almost every blessed thing happening in town…” He agreed, and said, Joe said in effect that “so we were infiltrated” – if we found that person, they would just send in another… that we have been infiltrated for a long time…”

We discussed the affidavits briefly and I told him to change the language… no reason for me to have to be involved with “his” job on that… he agreed. Gary wants more formal legal jargon in it, more non-essential thats and therefores and wherefores … and bullshit … so let Chaikin do that, I can but don’t inclined to bother, and told him so – he agreed.

And he was summarizing “me” at some point, I don’t recall how he wove it in – and said (as he was writing at the top of my affidavit) my age, and as he was quoting my various talents and professions he jested and added “astrologer and possible former agent…” and kept on talking knowing full well I’d never miss what he was saying – we read each other very clearly and always catch each other’s puns… Which clued me as to the groundwork that might have been laid against me in the past … and the reason for using the other ploy I mentioned in the memos of yesterday… His great weakness is that he so greatly overestimates his own intelligence… am sure it is one of mine also… a weakness, that is… but I don’t think I usually think I am smarter than everyone else – in some areas, yes… but in others I know I am not… I don’t think the thought ever occurs to Gene  that he has areas where he is not smarter than others around him.

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Yet, I noticed that some people get sick all the time… or at certain times – and I don’t think they can cross your mind without getting sick… and I do watch those that go down. I know of my own knowledge that the only times I get sick are in periods of inner rebellion… as long as I keep my head in constructive relation to you – I overcome all obstacles and my health is excellent… thanks obviously to you… However, I don’t conclude that all ill health and rebellion are due to treason or being an agent – rather, more inclined to feel they are unable to handle the stress of the structure for one or another reason; that is usually my problem when I am having problems.

In talking with Jack Beam a little later in the morning… we Mentioned some interesting conclusions on which we agreed… Jack and I…

That Mazor is obviously covering the CIA IMAGE here in Guyana; that he and Stoen “both” are soldiers of fortune… and have some things in common…

I know from Dennis that there are certain traits necessary for a successful agent: 1) that they are usually always atheistic, if any good – because in fact they can have no morals … if any good as an “agent,” that is…

2) They are dangerous to the limit of their “ethics,” and to the extent of their “humane” qualities… if the latter, they are likely to be stricken by conscience and turn on the government [Marginal note addition: “so become the fall guys –”]

3) They are all poorly paid – but have many contacts that open big money deals to them… they all rip off and whitemail [blackmail] their contacts… This keeps them in the position of going to jail for any one of a thousand offenses… and it is always kept hanging over their heads… From the start, the CIA has “something on them…” or frames them in some way… thereafter it is like the prostitute: it has been determined what they are and it then becomes a matter of dickering for price… For while a whore is a sexual prostitute, the “agent” is a human prostitute – prostituting their ethics and human dignity…  and ideals. [Marginal note: “Dennis said $1000 mo is or was then 66-71 high pay – (+ expenses”)]

The government sent in 8 CIA agents on me as astrological clients during time Dennis was in prison, and he told me that I had pegged every one of them and it had astounded them… That is not hard to do if they come to me for a reading… I recall the hair stood up on the arms of one of them when I said to him bluntly as I looked up at him from the chart and back down to it where I saw the hair literally go upright on his arms… “Hmm…” I said… “I see you’re another CIA agent… you’ve been in two years, they blackmailed you, and in another two years they’ll kill you…” He admitted to being a killer for them when I told him he was… He had been the boyfriend of one of my clients of long standing before I had never met Dennis… so it would not have been likely for me to suspect him… But there was something about him that felt so evil that my own body actually physically reacted as he came through my door… I would never read for him again. His paid job was salesman for a car agency down on Wilshire Boulevard and many large sales and commissions were “arranged” for him… He was given names of people he was to kill, and he would find them and kill them… Dennis later told me that they had been shaken with that one. Dennis had friends that told him what went on with me – not all of the agents “like” the government, but are all whitemailed so must do the bidding “apparently…”

4) The point to all of this, and the conclusion I would make being that the stealing by Stoen would be incidental… that even the stock deals could be arranged for him to make his profits…

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I don’t think he was knowledgeable enough to make his own investments: I did not find that he was terribly knowledgeable on the market… it would be more likely that he would invest in sure things… and I think Mazor’s suggestion of the South American investment in Venezuela might be very logical…

You will recall that when Carolyn ended up in jail, it was Stoen that had engineered the idea to send to her… You said on returning, you had been away and came late into the PC meeting in lower room of the SF Temple before it was reconstructed… It was very soon after we had gotten the Temple… “whose idea was this… I would have never made this selection or had her go this way…” and Tim spoke up and said it was his idea… and Later, your intuition proved correct… for she was incarcerated before she returned.

My personal conclusion is that Stoen was, and is an agent… and that he is the logical and expendable one… that there is a “logical” pattern of theft that can be pointed to… just as they used the trail-of-crime of [Lee Harvey] Oswald and the others set up in the Parallax View … for the fall guy…

So, if they have a fall guy set up – what are they planning to cover units

It is their modus operandi to set up a cover for their greater crimes…

The agent(s) in here might will be harmless … but if not convinced of your paranormal qualities… and to save their own ass or to escape if they feel our structure is too heavy and they are in fact capitalistic instead of socialistic… then I would be concerned for an attempted kidnapping and assassination…

Am not convinced that even Mazor would necessarily know he is being used… because “con artists” are just as easily conned… for every good one, a better one comes along to become their Waterloo…

Mazor’s conclusion of the “number” of Amerindians and projected numbers up to 16,000 from surrounding areas – that he threw out, and our non-rejection of his statement causing him to conclude, as he stated, that he was right… his own Achilles’ heel showing there because he bragged to us of his having just “wanted confirmation” of what he suspected… I think we should have played more heavily to his ego… though perhaps that was done… I know you usually do that to an incredible degree with all the idiots that come in here and who obviously grossly underestimate you…

So, seeing Stoen  being set up as fall guy… I am more concerned than ever about the agent that is in here… for If the person is in fact without conscience or fear of the “beyond…”  then that person will respond to the threat used on them at the time it is demanded they do it… nor would they necessarily know… Mazor said it. They could just walk down the road, meet someone from the bush and tell them or be told something and go back to their work, and no one would ever know… until they carried out their instruction… nor would they necessarily have to know if there were two of them in here… it would even be wise to give each instructions that could look relatively harmless, but combined could be deadly or a “part” of a major plan to either kill and/or kidnap… by yet a third party or a group brought in at some hour of the night externally… through a security network they could even construct… for us… with equipment they could shut on and off with her own electronic control devices!!! How ingenious they could plan it… Nor would the fool-agent have to know they were the one pulling the trigger until too late… the trigger not necessarily being literal…

Tish